An Open Letter to Gulzar

Dear Gulzar Sir, (Actually I wanted to address you as“Ji” or “Saab,” but you might…

Dear Gulzar Sir,

(Actually I wanted to address you as“Ji” or “Saab,” but you might have construed it as religious intolerance)

When I read your recent statement that “We have never witnessed this kind of religious intolerance”, even the words of the Super Secular Times of India appeared as prophetic. The Times of India had written, “Smart people have a hard time being anything but smart. But *wise* people can play the fool when necessary. Gulzar saab has often written lyrics where you can’t find much meaning, but they’re so catchy, you gotta love them!”

Super Secular Times of India had published this in the context of the lyrics of the song “Horn OK Please” from ‘Dedh Ishqiya”. But you have written other equally low-level songs like “Kiss of Love” in “Jhoom Baraabar Jhoom.”

What a degradation, Gulzar sir!  People will now find it difficult to believe that it is indeed you who had penned songs like “Tujh Se Naaraz Nahi Zindagi, Is Mod Se Jaate Hain, Khaamosh Sa Afsaana, Mera Kuch Saaman” etc.

While saying “We have never witnessed this kind of religious intolerance,”you forgot that you had directed “Macchis” where you not only justified terrorism but you had kind of concluded “in the future, there could be many more Punjabs burning and suffering for years”.

You also seem to have forgotten other kind of intolerance, like the intolerance during Emergency which didn’t allow the release of your movie“Aandhi”.

Mr Sampooran Singh Kalra, you were born in Jhelum district , and your family had to move to India after partition. I could accuse you of being prey to the ‘Stockholm syndrome’ buried deep in your psyche, which has shut your mind to the violence perpetratedby the purveyors and implementers of the two nation theory in Punjab, a  year earlier in Bengal and later in Kashmir just two decades back when you were penning romantic shayari. You probably neither remember your original name nor your place of birth or for that matter why your family shifted to India after partition. Of course, these are all mere speculations on my part just the same way as your speculation about said intolerance.

That makes us equals now, doesn’t it?

I am not sure if you forgot all of it when from Sampooran Singh you became Gulzar Deenvi (and later simply Gulzar. For the uninitiated, Gulzar is a Muslim name) or when you wrote the anthem “Nazar Main Rehte Ho” for the phony“peace” campaign (Aman ki Asha) jointly started by media houses of India and Pakistan”.

The world has seen enough violence and intolerance during the years of your dear secular party’s prolonged regimes, to which you seem to have been blind.Somehow you had managed to create an image of a conscientious citizen. It is not OK to be a sensitive poet,at the cost of being blind to sufferings of fellow brethren, or to the sensitivities of your own faith or its followers.

I am sure you have earned enough name and money that you can happily migrate to your place of birth. You will feel much better and safer there and won’t face the kind of religious intolerance you are facing currently in India. Adnan Sami, who has just taken citizenship of India, can guide you better on this.

Moreover, the Karachi Literature Festival is still waiting for you, which you gave a miss in 2013 for unknown reasons(per media reports). This time around, it may even be construed as a continuation of your current protest. Here’s my suggestion for a couplet on the Karachi Lit Fest occasion:

“Tujhse Naaraz Nahin Taliban
BJP ke Intolerance Se Hairan Hun Main”

Bon voyage.
Sandeep Singh
Your former fan

  • Sukesh Chander Sharma

    It is true .It is quite posssible to research genetic basis of leftiest seculars and Hindu basher may have some thing quite common .

  • Raj Pati Mishra

    Excellent article Mr. Singh. Hindus are always tolerant till their neck is likely to slit due to whatever circumstances and the Momins has taken it otherwise as if we are cowards.

    The rising wisdom of Hindus and their prosperity is no more getting digested by secular lobby like KhulZaR & many more. We are on right Path of our journey of Hindu Nation, Come what in the way are are ready to face and conquer the last mile of our trip.

    The great “Chanakya” Has said – The
    serpent, the king, the tiger, the stinging wasp, the small child, the
    dog owned by other people, and the fool: these seven ought not to be
    awakened from sleep.

    last two must have been taken care by us , here is the catch of all these awards and rewards return story.

  • Infinite Wisdom

    All these cockroaches will come out and there will be good housecleaning. Then we can live in peace.

  • Kartik Jadhav

    A good analysis

  • सुनीत उमट

    For the first time seeing GULZAR ‘sahab’ ( writing for the last time) playing an ‘actor’ mouthing CONgres dialogue to perfection.Might have earned huge money but he is to loose ‘fan following’ HUGELY for sure and Brand Gulzar will be seriously dented.

    Another False iCON Falls.

    Fake seculars are breaking. ‘True’ colors seen.

    GOOD FOR REAL SECULAR, STRONGER, BOLDER, BRIGHTER & SMARTER INDIA.

  • 0nlyPeace

    Extremely pained that such highly regarded people like Gulzar are playing into dirty hands of Cong leaders.

    If there is ANY country in the world that minorities should feel safe, it should be India…….more that Saudi for Christians….even USA for Mozzies.

  • Sekhars

    gulzar is a great poet and writer but he is really not a true Indian and supports propaganda for reasons he could better explain. I am no longer his fan after such a despicable view Itana hi kahoonga- “chalo der ayi durust ayi Gulzar teri haqqiqat samajh ayi”

  • Mazahir Rahim

    The answers of your boot lickers answers Gulzar. This my friend are the seeds of intolerance. As for reaching Gulzar’s heights. Forget it.

    • Jana krish

      😢😢🙀👇👎✌

  • slayer98

    as along as Hindus are majority we are labelled as intolerent. In this sedative discourse on Hindus to be tolerent again and again they (anti Hindu liberals) expect Hindus to become minority. Now we have seen that a 10% downfall of Hindus from 1947 i.e. below 80%.

  • Rangaesh Gadasalli

    His movies were banned by Indira Gandhi. Kishore kumar songs were banned by Indira Gandhi as he had refused to sing at a congress party get together. 50000 people jailed and strict censor imposed on press ad media during emergency. this is known all over India. You dont have any respect for Hindus, Sikhs and others who suffered under congress. How dare you say, intolerance has increased. plese let us know whether you are consulting a Psychiatrist. shame on you.

  • Sree Charan R

    This whole BIG drama proves one thing: the “nexus” runs much *deeper* than what we have imagined.

  • dhimmitude is nurtured Stockholm Syndrome.

  • suru

    The great Gulzar ji has closed his eyes and confidently said “We have never witnessed this kind of religious
    intolerance,”in these 18 months of rule of Mr Modi.
    During last 10 years he was awake fully and noticed that not even one religious intolerance has happened.
    Sandeep ji: You have crowned Gulzar ji with a ‘wah-wah” couplet! Kudos to you.

  • K T Thomas

    Urdu-spewing scoundrels like Gulzar are beneath my contempt. He, like the other contemptible Punjabi ex-PM Manmohan Singh, Antonia’s loo cleaner, should be sent back to where they belong: Pakistan

  • dharma

    Seeing these intellectuals, well-meaning ones, buying this ‘growing intolerance’ narrative makes me feel pained rather than angered. Agree we as Hindu, as Indian, want to appear tolerant & peaceful but at what cost? at the cost of survival? Why the onus of tolerant environment is only on Hindus? If one-way love is sick, one-way respect is unfair, why one-way tolerance is acceptable? The post-independence Hindu population in Pakistan and Bangladesh has gradually disappeared and hardly one notices, but an incident or two about Muslim death in India creates so much hue and cry! We Hindus, in desire to to appear fair and tolerant, worry more about the opinions of non-Hindus & West, and fail to notice when Hindu lives are lost.

    • BalancedCentre

      You nailed it. It is simply pathetic and outrageous that these pseudo-intellectuals have been silent all along when Hindus (and for that matter Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists} rights have been oppressed in the region for decades!!! The actions of these pseudo intellectuals really exposes them as very selfish, shallow, intolerant, non-secular, and corrupt people!!!

  • M Sharma

    Never heard of this person. I am from south India. India (Bharat Varsha) is a big country. Let the person make noise, who cares a shoot.

    • ccc

      he is a punjabi-urdu lyricist.

    • NARAYAN RAO

      Are you proud of your ignorance ?

      Are you also proud of your heritage ?

      Do you think anyone cares about your comment ? Do you yourself care ?

      • Krispy K

        Oh, the irony. Those questions apply precisely to yourself.

        Do humanity a favour and go drown yourself.

      • Infinite Wisdom

        Do you think anyone cares about your comment? I hope you are not such a moron that you do not know the irony in your asking this question.

      • BalancedCentre

        Can you prove that you are a living human being and not just some robot typing auto comments? it’s hard to believe a human could type such senseless comments…

  • chakrs

    Agreed, these are not the worst instances of religious intolerance in the world or even in India. But things are bad. An innocent man was lynched in Dadri and a union minister tried to justify it. Scientists wrote a letter of protest and another minister calls it “manufactured dissent”. I know some of these scientists. The minister was talking rubbish. We have, among other things, weakened our friends and strengthened our enemies in Pakistan and even in Kashmir. An individual’s hypocrisy is really an utterly insignificant matter.

    • K T Thomas

      Contrary to your view, things are NOT bad. The dead man in Dadri was a mere Muslim over which a Hindu-majority nation need not spend much time or tears. Would Muslim-majority Malaysia give a damn if a Tamil-speaking Hindu was lynched by Muslims in their country? Would China give a damn if a Uighur Muslim was lynched in Xingjiang province by Han Chinese Buddhists? So please save your chest-beating and wailing for a better occasion.

      • chakrs

        I am a Hindu. I don’t want my country to become a mirror image of Pakistan or Malaysia (assuming your idea of them is realistic) or China. I think most Hindus will agree with me now and in the future.

        • Krispy K

          The point that has been made over and over and over again to closed ears, is that your (and your friends’) contention that we are becoming, or will become, a “mirror image” of those countries, simply because Modi is in power and Hindus are re-asserting their confidence, is complete nonsense. Projecting the Indian situation, history and Hindu character onto what has happened in other countries and societies is an exercise in (often wilful) ignorance. Simply repeating the same false assertions, while being unashamedly selective about which incidents you highlight, is merely an implementation of the tactics being employed by anti-Modi, anti-BJP and in general anti-Hindu elements in this country with a specific political agenda. But I think you probably know this very well.

          Ironically however, as per what is no doubt your hope, the anger that such tactics arouse in the average person is far more likely to lead to a reactive atmosphere of violence and aggression, caused merely by exhaustion of patience. Then, in the best traditions of a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will scream “I told you so”.

        • K T Thomas

          If pseudo-secularists in Indian politics and media continue to do what they are doing, there is a good chance that exasperated Hindus could become at least one-tenth as aggressive as Pakistanis or Malaysians or Chinese, whether you want it to happen or not. You don’t seem to know that most Hindus are no longer willing to continue to remain Gandhian dhimmis, though they still have much to learn from Buddhists of Myanmar, Thailand etc who are aggressive and consider and treat Muslims as sworn enemies and rightly so.

        • I seriously doubt it. these are the quranic verses which muslims read everyday.

          Read these secular verses. these verses are messages of peace.

          quran (5:80)
          – “You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is
          that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased
          with them and in chastisement shall they abide.” Those Muslims who
          befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

          quran (3:28)
          – “Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than
          believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except
          by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them…”
          This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of
          benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that “believers are allowed to
          show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly.”

          From the hadith:

          sahih muslim (1:417) – Taken to mean that one’s own relatives should not be taken
          as friends if they are not Muslim.

          sahih muslim (2167) – “Allah’s Messenger said: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.”

          abu dawud (41:4815) – “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man
          follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes
          his friend.”

          abu dawud (41:4832) – The
          Messenger of Allah [said] “Do not keep company with anyone but a believer and
          do not let anyone eat your food but one who is pious.”

          sahih bukhari (59:572) – “O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your
          enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved
          in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to
          you.”

          ishaq 262 – “Some Muslims remained friends with
          the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur’an forbidding them to take Jews as friends.
          From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is
          worse”

          ishaq 252– The story of a young man who converts
          to Islam after hearing Muhammad. He then tells his own father that he can
          no longer have anything to do with him because, “I have become a Muslim and
          follow the religion of Muhammad.” (To maintain a relationship with his
          son, the father “converts” as well). This is an important
          passage because it establishes that the principle of shunning is based merely on the status of non-Muslims as unbelievers, not on their relations
          toward Muslims. In this case, the father desperately loved his son and
          meant him no harm.

          • chakrs

            I don’t have any very good answer. My guess is that most (a great majority of) Muslims don’t take such verses seriously. Those who do are extremists and a few of them become terrorists. Look at Kenan Malik’s writings on this matter.

        • K T Thomas

          The times when most Hindus would have agreed with you are long over. Today’s Indians are not worthless and traitorous Gandhians. It is futile of your to think they will continue to turn the other cheek for the barbarian to slap, as the wretched ‘father of the nation’ would have wanted all of us to do.

          • chakrs

            I am not asking anyone to turn the other cheek. All I am saying is, don’t harm innocent people. And speak the truth.

      • Krispy K

        A malicious post right here, veiled subtly but not subtle enough.

        The point is not that deaths of innocent Muslims should be ignored by the Hindu majority. It is to give equal weight to innocent deaths regardless of their religion. The hypocrisy of constantly pontificating about “secularism” while being brazenly partisan and religion-focused is unacceptable and people who do this must not be allowed to get away with it any longer. It is *THIS* behaviour that will lead to friction and violence.

        And Hindus are not Communists (are most Han Chinese *practicing* Buddhists? Nice try lumping Buddhists in with Muslims), or Christians or Muslims and our ideology doesn’t automatically compel us to violence like those cults do, and historically have. So your analogy is a false one. But Hindus are human beings too (no matter how much effort is made to dehumanise us) and can lose patience just like anyone else, even if the threshold is higher.

        • K T Thomas

          It was not a malicious post at all. I was only advising Hindus not to be overly concerned about a community of criminals and terrorists who ruled North India with an iron hand and committed unspeakable crimes against Hindus for almost 1,000 years. That is what any sane nation would do.

          • Krispy K

            Islam is one thing. The mango Muslim is another. To target individuals because of their religion is completely antithetical to the Hindu ethos, as is to shun open criticism of a fundamentally inhuman belief system because it’s deemed politically incorrect, or to not fight back forcefully against hypocrites who wail about “secularism” whilst practising the most heinous kind of religious impartiality. To revive our civilisation, we must focus on the essence of our core values without allowing ourselves to succumb to our human failings. Not that I’m claiming to be perfect – I would take great pleasure in putting the boot into self-styled secularists, like our own Chairman Narayan Mao, for whom pontification about “debate” (whilst shamelessly ignoring all of its conventions) is just a rhetorical tool to push their nefarious agenda. In fact, I have little doubt that that is what will be required to neutralise them once and for all.

            If you are genuinely not being malicious, I apologise. But to refer to murdered people as “mere Muslims” whilst comparing us to the Chinese (who are the last people we should emulate) just smacks a little of some kind of attempt at satire.

          • K T Thomas

            I referred to Muslims as ‘mere Muslims’ because it is common for Muslims all over the world to refer to non-Muslims as ‘mere kaafirs (infidels)’ with utter contempt and it would be in the fitness of things to return that compliment to this community of criminals at least occasionally. Ask any Indian expat working in the Gulf countries and they will attest to the truth in my words.

          • Krispy K

            “Terrorists and Islamists are merely symptoms, the root cause is the very ideology of Islam.”

            Well yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. We need to fight these backward ideologies, but this is done in a two-pronged fashion. Firstly, terrorists and Islamists are on the front line for Islam in a military sense, so we *need* to confront them like-for-like. Secondly, we strengthen our civilisational values domestically to revitalise our Dharmic foundations and wrest back the momentum of narrative from the West and their lackeys in India. None of this means physically attacking random people in the streets like wayward thugs, but targeting those that warrant it. So if you’ve understood my point, I don’t see any point of disagreement here.

            With regards to your analysis of Mohammed, I tend to see the advent of Western religions in terms of the degradation of humanity expected in Kaliyuga. As I’ve long said, religions like Christianity and Islam have nothing to do with God, they are materialistic systems which use the idea of God, and the innate concern people had (and still have) about the essence of their being, and what happens after death, and so on, to control people out of fear.

            “Cattle theft is a major socioeconomic problem in Uttar Pradesh and a
            complete apathy on the part of the police only serves to worsen the
            problem.”

            These things may explain why certain things happened (like I say, even Hindus can lose patience) but to my mind they highlight the need to find long-term solutions rather than short-term “fixes”. Now of course, if (for example) a bunch of Muslims are attacking a bunch of Hindus and the police do nothing, those Hindus are within their rights to do whatever it takes to defend themselves. And I think that also applies to protection of cows. I don’t know the ins and outs of what happened in Dadri so I can’t say if what happened was justified or not. But all of these things should highlight the need for longer-term solutions which strengthen our societal values, police system, justice system etc. and preclude the need for short bursts of violence.

            In short, a dysfunctional system that gives rise to unavoidable behaviour of the distasteful or uncivilised kind, should give rise to the desire to find the proper solutions that negate the need for such behaviour, rather than look for ways to justify it.

            “Only an extremely minuscule minority of Muslim population chooses to
            adopt a rational outlook (which, it seems, is dwindling by the day).”

            Nobody is claiming otherwise. I have for many years studied and contemplated the psychological, cultural and sociological impact of “religions” like Islam and Christianity on the mind, through research, direct observation and in the context of Dharmic perspectives. What I’m saying is that we must not let go of some measure of logic and rationality in how we tackle this problem. Rather than capitulate to the unfortunate reality of people lynching other people in the streets, I prefer to find the root cause and look to how it can be solved. And I think calculated, longer-term solutions that don’t rely on barbarism are are more desirable than brutal, short-term ones. For one thing, as politically incorrect as it is to say, I don’t think that cults like Islam and Christianity have any place in a civilised society that truly values diversity. How do we make sure to roll back and eliminate their presence in India whilst avoiding (or at least minimising) negative impact on the current Christian and Muslim population? I’m not sure there’s any justification for completely disregarding the people that could be affected. But at the same time we have to be absolutely determined to do it, and must not be deterred by the inevitable resistance. So it’s a very very difficult problem we shouldn’t be scared and/or too lazy to tackle.

            “The conquering army burnt villages, devastated the land, plundered
            people’s wealth, took Brahmins and children and women of all classes
            captive, flogged with thongs of raw hide, carried a moving prison with
            it, and converted the prisoners into obsequious Turks.”

            Again, this highlights that our ancestors did not adapt to the times. A barbaric army understands only barbarism, and it is my view that we should have treated them in kind. Rules should be broken when required rather than clinging to them stubbornly. But this does not mean *forgetting* those values. Our duty should be to return Dharmic values to the world, not let them go completely. Like I say, people tend to go to extremes when we should be finding the right balance.

          • Kraken

            Hey, it seems you replied to the wrong person.

            “I don’t know the ins and outs of what happened in Dadri so I can’t say if what happened was justified or not.”

            Actually, it’s not about justifying what happened but about highlighting the incidents that led to the murder and the subsequent skulduggery of the media.

            “So it’s a very very difficult problem we shouldn’t be scared and/or too lazy to tackle.”

            Indeed, it’s a very very difficult problem. This is more so with respect to Christianity than it’s in regard to Islam. Moreover, the presence of the former only serves to weaken our efforts to combat the latter. Islam does not even pass a “common-sense-test” and the numerous terrorist organizations committing atrocities on innocent Non-Muslims in the name of Allah coupled with the perpetual exercise of Muslims to shift the blame on Zionists, Oil companies, Poverty or zillion other things, makes it fairly obvious to see through the game of Jihadists and Jihadi apologists (unless one chooses to purposely keep blinkers on). Now, the problem with Christianity is the covert approach adopted by its adherents as against the overt actions of the Islamists, thereby making it very difficult for an average Hindu to even acknowledge the subversive influence of the former. For instance, I never knew that the AIT was a missionary construct until I read deeply about it. That converts to Christianity retain their Hindu name and juxtapose Christian theology with Dharmic principles (in order to decouple the natives from their traditions, which the evangelicals later co-opt into Christianity) further adds to our woes. Furthermore, the role of Christianity in the separatist movements in the North-East gets completely sidelined by the media, while an act of gang rape of an elderly nun gets immediately associated with “Hindu extremism” by the same (bigoted) so-called fourth pillar of democracy. As a consequence, what we see in our country is an unholy alliance of otherwise-enemies with the sole aim to destroy our civilization and its ethos.
            This is also done by concocting subaltern narratives (Varna becomes caste, Lord Rama becomes an “Aryan Invader”) that create fissures in our society to keep us perpetually divided. Subsequently, owing to the excellent PR machinery at the disposal of evangelicals, a figment of imagination mutates into an unquestionable fact. And such so-called “facts” are used not only by the Christian proselytizers but also by Islamists who, when pushed to the corner, bring Sanatana Dharma down to the level of Islam, thereby making it very difficult to ideologically win over the gullible “converts”. I have noticed lately that even the Christians have joined the muslims in bashing Modi.

            Another impediment is the word “secular” which was forced into the preamble by Indira Gandhi during the emergency. Can you believe that a number of Christians condemned Yoga day celebrations on the ground of secularism (by linking Yoga to religion)! It seems these people have conveniently/purposefully forgotten that muslims have a personal law board to govern the civil affairs of their community.

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/clarifying_the_hindu_view/#comment-2327777908

            Now, let me share an interesting observation somebody made on firstpost:
            “Population trends for major religious groups in India in 1951 census
            Hindus comprises 30.36 crore(84.1%) and Muslims were 3.54 crore(9.8%)

            Hindus 84.1%
            Muslim 9.8%
            Christian 2.3%
            Courtesy wikipedia

            Now in 2011
            Hindus 79.8%
            Muslims 14.2%
            Christians 2.3%

            Notice how the Christian population percentage remains the same despite massive conversion happening all over the country especially in the north east and the south!!!! there is a secret in it. most of the the backward cast hindus who convert to christianity are asked to remain Hindus on paper! And avail all the benefits of backward class Hindus!!”

            As I see it, an immediate action that ought to be taken is to set straight our narrative. Simultaneously, it’s also very important for us to become thick-skinned and learn to call a spade a spade (without resorting to violence of course).

          • Krispy K

            “Hey, it seems you replied to the wrong person.”

            Oh yes, so I did.

            BTW, we should not be afraid to use violence but only when there is no recourse. I think Hindus have not learned the lessons from the Gita. Force should in principle always be considered a last resort, but we should be prepared to use it if necessary to defend dharma. For example, the self-styled fake-“seculars” are primarily responsible for stoking and perpetuating discord in our society in order to ripen conditions for imposing their backward Marxist ideology. They aren’t reasonable or rational and they don’t care about being fair or objective, they will impose their agenda at all costs and they have shown they will never change their ways.

            They are even trying to find new techniques to feed their poison to others. Look at this cockroach Narayan Mao for example – has he shown any substance to his fake shows of being “reasonable”? No. No matter how many new methods of deception these bastards think up, the insidiousness of their agenda cannot be masked and their attempts to hide it will only go so far – which isn’t very far at all. So they stick out like a sore thumb, which is fortunate for us.

            What option do we have against such people? We can’t ignore them because they are the key driving force behind keeping tensions and friction high in India, which has a profound effect on every aspect of our civilisation and people. Ignoring them is not an option, they don’t respond to reason, and they aren’t going to slink away into the night anytime soon. So we will ultimately have little choice but to neutralise them forcefully.

          • Kraken

            Agreed on all counts. I think our immediate focus should be on those Hindus who are ignorant of what’s going on. That itself is a mammoth task. As a matter of fact, I too was an “Adarsh Liberal” before I finally woke up to the grim reality. Our first and foremost step should be spreading awareness among friends and closed ones. Once the ball starts rolling we can think of taking bigger strides.
            Regarding this cockroach Narayan Mao, I once tried to have a reasoned discourse with him, but as you rightly said, he could not show anything of substance to his fake shows of being “reasonable” and instead resorted to empty rhetoric. Such incorrigible dickheads deserve to be repaid in kind. And let me tell you you’re quite good at doing so.

          • K T Thomas

            The ‘mango Muslim’ that you so lightly referred to is actually the vanguard of the world’s most violent cult. In no country on earth is the Muslim as violent as in India. Dozens of violent/criminal incidents involving Muslims take place in India every day which go unreported in the secular media. Also, debate will never be able to neutralize secular pontificators. Violence alone impresses them which is why they exert so much to cover up Islamic crimes. As for China, it is one of the very few countries Islam hesitates to harass because Muslims know Han retribution will be swift and brutal, unlike like that of the ‘fair minded’ (translation: cowardly) Hindus. Yeah, the Chinese are indeed worth emulating.

          • Krispy K

            To combat Islamification, we fight those that actively further its cause, i.e. terrorists and Islamist politicians like the Owaisis. We embed an understanding in our future generations of the backwardness of Islam and its propensity for breeding violence and hatred. Hell, we even ban it outright! Doing something like that makes a lot of sense – but people will shut down even the notion of it before it’s considered because we have become so conditioned to never question such “religions”. As for Muslim criminals – treat them as any other criminal, even with the knowledge that their religion plays a role in their behaviour.

            But randomly attacking people because they call themselves Muslim or Christian or whatever is an exercise in indulging one’s own animal instincts. They might be completely harmless, they might have no involvement in active subversion or hate of Hindus, even if the violent, hatemongering squawks of their rabid mullah from their previous visit to the mosque, exhorting them to despise the kafirs, continues to ring in the back of their minds. They might not really even be religious. To attack people indiscriminately is not proper conduct in war, that is barbarism. Even our ancestors took care not to harm civilians during battles. Targets must be chosen properly. And if done right, we can spare future generations from being enslaved by such religions more effectively.

            The problem with human beings is that they tend to lurch from one extreme to the other. Either we do nothing/withdraw in the face of extreme provocation, leading to an emboldening of those doing the provoking (Hindus tend to do this – it’s why we are virtually second-class citizens in our own country) or there is a sudden outburst of violence and anger and widespread conflagration. Finding the balance inbetween is important. And doing so without allowing anger to blind you is also important, to satisfy justice without succumbing to animal compulsions. Not easy (I get pissed off all the time) but it’s something to aim for.

            As for emulating the Chinese – no thanks. Of all the people in the world, they perhaps have the least value for life of *any kind*. The exact opposite of what we stand for.

          • Kraken

            “To combat Islamification, we fight those that actively further its cause, i.e. terrorists and Islamist politicians like the Owaisis.”

            I beg to differ with this assertion. Terrorists and Islamists are merely symptoms, the root cause is the very ideology of Islam. The founder of Islam was undoubtedly a
            brilliant man, unfortunately though. Unlike Marx, Mao, Hitler, he hit upon the
            most effective strategy by bringing GOD (Allah) into his scheme of things. He
            fortified his God with all the powers and designed him as the only entity to rule the
            destinies of mankind in perpetuity. He positioned himself as Allah’s sole
            representative, not to be questioned, thus putting a huge lock on the minds of
            Muslims, a key for which is yet to be found. He had very successfully designed his
            strategy of directly communicating with Allah (through revelations from Angel
            Gabriel) and till this day, even highly educated people fail to see through his game, especially the so-called intellectuals in the West. Just because there is ‘God’ in his
            sociopolitical ideology, the world leaders give it the status
            of religion and try to distinguish between “fringe elements” and the
            so called “peace loving” majority and engage only in politically correct ramblings. When Islam has such powerful people to fight for it and a formidable,
            unquestionable ideology, strength of money, an army of clerics to motivate
            young people to kill and get killed, it’s not only about combating the terrorists or the Islamists, it’s
            much more than that. It’s going to be a long drawn battle of
            ideology, not of bullets. The pen, the camera and the mike have to play a vital
            role. Moroccan ex-Muslim writer Hafid Bouazza (living in Holland) said: “The ‘moderate Muslim’ is a Western invention. We don’t need ‘moderate Muslims’, we need apostates.”

            In this regard, you might wanna check out the following article:
            http://www.faithfreedom.org/should-india-give-up-kashmir/

            Regarding the Dadri incident, what happened was unfortunate, but the context matters too. Cattle theft is a major socioeconomic problem in Uttar Pradesh and a complete apathy on the part of the police only serves to worsen the problem. Read the article given below to gain a better understanding of the issue:
            http://www.rediff.com/news/column/was-the-dadri-lynching-really-about-eating-beef/20151009.htm

            Also, around the same time, a Muslim killed his 4 year old daughter for not covering her head. In another incident, a bus driver was killed by muslims for something as innocuous as blowing of horn. Are these not graver instances of intolerance than what happened at Dadri? And the fact that even the so-called educated/moderate muslims stretch the limits of their cerebral faculties purely to criticize anything and everything that Modi does, further compounds the situation. Only an extremely minuscule minority of Muslim population chooses to adopt a rational outlook (which, it seems, is dwindling by the day).

            Following FB post throws some light on how this unfortunate incident is being exploited by foreign subversive forces:
            https://www.facebook.com/sumedha.sarvadaman/posts/10153253864275678

            As regards emulating the Chinese, I fully agree with your contention that our Indian value-system is completely antithetical to theirs. Yet, at the same time, we cannot afford to be lax. Yes, even our ancestors took care not to harm civilians during battles. However, there’s a lesson here too. Let me quote a pertinent text I bumped into the other day:

            “The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilisation that “the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history”.

            India before the advent of Islamic imperialism was not exactly a zone of peace. There were plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. But in all their wars, the Hindus had observed some time-honoured conventions sanctioned by the Sastras. The Brahmins and the Bhikshus were never molested. The cows were never killed. The temples were never touched. The chastity of women was never violated. The non-combatants were never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless it was a fort. The civil population was never plundered. War booty was an unknown item in the calculations of conquerors. The martial classes who clashed, mostly in open spaces, had a code of honor. Sacrifice of honor for victory or material gain was deemed as worse than death.

            Islamic imperialism came with a different code–the Sunnah of the Prophet. It required its warriors to fall upon the helpless civil population after a decisive victory had been won on the battlefield. It required them to sack and burn down villages and towns after the defenders had died fighting or had fled. The cows, the Brahmins, and the Bhikshus invited their special attention in mass murders of non-combatants. The temples and monasteries were their special targets in an orgy of pillage and arson. Those whom they did not kill, they captured and sold as slaves. The magnitude of the booty looted even from the bodies of the dead, was a measure of the success of a military mission. And they did all this as mujahids (holy warriors) and ghazls (kafir-killers) in the service of Allah and his Last Prophet.

            Hindus found it very hard to understand the psychology of this new invader. For the first time in their history, Hindus were witnessing a scene which was described by Kanhadade Prabandha (1456 AD) in the following words:

            “The conquering army burnt villages, devastated the land, plundered people’s wealth, took Brahmins and children and women of all classes captive, flogged with thongs of raw hide, carried a moving prison with it, and converted the prisoners into obsequious Turks.”

          • NARAYAN RAO

            You are insane in your hatred and venom. I am thankful there are not too many like you in society.

          • Krispy K

            I find your post funny, considering that YOU and YOUR ILK are the main threat to Indian society, more than the likes of K T Thomas. Once your virulent brand of insidious subversion is gone, there will be even less reason for people to become frustrated and violent.

          • nairps

            You call Thomas insane simply for daring to speak the truth. There may not be too many people in India right now who dare to speak the plain truth but, unfortunately for you and fortunately for the overwhelming majority of Indians, their numbers are increasing by leaps and bounds every day, thanks to the Internet which ‘secularists’ cannot control.

        • IndiannotAmused

          That KT Thomas is a converted Christian troll.It has come here to spread disinformation and misdirect the narrative.Wendy’s backers are worried and alarmed at the power of this site.Good going IndiaFacts website and good going the readers of IndiaFacts website.

          • Krispy K

            That was what I thought too after reading that post. If he is a rice-baggy, he’s trying to be very subtle in his trolling.

          • nairps

            No, I don’t think so. What Thomas said made much sense to me at least.

      • NARAYAN RAO

        The dead man was a mere Muslim ?

        Are you even human ?

        • Krispy K

          Ask yourself that question, considering your complete disregard for Hindus and their sentiments, and your special love for anyone who isn’t Hindu. Spare us your fake holier-than-thou show of morality.

        • nairps

          A better question would be ‘Are secularists even human?’

      • IndiannotAmused

        You have an interesting name for a pro-Hindu poster.Also I am not sure that your posts are what they seem on the surface.It is more like a saboteur’s version.You are posting deliberately aggressive and inflammatory comments-EQUATING Hindus with Chinese Communist actions in Xinjiang or Malay actions in Malaysia…….without the proper context.You hope to get an avalanche of support and display that as an Internet proof of this site being rabidly fundamentalist and aggressive instead of a rightist think tank which is what it is.You are one MISCHIEVOUS CONVERTED CHRISTIAN TROLL. I request every poster and reader and the IndiaFacts editorial group to take stock of this Christian Mafia troll.

        • nairps

          Thomas did not equate Hindus with Chinese or Malays. He only advised Hindus to emulate societies that resist Muslims better than us. And I think that is good advice. As for his identity, more than being a ‘mischievous Christian troll’, it is more likely that he is one of the few Indian Christians who have done a a cultural and spiritual ‘ghar wapsi’ on their own, without changing his name or cutting himself off from his relatives.

  • Kamal

    Another phoney Bollywood intellectual trying to show his usefulness to Pakistan. Can definitely go to Pakistan to spend his last days. Won’t mind.

  • Jay

    What a ttouching love letter for parting of ways, Sandeep!

  • subodh1945

    gulzar ‘sir’ are congress closet ants , sampooran singh kalra seems to carry sword of islam

  • P. B. Josh

    These pseudo secular hypocrites are hell bent on making Narendra Modi more and more powerful. They don’t realize that unfair, uncalled for attack like “Maut Ka Saudagar” has catapulted Narendra Modi to this level.

  • Sree Charan R

    Nobody remembers Gulzar ‘sir’ as a great writer/poet anymore, sad !

  • ccc

    as more of these, wise people, come out of closet and show their true self , the more stronger my resolve to support Modi becomes.

  • DG

    I too loved songs of (& films) Aandhi, Parichay, Angoor etc. But current position of this once great writer smacks of hypocrisy & selective amnesia & betrays his deep prejudice against Hindus & BJP. Disappointed Gulzaar Saab. You found massacre of innocent sikhs in 1984 more tolerable!!!!!! Please give evidence & statistics to support your claim that prevailing situation is unprecedented. Left lib sickulars are totally frustrated. Many because their shops are closed now & other are just jumping on the bandwagon without application of mind. I strongly feel this kind of behavior will further consolidate Pro-Modi forces.

  • Yes but how many women has this Gulzar killed and eaten in his life? Far less than this whining woman-hating Hindoo author I imagine. And why are we not talking about the far more important issue of why there are bus drivers in India who are not women? This is a clear example of woman-hatred, and as a world-class horse grooming assistant I know what I’m talking about:

    http://www.carehome.co.uk/carehome.cfm/searchazref/10001045POLA

    • Singhal_abhishek

      Dr. M5 can you explain the argument further , I dont undersatnd that bus driver context here

      • Until women occupy all the positions of power in India, and woman-hating Hindoo men are all put in cages, there can never be equality.

        • Aditya Kale

          Dr. M5, I think you have a misconception or choosing only Hindu men rather than trying to open up on Muslim men and their anti-women policies, fatwas etc? You look very similar to the lady that asked a question to IMF chief Mrs Lagarde that only Hindu male will be benefited from India’s growth. Better change your name to Mrs5