From Maatar to Mother: Seeing Sanskrit in English

There are numerous references with countless examples of English words with Sanskrit origins.

“How are your Sanskrit studies going?” asked Indira, a dear friend.

Over the years, attending Sanskrit classes, I used to be fascinated as I began sensing similarities between many English words and Sanskrit words.  I would sit in Sanskrit classes trying to come up with similar sounding English words, just for fun!

So, I replied, “Well, the sentence you spoke connects with Sanskrit in two ways.  The word ‘Sanskrit’ itself is an Anglicized form of the Sanskrit word ‘Samskrtam’, which means “that which is done well, complete”.  Then, the verb ‘go’ likely derives from Sanskrit root ‘ga’ “to go”.  For example, that which ‘goes (moves) in the sky’ is called Khaga (Kha stands for space or sky).  Hence, a bird or an airplane is called Khaga.  A reptile or snake is called Uraga because it ‘goes/moves on its chest (“ura”)’. And durga means “one whose presence makes sadness godukham gacchati!” That is how my Sanskrit is going!”

“That is fascinating.”

There are many words in English such as Guru, Mantra, Pundit, Swami and Avatar that are direct copies of the original Sanskrit terms.  For example, since there is no concept equivalent to Karma in the western worldview, the word “Karma” has been copied into the English lexicon as is.  There are other words in English, which are believed to belong to English, but on deeper analysis seems to originate from other languages such as Latin, or, in the case of my interest, Sanskrit.

“I have heard that Sanskrit is the mother of all languages”

“You may be correct.  But I do not know enough to prove that.  What attracts me is the word ‘mother’, and words representing the closest kith and kin. Take a look:

Sanskrit English
Pithar पितृ Father
Maathar  मातृ Mother
Bhraathar  भ्रातृ Brother
Svasar  स्वसृ Sister
Duhitar  दुहितृ Daughter

 

Stop!  These words look almost identical in both languages!”

“Isn’t it?  Mere coincidence?  I wish somebody researches into this. By the way, ‘Stop’ is not an ordinary word either.  It likely derives from the root ‘sthaa’, which is firmly entrenched in Sanskrit and English. ‘sthaa’ refers to “cessation of motion”.  Take a look at these words in Sanskrit:

Sanskrit English
Sthiram  स्ठिरम् Steady, stable, steadfast, static
Sthaanam स्ठानम्, Sthalam स्ठलम् State (Place), Station, Seat
Sthiti  स्ठिति: Status, Stay
Sthaapanam  स्ठापनम् Establish, Stabilize

“Wow! You seem to be building a new vocabulary.”

I am just trying to connect.  Talking about ‘vocabulary’, do you find anything common in these words – vocal, voice, vocative, vociferous, vocabulary, invoke and revoke”?

“Something related to speech!”

Yes, and the Sanskrit root we are looking for is “vaach” in the sense of ‘speaking’.  For example:

Sanskrit Meaning
Vaak  वाक् Speech
Vaachaa  वाचा By speech
Vaakyam  वाक्यम् That which is spoken
Vaachaspati   वाचस्पति: Master of one’s speech = scholar
VaaNi  वाणी What emanates from the vocal apparatus – Speech, song, etc.
Uvaacha  उवाच “(He, She) Said”.  As in “Shree Bhagavaan uvaacha” in the Bhagavad Gita.
Vaktaa  वक्ता Speaker

 

“This is looking marvellous”

I told you.  Wait, you just introduced another Sanskrit word. Let us take a look at ‘look’, it looks curiously close to ‘Lok’.

Sanskrit Meaning
Lok  लोक् to see, look, perceive

 

We can now see why ‘world’ is called “Loka” in Sanskrit – “that which is perceived (by a conscious being)”.  Thus “Bhu Loka” (The earth), “Indra Loka” (the world belonging to Lord Indra), etc.  Also, notice that “Locate” has the meaning “to see or spot”.

“You are driving me crazy.”

On the contrary, “you” has always been driving me crazy!  In Sanskrit “you” is ‘tvam’.  There seems to be no connection between “you” and “tvam”!  Let me explain this dilemma.

If we look at Personal Pronouns in general, this is what we find:

English Sanskrit
They Té  ते
My, Me Mé  मे
She Saa  सा
That Tat  तत्
It Idam  इदम्

“The words seem to be almost identical!”

That is correct.  That is why, I have been wondering about the apparent disconnect between the words “you” and “tvam”.  To unravel this, we need to investigate.  In Sanskrit, a noun has a native form, such as “krishna”.  Then, it undergoes transformations before it can be used as a word in a sentence.  The various relationships of a noun, such as “Krishna (the subject)”, “by Krishna” (Krishna, the agent), “to Krishna” (recipient), “from Krishna” (giver), “Krishna’s” (possession), etc. appear in Sanskrit as single words, as in “krishnah”, “krishnena”, “kriShNaaya”, “krishnaat”, and “krishnasya” respectively.

Let us tabulate all these forms:

 

Example Singular Dual Plural
Nominative You went to school Tvam

त्वम्

Yuvaam

युवाम्

Yooyam

यूयम्

Instrumental I went with you Tvayaa

त्वया

Yuvaabhyaam

युवाभ्याम्

YushmaabhiH

युष्माभिः

Ablative I got a gift from you Tvat

त्वत्

Yuvaabhyaam

युवाभ्याम्

Yushmabhyam

युष्मभ्यम्

Dative My salutations to you Tubhyam

तुभ्यम्

Yuvaabhyaam

युवाभ्याम्

Yushmabhyam

युष्मभ्यम्

Possessive This is your book Tava

तव

YuvayoH

युवयोः

Yushmaakam

युष्माकम्

 

Pay attention to the numerous “Yu”s.  It must have been easier to adapt this simpler abbreviation “Yu” for second person singular “you” into English!

“Oh my God!  It is cruel of the British to have made us believe that English is superior to the divine Sanskrit…”

Hmm.  The British.  That deserves a whole new chapter.  You mentioned ‘cruel’.  Could “cruel” derive from the Sanskrit word kroora? And Cruelty from kroorataa?  Wouldn’t it be nice to know how kroora morphed into cruel? Or, how the word “divine” which you invoked, may have derived from “daivam”?  Perhaps a research topic for somebody?

“Are you suggesting that English is a cut-and-paste of Sanskrit?”

Not at all.  You are the one insisting on bringing Sanskrit into our discussion, not me.  Paste is piShTa, and cut is kRitta in Sanskrit.

 

Sanskrit Meaning English
PiShTa  पिष्ट Kneaded, squeezed, ground Paste
Pesha  पेष Paste Paste
Kartanam  कर्तनम्, Krtta कृत्त Cut off, cut Cut
Kartari  कर्तरी Cutter, Scissors Cutter

 

“You are making me feel that English is same as Sanskrit.”

English is definitely not the same as Sanskrit, but “same” seems to be the same as “sama” just as “name” could be derived from “naama”!

“You’ve licked Sanskrit clean.”

Sanskrit is an ocean where one can dip oneself for a lifetime.  “Lick” appears to be derived from “lih”.  For example, the “Chyaavanpraash” that many Indians are familiar with or the chocolate candy that you lovingly stroke in your mouth is called “lehyam”; literally, “that which is to be licked”.

“Are you suggesting a new method to navigate Sanskrit?”

I think there is an opportunity. The purpose of this article is to stoke a deep interest in Sanskrit.  Too often, we are told that Sanskrit is dead, or Sanskrit is an “Indo-European Language”.  Who decides?  Can Sanskrit not stand on itself?  Isn’t it an Indian Language first and foremost?  After William Jones exclaimed the sophistication of Sanskrit (“more perfect than the Greek and more copious than the Latin”) and its relationship to German, Greek, Latin and other languages, it was quickly proposed that they were part of an “Indo-European Language family”, whose root would be a “Proto-Indo-European” (PIE) language.  To date, a PIE has not yet been found.  This leads me to believe Sanskrit to be a unique and an independent language originating solely in India.

Back to your question of navigating Sanskrit, “navigate” is a combination of two Sanskrit words:

 

Sanskrit Meaning English
Naavah  नाव: Ship, boat Navy, Naval, etc.
Gatih गतिः Movement
Navagatih  नवगतिः Movement of ships Navigation

 

A Google search reveals numerous references with countless examples of English words with Sanskrit origins: ignite <- agni; Know <- jnaa; bandana, band <- bandana, bandha; orange <- naaranga; punch (drink) <- pancha (five – ingredients).  I want to caution you that I have not researched the origins discussed in this article.  I am merely surmising based on apparent similarities.  I would not be surprised if many of my observations are proved to be correct.  I welcome insights from readers.  The purpose of this imaginary dialogue is to spur interest in Sanskrit, or “Devabhaasha”, the “Language of the Gods”.

“Vande maataram!” said Indira.

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  • SuchindranathAiyer

    Listen to the rant in any Mosque in India or any news channel in Pakistan and tell me whether you understand it or not. Urdu is the white skull cap on every “Hindi” speaker’s head. Whether visible or not. Quite right too. For like ancestral “Hindi” Speakers, Urdu was born in the Bazaars and Brothels of Islamic Kingdoms and Empires. Urdu, when politically modulated or propagated by Bollywood or your friendly neighbourhood Mosque and it’s adherents,with Dawoodi or Saudi finance and Political encouragement, and written in Devanagari, is Hindi.

  • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

    I really hate these chauvinistic Hindus who know little next to nothing about linguistics only to write articles about it. It is not enough that they are ignorant and ill informed, but they must than share their ignorance with others to spread idiocy. This idiocy make our whole community look stupid, unintellectual, and like right-wing extremists. Simply by comparing words that sound similar you cannot deduce their relation. But yes the English and Sanskrit words are similar because they both have similar ancestors. Sanskrit closer, English farther. Sanskrit has many similar words to English but that is due to the fact that English borrows words form Greek, German, Latin, French etc which has cognates. To draw connections you must have extensive Linguistic training, not a degree in Chemistry and self righteous stupidity. Sanskrit is an Indo-European language due to the fact that it is so similar. If Sanskrit wasn’t an Indo-European language than why are you able to find similarities? Just because the PIE language hasn’t be found doesnt negate that the Sanskrit language is not related to other languages in the family. Just because two brothers are orphaned and the whereabouts of their mother is unknown, doesn’t imply that the brothers aren’t related and that they don’t have a mother. The logical fallacies in this paper are enough to negate this article, let alone the rubbish proof. I would like to warn my friends who love Sanskrit and appreciate our culture to reject this work of idiocy.

    • SuchindranathAiyer

      Urdu, when politically modulated or propagated by Bollywood with Dawoodi finance and Political encouragement, and written in Devanagari is Hindi. Listen to the rant in any Mosque in India or any news channel in Pakistan and tell me whether you understand it or not. Urdu is the white skull cap on every “Hindi” speaker’s head. Whether visible or not. Wuite right too. For like ancestral “Hindi” Speakers, Urdu was born in the Bazaars and Brothels of Islamic Kingdoms and Empires.

  • Akaara

    We’ve got to have Sanskrit as the national language.

  • SuchindranathAiyer

    Moslems, with Hindi, succeeded the Christians and English as the alien over lords, Remember Vajpayee’s skull cap, iftaars and shayries? Hindi is a symbol of Islamic / Alien hegemony over India like the Indian Constitution.

    It is time to recover the heritage that was eradicated by the Moslems, the Christians and their stooges who have ruled India since 1947. Many Indian languages have a far greater literary tradition than Hindi. Of all these, only Sanskrit can beat English, Latin and Greek with Valmiki, Vyasa and Kalidasa leading the charge

    If I cannot have Sanskrit, I prefer English.

    • Infinite Wisdom

      Let us be practical. Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        Being practical is what the lemming leaders like Gandhi, Nehru, Vajpayee and Modi preach. The dissolution of standards, principles and the drive to excel and reach for, at all times, for the better is what turned India is a slum in 1947 and which has been rolling downhill ever since. The PANGOLIN*s even accelerated the collapse by turning the merit and integrity pyramid upside down.

        *Note: PANGOLIN: An enemy of India who believes in inequality under law, exceptions to the rule of law and persecution of some for the benefit of others. At present, the sole purpose of the Indian Republic, Constitutional or otherwise, is to pamper and provide for certain constitutionally preferred sections of society who the British found useful to hold and exploit India at the cost of those who the British hated and persecuted. The Pangolin is a creature that is unique to India and feeds on ants that are known in nature to be industrious and hard working if not quite as fruitful as bees who flee to better climes. (PANGOLIN is an acronym for the Periyar-Ambedkar-Nehru-Gandhi-Other (alien) Religions-Communist Consensus that usurped the British Mantle and has worn it with elan to loot, plunder, and rape India since 1921 and re write History and laws to their exclusive benefit since 1947) .

    • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

      You are a moron. Hindi is not Islamic. Hindi is the Sanskritized form of the Hindustani language written in the Devanagari script. Urdu is the Persianized/Arabized version of Hindustani written in Perso-Arabic script. The British declared the Hindustani language written in arabic script the national language of India only to offend Hindus. This led to Hindi and Urdu being split. I would prefer an Indian language like Hindi over a foreign tongue like English as a national Language. Stop being ignorant and read some history once in a while.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        Listen to the rant in any Mosque in India or any news channel in Pakistan or of any name caller, and tell me whether you understand it or not. Urdu is the white skull cap on every “Hindi” speaker’s head. Whether visible or not. Quite right too. For like ancestral “Hindi” Speakers, Daalits and other name callers, Urdu was born in the Bazaars and Brothels of Islamic Kingdoms and Empires. Urdu, when politically modulated or propagated by Bollywood or your friendly neighbourhood Mosque and it’s adherents,with Dawoodi or Saudi finance and Political encouragement, and written in Devanagari, is Hindi.

        • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

          You are only spewing more nonsense. You did not negate any of what I said. I doubt you can. Now for the argument on Hindi and Urdu being the same: They are not, but they are similar. They were carved from the same language. But are very different. Both are very much Indian, but one is more so due to heavy Sanskritization. Being able to understand Urdu doesn’t change that it is different as a language. I have a Dutch friend who understands Afrikaans, but not all of it. Same goes with Hindi speakers. We understand some Urdu, but not all of it.

  • Rohini Madugula

    Wow! Amazing write up. Sanskrit is one of the classic languages.

  • Raj

    This article was heart touching ..or should i say “Hrut” touching.

  • Poornima Mohan

    I feel the attempt at deriving (singular/plural) ‘you’ from a portion of the Sanskrit dual forms is a bit contrived. Deriving ‘thee’ or ‘thy’ from the singular forms would have been.more natural and convincing

    • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

      But these English words don’t derive form Sanskrit, they come from its Germanic roots, which are related to Sanskrit but not closely. Please be careful from misleading and un-academic papers like the one we just unfortunately read.

  • prashants5 .

    The English word “Hey” refers to address someone perhaps also taken from SamskRtam. Such as हे राम: and हे बालका: are used to address a person named rama an boys respectively.

  • VarunaPraghasa

    Beautiful mind blowing article

  • Prashanth Kumar

    Awesome article.i have thus article at the time when I am learning samskritam. Thank you. Dhanyavadam.

  • Cybil Peril

    Point is, “Is English an original language”? No, it is a derivative from mixture of Latin, Greek and few other languages because Britain was a slave nation itself. There are Greek aphorisms and overhead descriptions and placards used in Britain, though they have replaced them to hide their historical shame. Britain has even demolished the shameful social heritage architectural buildings and monuments in Britain that portrayed their social evil practices. Women had no right in Britain only a century ago. They were not allowed to vote and go to school and write in public domain. These are all historical records of Britain and perhaps most of Europe a century ago.

  • SuchindranathAiyer

    Perhaps there are are more Sanskrit words in English than in Devanagari-Urdu i.e. Hindi

    • prashants5 .

      Nope that’s a propaganda from Anti-Hindi brigade. And it is clear from your comments that, you yourself don’t know (and studied ) either Hindi or SamskRtam. Btw, my native language is neither Hindi nor Tamil.

      Pure Hindi is sanskritzed like any other Indian langauge, even if Hindi is youngest language primarily created for political reason to serve as Umbralla Langauges of many North Indian languages. If you are refering to Bollywood Hindi then I can’t help because except few, Bollywood is more Urdu than Hindi.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        How do you assume that I do not know (and have never studied) Debanagari-Urdu (aka Hindi) and Su Smaskrutham? I want your answer before we go any farther with this absurd rebuttal by somebody who is eminently qualified to sit on Indian Suprme Court Bench or the the Rajya Sabha on the basis of data sufficiency alone.

        • prashants5 .

          The way you have spelled two words, “Devanagari” and “SamskRtam” phonetically in Latin script is enough to know how much you have studied Hindi and Sanskrit. It is better for you to write using Devanagari script itself if you want to show your expertise on Hindi and SamskRtam.

          I don’t mind what you think about Hindi or SamskRtam. This is your problem but your comments and audacity to mock other langauges, exposes your lack of knowledge of both the languages.

          • SuchindranathAiyer

            Your pretention to deduction is sufficient to know that you do not know the rules of English. It is safe enough to extrapolate your ingorance in thsi to other areas in which you pretend certainty. How old are you? Thirteen? What is you pravara? which guru kula did you go to? Who is your adhyapaka? If any?What title did you recieve in Sanskrit? From where? Clown. You must be from the Nehru-Gandhi-Ambedkar School of Devanagari-Urdu at Columbia University

          • prashants5 .

            Since you question and answer youself ( on behalf of me) everything I don’t have much left to reply. Your knowledge on langauge is pathetic that disqualifes you to debate further. Good luck with your Anti-Hindi rant and hate. India doesn’t need to engage with Pakistan, as long as people like you spread hatred from within.

            देबनागरी –> Haha…this is your spelling. That’s why I asked you to write using Devanagari script. Since you claim to be mahAjNAnI and Bhuspanditam in Hindi and samskRtam, go correct that first and then come back for a language debate.

            I can’t stoop to your level and start name calling.

          • SuchindranathAiyer

            An attempt to reflect yourself. If you are capable, after all your prodigious learning to remember what you have written earlier. Surely you should welcome your own likeness?

          • prashants5 .

            Instead of meaningless rant here, learn Hindi and SamskRtam both, to find the similarities. Most of the Modern Eastern/Western/Northen Indian langaues have also little or more Persian origin words. Does it mean they are Urdu as well? Only a stupid would say Hindi is Urdu and it has less Sanskrit words in it, than in English. Read some Hindi Literature first before going ga ga like typical DMK and Christian/Marxist propaganda to spread hatred.

            India has too many internal enemies/divisive minds, who spread such stupidity and propaganda. Don’t be an enemy with your half-baked knowledge but learn to respect other cultures and other’s languages of India as you expect someone would do for yours.

      • BenDoverUranus

        No one speaks Sanskritized Hindi!! just turn on any hindi TV channel and tell me how that’s “Sanskritized hindi” its not.

        • prashants5 .

          I already talked about it in my other comments, about TV Channels and Bollywood. The Bollywood is mostly captured by Islamic Culture and these are the sources for TV Channels as well.

          At the same time, why only Hindi, almost every other Indian language TV channel ( other than DD) , are using English words heavily. So why alone blame Hindi only? The Indic culture is already dying….Look how the moronic Urbanites feel so cool about it…!!

          • BenDoverUranus

            The Bollywood is mostly captured by Islamic Culture and these are the sources for TV Channels as well
            Call it whatever you want THAT is the “Hindi” commonors speak.

            Hell, i speak hindi myself! Its all full of arab farsi words like :-

            Roz, zara, kismet, aakhri, zulm, roshan, zameen, asmaan, fikr, taleem, tez, kameez, berozgaar, behudi, toofan, tareef, tez, shoukat, shohrat, shaukeen, sukun, Mohabbat, Maalik, zaroorat, arzi, peshi, asli-naqli, ameer, ghareeb, sharab, yaad, yaar, behosh. Etc all arab/farsi words.

            Don’t run from facts bro, i am a Tamilian who picked Hindi up from talking to my Hindu Northie friends. it is an Islamic influenced Language not Hindu(not that i have anything against islam as Tamils were never in conflict with it).

            “So why alone blame Hindi only?”
            I’m not blaming it… I’m just saying Sanskritized Hindi is almost as dead as Sanskrit itself.. its the Mughal version of Hindi which is popular.

            Also, I’d rather not have either of these 2 Hindi versions to be shoved down Tamil people’s throat…

          • prashants5 .

            I have studied Hindi (as a 3rd Language, including some Hindi literature) and been speaking and reading Hindi for long time. I do know it has some Farsi influence as well which is natural due to 1000 years of Islamic invasion, but unfortunately, common Hindi speakers, don’t use most of the words you mentioned above, in their day today life but few from your list. And there are equivalent Hindi words for each of the Farsi word you mentioned above. Might be you have actually Learnt Urdu and confused with Hindi.

            On another note, it is very common when one culture influence another culture and that language pollution exist almost in all Indian Languages. Since you claim Sanskrit is dead, so then Indic culture is also dead. So if you can’t contribute on how to revive Sanskritized Hindi or Sanskrit itself, there is no point in continuing our discussion.

            And the word “Hindu” is itself Islamic construct.

            Regarding Tamil it is better you keep that to yourself as it is out of the scope of this discussion and I have no interest what Tamil has to do with Hindi and vice-versa.

          • BenDoverUranus

            And you better keep Hindi to yourself as i have no fucking interest in it, so you better shove your TRIVIAL hindi etymology&history up your ass!

            I try to be nice to you hindi bhenchods and i get this! Well no more nice guy act! FUCK Hindi!

            “Might be you have actually Learnt Urdu and confused with Hindi.”
            No, you dumbfuck! that is the hindi everyone actually speaks!! Like WTF is the alternative to “Asli&Naqli” and “Berozgar”!? Whatever it is i sure as hell have never heard of it!

          • prashants5 .

            >> And you better keep Hindi to yourself as i have no fucking interest in it, so you better shove your TRIVIAL hindi etymology&history up your ass!

            It was you who were very much interested in Hindi and Sanskrit and that’s why you thought of replying to my Post. Right? You should have stayed away from such discussion if you don’t have any interest in that.

            My postings were all about Hindi and Sanskrit and had hardly anything to do with your DMK and Tamil Politics. But you made sure that politics made it’s due appearance out of nowhere.

            Since you already have glorified yourself and your culture in the above post, I hardly have anything left to contribute. I usually stay away from someone who write like a Junglee.

          • BenDoverUranus

            It was you who were very much interested in Hindi and Sanskrit
            I am no longer considering how you just insulted my mother tongue for literally no fucking reason! You expected me to go on!? Sorry i have too much testosterone to tolerate such veiled insults!

            hardly anything to do with your DMK and Tamil Politics
            First off, i DIDN’T mention DMK secondly EXCUSE ME! I am a Tamilain so i am gonna take a jab on Hindi imposition, that’s not politics its my view!!

            Why is that little sidenote so distracting you have to insult Tamils!? All you had to say in reply was “I agree nothing should be imposed on Tamils” and you could have continued the covo as normal! But you have to be an asshole, don’t you Prashant!?

            I usually stay away from someone who write like a Junglee.
            Is that the best insult you can come up with you randi ki paidayesh!?

            Since you already have glorified yourself and your culture in the above post
            Please read again! All i said was FUCK hindi and FUCK you!

          • prashants5 .

            >> I am no longer considering how you just insulted my mother tongue for literally no fucking reason!

            I have no way insulted any language or your mother tongue. I have equal love and respect for all Indic Languages unlike you who hate others merely because they speak a different language. The quality of your post talks about that. I don’t need to write more.

            You wrote, “Also, I’d rather not have either of these 2 Hindi versions to be shoved down Tamil people’s throat… “. I never mentioned about Tamil or any Tamilian’s Throat…in any of my post until you make it like a Headline. It is you who made this political statement out of nowhere that’s completely irrelevant to what I have posted about. The Article on this page also doesn’t talk about Tamil so why the fuss about Tamil and Hindi?

            That’s why I said you keep it to yourself as I don’t have anything to do with what Hindi has to do with Tamil and vice-versa. I am not interested to get into your nasty and divisive arguments.

          • BenDoverUranus

            Oye, What IS THE NON-FARSI ALTERNATIVE FOR ASLI&NAQLI!? I am tired waiting… You are just a Naqli aadmi, perhaps a computer simulation of the average RSS supporter!? I’ll never know…

            I have no way insulted any language or your mother tongue
            Saying that you are “not interested in Tamil and i should keep it to myself” is VERY INSULTING!

            How about you keep your hindi to yourself and don’t talk about it!? no one has any interest in it! I’m not insulting you or Hindi by your logic.

            I never mentioned about Tamil or any Tamilian’s Throat…in any of my post until you make it like a Headline
            I NEVER said YOU did! The Central Govt is doing it.

            who hate others merely because they speak a different language
            Like you!! “I don’t wanna listen about Tamil eewwh keep it Urself” you are a POS Hypocrite #1!

            It is you who made this political statement out of nowhere that’s completely irrelevant to what I have posted about
            So what!? We are having an INFORMAL discussion not a court debate! You are completely free to ignore it and NOT insult my heritage, Gandu Master!

            I’m sorry i didn’t know that Mr.Prashant CEO of the universe can’t tolerate off topic comments.

            I am not interested to get into your nasty and divisive arguments.
            How is a discussion on the Govt’s language policies in India “nasty&divisive”? Unless of course the views you hold on that subject matter are so nasty&divisive!!

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            Asli=satyam/shuddha, nakli= nirsatyam, ashuddha, mithya. I speak a pure form of Hindi. Yes people speak pure Hindi, but it is not common. When you hear persian etc words in Hindi than you can tell its not pure Hindi as created by the Indian government. Please stop with your disgusting and shameless language. Also on an ethnic basis Tamil never faced the Islamic onslaught because the brunt was born by Northern, Central, Western, and Eastern India while the south benefited from distance. The Islamic persecution of Dharmic culture effects everyone who loves it. Please don’t be so rude.

          • BenDoverUranus

            “Satya” “Shudh”
            Nice SANSKRIT words! Now please list me some HINDI alternative words! I suspect there ISN’T any. FYI i could list pure Tamil words which isn’t borrowed from Farsi or Sanskrit. Any language that cannot stand on its own is inferior&lowbrow like Hindi.

            “pure Hindi as created by the Indian government”
            Last time i checked languages were created by people not govts.

            “because the brunt was born by Northern, Central, Western, and Eastern India”
            Oh Shut up, there was no “North,central,western or Eastern India” back in the day, every kingdom was for its own and your Hindi kingdoms were weak&worthless against the might of Islamic rulers. In fact the reason why there are so many Musslims in India is thanks to your weakness&impotence.

            “Please don’t be so rude”
            No, how about you tell your feller Hindi chauvinists first to shut it? I have had it with their belittling of my culture&heritage.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            Amazing how you cry about your “heritage” being belittled while all the time you are belittling that of “others”. First Hindi was in fact created through government policy. It was developed from the Hindustani Language. Hindi was to be a Sanskritized register of Hindustani, while Urdu was an Arabized/Persianized version of Hindi. Most linguists and historians agree on this fact. So the usage of Sanskrit words in Hindi is normal considering that it is a Sanskrit derived language. If that is not enough for you “Dravidian” racists than try Saccha for satyam and pakka for shudh. If that doesn’t satisfy you, than I don’t know what to say to you. Whatever a “pure language” is, that doesn’t imply superiority or inferiority. Anyone who neutrally looks at the world can see English, despite being a hybrid language, is far superior to Tamil. Why? Because it has more speakers, higher prestige, leads to higher income, produces more academic literature, has more words, and is used for universal communication. Thus by every parameter English is superior to Tamil, this is despite being a hybrid language. Hindi is much like English in that respect.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            My usage of North, Central, and Southern India wasn’t to call them units but to locate them geographically in modern times relative to its history. It is clear you have no training in history writing, or research. Because all Scholars from Romila Thapar, to Alain Danelou, use these geographic identifiers. So when I said Northern India, I implied the different kingdoms which are located the Northern portion of India. The fact that you cannot even understand that is amazing. The quantity of Moslems in India has risen only in modern times due to conversion, birth rate, and other factors. Kerala wasn’t ruled by Moslems but has a higher percentage of Moslems than Gujarat which was. But again that is complex historical facts that a Tamil Chauvinist cannot hope to comprehend. India did in fact put up a fantastic resistance to Islamic invaders. The fact that the Mughals had to start employing Rajputs, Jats, and others is proof of the fact that they couldn’t build an empire on their own. The fact that the greatest military geniuses of India have been produced by North Indians. Chandragutpa Maurya, Maharana Pratap, Rana Sangha, Bajirao Bhat the Peshwa, Chhatrapathi Shivaji, and so on. Even Field Marshal Mountgomery praised the military genius of Bajirao the Peshwa. So the kingdoms of Nothern India were always Mighty, but all great empires fall, and all great regions collapse. Even the Mighty persians fell before the Islamic onslaught, the mighty Europeans couldn’t stop the ottomans, and so on.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            If you look throughout this comment post, I have condemned all forms of Chauvinism, Hindi, Tamil etc. I’m not going to waste all day criticizing every comment. I’ve done enough in real life and in this comment section. I’m not being rude to you, nor am I ridiculing Tamil culture and contributions. However you are insulting others.

          • BenDoverUranus

            “However you are insulting others”
            Oh, it just so happens the “Others” have been insulting MY heritage, more specifically you Hindi people! I’m a red blooded 23 yr old male, i do not tolerate people that belittle MY heritage.

            It is clear you have no training in history writing, or research.
            Your attempts at condescending is hilarious, why don’t you go preach your wisdom in your Bimaru land?

            The quantity of Moslems in India has risen only in modern times due to conversion
            The conversions stopped dramatically after independence as there was actual laws to protect Hindus from forced conversions, it was Aurangzeb and other rules who contributed to 90% of the conversions.

            “Kerala wasn’t ruled by Moslems but has a higher percentage of Moslems than Gujarat”
            That’s because Sufi Saints were the first muslim group to land in “India”(as in just a geographical expression)! I thought you knew this, mister expert of History!

            “India did in fact put up a fantastic resistance to Islamic invaders”
            Bangladesh,Afghanistan,Pakistan and huge swaths of Muslims dominated Areas in North India suggests otherwise.. a resounding victory of a small Turkish army over millions of people!

            “The fact that the Mughals had to start employing Rajputs, Jats, and others is proof of the fact that they couldn’t build an empire on their own”
            I love how you turn pathetic subservience of Rajputs as something to be proud of.. what next? British Raj Soldiers were honourable people?

            “the mighty Europeans couldn’t stop the ottomans”
            Except, the ottomans could never conquer all of Europe.

            First Hindi was in fact created through government policy
            I know that! I was simply telling you how worthless&hollow artificial languages are. Naturally made languages are much more important&long lasting than artificial ones.

            Because it has more speakers
            Cockroach language has the most speakers in earth.. i’m pretty sure it still is just as uselss as your mughal language Hindi.

            higher prestige
            Only Mughal slaves with inferiority complex think speaking a language other than their own mother tongue is “prestigious”, There’s nothing more prestigious for me than to speak Tamil in the refined&purest way possible.

            leads to higher income, produces more academic literature, has more words, and is used for universal communication”
            Can’t argue with these but Tamil is an ANCIENT classical language right next to Sanskrit, so English isn’t superior but simply more resourceful for the time being, but your simian tongue Hindi isn’t either resourceful or Classical, Its practically useless for everyone.

            Amazing how you cry about your “heritage” being belittled
            Amazing how you cry about me rude when you’re the one telling me that i don’t know anything, that i’m a racist, that i’m a chauvinist. ALL because i snapped at a moron who belittled MY Tamil! you don’t see that of course! because in a way for you its justified to insult Tamils but when they lash back they’re being chauvinists&racists! Go to hell with your double standards!

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            I’m not a “Hindi People”. Hindi isn’t an ethnic group but a language spoken by many people of different groups, with differing viewpoints. So your assertion that “Hindi People” are insulting Tamil is ludicrous. One person on a comment section says something and you become angry about “your” Tamil. You start than to not only generalize all speakers of Hindi, but than go on to insult the whole history of Northern India, and also questioning India’s very existence. So stop crying as though you were a victim. You are just as bad as that Hindi Chauvinist. And you damn well know it. I’m not even a native speaker of Hindi, in other words I had to learn it. But still I don’t insult entire languages based on its “Purity” and “naturalism”.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            My exposing your lack of historical understanding isn’t “being condescending” but a fact. I am not the one insulting you, stereotyping people, and making up false narratives. You are doing that. Just listen to what you are saying and tell me who the bully is. What ever a “Bimaru land is” you surly aren’t one who is being respectful. So stop complaining you “hotblooded male”.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            You claimed that the quantity of Moslems in India can be attributed to the failures of the armies of Northern India. In other words, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Kashmir are Moslem because of forced conversions. But the reality is that Sufism was employed to speed up conversions. This was the case in Kashmir where Sufism was dominant until recent times when the Salafi, Wahabi and other extremist sects replaced the native hybrid Sufism. Only a minority of conversions were due to force and mainly due to Sufism, economic, and political gains. This is according to the historians Dr. Richard Eaton, and Romila Thapar. Now the picture that gives is this-Majority converted by Sufis, today’s quantity of Moslems is attributed to high birth rates and occasional conversions. Those points only reinforce the point I had driven home earlier, but you failed to understand. You were busy bragging about the “military prowess” and “masculinity” of a “hotblooded” Tamil peoples. The anti-conversion laws are completely irrelevant when it comes to the reality, as that has stopped nothing, look at Mizoram, Tamil Nadu, and so on with high quantity of Christians.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            The Turkish people never invaded India. There were Turks but not Turkish peoples/armies. Turks are an ethnic group whereas Turkish is a nationality, if you cannot differentiate these very divergent concepts than you need to stop talking about it. Turks were only ever a minority and had the most miniscule impact on India compared to the Afghans, and Mughals. The Turkic tribes were known as turushka in Sanskrit and were only mentioned a few times as pillagers and nomadic invaders, not stationary, that is according to the history by Kalhana.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            The employments of Rajputs doesn’t negate their Bravery, but is reflective of their political disunity. The Rajputs were always tribal in their structure, and all colonizers knew this. As for the Indian soldiers in the British Army, those were the same people who mutinied against the British when time came, and served in the INA with Subhash Chandra Bose. Those were also brave men. There were real warriors unlike “hotblooded” keyboard warriors. Until you’ve waged a war, fought a battle and seen your loved ones slaughtered in war, don’t talk about bravery behind a computer.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            It is strange that you call artificial languages as hollow and inferior to natural languages. I am now under the assumption you’ve never actually dealt with the field of linguistics. Sanskrit was a synthetic language which was formed from the Vedic language. Sanskrit literally means refined, and properly formed. How is Sanskrit inferior? It is regarded as one of the most advanced languages in history. There is a good reasons that it was used for academia throughout India/Bharatavarsha. Sir William Jones, like many scholars, praised the Sanskrit language as being more refined than the worlds leading academic languages like Latin and Greek both of which were natural. BTW Russian was a standardized language, from old Slavonic, so is it inferior in your eyes? Look at the Global status of Russian, Engilsh, French and compare that with Tamil, Gujarati, Kashmiri, and Hindi. Tell me what is powerful, more superior?

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            The Mughal’s never spoke Hindi. If you acknowledge that Hindi was the product of Government policy, that of modern India, than why do claim it to be a Mughal langauge. It was not even a language in Mughal India. The Mughals never spoke Hindi. They Spoke Persian, and only when the Maratha destroyed their might did they gradually start speaking a local language known as Hindustani, the mother of Hindi and Urdu. I didn’t know cockroaches spoke a language, however who should know better than an insect himself. I’m sorry that was rude, perhaps you prefer “hotblooded 23 year old”. You are busy insulting speakers of Hindi and other language by calling them “cockroach languages but cannot even tolerate a little criticism of Tamils. You are so insecure.

          • BenDoverUranus

            Could you reply to me AT ONCE rather than 200 times? its rather annoying to read your drivel in bits&pieces!

            than why do claim it to be a Mughal langauge
            Because the “Hindi” i’m referring to is what people ACTUALLY speak and which comes under the umbrella of “Hindi dialects”, they use copious amounts of Farsi words, no doubt an influence of the Mughal clergy!

            “Hindi isn’t an ethnic group but a language spoken by many people of different groups”
            I don’t give a DAMN about what you consider as an ethnic group or not, don’t insult my ethnic group, you Hindi simian!

            So stop crying as though you were a victim
            NO, stop acting like YOU are the victim here! The most rude thing i ever said to you personally was a “Shut up” and then you came up with condescending prattle about me being racist, chauvinist, uneducated,dmk supporter and whatnot!

            There is no goodwill in your discussion if the only thing you want to do is antagonise me!

            You expect everyone bow before Tamil and give it importance like that of Sanskrit
            Actually, you lobotomised simian YES, yes i do! Tamil is Classical Language just like Sanskrit,Greek&Latin. Of course ruffians like you have no idea what a proper classical language even is and go on to disregard and insult it!

            Look at the Global status of Russian, Engilsh, French and compare that with Tamil, Gujarati, Kashmiri, and Hindi. Tell me what is powerful, more superior?
            Tamil is superior because its a LIVING Classical language and also has cultural heritage and official status in countries outside of India.

            but than go on to insult the whole history of Northern India
            I’m sorry but what i listed was facts.. the history of North India is pathetic! sorry if facts hurt but Turkish invaders(yes i call Turks Turkish!) completely dominated North Indian fortress and spread their influence far&wide which is clearly visible even today.

            minority of conversions were due to force
            economic, and political gains.
            Err.. economic&political gains is considered force, especially when a poor man who can’t pay Dhimmi Taxes so he converts BY FORCE.

            historians Romila Thapar
            HAHAHA that revisionist sickular is your trusted “historian”!? no wonder why you are the way you are.. you don’t have to say anything.

            My exposing your lack of historical understanding
            The only thing you exposed here was your dysfunctional neurons.

            you surly aren’t one who is being respectful
            It is just a fact, Bimaru land exists Ashish bose created it! go look it up, also why should i be respectful towards someone who is antagonising me!?

            and also questioning India’s very existence
            I can’t do that? why? is it sacrilegious to do so? I’m sorry but not only has the 70 yr old Country failed to provide a dignified life to billions of people but it has also suffocated the ethnic freedom of Tamils to the point that being protective of one’s ethnic group is considered “ethno-centrism” and just so you know most of the countries on Earth are based on ethnic groups and common languages VERY VERY unlike India.

            Turks are an ethnic group whereas Turkish is a nationality
            Nations&Ethnicity are synonymous, there is no such thing as an “Indian Nation” only Indian country which consists of many nations. if you cannot differentiate these very divergent concepts than you need to stop talking about it! ZING!

            Afghans, and Mughals
            As if Mughals&Turks are different things hahahahaha yes babar came from japan i believe! you sure a history expert!

            and required local recruits indicates that India was mightier
            No, it simply means you need more lackeys to administer India.. being subservient to foreign invaders is not a proof of strength! Get real, you moron!

            This is an exemplary of northern India’s might
            Or the lack thereof, and considering the amount of land lost to Muslims i’d say its the latter.

            those were the same people who mutinied against the British when time came
            NOT EVERYONE was Bhagat Singh in fact those that “Caught” him were disgusting British slaves, if every single solider mutinied India would’ve free of Brits a century ago!

            Until you’ve waged a war, fought a battle and seen your loved ones slaughtered in war, don’t talk about bravery behind a computer.
            AS if you’re a military Veteran to lecture me! FYI I am a son of a Military Vet who fought 2 Wars, bravery is literally in blood.

            You are busy insulting speakers of Hindi and other language by calling them “cockroach languages
            You goddamn illiterate i said Cockroach languages has more speakers just like “insert whatever your language” i didn’t DIRECTLY call them cockroach languages. I was simply retorting your dumb point of having more speakers in a language makes it superior which it doesn’t!!

            little criticism of Tamils
            Hate speech is not criticism..

            There were Turks but not Turkish peoples/armies.
            Why yes! just there were some Tamils led by Cholan who invaded Indonesia but not the Tamilian peoples/armies.

            I’m not an extremist Dravidan fascist supporter of DMK and other bigoted parties
            Good! neither am i! i support only TAMIL parties, parties that support the cause of Tamils NOT dravidian shravidans.

            I don’t care to know what defines a “Classical language”
            Way to “flaunt” your stupidity, i don’t care what you have to say about languages when you don’t even know what a Classical Language is! Munda is a goddamn tribal language, Tamil is an Ancient language WITH a rich literary history THAT is what makes a “Classical language”, you uncultured bimaru savage!

            Tamil is on par with
            Linguists have already decided what Tamil is “on par” with and its not any of the contemporary languages, Its a Classical language.

            but the second it is put into place you get mad
            And when i put you Bimaru Mughal slaves into place you get mad! Ohh i’m being rude. i’m this&that.. get lost!

            You routinly insult other languages, cultures, and people all the while expecting respect
            “Routinely” you illiterate! i merely “Put” those in place who insult Tamil.. it can include their culture,race, ethnicity, blood group! I don’t really give a damn.

            I have no interest in maintaining a conversation
            That much is very obvious, you’re just here to antagonize me and vent at me not have a rational&civil conversation because something i said to someone else has offended you deeply(good!).

            I would like to say good day sir, and goodbye.
            You can’t just Vent at me for 10 replies and say “Good day sir”, Go to hell, you simian!

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            It appears your right-wing trolling has yet to end. Yes Romila Thapar is a good historian, despite her leftist bigotry and lies. She is far more qualified in historiography than you will ever be. I read the works of all prominent historians like Dr. Koenraad Elst, Dr Alain Danelou, Dr. Michael Witzel, Dr. William Durrant, Dr. Shashi Tharoor, Dr. Shreedhar, and so on. I respect all those who can contribute to rational historical discourse, not ideological extremism like you do. I’m not driven by emotional cries the way you are. So your claim that I am venting is nonsense. I wouldn’t waste a gram of emotional considerations for an internet troll who needs to flaunt his “masculinity” to assert some kind of legitimacy in a historical discourse. Who do I think are the best historians of India? I would say Koenraad Elst, Sitaram Goel, Ram Swarup, Sanjeev Sanyal, and Shashi Tharoor among others. They all have good qualities, some more than others. I acknowledge that, because unlike you I am not an ideological propagandist.

          • BenDoverUranus

            Oh and BTW you’re Blocked, mister BIMARU! i have had enough of your Trolling.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            I have not initiated any personal insults against your person, the way you have done to me and others in your “argumentation” or more accurately, rants. I call you a chauvinist, because you write as one. You have an unfounded sense of supremacy of Tamil Culture and language, which is a form of chauvinism. You have an arrogant perspective of racial and ethnic groups that are different from yours, and you denigrate them for that, that is racism. Both of those are forms of bigotry, as well as your dehumanizing pseudo scientific insult of “simian”. It is strange you deride your enemies as monkeys, all the while you claim to be a victim. It was General Zia Khan who compared Bengali people as a whole as monkeys, and Hindus among them as Jews. That same general is responsible for the Bengladesh genocide which killed millions, and saw the raping of hundreds of thousands of women. 85% percent of the victims are believed to have been Hindu. But never mind the genocide, it appears you fancy racist and historically dehumanizing terms to justify your racist position. I don’t call you a racist because I am trying to insult you, it is simply because you are a racist. I have not once insulted the culture or history of Tamils, just put it in perspective of History. And you cannot tolerate that. You want Tamils to be glorified the way Hitler wanted Nordic Blondes to be glorified. I just don’t practice that form of supremacists bigotry for any human or groups of them. And you better get used to that.

          • BenDoverUranus

            have not initiated any personal insults against your person
            Not a second later:-
            “I call you a chauvinist”
            Yeah, totally not a personal insult. I love my mother tongue and my heritage and do not tolerate insults towards it, if that’s chauvinism, racism&bigotry then so be it!

            It is strange you deride your enemies as monkeys, all the while you claim to be a victim
            It is strange that i only did that when i was provoked yet you accuse me of being the aggressor.. Keep antagonising me, it only proves you’ve got no goodwill. I have not exactly insulted the culture or history of North India, just put it in perspective of History. Oh and yes YOU specifically are a simian!

            “I’m not driven by emotional cries the way you are”
            Yet you got so offended by my months old post, that you HAD to pick a fight with me and constantly antagonise me. Yeah you’re a wise savant who’s totally not driven by emotions, i can see that! How does the old saying go? “Mirror mirror who’s is the wisest of them all?”

            It appears your right-wing trolling has yet to end
            Of course! when you can’t come up with rational&reasonable arguments in a civil manner, you call me a Troll. Despite the fact that YOU were the one who replied to my months old post to someone else with a belligerent attitude. You ARE venting, you aren’t here to discuss with me in a civil manner! you’re merely here to echo your own words and deride me as much you can your limited vocabulary.

            who needs to flaunt his “masculinity” to assert some kind of legitimacy in a historical discourse
            Your inability to comprehend basic English is amazing, but then again what can i say to anyone who is so full of himself. That was my reason for lashing out at that Hindi guy, its not as much “Masculinity” being superior or anything as much as it is just a state of being.

            First off, you’re not having any discussion here! you’re just beating a strawman of my arguments and coming up revisionist arguments and other loads of nonsensical arguments that go nowhere(all just because i “insulted” North Indian history or something).

            You have an unfounded sense of supremacy of Tamil Culture and language
            No, i have a very well founded sense of pride of Tamil culture&language, not exactly “Supremacy”.

            Everything that was internationally known about India and all that she is famous for is due to the Aryan peoples. Philosophy, morality, ethics, culture, Yoga, science, mathematics, reason, linguistics, phonetics, grammar, etymology, architecture, art, culture, music, history, and so on were pioneered by them. Not Tamils
            Speaking of actual supremacy, the irony is scathing! Nevermind the historical fact that world has also known a lot about Tamil art, culture, architecture and ethncs. BIMARU centric Aryan supremacists like you are the best! Just ignore everything Tamil milieu has ever done conclude that Tamils are insignificant and “Aryans” are superior.

            The majority of intellectualism undertaken in what today is Tamil Nadu is done by Tamil Brhamins aka the Aiyers or Aryans again
            Oh, so i’m an Aryan now? I’m sorry, but we are proud Tamils no matter what Varna or Jati! What is the National Dance of India? Oh yes its a TAMIL Brahmin Dance! Its not “Aryan” just because we’re Brahmans.That’s now how it works!

            Most of South East Asia has influence of Sanskrit and Pali, not of Tamil language
            That’s because Sanskrit is a religious language, hell Rajendra Cholan who did go to Singapore has half his name in Sanskrit and patronised Sanskrit BECAUSE it was&Is a religious language. Tamil didn’t have the luxury of being as such. Despite that fact, Tamilians had more of an impact on South East Asia than BIMARU hindi people who were landlocked&strife ridden.
            .
            Everyone says Namaste and does Yoga in the world, nobody does greetings in Tamil
            Its NAMASKARAM in Sanskrit not “Namaste” which is a lowbrow Hindi word popularised by bollywood and the overabundant population of BIMARU people that outsiders communicate with, Tamils are only 5% of India but still foreigners who do come&invest in T.N do pick up the words like “Vanakkam”, Padma Lakshmi is also a very successful NRI actress FYI and M.Night Shayamalan is a mayalali, but its obvious you want to act like majority people in North India is more important in your view.

            But why can you not accept that Tamil isn’t a Global language and culture?
            WHERE DID I EVER SAY THAT TAMIL IS A GLOBAL LANGUAGE&CULTURE!? Stop beating on my Strawman and look back at what i ACTUALLY wrote.

            It was the Aryan Yoga that the world practices not Tamil
            Despite the fact that Indus valley civlization already had Yoga way before Sanskrit speakers entered India.

            You have an arrogant perspective of racial and ethnic groups that are different from yours, and you denigrate them for that, that is racism
            Racism denotes to Skin colour but whatever! i don’t insult anyone UNLESS my ethnic group is insulted.

            You want Tamils to be glorified the way Hitler wanted Nordic Blondes to be glorified
            Nice take-down of my Strawman there! Despite the fact previously you worded it yourself as:-
            “You expect everyone bow before Tamil and give it importance like that of Sanskrit”
            To which i simply replied “YES, YES I do”, somehow you interpret my simple “YES” as “i want it glorified like Hitler” there’s no end to your disingenuity.

            Just deal with the reality that “classical languages” are only modern constructs
            So is Radiocarbon dating&The theory of Evolution. Radiocarbon dating is the most scientifically accurate way to date things and evolution is what biology stands on. You can’t just callously disregard an entire branch of linguistic science just because it doesn’t suit your worthless personal views where Tamil is nothing less than insignificant because GOD forbid its special or something.

            You have at no time engaged in intellectualism, only in insulting remarks, and false claims
            Wow, golly gee mister! that’s nice psychological projection coming from a belligerent, condescending simian with baseless arguments beating on strawman and laughable interpretations of history for ex:Rajput subservience as “Bravery” some comedian you are.

            I don’t believe in that.
            Like as if reality cares what you believe or not.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            Everything that was internationally known about India and all that she is famous for is due to the Aryan peoples. Philosophy, morality, ethics, culture, Yoga, science, mathematics, reason, linguistics, phonetics, grammar, etymology, architecture, art, culture, music, history, and so on were pioneered by them. Not Tamils. The first treatise on grammar and the theory of it was pioneered by Aryans, not Tamils and Dravidians. It was the Vedic philisophy and her descendents that dominated India not Tamil. It was the Aryan Yoga that the world practices not Tamil, because they did not invent it. The greatest epics of India was in the Sanskrit literature not Tamil. The Mahabharata and Ramayana among others was Aryan and Sanskrit. Not in Tamil language by Tamil people. The greatest intellectuals have been Aryans. The majority of intellectualism undertaken in what today is Tamil Nadu is done by Tamil Brhamins aka the Aiyers or Aryans again. But I do not deny much has been done by Tamils. I do not deny that Tamils have achieved much. Because unlike you I am not a racist. I see history as it was. Everyone says Namaste and does Yoga in the world, nobody does greetings in Tamil. I’ve travelled the world and have a bachelors in history from America (Benedectine university). When everyone things of India they think of Aryan acomplishments not Tamil ones. THE most famous Indian are Aryans: Gandhi, the Buddha, Zubin Mehta, Freddy Mercury, Valmiki, Kaliasa, Tulsidasa, Abhinava Gupta, Hirthik Roshan (Punjabi), Salman Rushdie (Kashmiri), Aishwariya Rai (South Indian Bunt/Rajput), and so on. This doesn’t negate the achievements of Tamils, but only goes to show that they aren’t even the greatest people in India, just one of the many great people. Why is that hard to accept? India was once a great land, now it is poor and not prosperous. I can accept that. Northern India was colonized and butchered I can accept that. But why can you not accept that Tamil isn’t a Global language and culture? Why don’t you accept that all people have achieved great things and have dark pasts also. Tamils aren’t unique or exceptional, they are like the rest of India.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            I’m not even a native Speaker of Hindi, like I stated above, but you couldn’t understand. I’m a mix of Gurkha, Gujarati, Parsi, Bania, Rajasthani, Punjabi, and yes Tamil Aiyer. I’m proud of all parts of my blood, and take great pride in my pan Indian ancestry. Why are you such an arrogant bigot and obsessed with Tamil Supremacy? Look at the state of Tamil? The only reason that Tamil is recognized is because they have migrated to places like Singapore, Sri Lanka, and so on. Not because the culture and language of Tamil has had a major impact on these cultures. Singapore’s name comes from Sanskrit. Most of South East Asia has influence of Sanskrit and Pali, not of Tamil language. Please don’t tell me that one language is better than another. I don’t believe in that. Langauge is just a medium of human speech. And the reality is that Engilsh and french are the Dominant global languages. Tamil, like Gujarati, and Kashmiri are not global mega languages. Just accept the reality. I have not shame in admiting the truth, why do you?

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            Just deal with the reality that “classical languages” are only modern constructs. They are different only because of historical impact and time of dominance. You have at no time engaged in intellectualism, only in insulting remarks, and false claims. Good bye now, I think this should be enough for you to read, and reflect. If it is not, than I don’t know what to say to you.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            Again I’m not a native Hindi speaker, and I don’t believe that it is superior, not is any language. I’m not an extremist Dravidan fascist supporter of DMK and other bigoted parties. I don’t care to know what defines a “Classical language”. But the fact is, Sanskrit is on par with Latin and Greek in academia, whereas Tamil is on par with English. Historically Sanskrit was the language of learning, and held the status in India that Latin does in Europe. Tamil is another ancient but purely ethnic language in the country. Munda is as old as Tamil, if not older, but it belongs to an ethnic group, not to the world or nation. You ethnocentrism and Tamil supremacy is proof that it is not a language on par with Latin or English which has pan ethnic and pan global usage. Tamil is on par with Japanese, Gujarati, and Marathi etc, in that it is the language of a certain people. Sanskrit was created by academics for academics, and was utilized universally, not by one ethnic groups. Even the Tamil emperor Rajendra Chola promoted Sanskrit academia, and built Sanskrit colleges. No non Tamil had done that for Tamil. Just deal with history and facts. I’m not being hypocritical, you are. You have one standard for Tamil and Tamils, while all together a separate one for non Tamils. You expect everyone bow before Tamil and give it importance like that of English and Sanskrit, but the second it is put into place you get mad. You routinly insult other languages, cultures, and people all the while expecting respect. That his a double standard. If you don’t want to accept it, that is your problem.

          • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

            I would like to say good day sir, and goodbye. I have no interest in maintaining a conversation with an arrogant and insecure youth who flaunts his age like a child, and his “hotblooded” masculinity like a per-pubecent boy who is being reminded that he is only a child.

          • BenDoverUranus

            Hey Prashant chutiye what’s the alternative word to Asli&Naqli!?

    • sampradaahak

      Aiyer saab, what you are indicating at is technically ‘Hindustani’ (what Gandhi wanted for India, and had it). pure Hindi without the urdu-faarsi-turki-arabi (& now english) mish-mash is a very different thing. an instance of it is the poems of the poet ‘Dinkar’. if am not wrong, he used to despise urdu & would say that urdu is the language of the ‘tavaayafs’.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        Dinkar is correct. Devanagari Urdu aka Hindi is the argot of Mughal Bazaars and Brothels.

        • sampradaahak

          yes, does seem so. but, ‘Hindustani’. 🙂
          sadly, in casual day-to-day talk, eventually that is what we’ve replaced Hindi with (with English as additional ingredient in the mix).

          • SuchindranathAiyer

            Listen to the rant in any Mosque in India or any news channel in Pakistan and tell me whether you understand it or not. Urdu is the white skull cap on every “Hindi” speaker’s head. Whether visible or not. Wuite right too. For like ancestral “Hindi” Speakers, Urdu was born in the Bazaars and Brothels of Islamic Kingdoms and Empires.
            Urdu is Hindi, when politically modulated or propagated by Bollywood with Dawoodi finance and Political encouragement, and written in Devanagari ..

        • राजनैतिज्ञ PoliSci

          The Mughals did not speak Hindustani, they used Persian in their courts. Please stop with your ignorant lies all over this comment section.

          • SuchindranathAiyer

            Urdu is Hindi, when politically modulated or propagated by Bollywood with Dawoodi finance and Political encouragement, and written in Devanagari . Listen to the rant in any Mosque in India or any news channel in Pakistan and tell me whether you understand it or not. Urdu is the white skull cap on every “Hindi” speaker’s head. Whether visible or not. Wuite right too. For like ancestral “Hindi” Speakers, Urdu was born in the Bazaars and Brothels of Islamic Kingdoms and Empires.