The BBC and its chums stress out over Yoga

Sandwiched between these two items which were each over five minutes long, was the item about International Yoga Day.

One just can’t make this up! If moneygrubbing rip-off merchants like the trendy lowlives in Europe and the USA who make a fortune out of Yoga or even a cool hippie or Hilary Clinton were to run a Yoga Session, the illiterati at the BBC, Guardian or the Independent would be applauding it as “environmentally green, health conscious and the epitome of cool”. One only has to search “Yoga” on the Guardian’s website to learn that.

But when the elected government of one of the very few millenniaold surviving indigenous cultures and nation in the world gets its day in the sun to celebrate something that all humanity can derive benefit from, the illiberal liberals get apoplectic while they stress out over Yoga. Funny how, these days, they even beat the rival camps of proselytisers to either decry everything Indian as the very work of the devil or purloin it for the “civilized world” and package it as a gift of the master race which the natives would otherwise so presumptuously celebrate as their own. The Master Race just can’t have that

Jason BurkeIn the British press, the build up to International Yoga Day began weeks before the main event.  The Guardian, with its Hindu hating Jason Burke (at one time he described the Iraq invasion as “entirely justifiable from a humanitarian perspective”) was quick off the mark using all the wiles of the plagiaristic 14year old which seem to be the hallmark of the foreign news hack: name dropping, a sprinkling of unheard of, but dangerous non-entities like Owaisi thus creating a vacuous veneer of “research” and “respectability” best described as pretend-journalism.

The Independent went even better. The masters who snivel like dithering cowards in the face of shades of murderous monotheisms, sometimes “explaining”, making excuses for or completely sidestepping matters such as vote rigging, child sexual grooming, school takeovers, radicalization, gender segregation at political rallies, or women running off to be brides of war, feel compelled to lecture Hindus and India through editorials. The “Indi” could not have done better than to play to their gallery of pseudo-liberals since it chose IYD for its sanctimonious rant. Why, even if Mr Modi walked on water and found the answer to green energy and solved world hunger, this gang would gripe, being morbidly fixated about “Hindu fundamentalism” and the “pogrom of 2002.”

Not to be outdone, the BBC pulled out their trump cards. What better than to have a couple of natives do the “heavy lifting” of Macaulay‘s unfinished civilizing burden?

Drum roll for Naga Munchetty please! To celebrate IYD, the BBC commissioned a 30 minute TV show titled “Bend it like Britain”. What is it with some people of Indian descent in the media? They seem to lack any knowledge or empathy for the culture and traditions of their ancestors. Naga did not disappoint as the golfaddict girl from Streatham proudly showed off not just her ignorance of but her unwillingness to “connect” with the subject of Yoga, paying too much attention to the trendies paying a fortune to “do Yoga” with some hyperbolic marketers who made out the ancient, 3000 yearold Yoga to be something that they had “invented as some new whizz” hanging out at a fancy tower block in the City of London. Thankfully, the show was rescued by some authentic people who showed the deep connection between Yoga and Sanatana Dharma.

Edward StourtonDespite Naga’s mild contribution to the liberally illiberal cause of India and Hindu bashing, the good old Beeb, in keeping with their penchant to REALLY rub the noses of the heathen, pulled the ace from their pack on Radio. Not just any programme, mind you:  the devoutly serious “Sunday” programme hosted by the equally devout, catholic educated and scholar, Edward Stourton. 

For those who may not know, “Sunday” is a SERIOUS programme, being the flagship for religious broadcasting on BBC National Radio looking at current ethical and religious issues. On Sunday, 17 June, the topics covered included “altruistic evil”(yes, this is a serious matter!), the Charleston shootings, Pope Francis and the Turin Shroud, together with initiatives by some UK Muslim organizations to counter religious radicalisation and the threats from both non-violent and violent extremism.

Being subjects of gravitas, the programme sympathetically analysed and presented positive stories about Christianity and Islam.

The shroud is an “icon. How does its value diminish/remain in the modern age, its association with the historical Jesus, to understand the real Jesus, read the Bible.

Being British and Muslim is “un-contentiously normal”; “true meaning of jihad…. in a spiritual context”; Involvement and engagement … Girl Guides/Brownies;  the UK Department of Education’s roll out of statutory duties of schools in safeguarding against radicalisation.

Sandwiched between these two items which were each over five minutes long, was the item about International Yoga Day.  Let’s follow the BBC’s take on an event that millions around the world were celebrating that very morning and which many millions more use as a regular form of spiritual and physical relaxation from life’s travails.

Listen for yourselves from 16:56 min.

17:08 to 17:38 min – a brief snippet of a couple of local Kolkata residents talking about Yoga, its identity with India; its health and cultural significance.

17:38 to 17:52: Stourton wastes no time in raising the bogey of Yoga “causing concern among Muslims”, and brings in Rahul Tandon, BBC’s very own “British brown sahib” lackey now residing in India, and cuts to the chase asking “Rahul, what is Mr Modi’s political agenda?”

tandonWhat follows can most politely be described as a condescending two minute drain-take of all things Hindu and India.Why? Because it has little to do with Yoga and mostly to do with the BBC’s obsessions: Finding something to beat Hindus and India with, and combine it with a story line that has caused “offense to Muslims and some Christians”, and hey presto, you get a really heady brew.

Tandon jokingly starts by suggesting to Stourton that “I don’t know if you have done your stretches this morning”.  Tandon then proceeds to paint the ignorant nonsense conflating Surya Namaskar with praying to “the old Sun God” and how this was offensive to Muslims and that even Christians were offended because IYD falls on a Sunday.

Take a bow Tandon!  You win the prize for making the most effective contribution to insulting your ancestors’ culture over Yoga on IYD. Your ancestors would be proud of you.

As doyens of the “new Europe”, the BBC and its sisters in crime display the classical neo-colonial attitudes of the old Europe, seeing themselves as adjudicators for the world, even when they are blatantly wrong. They belie their “liberal” claims in that they toe the line by being meek in the face of aggressive and murderous ideologues but yet are happy to mock and take shots at the traditions and culture of a billion souls is because they think that these heathens both in India and elsewhere are unlikely to bite or scratch.

Why do they persist so?

Could it be that these illiberal liberals are offended by their lurid imaginations wherein they wish to but will never see millions of “minority” Indians seeking refuge sailing in rickety boats across stormy seas to escape from Mr Modi and Hindus who are allegedly forcing Yoga upon them in violation of their rights to worship the “one true god” so long as it is not Tandon’s “old Sun god” or some other Hindu one?

Might it be that these illiberal liberals are bending over backwards so much as to cause themselves to be so offended? Surely, this is not a Yogic posture!

Might they snap out of their stupor if they were to experience a Yoga “terror” attack?

Perhaps all illiberal liberals need to release their stresses by getting on the mat and doing some meditative Yoga?

Jay Jina is a UK-based third generation NRI. Besides pursuing a professional career as a European IT Director with a multinational and a part time university academic, Jay’s interests span history, current affairs, the Indian Diaspora and the history and politcs of Science.
  • Jaya

    I am curious as to how come if the British universities turn out such vile bigots who masquerade as journalists in the BBC – why is the eduction in UK regarded as education at all. Should they not be clearly regarded as a propaganda agencies that teach youngsters how to be racist, judgemental & patronizing to anything that is different from them. Also the complete inability to accept that there may be other folks with culture, knowledge, science which are perhaps equal to , if not better than, what UK & its people have done – of folks who graduate from these places of “learning” should be a clear pointer to the poverty of what these places are selling to the world as “learning” and knowledge”!!

  • BBC are Dirty

    The BBC should stress out about why it allowed a child rapist, Jimmy Saville, to use its premises to rape children. And they employed him for decades! Read this news article of an Englishwoman’s account of how, as a little girl, she was passed around in BBC premises to be sexually abused by BBC workers, including Saville.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/383143/Revenge-of-Jimmy-Savile-victim

    “Savile sat in this high-backed chair and he asked me to sit on his knee while he signed my luminous pink autograph book. I was wearing a pink dress with my hair in pigtails. He sat me right back on his body.” She was then abused. She added: “The camera­man was in the room at the time but he didn’t do anything. He took me to see Savile another two or three times and then left the room.

    “I can remember he was bony and he stank.” After a while she was taken to White City almost every weekend where she was left alone with a series of men and abused. “Some were in shirts and ties and others were dressed casually like cameramen or technicians. They would sit me on their knees and ­wiggle me about.”

  • Dheeraj Aggarwal

    Brown Sahib… fully agree are the permanent slaves of british empire and will not hesitate in selling their own families to be in good books of the empire (if it still exist). These people are ignorant morons who have no idea of their own origination…

  • Seel

    India is one of the rare countries in this word without an active offensive media policy, Doordarshan and AIR are relics and out of touch.

    • Nabha Garjana

      have you watched DD lately. you will be surprised.!

    • अक्षय

      India is still colonized. Realize that first! We’re a vassal state at the hand of an elite which has no connections to this country and pays homage to the West. Following these lot are a bunch of idiotic hip ‘Middle class’ people.

  • Barbaric Opinion

    Morons who dont have the balls to report about Rotherham rapists and who dont have the cajones to even utter the various crimes committed on British girls by Paki and other sundry Islamic criminals are out to lecture India still thinking that it is their burden to civilise natives.Already,more than a quarter of London is taken over by Islamic hoards.They will sleep and pontificate about Hindus till they realise the whole of London and Britain is hostage to the breeding politics of Islamists.

    • Krispy K

      Instead of realisation of Islamification, the UK will merely succumb to it, whether wittingly or otherwise. And there will be yet another country where Hindus cannot live in peace.

      Europe will inevitably turn into another Islamic hellhole, albeit probably not in our immediate lifetime.

      • अक्षय

        Europe’s percentage is much smaller than India. It’s likely that India will turn into a hell-hole (as is happening in W.B), way before Europe.

        • Krispy K

          I could not disagree more. In case you haven’t noticed, our encounters with Islam have been more intense, closer in nature and more long-term than the Europeans. And our civilisation is still here. I do not believe that European civilisation is as resilient.

          Dharma will survive when all others have turned to dust. It’s as integral to the universe as the laws of nature.

          Having said this, it is not an excuse for sitting back and letting barbarians run amok, which is part of the reason that we allow problems to fester in this country.

  • dr.viraj pradhan

    Why is the BBC against India?It has been consistently working against Indians and no one seems to sue them.Why?The abysmal ignorance of Hinduism among even the Hindus the world over and love for Islam among the westerners( note the number of British White Women converting to Islam) despite aggressive postures by the Muslims in U.K. and the U.S. are very obvious.Time and again Muslim anchors are brought on and a couple of Hindu anchors they have( at least their names sound Hindu) are either indifferent or interested only in their own survival.Is the job well-paid?There is always a white expert(?) on Pakistan who talks against Indian position on Kashmir and the elections that took place there.Why no one can sue the BBC for bias?They are abusing freedom of speech.Can anyone tell me why many white girls are converting to Islam there?Is the BBC paid heavily by ISI?There must be valid answers to these questions.

    • Krispy K

      Barbarians respect other barbarians. It’s why the self-styled “civilised” West has always had an underlying respect for Muslims (the likes of Churchill and Hitler come to mind) but unbridled contempt for Hindus. At the end of the day, we live in an era where everything is backward – civilised values are condemned as barbaric and barbaric behaviour is labelled as civilised. As expected in Kaliyug.

      • dr.viraj pradhan

        Thanks Krispy k for your reply.

        Is the same logic working when many good-looking British and Americal women from educated families marry Muslims and convert readily?

        • Krispy K

          Islam is becoming “trendy” now in the West, particularly the UK, which plays a major role. The irony is that this politically-correct reaction to the unpalatable realisation of the Islamic threat will merely expedite their capitulation to it.

          In general, the thing about Western lefties is that they will stop at nothing to prove how “enlightened” they are. Their Indian counterparts try to ape them in a cruder, less sophisticated manner, as might be expected of the mentally challenged. But it is less about pursuing truth and justice than it is about massaging their fake sense of superiority – in this case, in a *moral* rather than material context.

          The left-wing and the right-wing both harbour strong feelings of racial/cultural superiority – they just manifest them in polar opposite ways.

          • dr.viraj pradhan

            Thanks again.Was just curious about this issue.Despite Indians being more educated and settled financially this trend does not turn to them.Sad.
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            Islam is becoming “trendy” now in the West, particularly the UK, which plays a major role. The irony is that this politically-correct reaction to the unpalatable realisation of the Islamic threat will merely expedite their capitulation to it.In general, the thing about Western lefties is that they will stop at nothing to prove how “enlightened” they are. Their Indian counterparts try to ape them in a cruder, less sophisticated manner. But at least in the Western case, it is less about pursuing truth and justice than it is about massaging their fake sense of superior ity – in this case, *moral*. The left-wing and the right-wing both harbour strong feelings of racial/cultural superiority – they just manifest them in polar opposite ways. 9:34 a.m., Wednesday July 1 | Other comments by Krispy K |   |
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          • Krispy K

            The fact that the trend of Islamification seems to largely be skipping over (Hindu) Indians is merely an extension of what has historically proven true – the resilience of Dharma.

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            True.
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          • Sree Charan R

            I think, time has come for India to export “Hinduised Islam” to the world…..

          • My Friend, Hinduized Islam is because the muslims are living in a Hindu majority.

            Tamil Nadu muslim violence.

            read this letter from the father whose daughter was passed around and raped by Indian muslims.

          • Sree Charan R

            Again, no one can ignore the violence Islam is doing in the country, I did not deny that.
            I use the term “hinduized Islam” , because,
            Muslims(I am avoiding the term “Islam”) are generally friendly, as is Hindus; but, few rotten oranges(not “apples” !) spoil it.
            One reality that we cannot forget is: Islam has been most liberal in India, and it is because of Hinduism—India is the land of Sufi(though one may not have entirely positive opinions about it), not a Islamic Nation, etc.,
            The chief music player in Tirupati(the most economical Hindu Temple) is a muslim—and again, this is because of Hinduism—this is the point that I wanted to specify.
            Also, I am not referring/quoting Captain here.(though influenced by his thoughts !)

          • you need to learn more about sufi. sufi is mostly based around poems of Iranian(persian) poet rumi who was influenced by philosophies of other religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrian and Christianity.
            Some coldplay guy gave a book containing poems of rumi to PM Narendra Modi few days back.

            The Indian converts to sufi were under oppression of muslim rulers hence they couldnt reject islam openly.

            Click this: sufi is facade to hide the real islam

            clck this link too

            I definitely can see from your comments you are influenced by the blogs of captain, Hence I asked you to steer off from that line of thought.

          • Sree Charan R

            Firstly, thanks for your information about Sufi; was searching for some genuine information about Sufi Tradition.
            Again, I strictly do not want to argue over Captain’s words; for two reasons—my knowledge is limited, and that after thorough introspective thought processes, I found most of his conclusions to be logical and true.However, I have mentioned that, for this moment, I am not quoting Captain.
            Secondly,I too know of few Poets,Sages—and their illogical and anachronistic distortion by ‘inserting’, in the texts, few conversations of them with an Islamic Scholar—sorry to say, all these may be completely false, including that incident you mentioned about Ayyappa.If you look closer, all ‘those’ conversations that few ideologically-motivated scholars ‘insert’ are astonishingly same,even in the obviously diversified areas of Original Dharmic Scholarship in many of those alleged conversations with Hindu Poets/Scholars. {I would like you to look into this sort of misinterpretations more closely, i.e.,if possible, go through the primary sources. }
            Thank You

          • Anfauglir

            “Recently I came to know that Ayyappan interacted with muslim pirate which makes the events recent. BTW neither Buddha or Ayyappa are Avatars of Lord Vishnu.”

            The muslim pirate story is shown to be a recent addition: even virulently anti-Hindu western authors have had to point out this story was accrued in the last 2 or 3 centuries and can exist no earlier (and these anti-Hindu missionary western writers then want to use the fact that the islamic accretions are obviously very recent to argue that the Hindu God Ayyappa must be late too: but Ayyappa’s been worshipped for at least 2 millennia in Tamil Nadu and Kerala).

            Sufis are now further developing their muslim pirate story in order to convert Hindus: declaring that their muslim pirate character was not a pirate but a sufi saint instead, and making him an equal of Ayyappa by declaring Ayyappa was not a God but just human, and more such monotheist lies. Silly christian fantasies have also been attached to Ayyappa such as how Ayyappa was to have met some late christian family and other christian nonsense.

            Hindu Swami authors have long shown that Vavar is not a muslim character at all–Arabic doesn’t even have the letter “va” by the way–but is a corruption of “Vaparu”, the name of one of Ayyappa’s famous Bhootaganas that he is depicted with (who was long described in texts on Dharma-Shaastaa aka Ayyappa that pre-date islam).

            “BTW neither Buddha or Ayyappa are Avatars of Lord Vishnu.”
            Buddha is not an avataram (in southern Hinduism). But no Hindu would claim that Ayyappa is an avataram of Vishnu: Ayyappa is a name of and also an avataram of Dharmashaastaa, who is the child of Mohini, the Devi avataram of Vishnu.

          • Mohini avatar does not fit the chronological orders of Avatar. Moreover she is actually representation of his Yog-Maya which deludes people.

          • Anfauglir

            “Mohini avatar does not fit the chronological orders of Avatar.”
            Does not need to fit the chronological order of Avataras. (Hayagreeva, Dhanvantari then?) Mohini is still Vishnu’s Maya/Prakriti/Shakti. It is not the Purusha part of Vishnu as Purushottama, admittedly, but it is his Shakti form.

            “his Yog-Maya which deludes people”
            His yoga maya does more than that, it ultimately provides release/mokSha. It is the whole basis of shaaktam.

          • I wont be going into much details here.

          • Anfauglir

            The details of views may vary across traditions, each being valid to local teaching and experience.

            In any case, I can state that in southern parts of Bharatam, Mohini is considered an avataaram of Vishnu by traditional teachers (and literally referred to as “Mohini avataaram”) and considered non-different from Vishnu, other than that it is his Shakti form. Shri Vaishnavas for instance also refer to “Mohini Avataaram” of Vishnu, as do Shankara Mathas. It is certainly a very established and valid view among traditional Hindus of the south. Further, some Divya Deshams (of Shri Vaishnavam) dress up the Vishnu utsavamoorti in Mohini vesham on certain occasions, just as they dress him up in his other avataara forms. This is valid Vishnu-related tradition where I come from. It does not deny the validity of the tradition you were taught by your acharyas.

          • Are you Keralite or Tamil? My answer will depend on that? See I dont want to offend you but there are many nonsensical stories and folklore in South which don’t exist in Puranas.
            Also through Advaita Vedānta you will also come to know many wrong stuff that exist in present India.

          • Anfauglir

            “See I dont want to offend you but there are many nonsensical stories and folklore in South which don’t exist in Puranas”

            What specific ones are you alluding to? Since you’re making accusations, you have to be specific about the ‘crimes’ you have in mind.

            Significant parts of some puranas are “southern”. E.g. LalitopAkhyANam from the BrahmANDa purANa, particularly the LalitA sahasranAma stotram.

            There are major sections to the skAndam that are “exclusive” to the southern recension(s).

            In the south, the final kAndam of Valmeeki’s RAmAyaNam is not considered to be on quite as equal footing as the rest, and many end it with Sri Rama’s PattAbhiShekam. (With reason.)

            The south has additional sections to the Harivamsha.

            In some instances, one could argue that some things were merely better preserved in the south: perhaps in oral tradition first, before being written down. (And fewer jihads to destroy our repositories and corrupt our memory of heathenism.)

            In (parts of) the north, Buddha is considered one of the 10 avataras of Vishnu. In at least several southern traditions, Buddha is not known or even recognised as an avatara of Vishnu (at all).

            Several northern manuscripts of Hindu texts are almost entirely corrupted by Buddhist insertions (e.g. the northern version of one of the YAmalas, where known Hindu portions have further been erased–very probably by those who made the insertions).

            Minor changes exist too, though otherwise in line with Vedic religion (as compositions by Vedic Hindus are). E.g. one stotra that was sourced by a northern Hindu to the Vishnu Purana he consulted, was not found in the southern recension of the same Purana that a Sri Vaishnava Hindu tried to look it up in. The stotra remains valuable because it remains authentic to the God worshipped therewith.

            “Also through Advaita Vedānta you will also come to know many wrong stuff that exist in present India.”

            I can’t make out from your statement whether you’re an adherent of Advaita Vedanta and claiming others are wrong, or if you oppose Advaita Vedanta and claim your own specific tradition is right.

            Either way, all 3 Vedantic views are supported by the Vedic tradition: the 3 traditional views on Vedanta have been considered established views since long before the acharyas who later famously espoused them. (Neo-Vedanta is not traditional though. Examples of neo-Vedanta or rather new-ageism includes the growing number of modern types who have no background in rigorous Vedic ritualism but who would yet lecture others on “Vedanta”.)

            Further, at least Shankaracharya’s Advaitam, and pre-Shankara Advaitins of Shaiva and Shakta tradition, and Shri Vaishnava Acharyas will state that Mohini is Vishnu.

            (For Adi Shankara’s own example, his Soundarya and Shivananda Laharis should suffice. And Hindus associated with Shankara Mathas and Peethas–at least in southern parts of Bharatam–still uphold that Mohini is Vishnu.)

            You keep making insinuations: like the “nonsensical stories and folklores” and “folklores associated with a particular God in the South are mostly Buddhist versions”. But after making such serious allegations, you do not want to answer requests to be more specific, so that one can’t examine to what extent you may have a point or if you’re merely misinformed.

            “Are you Keralite or Tamil? My answer will depend on that? See I dont want to offend you”

            I’m not sure how this is relevant: your answer–if it’s a matter of fact rather than opinion–should be the same for whatever part of India I’m from. Otherwise you ought to equally answer what part of India you’re from. This last becomes more imperative if your accusations turn out to be about Gods best known among more southern populations and about more southern traditionally-established perceptions of Gods. (And if you make any statements about Ayyappa/Dharmashaastaa but are not a Hindu from the south and–most importantly–have no family grounding in Ayyappa, then you have no right to even an opinion on the subject.)

            You have still not answered the question I posed to you–twice already, and this is the third time–on another page at this site: what southern Hindu God were you referring to when you claimed that some unnamed southern God’s folklores were based on “mostly Buddhist versions”.

            And what folklores specifically? Who or what is your authority for these statements (accusations) that you make?

            Just because something factual about the Gods is not in any of the Puranas or even the Vedas does not mean it is not true: there have been sufficient expert Hindus with direct interaction with and first-hand knowledge of the Gods to add valid content to the body of our sacred literature.

            Further, to say that the folklore of some Hindu God–however unnamed–is mostly based on “Buddhist versions” is a very extreme claim. As I said, it is in fact an accusation. You therefore cannot lightly make the claim (accusation) and remain silent thereafter.

            Why is it that you do not answer that question? You made insinuations; when you’re asked for specifics about them, you therefore have to answer. Else you should not have casually made conveniently obscure accusations in the first place. Hindus have it hard enough having to waste time refuting the countless lies spun by the monotheists and crypto-Buddhists and the like inculturating on our Gods and mangling our heathenism. Don’t add more work unless you are willing to back up your statements with definite evidence. At the least you should make your accusations clear instead of leaving them half-hearted and cryptic: it can’t even be refuted that way as it stands now, which is convenient only for you who are making the insinuations.

          • I cant actually help you here since I am planning to publish my findings.

            Here are some pointers
            Vishnu Avatar
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandaberunda

            Ayyapan in human sojourn as the son of the Raja of Pandalam and friendship with Vavar
            http://maddy06.blogspot.in/2008/12/legend-of-vavar.html

            I don’t question the Puranas or other sacred texts of South. Similarly there are folklore related to Temples even in North which find no mention in Puranas.

            I am a guy who is not very willing to accept any bullshit folklore just because they exist and people try to justify them.

          • Anfauglir

            1. I mainly know of Gandaberunda from Narasimha Tantra audios I possess by Shri Vaishnava acharyas, where there are stotras to Narasimha-Gandaberunda along with Hanuman and Sudarshana. (The tantra audio collection starts with something from the Veda.)

            Generally tantra texts invoking the Gandaberunda form and certain Narasimha tantras are to fight off afflictions, including poisons and the usual vyaadhis. (Sarabheshwara is mainly invoked in tantra texts to counter afflictions too.)

            These tantra texts are established and their validity is not in question.

            If you do not know the above (you seem to have heard of Gandaberunda from wikipedia?) AND if you have no grounding in the actual tantra texts concerned, should you really be “publishing your findings” on the subject?

            As an aside, I always took the “Gandaberunda > Sarabheshwara > Narasimha” ordering as reflecting the eradication of sequential diseases (e.g. in the past I think lung infections could lead to pneumonia which could sometimes make one susceptible to consumption, etc.), and may not wholly or even quite be a case of “one-upmanship” between Shaivas and Vaishnavas as it is solely depicted. There are temples where both Sarabheshwara and Narasimha sannidhis are housed. They are consulted for general worship of the Gods but particularly for eradication of afflictions, especially specific diseases.

            2. “Ayyapan in human sojourn as the son of the Raja of Pandalam and friendship with Vavar”

            I’ve already responded to you on this a few comments above: the “Vavar as a muslim” is well-known to be a very late islamic imposition on Ayyappa’s narratives (there’s a christian latter day fraud too) and even anti-Hindu western authors admit as much.

            More importantly, you revealed in a comment above that you only recently heard of this islamic pirate story (the one that got grafted on to the account of the Ayyappa incarnation of Dharmashaastaa) whereas Hindu Swamis have long since been refuting this very islamic nonsense with first-hand materials from our texts. (As I had already stated, Hindu swamis had shown how 1. Vaparu is a bhootagaNa of Dharmashaastaa and the name “Vaavar” was a corruption or simplification thereof; and 2. one community of Hindu laity in a recent time got fooled by islamic encroachment on this and started conflating the two and propagated this error.) Even anti-Hindu western authors are familiar with the Hindu acharyas’ refutation. Yet you have not shown signs of knowing about this.

            So, when you “publish your findings” on Ayyappa, you will remember to be honest enough to admit that this “muslim pirate” tale has nothing to do with Dharmashaastaa or his Ayyappa incarnation, right? And you will moreover have to demonstrate to your intended readers that you are well-read on longstanding refutation by Hindu Swamis of the “muslim pirate/monotheist anything” story that has only rather lately become grafted on to Ayyappa’s narrative by some.

            I’ve looked more into this subject than you have and probably did so before you ever even heard of Ayyappa let alone of the late and fake “muslim pirate” story (which you admitted coming across only “recently”).

            By the way: “the muslim pirate” fiction is obviously entirely unknown to the established traditional accounts of Ayyappa, which speak only of the time of Agastiyar and Parashurama as the setting for Ayyappa’s religio-historical context. (And since when did Agastya or Parashurama even overlap with Buddhism or Jainism, let alone with islam or christianity?) Further, the muslim pirate fiction is not known to and certainly not recognised by a great many Ayyappa bhaktas. And in those cases where the lie has been cropping up, Hindu Swamis had long been exposing it for the falsehood it is and exposing how the muslim and christian impositions have merely been grafted on to the actual Hindu (i.e. true) Ayyappa account. Such activism on behalf of keeping the Hindu dharma pristine is not unlike how the Dwaraka Shankaracharya–joined by the Dharma Sansad–keeps trying to educate Indian Hindus about how Shirdi Sai Baba was a (subtly proselytising) muslim fakir, not a Hindu and certainly no Hindu God or guru.

            3. “I am a guy who is not very willing to accept any bullshit folklore just because they exist and people try to justify them.”

            Yet you sound like the kind of guy who catches a whiff of something and, without investigating in sufficient depth, will start publishing your opinion on the subject as if you’ve become an authority.

            After all, you actually wrote:

            BTW neither Buddha or Ayyappa are Avatars of Lord Vishnu

            which clearly demonstrates that the extent of your knowledge on “folklores” concerning Ayyappa is far from that of any expert: I’ve never heard of anyone claiming that Ayyappa is an avatara of Vishnu. I have to wonder whether this is reflective of the extent of the “research” you’ve done. And, when you don’t even know that much, why are you threatening to “publish your findings”? You do NOT want to be lying against the Vedic Gods (and Ayyappa is a very Vedic God).

            What do you know of Ayyappa at all? I know vedabrahmanas who ritually sing the Saamam to Ayyappa and conduct homas for him, whose ancient kuladevam he is. They know him very well–and orthodox Hindus do not subscribe to the relatively recently invented muslim pirate story, because it is a known fake only peddled on the web by monotheists and those who buy into that other recently-spun con of how Ayyappa has anything to do with Buddhism.

            If Ayyappa/Dharmashaastaa is not your kuladevam (and you really sound like you just discovered him, especially if you have to read online blogs about recent fake-lore attached to him by the monotheists) you have no right to speak about him. You have even less right to brainwash Hindus against him with your half-baked knowledge.

            Do not lie about the Vedic Gods.

            Also, IF you have ritual experience with tantra texts invoking Gandaberunda, then speak of Gandaberunda. Otherwise don’t.

            4. Returning to your earlier statement
            “Mohini … is actually representation of [Vishnu’s] Yog-Maya which deludes people.”

            Even this is incomplete. Vishnu’s Yoga Maya did not merely “delude” even in the Samudra Manthana narrative, but at the same time directly facilitated the Devas’ access to Amritam.

            “mrityormukShIyamAmR^itAt” has a double meaning of both deathlessness in the sense of immortality and freedom from (life-and-)death, i.e. moksha from the cycle of repeated birth. Hence that shloka is literally read as a reference to freedom from samsAra by Vedantins.

            Mohini, who tricked the easily-taken-in Asuras away from Amritam and who divided the Amritam among the Devas, not only duped the unworthy/unready (the Asuras) from immortality, but directly facilitated the dispensation of Amritam to the deserving (ready/evolved) Devas to make sure they received it.

            This shows that Vishnu’s Yoga Maya (Mohini Ambaa) only continues to confound those who are not yet ready, while she directly facilitates the knowledge of Brahmavidya and thereby grants Amritam/mokSha for those who are ready. This is exactly what is said of the Devaatmashakti in general in all texts. E.g. it is said repeatedly of Uma/Durga.

            Mohini “enchants” in the sense Prakriti enchants, but is also herself the means of liberation (devi is herself brahmavidyA, the milk of jnAnam, amRitam). Devi is the manifest cosmos, which may befuddle at first, but the journey through which makes mokSha of the jeevaatman possible.

            For you to say that Mohini only “deludes” people is not the whole truth. Besides, the Devaatmashakti is non-different from the Hindu Gods (Vishnu, Shiva, any): it is their own power and an essential, indivisible part of themselves. One can choose to see it as distinct, but it is not really or ultimately. Which is why the Gods are always with their Shakti.

            P.S. you have still not answered my question, this is the 4th time I ask it. You had stated on another page at this site:

            “Folklores associated with a particular God in South are based on mostly Buddhist versions.”

            Which God in the south does your statement refer to? Why did you make the insinuation if you will continue to refuse to be specific?

  • Rama

    Brilliant, I hope the barbarians at BBC and their poodles read this gem of an article.

  • अक्षय

    Hinduphobia is everywhere.

    • Krispy K

      For white people, “Hinduphobia” is becoming a convenient replacement for “Islamophobia”. They can use it to express the deep-rooted racial contempt they have for brown people, but without the hazards of violence and death-threats consequential of the latter. At the end of the day, as always we are an easy target for barbarians and low-lifes all over the world.

    • Nabha Garjana

      the best part is the Cambridge article which has quoted this link http://sanskrit.lib.cam.ac.uk/ for “Brahminical” references has the verse
      जलाद्रक्षेत्तैलाद्रक्षेद्रक्षेच्छिथिलबन्धनात् |

      मूर्खहस्ते न मां दद्यादिति वदति पुस्तकम् ||
      which dosent have the word “Brahminical” what it has is मूर्खहस्ते which meant “into the hands of Dumb/Fools” which the so called cambridge guys has translated “into the hands of the Brahminis” what a criminal SHAME!

  • Sambit

    Hindu revival has begun..hindus will not take these type of blatant slander and falsifications lying down..brilliant rebuttal..keep up the good work jay and indiafacts.

  • kyzylkumkohlrabi

    As a Person of Indian Origin (PIO) myself, it’s good to see individuals with a similar background to mine (like Jay Jina) showing a deep understanding of the political machinations that currently/have historically undermine(d) the very existence of our ancestral civilization and its culture. This was a good article, thank you.