Aryan Invasion Myth: How 21st Century Science Debunks 19th Century Indology

New evidence comprehensively debunks the 19th century’s colonial Aryan Invasion Theory and its late 20th century refinement, the Indo-Aryan Migration theory.

The Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) needs no introduction. It is the bedrock upon which Indian history has been written. Its central thesis has three main components:

  1. India’s original inhabitants were “dark-skinned” Dravidians, who built a peaceful, highly developed, near-utopian urban civilization in western India and present-day Pakistan: the so-called Harappan or Indus valley civilization.
  1. India was invaded and conquered from the West by a nomadic people called the Indo-Aryans around 1500 BCE. These Indo-Aryans were of European origin (hence white-skinned), and spoke Vedic Sanskrit. They destroyed the indigenous Dravidian civilization, subjugated the natives, and forced them to migrate to India’s South.
  1. The Indo-Aryans then composed the Vedas, and imposed Hinduism and the caste system upon the hapless Dravidians and other indigenous peoples of India.

First propounded by Max Müller, the AIT has been regarded as self-evident since the 19th century. In the late 20th century, it was refined into what is now known as the Indo-Aryan Migration theory (IAMT). According to this model, the Indo-Aryans migrated into India rather than invaded it, which nevertheless had the same effect on the indigenous peoples: their subjugation and the imposition of Indo-Aryan religion (Hinduism) and culture.

The opposing view: Indigenous Aryans

The opposing view, known variously as the Indigenous Aryans theory (IAT) and the Out of India theory (OIT), rejects the AIT/IAMT (henceforth AIT). It posits that the Indo-Aryan people and their languages originated in the Indian subcontinent and that the Indus valley civilization (Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization) was the Vedic civilization, not a Dravidian civilization as claimed in the AIT.

Proponents of this theory cite archaeological evidence of civilizational and cultural continuity, and Indian literary sources such as the Puranas, the Mahabharata and the Ramayana – which contain extensive genealogies of kings that date back thousands of years – and which mainstream scholars reject as mythology.

The question of the origin of the Indo-Aryans has become the most controversial, emotive, and polarizing debate in India today. It pits these two diametrically opposing narratives against one another.

Scientific inquiry is the only way forward

The scientific method requires researchers to take a theory seriously until it can be irrefutably demonstrated to be false using systematic observations, carefully controlled and replicable tests and experiments, scientific techniques, the application of logic, and hard evidence. Science is not concerned with narratives, ideologies, beliefs, dogma, or opinions. Science deals in empirical or measurable evidence and in hard facts. Conclusions are drawn based on scientific evidence, and can change in the face of new evidence.

While India’s history textbooks continue to teach antiquated and unscientific 19th century concepts and ideas well into the 21st century, the world has moved on.

The interrelated fields of population genetics, comparative genetics, archaeo-genetics, genomics, and genotyping have made it possible to gain an unprecedented insight into the nature of human genetic diversity. These are rapidly evolving disciplines, which, in the coming years and decades, will revolutionize our understanding of how our species evolved. These advances in genetics, as well as new archaeological investigations, have brought forth new evidence and presented us with new facts.

What is the new evidence? What new facts have emerged? Let us find out.

How old is Indian civilization? Archaeological evidence

Radiocarbon dating has demonstrated that Bhirrana, a site on the banks of the now-defunct Sarasvati River, existed in the 6th millennium BCE (8,000 years before present). A more recent study proves that Bhirrana and other settlements in the Sarasvati valley are at least 9,500 years old, and possibly older [1].

Bhirrana, the oldest known Harappan site, is at least 9,500 years old.

Bhirrana, the oldest known Harappan site, is at least 9,500 years old.

Sarkar et al’s study found that the Sarasvati was a mighty river along which Indian civilization’s earliest settlements were founded. It states that the monsoon declined monotonically after 5,000 BCE, gradually weakening the Sarasvati, which is known to have eventually dried out to a large extent around 1,500 BCE. The Harappan civilization thus gradually deurbanized due to declining monsoons, rather than collapsed abruptly. Smaller settlements continued, and eventually dispersed toward the Himalayan foothills, the Ganga-Yamuna plain, Gujarat, and Rajasthan.

These results were obtained by studying just one site on the Sarasvati’s dry paleo-channel. More than 500 such sites are known to exist along the ancient river’s course, and there may be many more. Investigating more sites will give a better idea of the age of the civilization and possibly demonstrate that it is even older.

The seasonal, intermittent Ghaggar-Hakra River is what is left of the once-mighty Sarasvati.

The seasonal, intermittent Ghaggar-Hakra River is what is left of the once-mighty Sarasvati.

Dating the Rig Veda using Sarkar et al’s study

The Sarasvati is extensively mentioned in the Rig Veda, India’s foundational literary text. It is referred to as “greatest of rivers”, “glorious”, “loudly roaring”, and “mother of floods”. This clearly refers to a mighty river in its prime, not one in decline.

This falsifies the AIT account that the Rig Veda was composed after a purported Aryan invasion/migration circa 1,500 BCE, and indicates that it was composed closer to 5,000 BCE when the river was last in its prime per the results of Sarkar et al’s study. This raises serious questions about the AIT’s validity.

India’s “mainstream” historians dismiss the Rig Veda as mythology. This is a naive and subjective assumption that betrays an unscholarly bias on their part. If the Rig Veda is mythology, then so are Herodotus‘ fanciful and inaccurate Histories. Herodotus, however, continues to be cited as a reliable historian. This smacks of double standards. The Rig Veda is certainly less fanciful than Herodotus’ Histories. Moreover, it is a veritable treasure that gives us the earliest literary insight into human society and thought. As such, it must be taken seriously.

Archaeology demonstrates Indian civilization’s continuity

The renowned archaeologist Professor B. B. Lal, whose distinguished career spanned more than half a century, refutes the AIT, based on his extensive archaeological discoveries and research. He asserts that there is no evidence for warfare or invasion, and that the theory of Aryan migration too is a myth. He further states that “Vedic” and “Harappan” are respectively literary and material facets of the same civilization.

In his book “The Rigvedic People: Invaders? Immigrants? or Indigenous?”, Professor Lal gives extensive archaeological evidence that many of the traditions and customs prevalent in the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization continue to exist in modern India [2]. He demonstrates that Yoga, the Shiva-linga-cum-yoni, the use of vermilion (sindura) in married women’s hair partition, the use of spiraled bangles among women in Haryana and Rajasthan, the folk tale of the thirsty crow, the Namaste greeting, Lord Shiva’s trident, and many other aspects of contemporary Hinduism and Indian culture originated in the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization. Similar evidence is provided in Michel Danino’s seminal work “The Lost River: On The Trail of the Sarasvati” [3].

This refutes the theory that the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization was destroyed and supplanted with a “foreign” Hindu culture and civilization, and proves that modern India is a continuation of that ancient civilization. Dr. Vasant Shinde, another internationally renowned archaeologist, concurs.

Nausharo, Baluchistan: Female figurines with vermilion at the parting of the hair, c. 2800 BCE.

Nausharo, Baluchistan: Female figurines with vermilion at the parting of the hair, c. 2800 BCE.

Genetic evidence demolishes the Aryan Invasion Theory

The science of genetics has revolutionized the study of ancient history and given researchers an unprecedented ability to uncover the details of humanity’s past. India has lagged behind in genetic research, and the government of India has in the past prohibited foreign researchers from collecting genetic samples of Indians. This restriction has been removed of late, and, as a consequence, a new picture of Indian history is emerging.

Consider the following:

  1. This research paper demonstrates the absence of any significant outside genetic influence in India for the past 10,000 – 15,000 years [4].
  1. This research paper excludes any significant patrilineal gene flow from East Europe to Asia, including India, at least since the mid-Holocene period (7,000 to 5,000 years ago) [5].
  1. This research paper rejects the possibility of an Aryan invasion/migration and concludes that Indian populations are genetically unique and harbor the second highest genetic diversity after Africans [6].

These three research papers demolish the AIT. They conclusively and irrefutably prove that there was no Aryan invasion circa 1500 BCE.

This is just the beginning of the revelations.

The family that conquered the world … originated in India

In genetic terminology, a “haplogroup” is a group of individuals that share a common ancestor with a particular genetic mutation. A haplogroup pertains to a single line of descent which typically dates back several thousand years. In other words, a haplogroup is a large, extended family or clan, all of whose members have a shared ancestry. There are two types of haplogroups: Y-chromosome (patrilineal) haplogroups, and mtDNA (matrilineal) haplogroups. Haplogroups are identified by letters of the alphabet (A, B, C, etc.) and sub-groups are denoted by letters and numbers (A1, A1a, etc.).

The Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) haplogroup R1a1a (also known as R-M17) is the world’s most successful extended family. Its members number in the high hundreds of millions, possibly over a billion. It is widespread across Eurasia, with high concentrations in Russia, Poland and Ukraine, as well as in the Indian subcontinent and the Tuva region of Asiatic Russia.

R1a1a is closely associated with the spread of Indo-European languages across Eurasia. In India, R1a1a is identified as the haplogroup that represents the Indo-Aryan people. It records an uninterrupted lineage of males, from father to son, all of whom have descended from one common male ancestor.

Distribution of haplogroup R1a1a (purple) in Eurasia.

Distribution of haplogroup R1a1a (purple) in Eurasia.

This research paper demonstrates that the R1a1* haplogroup, which is found throughout Eurasia, originated in India [7]. Here, the * refers to all subgroups of the parent haplogroup R1a1.

The R1a* haplogroup which originated in India is at least 18,000 years old [7].

The R1a* haplogroup which originated in India is at least 18,000 years old [7].

This more recent study published in 2015 confirms and refines the results of [7], demonstrating that the oldest examples of the haplogroup R1a are found in the Indian subcontinent and are approximately 15,450 years old [8].

This is a momentous discovery. It proves that:

  1. The R1a haplogroup originated in India.
  1. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago.
  1. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today – a very large fraction of humanity – are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago.

This discovery demonstrates the close genetic (and hence linguistic and cultural) affinity of Indians with the Russian and Polish people, the Vikings and Normans, and with the ancient Scythians and Tocharians, among many others.

This is irrefutable scientific proof that not only did the Indo-Aryan people originate in India over 15,450 years ago, but also that they expanded out of India and settled in lands far to the west in Europe. It thoroughly invalidates the AIT and IAMT.

Contextualizing contradictory genetic studies

While I have presented several research papers that invalidate the AIT, I would be remiss if I did not mention here that some other genetic studies claim that the AIT is correct. How does one interpret this?

The answer is simple: None of these other studies has been able to disprove the results of [7] and [8], namely, that the oldest examples of the haplogroup R1a are found in the Indian subcontinent and are at least 15,450 years old. None of them has been able to find older examples of R1a anywhere else in the world.

As long as the results of [7] and [8] stand, the AIT remains invalidated.

The myth of the Aryan-Dravidian divide and the ‘high caste’-‘low caste’ divide

The supposed Aryan-Dravidian divide is a myth. This Nature report, which cites three genetic studies, demonstrates that most Indians are genetically alike, belying the hypothesis of an Aryan-Dravidian dichotomy [9]. Other studies have also demonstrated that people in north India are no different from those in the south and that all share the same genetic lineage.

The R1a1a haplogroup is found in high frequencies in north Indians as well as south Indians, in tribal communities, and in ‘low castes’ as well as in ‘high castes’.

Claims that the Dravidians belong to a separate, non-Hindu civilization are also discredited by ancient Tamil Sangam literature, which dates back to c. 300 BCE. The Mahabharata is mentioned in the oldest Tamil Sangam literature. The Vedas and the Ramayana are also mentioned in Sangam literature. Sangam literature mentions the whole of India, starting from lands to “the north of the Himalayas”, which contradicts the claim that the Dravidians were confined to the south of India.

The above evidence, taken together, demonstrates the genetic and cultural continuity of India from the north to the south, and proves that the artificial concepts of the “Aryan-Dravidian divide” and the ‘high caste’-‘low caste’ divide have no basis in fact.

Literary Evidence for Westward Indo-Aryan expansion

Consider the Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra, a Vedic text. Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra 18:44 records:

“Amavasu migrated westward. His people are Gandhari, Parsu and Aratta.”

This refers to a Vedic king called Amavasu, whose people are the Gandhari (Gandhara – Afghanistan), the Parsu (Persians) and the Aratta, who are tentatively identified as living in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat, which is located in Turkey (eastern Anatolia) and Armenia.

Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra 18:44.

Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra 18:44.

Afghanistan (Gandhara) was historically part of the Indian civilization until the Islamic invasions. The name “Persia” comes from the ancient Parshva people (an Aryan clan). The word “Parshva” is derived from the Sanskrit/Avestan (Old Persian) word “Parshu”, which means “battle-axe”. There are clear linguistic and cultural similarities between India and Persia.

 paperThe traditional Armenian name for Mt. Ararat is Masis. It is named after the legendary Armenian king Amasya. The name “Amasya” is linguistically related to the name “Amavasu” of the Indian king recorded in the Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra. This establishes literary evidence for the westward expansion of Indo-Aryans, via Afghanistan, to Persia, Armenia and Anatolia.

The German Indologist M. Witzel and the Marxist historian Romila Thapar have in the past misinterpreted this passage to mean that Amavasu migrated eastward, which caused a heated controversy.

Archaeological Evidence for Westward Indo-Aryan expansion

The ancient kingdom of Mitanni, located in present-day Syria and Anatolia, had an Indo-Aryan, Sanskrit-speaking ruling class. Mitanni kings had Indo-Aryan names.

The Mitanni kingdom, located in present-day Syria and Anatolia.

The Mitanni kingdom, located in present-day Syria and Anatolia.

The oldest recorded (Vedic) Sanskrit words are found in a horse training manual by a Mitanni horse master named Kikkuli. Although the text is written in the Hittite language, it appears that Kikkuli was not familiar enough with that language to use technical terms, which made it necessary for him to use the terminology of his own language (Vedic Sanskrit) instead.

Horse master Kikkuli's horse training manual, notable for its Vedic Sanskrit terminology.

Horse master Kikkuli’s horse training manual, notable for its Vedic Sanskrit terminology.

Inscribed clay tablets discovered in Boğazkale, Anatolia (Turkey), record a royal treaty & invoke the Vedic gods Indra, Mitra, Nasatya & Varuna as witnesses. The Boğazkale clay tablets are dated to c. 1380 BCE. This is around the same time as Kikkuli’s horse training manual.

Hittite capital city Hattusa, near Boğazkale, where the clay tablets were found.

Hittite capital city Hattusa, near Boğazkale, where the clay tablets were found.

Mitanni king Tushratta (Sanskrit: DashaRatha)'s letter to Pharaoh Amenhotep III of Egypt.

Mitanni king Tushratta (Sanskrit: DashaRatha)’s letter to Pharaoh Amenhotep III of Egypt.

The Mitanni belonged to the Indian-origin haplogroup R1a1a. This is clear evidence of a large-scale westward expansion of Sanskrit-speaking Indo-Aryans, and their presence as the ruling aristocracy in lands thousands of kilometers west of India. This quashes the asinine claim that the first speakers of Sanskrit were Syrians, a claim that would be laughable were it not portrayed as serious journalism in a mainstream publication.

Genetic Evidence for Westward Indo-Aryan expansion

Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present [10]. Several haplogroups were involved in this demic expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata.

This indicates military expansion. Conquest.

This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous.

The children of Goddess Danu.

The primordial Rig Vedic river goddess Danu is the mother/progenitor of the Danava clan of Indo-Aryans. The Danavas revolted against the Devas, and were eventually defeated and banished. As it turns out, that was far from the end of their story.

The word dānu means “fluid, drop” in Rig Vedic Sanskrit. The Avestan (old Iranian) word for “river” is “dānu”. The Scythian (Saka/Shaka) & Sarmatian words for “river” are also “dānu”.

Now consider this: linguistically, the names of the European rivers Danube, Dnieper, Dniestr, Don, Donets, Dunajec, Dvina/Daugava, and Dysna are all derived from the Rig Vedic Sanskrit root word “dānu”. These rivers flow across eastern & central Europe. These rivers, all named after the Rig Vedic goddess Danu, seem to trace the gradual westward migration through Europe of the Danava clan of Rig Vedic Indo-Aryans.

So where did the Danavas eventually end up?

According to Irish & Celtic mythology, the Irish & Celtic people are descended from a mother goddess – a river goddess – called Danu. The ancient (mythological) people of Ireland are called the Tuatha Dé Danann (Old Irish: “The peoples of the goddess Danu”).

Is there genetic evidence to support this story? As it turns out, there is. The R1a1a haplogroup is rare in Ireland, at 2.5% of the population. This can be explained by the fact that Ireland has suffered many invasions since the Bronze Age, which would have led to the gradual replacement of the R1a1a haplogroup with those of the various invaders. The fact that R1a1a is still present in Ireland proves that people of Indo-Aryan origin settled there in the past.

What the mountain of new evidence indicates

It is clear that there is layer upon layer of archaeological, literary, linguistic, and, most importantly, genetic evidence that forms a consistent, repeated, and predictable pattern that debunks the Aryan Invasion Theory and supports the Indigenous Aryans Theory. These layers of evidence, taken together, paint a vast canvas and prove that:

  1. The Indo-Aryan people and languages originated in the Indian subcontinent.
  1. The Vedic civilization and the Indus valley civilization (Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization) are one and the same.
  1. The Rig Veda was composed closer to c. 5,000 BCE when the river Sarasvati was last in its prime, than to c. 1,500 BCE when it dried out. This makes the Rig Veda a strong candidate for being the world’s oldest known literature.
  1. Rather than being a religion of invaders, Hinduism is indigenous to India and has its origins in the very beginning of the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization.
  1. North Indians and South Indians are genetically and culturally alike. The Aryan-Dravidian divide is a myth; it has no basis in fact. The ‘high caste’-‘low caste’ divide also has no basis in fact.
  1. Indian civilization is a continuous, unbroken tradition that dates back to the very beginning of the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization, at least 9,500 years before present. This makes India not only the world’s oldest civilization, older than Mesopotamia and Egypt, but also the world’s oldest continuously existing civilization. This makes India the true Cradle of Civilization.
  1. Indo-Aryans carrying R1a1a lineages expanded westward thousands of years ago, conquering and populating territories as far west as Europe. They were the most successful conquerors in human history. Their descendants are the Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Macedonians, etc.), the Scandinavians, and many others.

In other words, the new evidence comprehensively debunks the 19th century’s colonial Aryan Invasion Theory and its late 20th century refinement, the Indo-Aryan Migration theory.

Will the new evidence set the controversy to rest?

The question of the origin of the Indo-Aryans concerns the very idea of India. It pits two diametrically opposing narratives against one another.

The mainstream AIT/IAMT narrative, which portrays Indo-Aryan (Hindu) culture as hegemonic, racist, intolerant, rapacious, and inegalitarian, imposes an Indian version of “white guilt” on persons of Indo-Aryan ancestry, and engenders deep resentment and a desire to right historical wrongs among persons of Dravidian and “Dalit” ancestry – which manifests itself in various forms such as separatism and rejection of Hinduism and Indian culture, among others.

This makes the AIT a powerful political tool which dovetails perfectly with the leftist, ‘secular’, and ‘liberal’ political narrative, as well as with the agendas of Dravidian nationalists, Dalit supremacists, missionaries, separatists, and other “Breaking India” forces, internal as well as external. As such, it has long been used to neatly divide India into dichotomous categories such as North and South Indians, Aryans and Dravidians, the fair skinned and the dark skinned, ‘high castes’ and Dalits, the privileged and the oppressed.

It is difficult to overstate how much the AIT has strengthened the leftist narrative. The left/secular/liberal ecosystem derives much of its strength and power from its decades-old stranglehold on Indian academia, especially in the humanities (but also in other fields). Leftist academics staff or control most of India’s humanities departments. Leftist historians and academics monopolize academic discourse in India and marginalize dissenting voices. The leftist clique has ensured that every school, college, and university textbook teaches the AIT.

India’s education system discourages students from asking questions and thinking on their own. This conditioning makes them accept the leftist narrative without question. As a consequence, several generations of Indians have grown up and spent their lives hating, or, at the very least, feeling ashamed of their culture and heritage.

The AIT gives leftist academics the ideal rationale for denigrating Indian culture, exhorting ‘lower caste’ students to reject Hinduism and rebel against ‘the establishment’, encouraging female students to reject Hinduism for being patriarchal and misogynistic, calling into question India’s right to exist as a nation, and supporting anti-national and separatist movements, all on academic and scholarly grounds. This is the modus operandi by which several generations of unquestioning and impressionable students have been indoctrinated and recruited into the leftist movement.

The AIT also gives India’s ‘liberals’ and secularists the perfect justification for promoting hatred and intolerance toward Indian culture while at the same time claiming to be liberal and progressive.

The AIT is thus the academic premise underpinning the entire spectrum of methods the various “Breaking India” forces employ to attack India’s culture and undermine India’s integrity. It is their trump card. Take it away, and they have nothing else left.

It is therefore vitally important for them that this theory remains the dominant narrative in India. This is the reason why, instead of investigating the Indigenous Aryans Theory (IAT) using all means available, India’s leftist historians and academics have for decades dismissed it out of hand as “Hindutva”. This is why they decry any attempt to alter the status quo (such as modernizing history textbooks) as “fascism” and “historical revisionism”, and why they have marginalized scholars such as the distinguished archeologist B. B. Lal, whose immense body of work has never been allowed to make it to Indian textbooks.

I therefore expect India’s “eminent” leftist historians to either ignore the results of the research papers and studies cited herein (as they have largely done thus far), or to respond with cherry-picked data and flawed logic as has long been their wont.

Some attempts to raise questions about the validity of genetic studies have already been made. Consider this opinion piece, wherein Romila Thapar declaims that genetics and DNA analysis are “not of much help to social historians” as, according to her, “Aryan is a social construct and therefore genetic information is unlikely to be useful unless the parameters defining the groups for analysis undergo some rethinking” [11].

Her Eminence could not be more wrong. The term “Arya” (which is anglicized to “Aryan”) is an ethnic self-designation, not a “social construct”. It is one that both the ancient Indians and Persians used for themselves. Ethnicities are ideally suited for genetic investigation. If there is any confusion about the meaning of this term, it is because ideologues like Thapar have used their academic positions to systematically obfuscate its real meaning and give it political and ideological color.

This article [11] is typical of India’s leftist academics: devoid of original research, based on other people’s work, presents a subjective opinion rather than hard results, and uses far-fetched and convoluted logic to make biased and untenable arguments that are unsupported by scientific evidence.

The way forward: India must take ownership of research

It is well-established that India’s population is genetically unique and harbors the second highest genetic diversity after that of Africa. Research into India’s genetics has not been given much importance and is still in its infancy. Much of it is authored by foreign authors and conducted from outside India. This must change. India must take ownership of the research into its past, the same way China has done for itself. In order to achieve this, India must do the following.

First, India must conceive and launch a large-scale project whose objectives are:

  1. To establish a detailed catalog of the genetic variation in India’s population.
  1. To correlate Indian genetics with those in other regions of Eurasia.
  1. To map migration patterns in and out of India.

To do this, India needs to develop world-class genetics research groups and establish state-of-the-art genetic testing laboratories. At present, Indian researchers have to send genetic material abroad for testing.

Second, the DNA of skeletons found in Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization sites such as Rakhigarhi must be analyzed in order to determine their ancestry and genetics. Although there is undeniable evidence that the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization is the same as the Vedic civilization, its genetics are the one missing piece of the puzzle. If the R1a1a haplogroup is detected in these skeletons, it will end the debate over the civilization’s origins and language, once and for all.

DNA from four such skeletons was extracted in 2015 and the material was sent to South Korea for DNA testing. The results were expected to be published in 2016, but have not yet seen the light of day. Research such as this must be prioritized and fast-tracked.

Third, the well-known technique of forensic facial reconstruction should be employed to recreate the faces of individuals whose skeletons have been found in various Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization sites, so that we may learn what our ancestors looked like. Many of these skeletons are kept in various museums throughout the country. Forensic facial reconstruction is a routine, straightforward and inexpensive technique which has existed for decades, and which was recently employed to reconstruct the face of Richard III of England. It is inexplicable that the ASI has not done this yet.

Fourth, Indian textbooks must be modernized. They must be expunged of the blatant leftist slant that has plagued them for decades. History textbooks especially need to be decontaminated. Education must be based upon hard facts and scientific evidence; it must not be allowed to be used as a political tool.

Finally, the leftist choke-hold on Indian academia must end. The leftist clique has succeeded in propagandizing generations of otherwise intelligent Indians, conditioning them to unquestioningly buy into their fringe narrative. Its institutionalized sophistry has indoctrinated countless students into supporting Pakistan’s stand on Kashmir and China’s stand on Tibet and Arunachal Pradesh, championing separatist and anarchist movements, and questioning India’s right to exist as a nation.

Education and academia must deal in knowledge, not narratives. Knowledge must remain pure, it must not be allowed to be influenced by ideology and politics. This requires large-scale systemic reforms, which is a topic for another article.

In Conclusion

There is now a mountain of scientific evidence that proves that the Aryan Invasion Theory or its migration version is a myth. It is fiction. It belongs in the big league of unscientific theories (which some still believe in), alongside creationism, anti-evolutionism, the myth of Noah’s ark, and flat earth theory.

The evidence shows that India is much more than a nation. It is the world’s oldest civilization.

India wasn’t born in 1947. Our great civilization was born at least nine and a half millennia ago according to archaeological evidence, and fifteen and a half millennia ago according to genetic evidence. The records of our great ancestors’ deeds are lost, destroyed in the fires and the depredations of the past millennium. The least we can do to honor our ancestors is to strive to rediscover the truth about them.

Who were the first Indians? When did they first arrive in India? Where from? What were their lives like? What was their society like? How did ancient Indian civilization evolve? What knowledge did they possess? What kind of science did they have? What discoveries did they make? What technologies did they develop? How did they build the largest ancient urban civilization the world has ever seen? What did they call their great cities? What language did they speak? Did they really develop a proto-democracy thousands of years before the Greeks? What kind of future did they envisage for India? What lessons can we learn from them?

These are the questions our “eminent” historians have not deigned to ask for the past seven decades. These are the answers we must seek, in order to rediscover our roots and understand who we really are.

The truth is out there. Its clues lie buried under our footsteps, scattered in our languages and our literature, and hidden deep in our DNA. Science is the key. We now possess the know-how and the technology to investigate and unravel the mystery. It is time to utilize it.

India’s rediscovery of its past has only begun. Exciting times are ahead.

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  • mohan

    (1). I had read about ‘bhasmasura’ in the stories of puranas. But in reality there exist place namely ‘yana’ (in karwar district) where ‘bhasmasura’ got burned to ashes. There, around half K.M of distance, the mud color is ash like black, smooth like ash.
    Refer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yana,_India

    (2). Again after ravana could not get complete shiv linga from earth, he threw part of it which fell at “murudeshwara”, other one at sajjeshwara. This temple of “sajjeshwara” is just 2 k.m. from house in karwar, where devotees go to this temple on shivratri. The temple of “murudeshwara” is around 45 km from my house.

    Like that many evidences exist in India, at many places, for the stories of puranas.

  • kalyanaraman

    Can anecdotal Indian Summer monsoon studies validate or falsify half-baked Vedic/Aryan migration theories?

    It appears that anecdotal summer monsoon studies reported in the following URL ignore the archaeologically attested realities of continuous settlements (e.g. Bhirrana from 7th millennium BCE), other hydrological information related to perennial Himalayan rivers and the impact of events such as aandhi or ongoing plate tectonics.which keep the Himalayan ranges in a dynamic state. To assume that climate changes alone can explain peoples’ migrations appears to be an article of faith in such studies trying to buttress Indo-European lingustic doctrine and related Aryan Invasion/Migration speculations indulged in by indologists. Are these instances of pot calling the kettle black — the calling couched in ‘scientific’ jargon?

    http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/12/e1701296.full The Indian monsoon variability and civilization changes in the Indian subcontinent Gayatri Kathayat1, Hai Cheng1,2,*, Ashish Sinha3, Liang Yi4, Xianglei Li1, Haiwei Zhang1, Hangying Li1, Youfeng Ning1 and R. Lawrence Edwards2
    See all authors and affiliations

    Science Advances 13 Dec 2017:
    Vol. 3, no. 12, e1701296

  • izraulhidashi

    C’mon though… we can’t say it hasn’t been funny watching a bunch of ignorant idiotic white racist lunatics go around unknowingly calling themselves “Indo-European Iranians” for years. Those idiots even made it a prison Gang out of it. I don’t care who you are or where you come from…, that shit is just comedy!

    That’s exactly what they get, for 1. being shitty racist assholes, in general, and 2. for not researching facts in general. Who knows…, with any luck, in 20 years they’ll be calling themselves, the “Aryan Zulu Nation” so we can keep on laughing, only harder.

    There’s just something about seeing racist white Americans yelling they love America while calling themselves Iranians and giving German salutes that tickles my funny bone. lol

  • Barros Serrano

    Aratta may have been discovered, but not in Anatolia. It is likely represented by the site of Jiroft, in southern Iran, being excavated. It is part of a complex of cities recognized as being older than Sumerian civilization. They used Elamite script, which was used in Elam to record a language related to Dravidian.

    I wish I had more info on this… it is only now being revealed. I hope for more evidence to be exposed now.

  • Deepak Chandra
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  • Shadi Katyal

    Aryan invasion theory was long bunked but fact remains that we do have European and Russians from steppes blood in our genes. Recent Harappa genetic studies show that majority of us has Southern blood which one can call Dravidian if one wish but original migrants from Africa and other elements in DNA are called Baluchi counting area from Iran onward and also some East Asian genes from China etc. There is no doubt that there was migration from steppes as the climate change and people kept migrating.. The horse was introduced by migrants from what is today Kazikstan etc. We need honest research and not tied own to national good will. In this article there is no mention of tectonic plates movement, the true cause of Sarswati disappearance.

    • Dharma Republic

      100% incorrect. Studies prove no African DNA in any Indian population.

      • Shadi Katyal

        I suggest you kindly do some research and not this one liner mean your inability to accept the study of the world. No wonder Naipaul called Wounded Civilization. The day we Indian start accepting the truth,an enigma, we might move ahead.
        Did you read recent DNA Harappa tests????

        • Dharma Republic

          Yes. Did you read the above studies mentioned in the article?

          ‘No African components in Dravidian speakers, even in Andhra Pradesh where Y-DNA haplogroup T frequencies are highest. West Eurasian diversity is derived from the more diverse South Asian gene pool.”(Metspalu, Gyaneshwer Chaubey et al, AJHG, Dec. 2011)

          “Genetic differentiation was high and genetic distances were not significantly correlated with geographic distances. Genetic drift therefore probably played a significant role in shaping the patterns of genetic variation observed in southern Indian tribal populations. Otherwise, analyses of population relationships showed that Indian populations are closely related to one another, regardless of phenotypic characteristics, and do not show particular affinities to Africans. We conclude that the phenotypic similarities of some Indian groups to Africans do not reflect a close relationship between these groups”

          • Shadi Katyal

            I also suggest that you should see BBC production of Greatness of India as Story of India and you will find a village in the South whee DNA tests correlated with African DNA. Dont forget that India is vast continent and migration and integration has been part of it. Are we afraid to admit that we have such blood in our DNA as our cast system forbids us even to think of it. Let the Truth Prevail if you can understand what is truth. I recognise that dark colour of our people is another enigma as per matrimonial advertisement etc.Will Hindutva be impure if such DNA bood is part of our nation.
            True Harapa DNA test did not go deep in to find so called southern blood being part of African and if such tests are done, we will find that Indians are not any superior genes but part of the rest of the world. WHEN RELIGION IS MIXED IN ANY STUDY,TRUTH IS THE FIRST VICTIM

          • Dharma Republic

            Lol’ I trust actual genetic studies over the past ten years along with archeology. There was one migration out of Africa and all non African lineage come from India. There has been not one single study that proves Indians have African lineages they do not.

            Indians are one genetic race.

            Yes Indians are part of the world. But the Aryan Dravidian theory is of a Christian origin not Indians. It’s Christians that state white skinned people come from the lineage of Shem and Jacob and brown people are from the low caste of Canaan and ham, it was Christians that proposed a racial social engineering according to their colonial white supremacist beliefs.

          • Shadi Katyal

            I CAN ALSO LAUGH EVEN WITH THE NAME OF YOUR GROUP AND IT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS BUT JUST DEFENDING IN NAME OF FALSE PRIDE.People who are serious discuss and not LOL.
            You claim to have done 10 years studies and yet we don’t even know who you are and how can you prove anything. Did the Christians started Cast system and divided the nation. It has become a habit of us Indians to blame everything on others but never take any responsibility.
            Since you have done this for 10 years , could you give us the true DNA os Southern people. What is term of Indian pure DNA and why no one ever have written about it because they dont like India is your reply.

          • Dharma Republic

            Indian GDP in 1700 was 24% of the world when the Christian occupation ended it was 3%.

            Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity.”
            – Pope Innocent III

            Encisco claimed in 1509:
            The king has every right to send his men to the
            Indies to demand their territory from these idol-
            aters because he had received it from the pope.
            If the Indians refuse, he may quite legally fight
            them, kill them and enslave them, just as Joshua
            enslaved the inhabitants of the country of Canaan.

            The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective, India had the world’s largest economy from the first to the 18th century, with a (32.9%) share of world GDP in the 1st century to (28.9%) in 1000 AD, and in 1700 AD with (24.4%). Income went from 24.4% in 1700, to a low of 3.8% in 1952 during European occupation of India

            righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?” – Bible.

            Hindu Children were flogged and slowly dismembered in front of their parents, whose eyelids had been sliced off to make sure they missed nothing. Extremities were amputated carefully, so that a person could remain conscious even when all that remained was torso and head. Male genitals were removed and burned in front of wives, breasts hacked off and vaginas penetrated by swords while husbands were forced to watch.”
            -Andre Corsalli to Giuliano de Medici Jan 6, 1516:

            Lord Canning (1812 – 1862) Governor General of India from 1856 – 1862 and the first Viceroy in India. “As we must rule 150 millions of people by a handful (more or less small) of Englishmen, let us do it in the manner best calculated to leave them divided (as in religion and national feeling they already are) and to inspire them with the greatest possible awe of our power and with the least possible suspicion of our motives.”

            Alexander Duff (1806-1878) Missionary, founder of The Scots College, in Calcutta:
            While we rejoice that true literature and science are to be substituted in place of what is demonstrably false, we cannot but lament that no provision has been made for substituting the only true religion-Christianity – in place of the false religion which our literature and science will inevitably demolish… Of all the systems of false religion ever fabricated by the perverse ingenuity of fallen man, Hinduism is surely the most stupendous, India was the chief seat of Satan’s earthly dominion”

            Sir Charles Trevelyan, an officer, with the East India Company: “Educated in the same way, interested in the same objects, engaged in the same pursuits with ourselves, they become more English than Hindus…The young men brought up in our seminaries, turn with contempt from the barbarous despotisms, under which their ancestors groaned….Instead of regarding us with dislike, they court our society…the summit of their ambition is, to resemble us.”

            Richard Temple,1883, Missionary: “Thus India is like a mighty bastion which is being battered by heavy artillery. We have given blow after blow, and thud after thud, and the effect is not at first very remarkable; but at last with a crash the mighty structure will come toppling down, and it is our hope that someday the heathen religions of India will in like manner succumb.”

            The Heretics Fork
            This instrument consisted of two little forks one set against the other, with the four prongs plunged into the flesh, under the chin and above the chest, with hands secured firmly behind their backs. A small collar supported the instrument in such a manner that the victims were usually forced to hold their head erect, thus preventing any movement.
            The forks did not penetrate any vital points, and thus suffering was prolonged and death was always nearly avoided. The pointed prongs on each end to crane the persons head made speech or movement near impossible. The Heretics Fork was very common during the height of the Spanish Inquisition.

            The Pear
            The pear was a torture device used on females. This device was inserted into the vagina, or mouth of the victim and then expanded by force of the screw to the maximum aperture setting of the victims cavity. The antrum would then irremediably become lacerated, nearly always fatally, ripping the tissue, flesh and membranes. This item became extensively applied throughout the Spanish Inquisition to force confessions from those accused of Witchcraft. The pointed prongs at the end of the segments serve better to rip into the throat, the intestines or the cervix. Many paid dearly when the Pear was their fate.

            The Branks
            The Branks, also sometimes called Dame’s Bridle, or Scold’s Bridle comprised of a metal facial mask and spiked mouth depressor that was implemented on housewives up until the early 19th century. Many clergymen sustained in this husband’s right to handle his wife, and to use “salutary restraints in every case of misbehavior” without the intervention of what some court records of 1824 referred to as “vexatious prosecutions.”

            1690 ,First offenders were severely whipped, followed by slitting the nose and burning “some part of his face with a hot iron” and even death for those who attacked whites a second or third time. who ran away more than once could be branded with an R on their cheek and might suffer the loss of an ear. Castrating male slaves branding an R on the left cheek of female slaves punished a fourth offense. A fifth could be punished either cutting the tendon in one leg or death.

            Alabama, 1833, section 31 – “Any person or persons who attempt to teach any free person of color, or slave, to spell, read, or write, shall, upon conviction thereof by indictment, be fined in a sum not less than two hundred and fifty dollars, nor more than five hundred dollars.”

            Alabama, 1833, section 32 – “Any free person of color who shall write for any slave a pass or free paper, on conviction thereof, shall receive for every such offense, thirty-nine lashes on the bare back, and leave the state of Alabama within thirty days thereafter…”

            Alabama, 1833, section 33 – “Any slave who shall write for any other slave, any pass or free-paper, upon conviction, shall receive, on his or her back, one hundred lashes for the first offence.

            An 1850 California statute provided that “no black, mulatto person, or Indian, shall be allowed to give evidence in favor of, or against a white man.” In 1854, the Supreme Court of California held that the statute precluded persons of Chinese descent from testifying for or against a white man. “It can hardly be supposed that any Legislature would . . exclud[e] domestic negroes and Indians, . . . and turn[] loose upon the community the more degraded tribes of the same species, who have nothing in common with us.”

            From 1879 to 1926, California’s constitution stated that “no native of China” shall ever exercise the privileges of an elector in the state.” Similar provisions appeared in the constitutions of Oregon and Idaho.

            1866-1947: Segregation, voting [Statute] Enacted 17 Jim Crow laws between 1866 and 1947 in the areas of miscegenation (6) and education (2), employment (1) and a residential ordinance passed by the city of San Francisco that required all Chinese inhabitants to live in one area of the city. Similarly, a miscegenation law passed in 1901 broadened an 1850 law, adding that it was unlawful for white persons to marry “Mongolians.”

          • Shadi Katyal

            Same old winning of glorious past but we live in today world.We could not defend our borders and India one time was the only producer of diamonds and precious stones but thanks to Manu simirti we could not cross the seas and learn any new trade or bring any new genetic pool but we did play Cast system to the hilt and are not ashamed even today treating other human beings as animals. We did give 0 to world but we remained ZERO ourselves.Now we value Bovine better than human lives and rape has become a fashion. We have vigilante who are dictating the Law and Order and you wish to live in the past. did no one ever told you that past is gone and clock cannot be turned. That is why one can call wounded India and wish to talk of glory while people are starving and poverty is on the rise. even in IIT age we have no patents or any kind of production. Our telephone are manufactured by foreigners who spend years on research while we waste our resources on research of Gau Maata Mautar and proud of drinking it. Instead of devoting our duties to find our way to future we are digging our graves to find past. I foe one am surprised to get such material from an educated person who claims to have done 10 years research on Indian DNA. The fact is that we are not willing to workl hard and can survive on blaming rest of the word. India was not the only nation great and suggest read next door Iran history or Greek and Egyptians. We burried Asoka and Buddhism and didnot know whre these stupas and pillars written in Pali came from . We cannot find our own history as all we learn from travelers.
            Wake up my friedn and join the world who is marching ahead and you are stuck on trying to remake a shell while not knowing what will you do. It takes courage to admit what we are and what can we do to move ahead

          • Dharma Republic

            You truly represent this:

            “we need to create Indians in color but white christian in taste and opinion, we need to create a class of Interpretors between us and the people we govern”
            -Thomas Macauley, right wing Christian founder of Indian secular education.

            Your warped colonial induced ideology is easy to explain because there is plenty of evidence of how the Christian crusaders wanted you to think.

          • Shadi Katyal

            I am rather puzzled with your words of colour of Indians. What has Christianity got to do with Macaulay?
            First thing we need to learn how to be a human being and not treat 1/4th of population as untouchable,Dalit,harijans and Schedule cast etc. When Hindus can reform our religion, we might be able to point our fingers on others. We have nothing else to blame others and not even look deeper into our own souls and wonder why we hate and behave like this.
            We have always looked down on people and cast system has played havoc on humanity. While Christianity has taken everyone on equal basis and provided dignity and that is why many adivasi and Dalit has converted to become human beings while we ask another human being not to use our wells and temples. I suggest educated people like you should look deeper into it and see what if any reforms can be done? The christian crusaders do care for human beings soul whereas we Hindus have condemned the child the day he is born due to cast system. I suggest look deep into what is wrong with our religion who survives and Gau Rakshak and Thuggi is back. It was whaite race who abolished SATI

            As for Macaulay is concerned, I noticed that it has become fashion to condemn him while he tried to educate and civilise us but we never did learn and as our own conscious bother us for not ahaving any education system before his introduction of Secular,as you state, eduction but now you wish to teach hate and killings as part of education. Can you tell us what kind of education we had before this and what is next for the nation.
            One has to opem not only eyes to read but heart and conscious to understand the other human beings but alas in the present hate climate and brainwashed from childhood we can only find faults in ohters. India had been great at one time but with present hate and politcal atmosphere, she will be at the bottom of the pile as times have changed .

          • Dharma Republic

            India had Varna Christians had caste. Caste means race.

            “Japheth shall dwell in the ten of Shem and Canaan (black people) shall be his slave”
            -bible.

            Because your history of India was created by the white Christian crusades you have no idea what your talking about.

            “We need to teach false history because they believe in a false religion”
            -Thomas Macauley, right wing Christian who developed Indian education.

            Pope Nicholas V – ”right of conquest to invade, search out, capture, vanquish and subdue all Non believers whatsoever and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions and all movable and immovable goods whatever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery.

            The reason the white Christian church courts people like you is because your their African cannananite slaves who must bow to the White Aryan white skinned blue eyed blonde haired idol of Rome, Christ. While at the same time saying Brahmins came from white Europeans. Your so illogical that you can’t even see the hypocrisy in the above paragraph.

            ……..why do you bow to a white Aryan god?

          • Shadi Katyal

            I should not be shocked with your parting personal remarks and undue insults but than you show typical Hindutva disease of arrogance and ignorance.I bow to no one and not involved with any religion. It is your own debased superstitious life that you try to prove nothing but return to personal attacks. It is a shame that you have failed even to understand what HINDU mean .
            I was under the impression tht we were having an intellectual discussion and will learn from each other but it is shame that people like you are not only Desh drohi but try to pretend to be intellectual.
            Why do you go and bow your hed to a monkey or call an animal your mother but put your own mother when she looses her husband in a Dharamshala in Varnasi. Have you seen the living conditons of those houses and have you read how many of them have to prostitute for living.
            Have seen the othre mother of yours Ganaga Maata how pullated it is and how half burnt bodie flaot down the river.My advise to you is that first be a human being and learn few manners as we;ll rules to debate.
            You are not the foirst one who has shown true colour of Hindutva because your new AVATAR with hands full of blood ,akoibng with yoiu and many is enkpying killing minorities and you call yoursef a human being. When you failed to open your eyws to truth, you decided to get personal WHY becasue you haved no humanity in your soul but HATE

          • Dharma Republic

            You defend those Christian crusaders who brutally enslaved, murdered, raped, tortured, abused non white Christians around the world because the white Christians considered biblically that dark people where slaves of Canaan, where white people could conquer and convert all none white to bow to their God………you call these actions as ‘love’…………and you morally question others. Lol.

            Let me expose your stupidity.

            1. White Christian missionaries say Brahmins are European Aryans and they came from the Middle East and Europe.

            2.white Christians missionaries say Brahmins invaded and enslaved the dark skinned Canaanites known as Dravidians.

            3.white Christians missionaries say Brahmins who came from Europe forced caste onto the dark skinned Canaanites or Dravidians.

            4. White Christian missionaries tell Brahmins you from Europe your are higher because you have European Aryan blood.

            5. White Christians missionaries tell Canaanites or Dravidians you must leave Hindu pagan faith because it was forced on you and you should follow Christ.

            6. Christ, a blonde haired, blue eyed, White skinned, ARYAN.

            Lol.

            7. White Christians missionaries then hide how they starved over 30million Indians to death, they destroyed Indian economy, took GDP 24% to 3%, destroyed all industry, trade, torqued abused those who stood against Christian crusaders, Christians left Indians as beggars……………..the White Christian priest then blame this poverty onto Brahmin priest, and tell then you should accept Christ, a blue eyed blonde haired Aryan God.

            8. Then the same Christian priesthood hides how Christians massacred non believers, Africans, native Americas, South Americans, Australians, Jews, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, atheist, gays, lesbians, they invaded and enslaved every single nation on earth.

            I wonder what Dravidians or biblical Canaanites think when the White church want brown people to accept Aryan Christ, but class those people as Canaanites brown slaves of white Christians as per the bible. How many Indians who have been converted and conned by white Christians have read Christian history in Africa, America, south america?…….

            How many have seen these pictures?

          • Shadi Katyal

            I am neither a christian or faith hater as you are. Your letter is nothing but exclusive show of hate of Christians and their past history but you are unwilling to show the plight of Dalits and refusal to let them enter in temples or use village well. Christianity since than have moved away a lot to humanity . What they did in the past was is not defend able but what we are doing now irks your conscious so you wish to keep living in the past. I could waste my life looking for similar photographs of the past of our in-humanity to 1/4th of the population and unable to accept that.
            Since we are not allowed to convert anyone as it may introduce impurity in Hindutva, we can at least learn to be symptomatic to such poor class. But when mind is set and Manu dictates our lives, we can only pick the worst of all others while hiding under the rock of our spirituality .
            I recognise that any debate with people like you who have no self respect and call others fool etc.shows the ignorance you are showing. I wish you well as I know from practice that arrogance and ignorance are like a perfect fit of gloves on a hand.

          • Dharma Republic

            A person who says the Christian crusaders who brutalised every place, race on earth…….where lovely people only goes to highlight how damaged your so called morals are.

            It’s because of Christian and Islamic colonialist that India is poor, 30millions Indians starved to death by Christians, biggest transfer of wealth in human history from India to Europe, people’s lives, trade, jobs, industry all destroyed by Christians.

            30mikkiin Africans enslaved, 90million Native American killed, opium drugs forced into China, the genocide of native Australians………was due to the love of Christ.

            “we need to teach false history because they believe in a false religion”
            -Thomas Macauley, Christian creator of Indian secular education.

            You people are taught a right wing Christian version on Indian history. The Christian who looted India into poverty, killed up to 40million, that history you don’t know but 1000years of Dalit oppression taught by the church you do know.

            When was the term Dalit created and by who?…….in a Scottish Christian missionary church in India during the 19th century was the term Dalit created by Christian priest the same ones that looted the poor people into poverty.

            So please show me a ancient text that talks about Dalits. Shudra and Dalits are not the same, so you show me the ancient texts and I will expose the church deceit as they did in Africa, America, Australia, China, to Jews, atheist, gays, non believers…..

          • Dharma Republic

            Btw did white skinned blue eyed Aryans Brahmins Impose caste onto the dark skinned Canaanites or Dravidians, if they did then why do so many Dalits bow to a white skinned blue eyed Aryan God of Rome, Christ?

          • C K G Gulia

            To consider but one individual showing the fake ”Dravidian” DNA is but premature. Firstly, many haplotypes have coincided (that too in antiquity). Also more samples are showing DNA from the ANI clade. Hence this debunks the claim of the fake ”Dravidian” notion as it was but one clade from a single individual whilst other samples are beginning to show DNA from the ANI. Also, highlighting facts is not hate.

          • Shadi Katyal

            There is no such thing as fake DNA and this chain of continuous carrying of DNA cannot be faked. Recent Harrpa DNA studies have shown that most of us have Southern DNA plus Europen DNA which the study called Baluchi as taking Iran and other nations.
            Our own history shows that we were ruled by Scythians and other rulers from what is now Kazistan etc.The Aryan theory was not an invasion but transmigration and we cannot deny that there is no pure family in the world as almost all of us have DNA of Lucy, the lady which was named.
            We have to get off the high horse of any purity of Hindus or Indian being PURE race. No other nation is so bound up with so much inferiority complexes that we are trying to prove what is not true.
            Yes historical writing are full of mistakes but DNA is not

          • Shadi Katyal

            there is no such thing as FAKE DNAand recent Harrppa study have shown that most of us have DNA of South and Baluchi or European . If we claim that ANI theory than we should be able to find such DNA all over the world. Why is no such DNA showing in other nations.
            Unfortunately we are trying to prove our superiority which does not exist. No other nation on the earth even today are so hung up with such thinking as we in India.Is this due to our innate inferiority complexes as we on one side claim to be a civilization who WAS superior to rest of the world and yet are the poorest one. Is ther not something in our genes and psyche the cause or are we to blame rest of the world of our own stupidity.
            Is it something in our Karma theory and religious superstitions???

          • Kshitij Tiwari

            You cannot decline something which is based on fact in the name of Hindutva. Braking India forces now know that, they can’t divide Indians untill and unless they misinterpret Sanatana Dharma and make Aryans – invaders. You all are funded by foreigner who know that Indian’s will die but not convert. They tried it once but they were unsuccessful and now they are doing this again with the help of Desh Drohis like you. We always had a Desh Drohi. Because of Desh Drohis India lost.

          • Shadi Katyal

            You are a Brahmani and thus afraid to discuss the truth about Hindutva. Can you explain or just call names to others. The fact is that hide bound people like you who are Desh Drohi. Everything for people with ignorance is foreign.I I will strongly advise learn the history of Man and how they moved from Africa and all over the world.Also learn how Eastern Europeans from the steppe of Russia came to India and started what we call Hindu religion.There was no invasion but regular immigration due to change of climate. Due to enforced and now part of your gene of inferior complexity you can write what makes you feel warm.Sanatam Dharama is
            a word used often but can you explain that since you are from priest class?

          • Kshitij Tiwari

            The History which I owe to my ancestors will never be wiped out by the fanatics. I and other determined Hindu will never let others to take it away from us. It is a commitment. We are the peoples who taught the world Mathematics/Science, etc. Hindutva is a political name by which political parties are alluding and telling the world about the most ancient Sanatana Dharma. Hindus will never let others to distort their history. It is what we owe. Just because you and your family or peoples you work with do not like to live with the history they inherit doesn’t mean you will knock my door and tell me that the history which I admire is not mine because I am an immigrant. No matter from where I came, the temples where we used complex Mathematics, are made by us(Hindus). No one can deny that. We will unite and we will win. The upcoming generation is nationalist and will throw fanatics, mark my words. I follow what my ancestors followed. I will follow Chanakya and contribute to make my Bharat Vishwa Guru. if you deny Chanakya and Akhand Bharat then you’re working with Breaking India Forces. Peoples who oppose the idea of Akhand Bharat and working to break India inspite of dreaming for Akhand Bharat are claiming to be nationalists. Kalyuga. Nobody can finish Dharma. You try, you burn.

          • Shadi Katyal

            I think you have misunderstood my writings which were or are about transmigration.History you are talking about is non existence as we Hindus never kept any records and when after departure of Buddhism we burnt Nalnda and texila we blame Muslims.We talk about Vedas and Purans and yet are unable to give proper translation or any learning about it. we are a wounded civilsation and to this dat are unable to tell what Hinduism is and now we talk of Hindutva. It is that new political group run by RSS,VHP and many such groups who is denigrating the religion for political purposes.
            India at one time the only nation on earth was only multicultural nation. Our faith taught us that we are one village and thus had our doors open to all who came for shelter and they all flourished.We have a culture which no one can even copy but unfortunately we also have a very poor mentality and we keep shouting as your letter talks of what we GAVE TO THE WORLD.We forget that it was past and no one can change the truth and history though RSS and Hindtuva wish to rewrite. Wew are a nation where we didnot know anything about and now we have Asoka seal and Chkara.We cannot deny invaders from many nations and yet we stayed firm in our beliefs but present climate is being created as we are still pawn of other nations. Your own letters show that FEAR and thus afraid of foreigners. Why this inner fear? and that is what RSS,VHP is playing on.

          • Kshitij Tiwari

            hahah! The most amusing comment I’ve ever read. Hindu burn Nalanda. Hindus massacred innocent Muslims, Hindus invaded others territory and what not? You are blaming Hindus for the things done by others? Why target RSS? Are you afraid of them? The main purpose of hired so called historians is to downgrade Hindu culture and Dharma, that’s it. You peoples like Muslims who don’t allow others to practice their religion more than Hindus who believe in diversity. If Hindus wanted that, then they would have done it before, but No! they never did that. You all know that Muslims are asked to kill Kafirs but since you launch Hindu Terror which don’t even exist. RSS will get nothing if BJP will win the elections. RSS is working for the Bharat which they inherit from their ancestors and no communist can stop them. We are proud of our culture and we will revive it. You guys will blame innocents but never question the ‘real’ bad. This is your nature and giving shelter to you is our Hindu nature. BJP is in power because of this biased thinking you people continued from many years. There’s no point talking to you because you are not going to understand because there’s an agenda. Bye.

          • Shadi Katyal

            You can laugh as much you like because ignorance makes you laugh.Your hate for anyone is shown of your pedigree as being Highest cast ,for you everything is a lie. I suggest open your mind to TRUTH by research and reading and not what you have been brain washed from childhood.Here is a question which was in the previous letter. Tell me why was Asoka hidden from Hindu history till British started research. Why for almost centuries there is no name of him because it has threatened your priest class . Similarly Nalanda and Texila were destroyed as was Asoka and Buddhism disappeared from history.
            The question you should ask how did Hindus survived for 1000 year of slavery under Mulsim rulers?Why did even Rajputs not only lost their battles but even converted. Are you aware that biggest number of converts are Patel,Rajputs and Mahrastrians. There are many Brahman class as Gokal and other names. So suddenly you have become brave with lynching and Rapes. RSS is nothing but a terrorist organisation and people like you will hide in your house if there is any fight in your area. Do you recall how your meekness and cowardice gave not only terrorist but millions to Pakistan when a plane was hijacked and it was my kith who sacrificed his life but people like you wet your pants. Do you thing such terrorism of lynching,rape,intolerance and hate will make India shine? Past is forgotten and unless you can bury it India is cursed with such religious acts.You continue to deny because even in this age you are afraid tht your purity cast may disappear.
            This conversation strted with our ancesstors coming from other nations as DNA has shown and came down to such low class discussions. China moved ahead not because of Ciommunist rule as you eleive but decided to put all the past aside and work for the nation while people like you wish to turn the clock back.How many investors are coming to India, it is because of present Law and Order situation. So dremn on RSS and hate and become another Pakistan as we already have Taaliban in name of RSS,BajrangDal.Ram Sena and many more.Buyrn the golden culture fabric first and try to rise of ashes if you can?

          • Kshitij Tiwari

            You won’t blame Muslims but you will blame Brahmins because you think that Brahmins commitd more sins than Muslims, seriously? Some Brhamins did bad to our brothers doesn’t mean every Brhamin is like that. A Brahmin created Akhand Bharat whereas a Brahmin(he called him Pandit) created Pakistan. You will blame a Brahmin for everything because you know that he is the one who is reading the Vedas and if he will forget it then other Hindus will also forget it. You people imposed caste system, we had Varna. Nobody was a born Brahmin, neither Shudra but thanks to you. You made Hindu a religion. I will not trust the history which British or Communist wrote because thy wrote it to make us ashamed of our culture and they knew that this is the way they can break Hindus and India. There are many sins committed but as we say Dharma shall prevail. Ashoka converted to Buddhism 2 years before he attacked Kalinga. Don’t provoke Hindus otherwise be ready for the reaction. If you think that Hindus are still sleeping then you are wrong. You people will admire ISIS and Zakir Nayak but will call RSS terrorist. Such a big hypocrite you are. You peoples always defamed Hindu culture because you wanted to break India. India prospered when Hindus were together. They are still 80% Hindus because they are attached to their culture which is the bond binding us. There’s no point arguing with you. You all have an agenda to defame Hinduism and Hindus. I don’t want to talk about RSS/VHP or whatever. I am here to defend my Dharma. Dharma shall prevail and it will prevail, for sure. No moron can stop Hindus to do that. Vedas will survive and the rich culture and history will be told to every Indian, One Day! Hindu culture is the only culture which makes sense. It accepts everyone. We are nation where 4 major religions exist without any conflict until Christianity and Islam entered. You an’t defame our culture. I know for hypocrites, whatever I wrote is irrelevant. Arguing with a fool will prove that there are two.

          • Shadi Katyal

            It is unfortunate that you are trying to defend yourself namely Brahman or priest class you being part of it but wish to show hatred against everyone. Had the Brahmans not played a role of priest and collected all that wealth in temples,the invaders would not have come .The original invaders were nothing but looters but when Ghouri found after all these invasions that why come back and not settle down,we Hindus gave up our freedom . Where was akhand Bharat at that time.It is well known reality and fact that rulers of any kind will utilise their power to utmost and thus they killed ,maimed and converted at will but what you fail to understand that it was your priest class which created cast system or rather enforced Manu Laws . You even decided to bury Asoka and decided to make Buddhism as a part of branch of Hinduism but in reality what is Hinduism and Akahnd Bharat.Your mind is so closed that you are unwilling to accept foreign writings while we have no written history unless you wish to rewrite in your image .It is people like you unwilling to accept the truth and keep denigrating Hindus. True Hindus believes that world is one village and we are all same but before even Muslim enslaved us,Manu has already started enslaving others and your priest class played and still playing the discrimination part.Since you come from Brahman class tell me if the Hinduism is same as in north and south.We may cal;l ourselves a nation but fact is that we are confederation as no state has same language,clothes,customs and food. So how will you bring Akhand Bharat.
            Grow up and open your eyes even about our motherland as you cannot keep the rest of nation enslaved under cast system and brain washed since you are in our lives from birth to death. Times are changing and that is why you wish to talk of VHP and RSS as those fanatics will save your priest class.Keep the fears of religion and impurity and masses will continue to suffer.
            your inability to discuss Asoka and Buddhism shows that you are more worried about loosing your place as priest and thus wish to continue not only cast system but talk of Hate against Muslims and others. No one has ever denied that
            Muslims invaders did all those crimes and it was British who came and saved Hindus before they were all converted. Good examples are Iran and Indonesia which were converted within few decades and yet you hate everyone not only
            other religions and show xenophobia but our own with cast system. Maybe this whole discussion is beyond you. We started with DNA and who are Aryans but we got to another path. Stay Pure and see that no Mulsim or Dalit shed his shadow on you.

          • Kshitij Tiwari

            You have an Agenda, you work on that. British and you divided us, not Brahmins. Tell me where caste system, Sati and the word ‘Hindu’ mentioned in Vedas. India is a land where we speak different languages, wear different dresses but still identity ourselves as Hindus. Buddhism is a part of Sarmana tradition which is a part of Sanatan Dharma, therefore it is a part(or branch) of our culture. Our culture saved us, not Christians. You call yourself a Hindu but saying everything contrary to Hindu. Traitor in home, huh? There were Hindus in British era who were working as servants for British too. Just because someone is a Hindu doesn’t mean he will downgrade our culture. Hindus are waking up but you still didn’t learn the lesson. Dharma can never be oppressed. History is the proof. Even 1000 years of rule was not sufficient to oppress Hindus and Dharma. Hindus are waking, BJP is winning, RSS will be spreading. What can you do? Afraid? haha! You foreign funded Dog, lying that Christians saved Hindus. What can be more amusing than this? You just made our ancestors shamed who sacrificed their life for the nation. How can a person lie? Saying that British and Muslims were good and Hindus(who burned Nalanda) and Brahmins were evils is a disrespect for out ancestors. Think about them, what would they be thinking right now?
            You say that Hindus fired up Nalanda then tell me who destroyed Temple? Buddhist? Fool! Expect no reply. Talking with a fool will prove that there are two. You are a traitor born fool(not Hindu).

          • Shadi Katyal

            Your letter is pity full as your true nature of HATE is showing from every line and you like other our countrymen has started personal attacks because you have no ability to either learn or read. First of all where are the Vedas. everyone has written they were destroyed by Muslim invaders so you have what fake one? I wonder from your writing that you feel so immature and have so low esteem that you started foul language. I can get down to your gutter level but why when you enjoy being there.
            I have no agenda but it is you who for years being enslaved still have that slave mentality and don’t wish to open your mind and learn but that will threaten your superiority due to birth and not due to knowledge. Buddhism was not any part of Hinduism as you claim because this was threat to your earning and thus first you tried to destroy it and thus buried Asoka for centuries and then decided to call it part of Hinduism. Are you even aware that like language,food and dress same Hinduism is not practiced in India. Hinduism is not a religion though priest class of yours has tried to hold it that way but a way of life.. Your believe and preach of discrimination of humanity in name of cast is there and you cannot deny that over the centuries it is Bahamian like you who have treated 25% of Hindus as inhumane and not allowed to even get water from the well and you call yourself a humane and priest class. RSS and BJP cannot bring any peace in India as long as there is intolerance,lynching,rapes and no justice. Look back how many riots and uprising have occurred since RSS took over and how many innocent people been killed on rumors and you call yourself and RSS as Hindus. I dont have an agenda as you being paranoid think so. As I said before I am a better Hindus than you though your existence is due to being born Brahman and thus must protect your own skin and power. You cannot deny Manu who gave you such inhumane power and yet you claim Vedas but have you ever read or know what knowledge it has or just wish to showoff about Vedas. With people like you and RSS,India will be at the bottom of the cultural society as any nation who can and still does live on vast system cannot reach any heights. Dream on and wait for bloodshed and change of Constitution and flag etc under RSS. After all it is an Italian facist society copy and now claims it to be an Indian. As for your remarks about British, are you not aware that it was RSS who was polishing shoes of British when nation was fighting for freedom. Name one leader who took part. You and RSS are opportunist and thus now in power, you can claim anything you wish but nation is going down hill and being a priest class what do you care? My suggestion to you is simple if have lost all the decency due to lack of much knowledge, I dont think I will reply you if you continue to show your arrogance and ignorance by showing such inferiority complexes by calling names as you are telling the readers that how low you willing to go to just win a point.

          • Lia MirzaBasuRoy

            If you are not a Christian, then why re you defending them for their loot of our country in the name of giving their low class civilisatin?

          • Shadi Katyal

            Your very first words tells me that you are also a religion hater.
            I am not defending but trying to open minds of our countrymen and should learn difference between truth and reality and not carried away to hide our own inability to defend . Are you not aware that when British left,not because of their bankruptcy, she owned India about 2.5 Billion Sterling Pounds. As for their Are you not using make up,electric power,internet the products of low class civilsation

          • Dharma Republic

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          • Ob Shrivastav

            And you say, you don’t follow any religion but believe in humanity. But you think you are qualified more to defend Christian inspite of getting so many proofs to re-evaluate your concepts before adoring Christianity.
            एक कत्ता भी अपने मालिक का (जो उसको रोटी देता है) वफादार होता है, तुम अपनी मात्रिभूमि के प्रति वफादार नहीं हो पाये अभी तक, जिसने तुम्हें रोटी, कपड़ा और मकान सब कुछ दे दिया।

          • Dharma Republic

            The Christian crusaders care? Lmfao.

            “Christianity has been up till now mankind’s greatest misfortune.” Nietzsche

            “Indian Children were flogged and slowly dismembered in front of their parents, whose eyelids had been sliced off to make sure they missed nothing. Extremities were amputated carefully, so that a person could remain conscious even when all that remained was torso and head. Male genitals were removed and burned in front of wives, breasts hacked off and vaginas penetrated by swords while husbands were forced to watch.”
            -Andre Corsalli to Giuliano de Medici Jan 6, 1516:

            Let me ask you when the White Christians took Indian GDP from 24% of the world to less than 3%, did that help the poor? When Christians forced starved 30MILLION Indians did that help the poor?

            “We conquered India as an outlet for the goods of Great Britain. We conquered India by the sword, and by the sword we shall hold it”

            1769–70 Great Bengal Famine Bihar, Northern and Central Bengal 10 million[2] (about one third of the then population of Bengal).
            1782–83 Madras city and surrounding areas Kingdom of Mysore
            1783–84 Chalisa famine Delhi, Western Oudh, Eastern Punjab region, Rajputana, and Kashmir Severe famine. Large areas were depopulated. Up to 11 million people may have died during the years 1782–84.
            1791–92 Doji bara famine or Skull famine Madras Presidency Hyderabad, Southern Maratha country, Deccan, Gujarat, and Marwar One of the most severe famines known. People died in such numbers that they could not be cremated or buried. It is thought that 11 million people may have died during the years 1788–94.
            1837–38 Agra famine of 1837–38 Central Doab and trans-Jumna districts of the North-Western Provinces (later Agra Province), including Delhi and Hissar 800,000 dead
            1860–61 Upper Doab famine of 1860–61 Upper Doab of Agra; Delhi and Hissar divisions of the Punjab Eastern Rajputana 2 million.
            1865–67 Orissa famine of 1866 Orissa (also 1867) and Bihar; Bellary and Ganjam districts of Madras 1 million (814,469 in Orissa, 135,676 in Bihar and 10,898 in Ganjam)
            1868–70 Rajputana famine of 1869 Ajmer, Western Agra, Eastern Punjab Rajputana 1.5 million (mostly in the princely states of Rajputana)
            1873–74 Bihar famine of 1873–74 Bihar An extensive relief effort was organized by the Bengal government. There were little to none significant mortalities during the famine.
            1876–78 Great Famine of 1876–78 (also Southern India famine of 1876–78) Madras and Bombay Mysore and Hyderabad 5.5 million in British territory.[6] Mortality unknown for princely states. Total famine mortality estimates vary from 6.1 to 10.3 million.
            1888–89 Ganjam, Orissa and North Bihar 150,000 deaths in Ganjam. Deaths were due to starvation as famine relief was not provided in time.
            1896–97 Indian famine of 1896–97 Madras, Bombay Deccan, Bengal, United Provinces, Central Provinces Northern and eastern Rajputana, parts of Central India and Hyderabad 5 million in British territory.
            1899–1900 Indian famine of 1899–1900 Bombay, Central Provinces, Berar, Ajmer Hyderabad, Rajputana, Central India, Baroda, Kathiawar, Cutch, 1 million (in British territories).[6] Mortality unknown for princely states.
            1905–06 Bombay Bundelkhand 235,062 in Bombay (of which 28,369 attributed to Cholera). Mortality unknown for Bundelkhand.
            1943–44 Bengal famine of 1943 Bengal 1.5 million from starvation; 3.5 million including deaths from epidemics.

          • Dharma Republic

            Wherever the Christian whire crusaders went they brutalised all. But because you have CONverted by them you are EDUCATED by them.

            “The Spanish Christians treated the American Indians with such rigor and inhumanity that they seemed the very ministers of Hell, driving them day and night with beatings, kicks, lashes and blows, and calling them no sweeter names than dogs. . . . Women who had just given birth were forced to carry burdens for the Christians and thus could not carry their infants because of the hard work and weakness of hunger. Infinite numbers of these were cast aside on the road and thus perished.”

            “They threw into those holes all the Indians they could capture of every age and kind.. . . Pregnant and confined women, children, old men [were] left stuck on the stakes, until the pits were filled. . . . The rest they killed with lances and daggers and threw them to their war dogs who tore them up and devoured them.”

            “Because he did not give the great quantity of gold asked for, they burned him and a number of other nobles and caciques . . . with the intention of leaving no prince or chieftain alive in the entire country.”

            “When the Spaniards had collected a great deal of gold from the Indians, they shut them up in three big houses, crowding in as many as they could, then set fire to the houses, burning alive all that were in them, yet those Indians had given no cause nor made any resistance.”

            “With my own eyes I saw Spaniards cut off the nose, hands and ears of Indians, male and female, without provocation, merely because it pleased them to do it. . . . Likewise, I saw how they summoned the caciques and the chief rulers to come, assuring them safety, and when they peacefully came, they weretaken captive and burned.”
            As for the vast mainland, which is ten times larger than all Spain, even including Aragon and Portugal, containing more land than the distance between Seville and Jerusalem, or more than two thousand leagues, we are sure that our Spaniards, with their cruel and abominable acts, have devastated the land and exterminated the rational people who fully inhabited it. We can estimate very surely and truthfully that in the forty years that have passed, with the infernal actions of the Christians, there have been unjustly slain more than twelve million men, women, and children. In truth, I believe without trying to deceive myself that the number of the slain is more like fifteen million”

            (Devastation of the Indies)

          • Pujita

            Unbelievable! Someone should do a test on this guy’s DNA and we might find a special characteristic: In Denial. And I believe this is a special gene/chromosome that has arisen after years of brainwashing in churches. Christian maggot!

          • Pujita

            He talks of castes, what about the caste segregation that existed in previous Christian Europe? What about the Goan Inquisition that saw rape, pillage and torture of hundreds of native population by the Catholic Church?
            Someone gave you a cock and bul story and bought you over with money and inducements and you continue to sing the glory of the biggest hoax in history of human kind.

          • Shadi Katyal

            Since you have become so personal, have anyone taken your DNA or do you even know aht is DNA?The vry fact yopu accuse me of such as brain washing by churches etc,not true, have anyone told you that people like you are common in our nation who deny TRUTH and you are a good specimen. Can you tell all of us what is DNA ?

          • Milin Patel

            Shadi, I advise you to not waste time with this Dharma Republic. I have interacted with him below. He is a Sanghi nutcase incapable of critical thinking and only ranting conspiracy theories and Macaulay was a devil kind of bullshit…

          • PV

            Moron, the great Indian empires of the past had trade routes established through out SE Asia. Which stupid book did you read?

          • Ob Shrivastav

            A definite case of brain-washed. The Christians are expert and very well funded for it.

          • Shadi Katyal

            How do we have so many people like you who cannot think beyond the inside of box. You are the one with so much inferiority that instead of thinking of future you continue to go back where you have no written history and it has been unfortunately White and Christians who discovered our past like ASOKA.Have you ever thought that maybe we are unfit to face the truth and thus get away with one liner like funded . You must have BRAIN AND CAN THINK INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE HERD

          • PV

            Dear clown,
            Do you know that X-tians and Whites committed rapes, looted India’s wealth and committed slavery?
            No, you do not. It is because your forefathers were busy in white washing their crimes.
            Now, X-tians and Whites did not disclose or reveal my nation’s history moron. Those folks just found what was there in India already. Infact, they should consider themselves lucky for having known about vibrant and superior kingdoms that existed in the Indian continent then.

            Indians knews about their Ashoka, Buddha, Vijayanagara, Rastra Kuta, Chola etc etc. The X-tians and whites, while in India, have allways tried to destroy the civilizational and cultural aspects of the Indian society. For siding with them, your soul should be ashamed.

            The problem is with your education. It did not feed you with enough information and the right perspective to view that information. You are always on your knees slurping on the schlongs of your white X-tian masters. In essence, that makes you a schlong slurper. Lastly, before commenting next time, knock your cranium box real hard on the wall to see if a brain pop out from there. Why? I doubt you ever had one in there.

          • Shadi Katyal

            PV I dont think you need reply as your letters shows your educational and any knowledge. Inida had no trade routes as we were not allowed to cross the sea. Wake up and dopnot show your lack of knowldge

          • PV

            Stupid Shadi…You should reply without bothering about the typo that I made. I have a character which lets me admit my mistake and also take a step to correct it. On the other hand, it is your cheap character that will never change. Moron, again, which idiotic book did you read? Kooran? There were trade routes and sea farers in ancient India. A low life like you gets brain washed with stupid books written by fake historians and their fake research. Dumbo, it is you who needs to wake up. Did your parents educate you enough? Look at your face and go get some real education.

          • Shadi Katyal

            PV I think your inability to write anything but abuses and personal; attacks shows how much ability or knowledge you have . It is well known that people with limited or no knowledge become arrogant and go for [personal attacks as they have niether the dignity nor self respect.So I will not let myself to your gutter level and advise that you first learn manners and how to debate.Good By

          • PV

            Sir, you are a complete coward and an absolute degenerate. Show some character if you have it. Your previous comments are indeed an evidence that you already dwell in a puddle of filth. So, you have no right to lecture on morals. Please cease and desist, feel free to walk off, and spare others of your profound stupidity. Lastly, as you run away, know that you need to learn many things about the history of your counry and it’s civilization. Do not sell your soul completely to the brainwashed bigoted masters. Get your brain checked and get well.

          • Shadi Katyal

            PV i am shocked that how low class person you are and without any discussion or showing any proof of your writing,all you can do is abuse. Is this our Hindu culture? If you had any knowledge as you claim, you would written about it and not shown your pedigree . It is ignorant people like you who have given a bad name to the bad name to the nation. People of low caliber and insecurity and inferiority complexes always attack as have no tolerance to learn anything. Tell me why should I waste time with a person who neither have the manners nor the knowledge. You are a true part of wounded Indian civilization and have no civility

          • PV

            Dear clown, What are you blabbering about? Your comments are just gobbledygook balderdash. Your pathetic attempt to psycho-analyse me is ridiculous and laughable. And, least of all, you are totally ill-equipped to question my upbringing. Whether you believe it or not, even after gazillion rebirths, you will never reach my pedigree. You randomly throw in some phrases like “Hindu Culture” and talk about caliber, insecurity and complex. Is your brain functioning ok? Having lived so long, I doubt you really know what culture mean in the first place. Stop wagging your tail in front of me, go get some education and learn some character. Don’t lecture me about what you do not have in the first place. Honor your words in the previous post, pack up and get lost.

          • Shadi Katyal

            You have failed to touch the true subject except showing your incapability to show me of any proof what you keep[ blabbering/ Except rants AND PERSONAL ATTACKS you have nothing else. Yes I do psycho analysed you and so far you have shown the symptoms of a man who never had earned any thanks and/affection so all that inferiority complexes over the years show up in your mail.
            Let us look at your letters to me which has nothing but showing your lack of any self respect and dignity. It is a shame that psycho like you are allowed such mail.
            I gave my opinion from my reading of many books both Indian and foreign writers but did you come up with any thing on the subject except show your inferiority by shouting and never touching the subject. How could you show any example since you have none.

          • Ob Shrivastav

            Yes, we couldn’t defend our borders. The credit goes to disguised traitors.

          • PV

            Do effing Christians understand the word Jati to begin with? No!

          • Shadi Katyal

            How could they?These people who claim to be wounded civilisation keepers, will try and lie and evb change the figures to convince not you and I but themseklves and thus make up history. Their inner insecurity and fears are only feel secure with lies and nothing else

          • Dharma Republic

            T1455, edict by Pope Nicholas V that grants the ”right of conquest to invade, search out, capture, vanquish and subdue all Non believers whatsoever and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions and all movable and immovable goods whatever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery.

            1690 ,First offenders were severely whipped, followed by slitting the nose and burning “some part of his face with a hot iron” and even death for those who attacked whites a second or third time. who ran away more than once could be branded with an R on their cheek and might suffer the loss of an ear. Castrating male slaves branding an R on the left cheek of female slaves punished a fourth offense. A fifth could be punished either cutting the tendon in one leg or death.

            Alabama, 1833, section 31 – “Any person or persons who attempt to teach any free person of color, or slave, to spell, read, or write, shall, upon conviction thereof by indictment, be fined in a sum not less than two hundred and fifty dollars, nor more than five hundred dollars.”

            Alabama, 1833, section 32 – “Any free person of color who shall write for any slave a pass or free paper, on conviction thereof, shall receive for every such offense, thirty-nine lashes on the bare back, and leave the state of Alabama within thirty days thereafter…”

            Alabama, 1833, section 33 – “Any slave who shall write for any other slave, any pass or free-paper, upon conviction, shall receive, on his or her back, one hundred lashes for the first offence.

            An 1850 California statute provided that “no black, mulatto person, or Indian, shall be allowed to give evidence in favor of, or against a white man.” In 1854, the Supreme Court of California held that the statute precluded persons of Chinese descent from testifying for or against a white man. “It can hardly be supposed that any Legislature would . . exclud[e] domestic negroes and Indians, . . . and turn[] loose upon the community the more degraded tribes of the same species, who have nothing in common with us.”

            From 1879 to 1926, California’s constitution stated that “no native of China” shall ever exercise the privileges of an elector in the state.” Similar provisions appeared in the constitutions of Oregon and Idaho.

            1866-1947: Segregation, voting [Statute] Enacted 17 Jim Crow laws between 1866 and 1947 in the areas of miscegenation (6) and education (2), employment (1) and a residential ordinance passed by the city of San Francisco that required all Chinese inhabitants to live in one area of the city. Similarly, a miscegenation law passed in 1901 broadened an 1850 law, adding that it was unlawful for white persons to marry “Mongolians.”

            1870: Education [Statute] African and Indian children must attend separate schools. A separate school would be established upon the written request of the parents of ten such children. “A less number may be provided for in separate schools in any other manner.”

            1872: Alcohol sales [Statute] Prohibited the sale of liquor to Indians. The act remained legal until its repeal in 1920.

            1879: Voter rights [Constitution] “No native of China” would ever have the right to vote in the state of California. Repealed in 1926.

            1879: Employment [Constitution] Prohibited public bodies from employing Chinese and called upon the legislature to protect “the state…from the burdens and evils arising from” their presence. A statewide anti-Chinese referendum was passed by 99.4 percent of voters in 1879.

            1880: Miscegenation [Statute] Made it illegal for white persons to marry a “Negro, mulatto, or Mongolian.”

            1890: Residential [City Ordinance] The city of San Francisco ordered all Chinese inhabitants to move into a certain area of the city within six months or face imprisonment. The Bingham Ordinance was later found to be unconstitutional by a federal court.

            1891: Residential [Statute] Required all Chinese to carry with them at all times a “certificate of residence.” Without it, a Chinese immigrant could be arrested and jailed.

            1894: Voter rights [Constitution] Any person who could not read the Constitution in English or write his name would be disfranchised. An advisory referendum indicated that nearly 80 percent of voters supported an educational requirement.

            1901: Miscegenation [Statute] The 1850 law prohibiting marriage between white persons and Negroes or mulattoes was amended, adding “Mongolian.”

            1909: Miscegenation [Statute] Persons of Japanese descent were added to the list of undesirable marriage partners of white Californians as noted in the earlier 1880 statute.

            1913: Property [Statute] Known as the “Alien Land Laws,” Asians immigrants were prohibited from owning or leasing property. The California Supreme Court struck down the Alien Land Laws in 1952.

            1931: Miscegenation [State Code] Prohibited marriages between persons of the Caucasian and Asian races.

            1933: Miscegenation [Statute] Broadened earlier miscegenation statute to also prohibit marriages between whites and Malays.

            1945: Miscegenation [Statute] Prohibited marriage between whites and “Negroes, mulattos, Mongolians and Malays.”

            1947: Miscegenation [Statute] Subjected U.S. servicemen and Japanese women who wanted to marry to rigorous background checks. Barred the marriage of Japanese women to white servicemen if they were employed in undesirable occupations.

            1864: Miscegenation [Statute] Marriage between Negroes and mulattoes, and white persons “absolutely void.” Penalty: Fine between $50 and $550, or imprisonment between three months and two years, or both.

            1864-1908: [Statute] Passed three Jim Crow laws between 1864 and 1908, all concerning miscegenation. School segregation was barred in 1876, followed by ending segregation of public facilities in 1885. Four laws protecting civil liberties were passed between 1930 and 1957, when the anti-miscegenation statute was repealed.

            1908: Miscegenation [Statute] Marriage between Negroes and mulattoes, and whites prohibited. Penalties: Punishable by imprisonment from three months to two years, or a fine of between $50 to $500. Performing a marriage ceremony punishable by a fine of $50 to $500, or three months to two years’ imprisonment, or both.

  • AIT of Westerners and Leftist Indian scholars, IAT of Hindutva or fervent Hindus or other theories with other agenda, one has a creeping feeling that the public is led into rival camps for reasons other than seeking truth and knowledge. A L Chavda leads us to believe that Aryan Invasion of India is myth but that ancient Indians were indeed Aryans and that they successfully invaded large tracts of Eurasia thus proving Aryan Invasion of Eurasia ! If Rig Veda is the oldest literary composition of mankind, why is it that Rig Vedic Indians did not record it in a written text, while civilisations at the same time in the Middle East, Egypt and China had a strident script to record their literary creations. It is no doubt gratifying for everyone to believe that his ethnic group is the oldest on earth. Without the genetic testing and verification that Chavda seeks for the archaeological findings on the Saraswati basin, he is willing to go on a limb in making his strident declarations. If one pauses for a while, ignoring his own ethnic origins, and sees the achievements of man in different corners of the world one must feel amazed at the restless spirit of man that has propelled him to wander to all parts of the world gathering, adapting, disseminating both his genetic and socio-cultural traits wherever he has settled down or moved around. Genetic markers and carbon-dating of the skeletal remains of earliest humans show that the origin of man was probably in some part of Africa and several waves of men at different times have left Africa to different parts of the world on very zig-zag routes not excluding even travel back in the reverse direction in certain cases for hazily known reasons, the primary reason being his endless search for food during his early animal phase of existence. Till we have an open mind in appreciating man and his achievements irrespective of his temporary abodes in his long journey over millennia, we are likely to err in making ethno- centric and biassed conclusions. That assuming such biasses don’t exist is a folly, as how the people of the Middle East of the past, the Assyrians (with their great king Asur Banipal) possibly of Semitic origin, despite their own high levels of civilisation (with their arts, crafts and above all their script) were considered as adversaries and as such possibly called Asuras in the Hindu traditions show. Most important of all, Chavda who has theorised the conquest of Eurasia by Indian Aryans around the 5th Millennium BCE has discounted the possibility of Aryans from Eurasia having conquered the Indian subcontinent and its Dravidians much before the 5th Millennium BCE. He ignores the wide variety of linguistic markers like the Baluchi dialect Kraoshti showing Dravidian linguistic traits, the marked absence of castes in the Indian Aryans’ conquered lands of Eurasia, the markedly different traditions of Kerala venerating the so-called Asura King despite his famed generosity, who was killed by the Hindu God in his Vamana Avatara to teach a lesson for no other reason save for his being an Asura. To this day, Kerala has matriarchal lineage with very loose caste system in prevalence unlike the rest of Indian heartland. The earliest Sangam literature was all when Hinduism had well spread all over India despite Buddhism and before it Jainism had been major religions in the South (as it was in many other parts of India as well) and Tamil though very old is not visible in archaeological findings before the birth of Buddha. Human history is far too complicated needing much more scholarship and study for verifying and tracing its genetic, racial, social, cultural, linguistic, religious and other roots, course and inter-ethnic borrowings/dissemination over the ages. Till then, the hazy history can only increase our appetite for truth rather than a hasty conclusion based on ethno-centric pride and/or prejudice.

    • Rajmohan Maruthavanan

      Sir very good analysis about facts. and insistance of unbiassed conclusion. all this theory had started to know about the actual cause of non egalitarian nature of Hinduism which is divided in the name of caste (varnashrama adharmam).
      This varnashrama system divides the hindus into higher class, lower class and untouchable based on non scientific theories called as birth from various part of brahma. supported by various so called Veda which itself is inaccessible to common man. and the Vedas can only be interpreted by one specific community which is always not transparent. which in turn promotes slavery of all lower communities to them alone as per Manusmriti.
      This division in hinduism is against basic humanity and Hindu laws are not same for all Hindus, it is divided in deciding punishment for the same crime to various classes, lower classes will have capital punishment and higher class will have lighter punishment. law of natural justice is different in Hindu.
      answer for all this can be arrived only on scientific conclusion of these theories rather than emotional arguments.

      sir please also go through the latest scientific link and give your valuable comments. thank you.

      http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindu.com%2Fsci-tech%2Fscience%2Fhow-genetics-is-settling-the-aryan-migration-debate%2Farticle19090301.ece%3AlrbcNcH_R4pGYGzYXcBwv5fBREQ&cuid=3111757

  • Veerendra

    Aryan Invasion theory is a British rule creation to undermine the acheivements of the great and oldest Vedic civilization on earth. Indians should support the Out of India theory and should reject the Aryan Invasion theory because Out of India theory is based on Puranic Manvantar history of the Vedic Aryans which describes the cultural continuity and history of Vedic Aryans in India and who were the dwellers of Saraswati-Sindhu culture. Dravidians were Vedic Aryans living South of Vindhyas and had cultural contacts with Vedic Aryans of northern India. Dravidians never lived in Indus valley cities as is falsely claimed in the Aryan invasion theory.

  • gk

    Excellent Article.

  • Rajmohan Maruthavanan
    • Hindu

      .” About India, he said: “In India, you can see, for example, that there is this profound population mixture event that happens between 2000 to 4000 years ago. It corresponds to the time of the composition of the Rigveda, the oldest Hindu religious text, one of the oldest pieces of literature in the world, which describes a mixed society…” In essence according to Reich, in broadly the same time frame, we see Indo-European language speakers spreading out both to Europe and to South Asia, causing major population upheavals.”

      From the link you shared. Rigveda by internal evidence shown much older than 4000 years. So no.

      • Dharma Republic

        The profound mixture was between people within India. Every single Indian be it from Delhi, Tamil Nadu, Punjab, Orissa, or even tribals, …….share the same genetic lineages.

    • gk

      All Indians are migrants is the concluding line, Really. why do we even discuss about AIT AMT etc then. We know all that all humans were migrants from Africa.

      • Rajmohan Maruthavanan

        SIR VERY THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY.

        BUT THE QUESTION IS NOT WHO HAD MIGRATED FROM WHERE? WHO IS THE OWNER OF INDIA? OR SO ON.

        BUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VARNASHRAMA ADHARMAM? OR OTHERWISE SOCIAL INJUSTICE IN THE WAY OF DIVIDING PEOPLE BASED ON BIRTH ITSELF INTO HIGHER CLASS, LOWER CLASS AND UNTOUCHABLE.

        WHO IS RESPONSIBLE IN REFUSING ACCESS TO EDUCATION, FOOD, WATER RESOURCES IN THE NAME OF MANUSMRITI?

        WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SPLITTING THE PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF CASTE AND RULING THEM DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.

        HERE LOT OF OUR FRIENDS QUOTING RIG VEDA UPANISHAD AND SASTHRAS BUT WE WERE NOT GIVEN ACCESS TO VEDA OR SANSKRIT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DOUBLE BORN.
        SOME ONE WERE TALKING ABOUT PERIYAR AND AMBEDKAR.
        ONE THING PLEASE UNDERSTAND, IF THEY WERE NOT BORN SOCIAL EQUALITY EVEN TO THE PRESENT LEVEL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE. THE ENTIRE HIGHER LEVEL BUREAUCRACY, POLITICS, EDUCATION WOULD HAVE BEEN LOOTED BY HIGHEST CASTE PERSON MAKING ALL ANCESTERS OF THIS LAND TO SLAVERY.
        PERIYAR AND AMBEDKAR WOULD NOT HAVE RISED IF THERE WAS EGALITARIAN SOCIETY. THEY HAD COME OUT ONLY BECAUSE OF NECESSITY TO PROTEST SLAVERY IN THE NAME OF VARNAM, CASTE, ETC.

        • gk

          Don’t you think you are moving the goal posts here, once I point that everyone is a migrant equally ? Why blame somebody else. Who made the claims that you make ? Did any group admit that they were the ones who invented varna/jati ? You are misguided by Dravidian propaganda. EV Ramasamy was not saying anything new, just repeating accusations from missionaries. He was not any learned scholar.

        • Dharma Republic

          The Varna system of India was developed into the caste (Christians word for race) system of white Christians who believe white people of Europe are chosen by God above all others and had a devine right to enslave the brown skinned slaves of ham, which they carried out all over the world. It is Christians and Muslims of the Middle East that believe dark skinned people are slaves and white skinned blue eyed people and their idol Christ is higher than anyone else.

          Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity.”
          – Pope Innocent III

          Encisco claimed in 1509:
          The king has every right to send his men to the
          Indies to demand their territory from these idol-
          aters because he had received it from the pope.
          If the Indians refuse, he may quite legally fight
          them, kill them and enslave them, just as Joshua
          enslaved the inhabitants of the country of Canaan.

          Adam Brooks says (Laws of Civilization and Decay, page 259-246): “Very soon after the battle of Plassey (fought in 1757) the Bengal plunder began to arrive in London and the effect appears to have been almost instantaneous. Probably since the world began no investment has yielded the profit reaped from the Indian plunder. The amount of treasure wrung from the conquered people and transferred from India to English banks between Plassey and Waterloo (fifty-seven years) has been variously estimated at from $2,500,000,000 to $5,000,000,000.” The methods of plunder and embezzlement by which every Briton in India enriched himself during the earlier history of the East India Company gradually passed away, but the drain did not pass away. The difference between the earlier day and the present is that India’s tribute to England is obtained by ‘indirect methods’ under forms of law. It was estimated by Mr. Hyndman some years ago that at least $175,000,000 is drained away every year from India without a cent’s return.

          The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective, India had the world’s largest economy from the first to the 18th century, with a (32.9%) share of world GDP in the 1st century to (28.9%) in 1000 AD, and in 1700 AD with (24.4%). Income went from 24.4% in 1700, to a low of 3.8% in 1952 during European occupation of India

          Lord Canning (1812 – 1862) Governor General of India from 1856 – 1862 and the first Viceroy in India. “As we must rule 150 millions of people by a handful (more or less small) of Englishmen, let us do it in the manner best calculated to leave them divided (as in religion and national feeling they already are) and to inspire them with the greatest possible awe of our power and with the least possible suspicion of our motives.”

          “India has been conquered once, but India must be conquered again, and that second conquest should be a conquest by education.” – Max Muller

          “Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?” – Bible.

          Hindu Children were flogged and slowly dismembered in front of their parents, whose eyelids had been sliced off to make sure they missed nothing. Extremities were amputated carefully, so that a person could remain conscious even when all that remained was torso and head. Male genitals were removed and burned in front of wives, breasts hacked off and vaginas penetrated by swords while husbands were forced to watch.”
          -Andre Corsalli to Giuliano de Medici Jan 6, 1516:

          Sir Josiah Child, of the East India company
          “the time was ripe to lay the foundation of a large, well-grounded, sure English dominion in India for all time to come.

          Lord Cornwallis (1738-1805): “Every native of Hindostan, I verily believe, is corrupt.”

          Charles Grant (1746-1823), Chairman of the East India Company: “We cannot avoid recognizing in the people of Hindustan a race of men lamentably degenerate and base…governed by malevolent and licentious passions…and sunk in misery by their vices..”

          Thomas Trautmann, Historian: “Evangelical influence drove British Christian policy down a path that tended to minimize and denigrate the accomplishments of Indian civilization and to position itself as the negation of the (earlier) British Indomania” that was nourished by belief in Indian wisdom.”

          Dr. Claudius Bucchanan, 1790, Missionary with East India Company: “No Christian nation ever possessed such an extensive field for the propagation of the Christian faith, as that afforded to us by our influence over the hundred million natives of Hindoostan. Neither truth, nor honesty, honor, gratitude, nor charity, is to be found in the breast of a Hindoo.”

          George Gogerly, Missionary: “The whole history of this famous god (Krsna) is one of lust, robbery, deceit and murder…the history of the whole hierarchy of Hindooism is one of shameful iniquity, too vile to be described.”

          Gov. General marquis of Hastings, 1813: “the Hindoo appears a being merely limited to mere animal functions, and even in them indifferent……..with no higher intellect than a dog or an elephant or a monkey, might be supposed capable of attaining..”

          Alexander Duff (1806-1878) Missionary, founder of The Scots College, in Calcutta:
          While we rejoice that true literature and science are to be substituted in place of what is demonstrably false, we cannot but lament that no provision has been made for substituting the only true religion-Christianity – in place of the false religion which our literature and science will inevitably demolish… Of all the systems of false religion ever fabricated by the perverse ingenuity of fallen man, Hinduism is surely the most stupendous, India was the chief seat of Satan’s earthly dominion”

          Sir Charles Trevelyan, an officer, with the East India Company: “Educated in the same way, interested in the same objects, engaged in the same pursuits with ourselves, they become more English than Hindus…The young men brought up in our seminaries, turn with contempt from the barbarous despotisms, under which their ancestors groaned….Instead of regarding us with dislike, they court our society…the summit of their ambition is, to resemble us.”

          Richard Temple,1883, Missionary: “Thus India is like a mighty bastion which is being battered by heavy artillery. We have given blow after blow, and thud after thud, and the effect is not at first very remarkable; but at last with a crash the mighty structure will come toppling down, and it is our hope that someday the heathen religions of India will in like manner succumb.”

          The Heretics Fork
          This instrument consisted of two little forks one set against the other, with the four prongs plunged into the flesh, under the chin and above the chest, with hands secured firmly behind their backs. A small collar supported the instrument in such a manner that the victims were usually forced to hold their head erect, thus preventing any movement.
          The forks did not penetrate any vital points, and thus suffering was prolonged and death was always nearly avoided. The pointed prongs on each end to crane the persons head made speech or movement near impossible. The Heretics Fork was very common during the height of the Spanish Inquisition.

          The Pear
          The pear was a torture device used on females. This device was inserted into the vagina, or mouth of the victim and then expanded by force of the screw to the maximum aperture setting of the victims cavity. The antrum would then irremediably become lacerated, nearly always fatally, ripping the tissue, flesh and membranes. This item became extensively applied throughout the Spanish Inquisition to force confessions from those accused of Witchcraft. The pointed prongs at the end of the segments serve better to rip into the throat, the intestines or the cervix. Many paid dearly when the Pear was their fate.

          The Branks
          The Branks, also sometimes called Dame’s Bridle, or Scold’s Bridle comprised of a metal facial mask and spiked mouth depressor that was implemented on housewives up until the early 19th century. Many clergymen sustained in this husband’s right to handle his wife, and to use “salutary restraints in every case of misbehavior” without the intervention of what some court records of 1824 referred to as “vexatious prosecutions.”

          1690 ,First offenders were severely whipped, followed by slitting the nose and burning “some part of his face with a hot iron” and even death for those who attacked whites a second or third time. who ran away more than once could be branded with an R on their cheek and might suffer the loss of an ear. Castrating male slaves branding an R on the left cheek of female slaves punished a fourth offense. A fifth could be punished either cutting the tendon in one leg or death.

          Alabama, 1833, section 31 – “Any person or persons who attempt to teach any free person of color, or slave, to spell, read, or write, shall, upon conviction thereof by indictment, be fined in a sum not less than two hundred and fifty dollars, nor more than five hundred dollars.”

          Alabama, 1833, section 32 – “Any free person of color who shall write for any slave a pass or free paper, on conviction thereof, shall receive for every such offense, thirty-nine lashes on the bare back, and leave the state of Alabama within thirty days thereafter…”

          Alabama, 1833, section 33 – “Any slave who shall write for any other slave, any pass or free-paper, upon conviction, shall receive, on his or her back, one hundred lashes for the first offence.

          An 1850 California statute provided that “no black, mulatto person, or Indian, shall be allowed to give evidence in favor of, or against a white man.” In 1854, the Supreme Court of California held that the statute precluded persons of Chinese descent from testifying for or against a white man. “It can hardly be supposed that any Legislature would . . exclud[e] domestic negroes and Indians, . . . and turn[] loose upon the community the more degraded tribes of the same species, who have nothing in common with us.”

          From 1879 to 1926, California’s constitution stated that “no native of China” shall ever exercise the privileges of an elector in the state.” Similar provisions appeared in the constitutions of Oregon and Idaho.

          1866-1947: Segregation, voting [Statute] Enacted 17 Jim Crow laws between 1866 and 1947 in the areas of miscegenation (6) and education (2), employment (1) and a residential ordinance passed by the city of San Francisco that required all Chinese inhabitants to live in one area of the city. Similarly, a miscegenation law passed in 1901 broadened an 1850 law, adding that it was unlawful for white persons to marry “Mongolians.”

          The charity or gift is the armour in the world,
All beings live on the gift of the other,
Through gifts strangers become friends,
Through gifts, they ward off difficulties,
On gifts and giving, everything rests,
That is why charity is the highest.
          —Mahanarayana Upanishad 63.6

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  • SuchindranathAiyer

    According to Ithihasa: the Druhyus brought agriculture and architecture to the Indo Gangetic Plains from Mesopotamia. They were overlaid by the Aryas in the late Shukla Yajur Veda period. The Aryas exacted tribute by way of agricultural produce and construction. The Arya chieftains entered into the Treaty of Bharatha among themselves and with Arya Mihira (The Supreme Chief) across the Himalayas. This heralded the Joyous tines of the Krishna Yajur Veda that replaced the Raja Sooya of the Shukla Yajur Veda with the Ashwa Medha Yajna.

    All allusions to an Aryan Invasion theory are baseless because there could not have been any “invasion” when there were no “nations” Believe it or not, they did not even have passports, visas and customs in those days(!). OIT (Out of India Theory” is equally absurd). The Indo-Gangetic Plain was simply too salubrious and Fecund for anybody to migrate away except under duress

    The truth is that Aryans were multi racial in the Rik Vedic Period (taming of fire and horse) and roamed, as pastoral nomads will, the grass lands from East Prussia to Mongolia and were united by the pre-Vedic religion of Brahmanism (The Prathamo Upanishad) and Constitution (Swasthika). During difficult times, they raided neighbouring agricultural civilizations for food and women and sometimes settled there, as they did the Indo-Gangetic Plain towards the end of the Shukla Yajur Veda Period (invention of Archery and the use of horse drawn chariots in war fare) heralding the dawn of the Krishna Yajur Veda period. The plenty from the Agriculture of the Indo Gangetic Plain and the labour of the Druhyus (Dasyus) or Druids (Dravids) led to the decadence of the Sama Veda which gave birth to music.

    After the civil war referred to in Vyasa’s “mahabharatha” Aryan hegemony was demolished as nearly 8 out of ten Aryan males were killed in the war. The Atharva Veda Period began. Druids and the Aryans intermarried and the agricultural, temple worship and architectural technologies of the Druids entered the Atharva Veda through the Aagama (that which came from outside) Shasthra. The Thraithreya Upanishad was created as a compendium for the use of Ritviks of all the Vedas and Sanskrtized the Druhyu deities through a process of amalgamation.

    The Druids entered the Guru Kulas as the Fourth Varna of Shudra with full Varna mobility therafter until Ashoka brought an end to the Vedic period, dismantled the Guru Kulas, destroyed the Temples and persecuted Brahmanism. This brought an end to Varna mobility.

    There were two great migrations of Aryans out of India. The first, after the great Civil War of Kurkukshetra when few Aryans survived and the transition from Sama Veda to Atharva Veda began with the inter marriage between the Aryas (originally from Central Asia) and the Dhruhyus who brought architecture and agriculture from Mesopotamia) with the Aaagama (that which came from outside) Shastras becoming Sanskritised, went as far as the Balkans and the Baltic.

    Then, during Ashoka’s destruction of Temples, Gurukulas and persecution of Brahmanism which brought an end to the Vedic period the migrations were largely to the South and the South East. Adi Shankara’s ancestors were among them. A fourth migration occurred by means of Islamic slave caravans from which the ancestors of present day Romanis escaped. The ongoing migration to escape persecution by the Indian Republic since 1947 is too well known to mention here. As for the Out of India Theory: The Indo Gangetic Plains were too salubrious and fecund for any who came here from the harsher Central Asia or Eastern Europe to return other than by duress. (Or for anybody to migrate out of)

    Adi Shankara, whose ancestors had fled Ashoka’s persecution to the deep south, revived Sanskrit, the Vedas, the Brahma Sutras and amalgamated the Aryan Rudra-Shankara with the Druid Shiva, The Aryan Narayana with the Druid Vishnu, the Aryan Sandhya-Savitri-Gayatri-Saraswathi and the Druid Lakshmi-Parvathi-Lalitha, with the tribal-negroid Kali; with the tribal-negroid Ganapathi, and with the Aryan Sun (or the living idol of Brahma) into the Panchayathana (Five Deities) . Not all subscribed to this, and various archetypal religions and their derivatives from human sacrifice, necrophagy and cannibalism to Vasihnavism, Shaivism and Shaktaism continued to flourish to this day.

    Much of the mythology (Puranas) was born in two phases. The first to reconcile and integrate religions during the Atharva Veda period and then to reconcile and integrate the Panchayathana. They carry shades of religious competitiveness and flights of fancy.

    The politics is evident in the absurd politics in the Puranas. Here you have Vishnu defeating Shiva, there you have Vishnu worshiping Shiva ceaselessly to prevent the end of creation, There you have Shiva plucking off Brahma’s “Fifth Head” (ROFL) for “lying” about Shiva’s infinite size, and elsewhere you have all the three prostrating before Lalitha Parameshwari to save them from demons of their own creation. . Puranas, like fables, were used to educate children by mothers and grand mothers, before the boys underwent Upanayana (re-opening of the eyes at age 7 or 9) and went to the Guru Kula in Arya Varsha for a Vedic Education. The Puranas and anything in Shloka form may be written

    Unfortunately, with the State sponsored pogrom to eradicate Brahmanism since 1921,, there are few people who have been classically educated in the Shastras, the Vedas and the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa. The “West” including the British, Vivekananda and others borrowed what they could from the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa, removed what was politically inconvenient and found archaeological and linguistic evidence for what remained. What can one say of an India where Parliament stood up in one accord to erase 1948 newspaper cartoons from Government approved and published School History Text Books as recently as 2012?

    It is in the nature of the adversarial and war mongering latter day Indians, who have waged the civil war decreed by the casteist and communalist Indian Constitution for seventy years, to find the notion of cultural co-existence of Aryas and Druhyus inconceivable.

    • Dharma Republic

      Complete confused Hindu missionary Lutyen bullshit.

      • Well done

        We need more people to stand up againts these racists colonial propaganda theories designed to undermine our culture.

  • unmesh dave

    Excellent article.
    I would also include the astronomical dating that is present in the vedas.
    Since there are very Good books written by Dr. Nilesh Oak on Mahabharata : “When Did The Mahabharata War Happen?: The Mystery of Arundhati” which accurately dates the Mahabharata to 5000BCE and Ramayana to around 12000 BCE in the “Historic Rama”. This would push the Vedas further back in the time, since we know that The Vedas were definitely composed way earlier than Ramayana and Mahabharata.

  • sanch

    India definitely needs a top class institute of research on Indian civilisation with an interdisciplinary approach.

    Second, it should now start promoting it’s spiritual history- to be honest, that’s the one we are all proud of. It should definitely promote it’s knowledge systems and with that comes Yoga. Yoga is probably the oldest living knowledge system right from the Sindhu-Saraswati time.

    Third, all leading institutes of natural science departments should all have a programme on it’s own Indian history and a humanities minor. This would well verse the students with both the Indian history of the discipline and an overview of other knowledge systems. For example, a student of Physics should first know the Indian contributions and history of physics/ganita and have an overview of other Indian knowledge systems like Yoga, ayurveda, etc.

    Fourth, Indian scientists and researchers should try to attribute their new research to Indian metaphysics in their research papers, wherever possible. So if a person doing machine learning conceptualise a model based on Indian style of world view must credit it. This expands the knowledge base and integrates the new research to it’s roots.

    Fifth, Leading departments on neurology, psychology and cognitive science must have separate top class programmes on cutting edge research on spirituality, consciousness, etc. and credit the sources, wherever possible.

    Sixth, Indian Jyotish (astronomy) must be taught from school level. This should be a must. This will give a big push and interest in the field of mathematics as students will realise it’s purpose. Dr. C K Raju stresses this point a lot.

    Seventh, India should replace the title of PhD with Pundit so that everyone else doesn’t appropriate it and declare that Pundit will be equivalent to PhD. It sounds silly but over the long term, it will have positive ramifications.

    The Indian Government should be very active and assertive in it’s approach to research, understand and promote our civilisation. It must take the responsibility of this civilisation and take mantle piece back from the other South East Asian countries.

  • C K G Gulia

    I leave you to your musings, truth claims and repetitions ad nauseum.

  • SuchindranathAiyer

    How will you have archaeological proof of a nomadic, pastoral, multi racial people? Even after they integrated with the Druhyu (Dasyus) after the Civil War of Kurukshetra, whatever temples and universities they created were destroyed by Goths, Vandals, Visigoths, Ashoka, Islam and so on. The only proof is the oral tradition of the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa that is corroborated by linguistic traditions and genetics found all over the world and which makes sense of all the small tell tale detriment of civilization.

    What is Aryan Invasion Theory? It seems to be something that Neo-Integrationists or, “Gen Next” Jabberlal Neckscrews have drummed up as ar Redicsovery of India? I am classically educated in Sasnkrit and subscribe to Shrotuha Smartha Ithihasa. I personally think that those who have not had a classical Sanskrit education and are busy trying to remove the words Brahmin and Arya from the Indian dictionary or, to recast them in consonance with or in opposition to the Periyar-Ambedkar-Nehru-Gandhi-Imported Relgion-Communist consensus should not be tampering with the History of the Druido-Aryan civilization of the Indian Subcontinent.

    It is in the nature of the adversarial and war mongering latter day Indians, who have waged the civil war decreed by the casteist and communalist Indian Constitution for seventy years, to find the notion of cultural co-existence of Aryas and Druhyus inconceivable.

    How can genetic theory debunk a wrong theory. Aryas were never a race. Aryas were mutli racial but uni cultural with the religion of Brahmanism and the law of Dharma. They roamed from present day East Europe to Mongolia in the Rik Vedic Period. In the Shukla Yajur Veda period they raided surrounding agricultural societies for food and wives. They settled in the Indo Gangetic plain heralding the Krishna Yajur Veda period and the treaty of Bharatha. After the war of Kurukshetra when most Arya Males were killed, they intermarried with the Druhyus (Druids, Dravids, Dasyus) and became one people commencing the Atharva Veda period, pantheism and the first wave of Puranas.

    All allusions to an Aryan Invasion theory are baseless because there could not have been any “invasion” when there were no “nations” Believe it or not, they did not even have passports, visas and customs in those days(!). OIT (Out of India Theory” is equally absurd). The Indo-Gangetic Plain was simply too salubrious and Fecund for anybody to migrate away except under duress

    The truth is that Aryans were multi racial in the Rik Vedic Period (taming of fire and horse) and roamed, as pastoral nomads will, the grass lands from East Prussia to Mongolia and were united by the pre-Vedic religion of Brahmanism (The Prathamo Upanishad) and Constitution (Swasthika). During difficult times, they raided neighbouring agricultural civilizations for food and women and sometimes settled there, as they did the Indo-Gangetic Plain towards the end of the Shukla Yajur Veda Period (invention of Archery and the use of horse drawn chariots in war fare) heralding the dawn of the Krishna Yajur Veda period. The plenty from the Agriculture of the Indo Gangetic Plain and the labour of the Druhyus (Dasyus) or Druids (Dravids) led to the decadence of the Sama Veda which gave birth to music.

    After the civil war referred to in Vyasa’s “mahabharatha” Aryan hegemony was demolished as nearly 8 out of ten Aryan males were killed in the war. The Atharva Veda Period began. Druids and the Aryans intermarried and the agricultural, temple worship and architectural technologies of the Druids entered the Atharva Veda through the Aagama (that which came from outside) Shasthra. The Thraithreya Upanishad was created as a compendium for the use of Ritviks of all the Vedas and Sanskrtized the Druhyu deities through a process of amalgamation.

    The Druids entered the Guru Kulas as the Fourth Varna of Shudra with full Varna mobility therafter until Ashoka brought an end to the Vedic period, dismantled the Guru Kulas, destroyed the Temples and persecuted Brahmanism. This brought an end to Varna mobility.

    There were two great migrations of Aryans out of India. The first, after the great Civil War of Kurkukshetra when few Aryans survived and the transition from Sama Veda to Atharva Veda began with the inter marriage between the Aryas (originally from Central Asia) and the Dhruhyus who brought architecture and agriculture from Mesopotamia) with the Aaagama (that which came from outside) Shastras becoming Sanskritised, went as far as the Balkans and the Baltic.

    Then, during Ashoka’s destruction of Temples, Gurukulas and persecution of Brahmanism which brought an end to the Vedic period the migrations were largely to the South and the South East. Adi Shankara’s ancestors were among them. A fourth migration occurred by means of Islamic slave caravans from which the ancestors of present day Romanis escaped. The ongoing migration to escape persecution by the Indian Republic since 1947 is too well known to mention here. As for the Out of India Theory: The Indo Gangetic Plains were too salubrious and fecund for any who came here from the harsher Central Asia or Eastern Europe to return other than by duress. (Or for anybody to migrate out of)

    Adi Shankara, whose ancestors had fled Ashoka’s persecution to the deep south, revived Sanskrit, the Vedas, the Brahma Sutras and amalgamated the Aryan Rudra-Shankara with the Druid Shiva, The Aryan Narayana with the Druid Vishnu, the Aryan Sandhya-Savitri-Gayatri-Saraswathi and the Druid Lakshmi-Parvathi-Lalitha, with the tribal-negroid Kali; with the tribal-negroid Ganapathi, and with the Aryan Sun (or the living idol of Brahma) into the Panchayathana (Five Deities) . Not all subscribed to this, and various archetypal religions and their derivatives from human sacrifice, necrophagy and cannibalism to Vasihnavism, Shaivism and Shaktaism continued to flourish to this day.

    Much of the mythology (Puranas) was born in two phases. The first to reconcile and integrate religions during the Atharva Veda period and then to reconcile and integrate the Panchayathana. They carry shades of religious competitiveness and flights of fancy.

    The politics is evident in the absurd politics in the Puranas. Here you have Vishnu defeating Shiva, there you have Vishnu worshiping Shiva ceaselessly to prevent the end of creation, There you have Shiva plucking off Brahma’s “Fifth Head” (ROFL) for “lying” about Shiva’s infinite size, and elsewhere you have all the three prostrating before Lalitha Parameshwari to save them from demons of their own creation. . Puranas, like fables, were used to educate children by mothers and grand mothers, before the boys underwent Upanayana (re-opening of the eyes at age 7 or 9) and went to the Guru Kula in Arya Varsha for a Vedic Education. The Puranas and anything in Shloka form may be written

    Unfortunately, with the State sponsored pogrom to eradicate Brahmanism since 1921,, there are few people who have been classically educated in the Shastras, the Vedas and the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa. The “West” including the British, Vivekananda and others borrowed what they could from the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa, removed what was politically inconvenient and found archaeological and linguistic evidence for what remained. What can one say of an India where Parliament stood up in one accord to erase 1948 newspaper cartoons from Government approved and published School History Text Books as recently as 2012?

    • C K G Gulia

      The notion of Arya emanates from the aspect of ”Ar” which means to teal or to plough. So much for the ”Nomadic Aryans” and the fairytale agriculturist ”Druids”.

      How can anything genetic or from any other subject support your own? Only double speak and nothing else. Hence the rest can see and deduce the bunkum proposition which you’ve place forth place forth.

      Yet (CON)VENIENTLY neglect what all other evidence refutes most of which supports the Arya homeland of Bharath.

      As far as Brahminism is concerned. You too have played an unwitting part in its demise as gut wrenching as it may sound. Fortunately, this is being debunked.

      Yet, ignore even what it refutes.

      Repeat ad nauseum or argumentum ad hominem. The next best two tactics to allow you to kick the can down the road just that bit more. Which you are going to do.

  • SuchindranathAiyer

    If you got yourself an education, you would know too

  • SuchindranathAiyer

    Apart from Venn diagrams, you would also benefit by letting “data sufficiency”, “deductive and inductive reasoning” intrude into you umwelt. As things stand, you are show casing the Islamic vice of imagining whatever suits your argument and then launching it at your enemies” like most young Indians. Islam< like syphilis and gonorrhea is catching!.

    What is your "parmapara"? Your gothra? Your pravara? Your real name? Do you have one? C.K.G.Gulia!

    Keep them coming. I love to laugh.,

    • C K G Gulia

      If you got yourself an education. You probably wouldn’t know. Another chip on your PANGOLIN thesis which is blown out of the water yet again. Talk about contradictions. The PANGOLIN has rubbed off on your. Another parent and child moment for you. At least you now know your master a bit more than you used to. Hard to learn. Harder to unlearn. Truth hurts.

      Of course seeking a new name is necessary. Especially a very real name is the self-exemplification of an Aiyer being a liar.

      The best thing of all is this. It is never going to be the way you thought you could construe it again.

      Another rub off on your pseudo-school by the the foreigner. Essentially. It is the Aiyer who is the new liar.

      More Tu quo qus is hear. Or wiser still. Best to live with it.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        How would you know what education means? Unless you get one first? By definition a PANGOLIN* Gulia or otherwise cannot be educated.

        • C K G Gulia

          Is that your recourse? Yet more slander. So be it. A person who debunked you on geology, plate tectonics and teaching an AIYER LIAR what an Island is in the first place and using multiple disciplines to turn your fake pseudo-history into dust you’re calling otherwise. Cut the tripe and admit it. You’re a disinformation agent who asks questions gracelessly. If you want to know what education means then smiply ask and don’t get rhetorical.

          You are much less than uneducated then.

          It is of clear understanding that you have no Jigyasa (enquiry). This is a critical requisite of education. A faculty which your ilk haven’t taught you nor do you consider.

          By definition a PANGOLIN AIYER LIAR cannot ever be educated. By your definition therefore no however no one except an Aiyer can be ”educated”. Talk about convent school Christian vainglorious pseudo-supremacy. Well. By that definition you couldn’t even reveal a parampara of your own (perhaps a wanabe who’s been dejected from it due to being illegitimate to respect it for what it is and learn it with genuine originality). At least someone else reminded you of that. This is what your convent school taught you.

          Education for India is in truth needing of de-intellectualisation and thus rid itself of your PANGOLIN ideology. You are the so-called intellectual. Albeit for lies. Right with Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib who are on their way out. Education also consists of not only learn but also unlearn and re-learn what’s right.

          I think you haven’t got yourself an education because unlike whom you’re talking to you haven’t got a scientific as well as a philosophical and spiritual background. Might as well take the blue pill (again) and attack the scholar of the very article you’re throwing a fit over.

  • C K G Gulia

    Suppose your recourse is a reaction and a simple tu quo qu. At least the rest now know. Fortunately, there isn’t anything standing in the way now. Seems like you’ve missed the gravy train. No ”response” (aka reaction in reality) will do.

    Enjoy.

    • SuchindranathAiyer

      Those who are educated, do know. Thank you

    • C K G Gulia

      Laughing is all that’s left for such a lack of credibility. Also, Nice recourse by the way.

      Names now?

      Stalk about stooping so low now that there’s nothing to answer for your standing (since it has been answered) your getting on to names. Well I suppose you are in need of getting a new one. It is understandable that since you’ve lost a real one you need another ”real one”.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        I observe that you have no parampara, while proclaiming that I have none. Doubtless the rest of you puerile spouting are similarly prompted.

        I have no more time to waste on you and your inane essays. The educated and the discriminating will derive whatever information they want and proceed. In any case, genuine Brahmins like myself are not proselytizers, so you can believe whatever you like. I shall continue to write what I know on every available occasion for the benefit of the discriminating educated.

  • C K G Gulia

    It isn’t difficult to know your parampara. It is that from being the slave child of Heindrik Van Loon’s school emanating from his book, THE STORY OF MANKIND in 1921.

    What it says is exactly what you sheep around. Thus if this is your tradition then it is case closed. Keep parroting all you want. The rest know now and no recourse can sort out this dilemma of yours because this time the rest are able to discern now unlike your PANGOLIN utopia (where at best the rest are ignorant or at worst they feel contempt for themselves and their technological, cultural, epistemological and system based achievements) which you unknowingly garnish and extoll beneath that thin sheet of lip service condemnation. Nice try though.

    Try all you want. Here it all is and there is nothing which can be done to hide it.

    • SuchindranathAiyer

      Apart from Venn diagrams, you would also benefit by letting “data sufficiency”, “deductive and inductive reasoning” intrude into you umwelt. As things stand, you are show casing the Islamic vice of imagining whatever suits your argument and then launching it at your enemies” like most young Indians. Islam< like syphilis and gonorrhea is catching!.

      What is your "parmapara"? Your gothra? Your pravara? Your real name? Do you have one? C.K.G.Gulia!

      Are you Raoul Baba's son?

      Keep them coming. I love to laugh.,

      • C K G Gulia

        Laughing is all that’s left for such a lack of credibility. Also, Nice recourse by the way.

        Names now?

        Stalk about stooping so low now that there’s nothing to answer for your standing (since it has been answered) your getting on to names. Well I suppose you are in need of getting a new one. It is understandable that since you’ve lost a real one you need another ”real one”. Parampara showing yet still.

        • SuchindranathAiyer

          It is a snark, its is a snark, its is snark, the Bellman cried, said three times is true! Take care less the Snark be a Boojum. You may contiue to waste time all by yourself hereafter.

          How will you have archaeological proof of a nomadic, pastoral, multi racial people? Even after they integrated with the Druhyu (Dasyus) after the Civil War of Kurukshetra, whatever temples and universities they created were destroyed by Goths, Vandals, Visigoths, Ashoka, Islam and so on. The only proof is the oral tradition of the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa that is corroborated by linguistic traditions and genetics found all over the world and which makes sense of all the small tell tale detriment of civilization.

          What is Aryan Invasion Theory? It seems to be something that Neo-Integrationists or, “Gen Next” Jabberlal Neckscrews have drummed up as ar Redicsovery of India? I am classically educated in Sasnkrit and subscribe to Shrotuha Smartha Ithihasa. I personally think that those who have not had a classical Sanskrit education and are busy trying to remove the words Brahmin and Arya from the Indian dictionary or, to recast them in consonance with or in opposition to the Periyar-Ambedkar-Nehru-Gandhi-Imported Relgion-Communist consensus should not be tampering with the History of the Druido-Aryan civilization of the Indian Subcontinent.

          It is in the nature of the adversarial and war mongering latter day Indians, who have waged the civil war decreed by the casteist and communalist Indian Constitution for seventy years, to find the notion of cultural co-existence of Aryas and Druhyus inconceivable.

          How can genetic theory debunk a wrong theory. Aryas were never a race. Aryas were mutli racial but uni cultural with the religion of Brahmanism and the law of Dharma. They roamed from present day East Europe to Mongolia in the Rik Vedic Period. In the Shukla Yajur Veda period they raided surrounding agricultural societies for food and wives. They settled in the Indo Gangetic plain heralding the Krishna Yajur Veda period and the treaty of Bharatha. After the war of Kurukshetra when most Arya Males were killed, they intermarried with the Druhyus (Druids, Dravids, Dasyus) and became one people commencing the Atharva Veda period, pantheism and the first wave of Puranas.

          All allusions to an Aryan Invasion theory are baseless because there could not have been any “invasion” when there were no “nations” Believe it or not, they did not even have passports, visas and customs in those days(!). OIT (Out of India Theory” is equally absurd). The Indo-Gangetic Plain was simply too salubrious and Fecund for anybody to migrate away except under duress

          The truth is that Aryans were multi racial in the Rik Vedic Period (taming of fire and horse) and roamed, as pastoral nomads will, the grass lands from East Prussia to Mongolia and were united by the pre-Vedic religion of Brahmanism (The Prathamo Upanishad) and Constitution (Swasthika). During difficult times, they raided neighbouring agricultural civilizations for food and women and sometimes settled there, as they did the Indo-Gangetic Plain towards the end of the Shukla Yajur Veda Period (invention of Archery and the use of horse drawn chariots in war fare) heralding the dawn of the Krishna Yajur Veda period. The plenty from the Agriculture of the Indo Gangetic Plain and the labour of the Druhyus (Dasyus) or Druids (Dravids) led to the decadence of the Sama Veda which gave birth to music.

          After the civil war referred to in Vyasa’s “mahabharatha” Aryan hegemony was demolished as nearly 8 out of ten Aryan males were killed in the war. The Atharva Veda Period began. Druids and the Aryans intermarried and the agricultural, temple worship and architectural technologies of the Druids entered the Atharva Veda through the Aagama (that which came from outside) Shasthra. The Thraithreya Upanishad was created as a compendium for the use of Ritviks of all the Vedas and Sanskrtized the Druhyu deities through a process of amalgamation.

          The Druids entered the Guru Kulas as the Fourth Varna of Shudra with full Varna mobility therafter until Ashoka brought an end to the Vedic period, dismantled the Guru Kulas, destroyed the Temples and persecuted Brahmanism. This brought an end to Varna mobility.

          There were two great migrations of Aryans out of India. The first, after the great Civil War of Kurkukshetra when few Aryans survived and the transition from Sama Veda to Atharva Veda began with the inter marriage between the Aryas (originally from Central Asia) and the Dhruhyus who brought architecture and agriculture from Mesopotamia) with the Aaagama (that which came from outside) Shastras becoming Sanskritised, went as far as the Balkans and the Baltic.

          Then, during Ashoka’s destruction of Temples, Gurukulas and persecution of Brahmanism which brought an end to the Vedic period the migrations were largely to the South and the South East. Adi Shankara’s ancestors were among them. A fourth migration occurred by means of Islamic slave caravans from which the ancestors of present day Romanis escaped. The ongoing migration to escape persecution by the Indian Republic since 1947 is too well known to mention here. As for the Out of India Theory: The Indo Gangetic Plains were too salubrious and fecund for any who came here from the harsher Central Asia or Eastern Europe to return other than by duress. (Or for anybody to migrate out of)

          Adi Shankara, whose ancestors had fled Ashoka’s persecution to the deep south, revived Sanskrit, the Vedas, the Brahma Sutras and amalgamated the Aryan Rudra-Shankara with the Druid Shiva, The Aryan Narayana with the Druid Vishnu, the Aryan Sandhya-Savitri-Gayatri-Saraswathi and the Druid Lakshmi-Parvathi-Lalitha, with the tribal-negroid Kali; with the tribal-negroid Ganapathi, and with the Aryan Sun (or the living idol of Brahma) into the Panchayathana (Five Deities) . Not all subscribed to this, and various archetypal religions and their derivatives from human sacrifice, necrophagy and cannibalism to Vasihnavism, Shaivism and Shaktaism continued to flourish to this day.

          Much of the mythology (Puranas) was born in two phases. The first to reconcile and integrate religions during the Atharva Veda period and then to reconcile and integrate the Panchayathana. They carry shades of religious competitiveness and flights of fancy.

          The politics is evident in the absurd politics in the Puranas. Here you have Vishnu defeating Shiva, there you have Vishnu worshiping Shiva ceaselessly to prevent the end of creation, There you have Shiva plucking off Brahma’s “Fifth Head” (ROFL) for “lying” about Shiva’s infinite size, and elsewhere you have all the three prostrating before Lalitha Parameshwari to save them from demons of their own creation. . Puranas, like fables, were used to educate children by mothers and grand mothers, before the boys underwent Upanayana (re-opening of the eyes at age 7 or 9) and went to the Guru Kula in Arya Varsha for a Vedic Education. The Puranas and anything in Shloka form may be written

          Unfortunately, with the State sponsored pogrom to eradicate Brahmanism since 1921,, there are few people who have been classically educated in the Shastras, the Vedas and the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa. The “West” including the British, Vivekananda and others borrowed what they could from the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa, removed what was politically inconvenient and found archaeological and linguistic evidence for what remained. What can one say of an India where Parliament stood up in one accord to erase 1948 newspaper cartoons from Government approved and published School History Text Books as recently as 2012?

  • SuchindranathAiyer

    So? What does all this contradict or prove?

    • C K G Gulia

      Disproves preconceived false notions also. Negate that won’t you. Also proves the autochthonous origins of such a species. Contradict. Contradicts baseless truth claims which some may have in mind yet overthrowing at least falsehoods they held as true earlier as an article of faith.

      Since there is not much to recourse over. This can be for the rest to observe at their own leisure.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        Your thesis disproves nothing from my comments whatsoever. Please read both your thesis and mine, once more. Carefully.

        • C K G Gulia

          If you take a slightly closer look without your rose tinted lenses. You’ll find out that you haven’t really read it at all yet you’re telling others to read. Your thesis isn’t even a thesis. What this does debunk is your truth claims. Then it debunks the point of the so-called ”Aryans originating from elsewhere”. Even without the horse argument it doesn’t bode well for the so-called ”Aryans” were a Heindrik Van Loon’s fairytale race. What is definitely the case is their emergence from within Bharath from where expanded from.

          • SuchindranathAiyer

            Once you go to kindergarten, get an education, learn to read write add subtract and so on, and then read my comments, you will observe that I have only made comments. I have not published a thesis. It is you who have attempted to foist a equine thesis in support of your specious argument that my comment is incorrect when your thesis, in no way, contradicts my comments.

            I have no more time to waste on you and your inane essays. The educated and the discriminating will derive whatever information they want and proceed. In any case, genuine Brahmins like myself are not proselytizers, so you can believe whatever you like. I shall continue to write what I know on every available occasion for the benefit of the discriminating educated.

  • SuchindranathAiyer

    Do you have a real name and a pravara? Or, are you a secular? Very, very “churchlike”!

    “Secular”, nowadays, is far removed from its original conception and is a form of “political correctness” that is constantly working at revising pre existing mythologies to provide a fig leaf for atavistic imperia masquerading as “religions” or ideologies. I have no need of euhemers and will certainly not rely on any written tradition that arises from the political imperatives, ideologies and momentum of the times in which they were written and for which those who were employed from the umwelt to do so were selected.

    Just to let you know. you have debunked nothing. Except, perhaps, yourself.

    • C K G Gulia

      Just to let you know. It is you who has debunked nothing. Except the chanting (in your take of the Shroutha style which isn’t correct) to the mirror telling that to yourself. Mirrors are quite a reflection into yourself.

      When even basic geography, zoology and more isn’t known by you then you’re only giving your own tripe a long rope to hang itself from.

      Let the truth speak for itself quite complaining in the process. The next thing you’ll speak of will be your own ego fuming. No wonder why you PANGOLIN is working overtime. The truth has completely debunked your ego. Well, you can deny that and then see where it takes you with all to see how you debunk yourself. That too again.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        You must get a grip on the notion of time and space before you can tackle History. That there is gravity is true. That there are spaces where there is no such thing is also true. That all is Maya is true. It is also true that you cannot walk through a closed door. Even if the door comprises a billion, quadrillion particles that are intermittently energy pulses and all in constant fluid motion. You have no sense of context evidently. Get yourself a nose bag and ponder the problem again. This time with Venn Diagrams applied to my comments as well as your own equine “thesis”.

        I am delighted that my allusion to PANGOLIN* has uncovered you to be one.

        *Note: PANGOLIN: An enemy of India who believes in inequality under law, exceptions to the rule of law and persecution of some for the benefit of others. At present, the sole purpose of the Indian Republic, Constitutional or otherwise, is to pamper and provide for certain constitutionally preferred sections of society who the British found useful to hold and exploit India at the cost of those who the British hated and persecuted. The Pangolin is a creature that is unique to India and feeds on ants that are known in nature to be industrious and hard working if not quite as fruitful as bees who flee to better climes. (PANGOLIN is an acronym for the Periyar-Ambedkar-Nehru-Gandhi-Other (alien) Religions-Communist Consensus that usurped the British Mantle and has worn it with elan to loot, plunder, and rape India since 1921 and re write History and laws to their exclusive benefit since 1947)

  • C K G Gulia

    India is the place where the light Sivalensis (Shivalik) horse has been around. The modern horse has been around for more than 170000 years in India and was the first region to domesticate them. All zoologists and archaeo-zoolologists have proven that horses are not only indigenous to India and the Sarasvathi civilisation but the horse and the rhinoceros themselves originate from India.

    Do note everyone, observing through a plethora of posts which some petulant Aiyer liars like to post in, Suchindranath Aiyer is nothing but a disinformation agent who reveals absolutely nothing about his Parampara. Everyone must take critical heed of the fact that such individuals are disinformation agents par excellence.

    Do take note of the fact that he denies anything which is proven and stands in his way of distortionist belief. Note he denies the horse when all one needs to see is Michel Danino’s exposition on proving that the horse is of Indic origin and the work (which he is banking on isn’t going to be seen).

    Equine domestication first emerged in India.

    Such petulant truth claims he says because he is a clinical and egoistic disinformation agent who needs to be disproven at once. He makes statements but cannot even provide any evidence. This is because the tactic which is used is one of HIT AND RUN sweeping statements and all PROOF disregarded (Marxist habits take a while to get expunged from some) and all must unquestionably ‘’obey’’ the liar. Time to face disinformation and re-establish the truth.

    In every single post he denies the truth.

    Horses were introduced from India and were also taken to the Arab Peninsula itself.

    India was the only place where the horse had emerged and was taken to other regions of the planet. This also includes the Chicken, Cow and more. The dairy milk drinking habit also emerged in India and first emerged in later migrations (Circa 2900 BC).

    The Equus Sivalensis and Equus Ferus Caballus horse originated from India. The first horse of its kind of which it is characterised by its 17 paired ribs. The modern horse was first domesticated in India and expanded outward with the Vedic Arya expansions from the Saptasindhu region. This is also indicated with the chariot and the stirrup having first been invented in Bharath. Not China. One of such cases was the introduction of these technologies venturing further west in the form of the Aratta/Urartus in the Eastern Anatolian, Armenian and Caucasus regions along with the Indic Hittites and the Mitanni introducing it into the region.

    You do not see as you do not want to see. With all your denial of genetics of humans and the horse the most critical thing which debunks such a false narrative is that genetics is also used to identify that which is not. The so-called ‘’inter-relatedness’’ is predominanty not so with the Indian species. Also if they were inter-related then it can be in a plethora of ways which need not be associated with the fake Aryans. As aforementioned, there isn’t as far as the Indian breed are concerned for the most part.

    Note that it is the Equus Sivalensis/Shivalik horse and the very ancestor of the horse and Rhinos came from India.

    http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/11/20/india-fossils-perissodactyla/

    Bharath provided the first forms of veterinary clinics. This is also clearly logical as it was the first to domesticate animals. Most notably cattle, horses, elephants, pigs, chickens, buffalos and more.

    Also India was an Island. For quite sometime. Thus giving latitude for various species to develop.

    http://news.mit.edu/2013/india-joined-with-asia-10-million-years-later-than-previously-thought-0206

    The truth isn’t going to go anywhere. Escapism isn’t going to work. Not anymore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l7VsR-dW-c

    • SuchindranathAiyer

      Those who seek the parampara of others must proclaim their own first.

      The truth is evident to those who need to know. Who are they? Study my comments. The oral tradition does not adhere to Anglo-Saxon, Dutch-Roman, Vatican-Inquisition, Sharia, Ivy League dissertation or other Court Room legerdemain so essential to establish the veracity of falsity . It relies, instead, on the integrity of the custodians of truth.

      Is there a political reason for suppressing such ancient truth? Yes. For one, it challenges unstated assumptions of racial and national superiority around which much of politics revolves. Anti-Science. For another, Just as in the case of Science, generations of historians and academicians have invested their lives in constructing elaborate politically correct myths to substitute History. They fight having to cast their edifice into the void to start again. All those who have grown up on these postulates fight as well

      I have no need of euhemers and will certainly not rely on any written tradition that arises from the political imperatives, ideologies and momentum of the times in which they were written and for which those who were employed from the umwelt to do so were selected.

      I am delighted that the superstructure you have built on false premises has been threatened by my comments here and there. Thank you for the compliment.

    • Anirudh Vikram

      You are as much a master of this AIT/OIT intricacies and nuances as the author himself. Kudos to you Mr. Gulia. Thank you for shedding light on these topics which are being taught to all in an upside manner. It pains me that how can these Western academicians can be so duplicitous in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence. Whatever happened to the “famed” scientific temper of Western civilization that they keep bragging about? Do they have no shame?

      Do you have any blog that “thirsty” folks like me could quench their thirst?

    • gk

      I am not sure what people like Suchindranathaiyer are hinting at. Looks like some watered down version of Aryan myth, justifying the Aryan/Brahmin exclusivity over the Vedas perhaps. If this is what SuchdranathAiyer etc are trying to imply they are wrong. They cannot claim exclusive rights over the Vedic heritage as something belonging to some bloodline. If they continue to deny this then they are going to be at loss.

    • gk

      Gulia Sir, your post doesnt deserve to be in this comment section. Please try to add this as addendum/part 2 to this article as the information is quite valuable to be lost/hidden in some comments.

  • kalyanaraman

    A. L. Chavda’s article “Aryan Invasion Myth: How 21st Century Science Debunks 19th Century Indology” is thought provoking and pregnant with new information. It begins with a criticism of the 19th century Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT), now refined as Indo-Aryan Migration theory (IAMT) which was opposed by a proposed ‘Indigenous Aryan theory (IAT) also known as the Out of India theory (OIT) that ‘rejects the AIT/IATMT. “It posits that the Indo-Aryan people and their languages originated in the Indian subcontinent and that the Indus valley civilization (Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization) was theVedic civilization, not a Dravidian civilization as claimed in the AIT.There can be no doubt about Harappa civilization being Vedic but the fallacy in this proposal is that Harappa civilization was not an “All India civilization” as found in the subcontinent today spreading from Pakistan in the west to Assam in the east and up to Kanyakumari in the south. On the other hand the eastern limit of the Harappa civilizationwas valley of Yamuna river, and that too only the Upper Yamuna. During Harappan period Yamuna was a tributary of Sarasvati River flowing westward. The Yamuna which is now a tributary of the Ganga River did not exist. At that period Ganga also was a small river meeting the sea just after descending from the mountains. This leads us to the geological period when entire north India was a sea between the Vindhyas and the Himalayas. Thus it is futile to talk of the AIT or OIT since it does not apply to the period of Amavasu. Moreover, Baudhayana is late writer. The Out of India theory is just a reaction to the so-called AIT because present India did not exist during the time of Amavasu, son of Ayu of the Aila lineage, fourth descent of Manu. Chavda has given a new evidence of “haplogroup”. He observes “A haplogroup pertainsto a single line of descent which typically dates back several thousand years. In other words, a haplogroup is a large, extended family clan, all of whose members have a shared ancestry.:” This single ancestor definitely Manu who, in the light of geological evidence pointed out above, must have lived several million years ago, not 15,450 year as postulated. I am working on the subject since last twenty years and published a number of articles, and engaged in writing a book on the subject. The Sumerians, Hittites, Mitanni in western Asia and Russians, Slaves can be of a single descent on the basis of language and written records left by them. Now the haplogroup theory is an additional support to that. Congratulations to A. L. Chavada. T. P. Verma,Retd. Prof. BHU, Varanasi

  • L Krishna Kumar

    How does any of this matter, NOW? We Indians dwell in the past. Look at what we are now – Corrupt politicians, undisciplined, discourteous, selfish, filthy, over populated, ZERO inventions (caught the pun?)….

  • Vijesar Sarnobat

    Indian civilization is a continuous, unbroken tradition that dates back to the very beginning of the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization, at least 9,500 years before present. This makes India not only the world’s oldest civilization, older than Mesopotamia and Egypt, but also the world’s oldest continuously existing civilization.

  • Wonderful essay. Thanks for sharing.

  • Vijesar Sarnobat

    As stated above “Indian civilization is a continuous, unbroken tradition that dates back to the very beginning of the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization, at least 9,500 years before present. This makes India not only the world’s oldest civilization, older than Mesopotamia and Egypt, but also the world’s oldest continuously existing civilization…. ” than the language of Sindhu civilisation must be Sanskrit or there must be some scripts written in Sanskrit…. Why we are unable to Read the sindhu civilisation script till the date….? What language is that..? Which can’t be read.

  • Sumathi Megavarnam

    Such a Wonderfully researched and written Article……..Wish that Our Academic teachings are rewritten immediately to stem the ROT……it is the first foremost thing we should do coz time and again our Young children are fed with these Blatant lies

  • Shankar

    An excellent article and I might say brave one. The author has defrocked the academics in ivory towers who rule what goes into the textbooks. While I was discussing the issues of AIT with eminent archaeologists present at the launch of my book – Harappa series in Delhi, the recurring theme was that no one dare speak publicly against their masters for the fear of losing their jobs. Mrs Thapar was a protege of Marshall and she continues to spout the pre-independence ideologies and at the same time decrying the scientific research available. My thanks to the author for this erudite artice8.

  • SuchindranathAiyer

    How can genetic theory debunk a wrong theory. Aryas were never a race. Aryas were mutli racial but uni cultural with the religion of Brahmanism and the law of Dharma. They roamed from present day East Europe to Mongolia in the Rik Vedic Period. In the Shukla Yajur Veda period they raided surrounding agricultural societies for food and wives. They settled in the Indo Gangetic plain heralding the Krishna Yajur Veda period and the treaty of Bharatha. After the war of Kurukshetra when most Arya Males were killed, they intermarried with the Druhyus (Druids, Dravids, Dasyus) and became one people commencing the Atharva Veda period, pantheism and the first wave of Puranas.

    All allusions to an Aryan Invasion theory are baseless because there could not have been any “invasion” when there were no “nations” Believe it or not, they did not even have passports, visas and customs in those days(!). OIT (Out of India Theory” is equally absurd). The Indo-Gangetic Plain was simply too salubrious and Fecund for anybody to migrate away except under duress

    The truth is that Aryans were multi racial in the Rik Vedic Period (taming of fire and horse) and roamed, as pastoral nomads will, the grass lands from East Prussia to Mongolia and were united by the pre-Vedic religion of Brahmanism (The Prathamo Upanishad) and Constitution (Swasthika). During difficult times, they raided neighbouring agricultural civilizations for food and women and sometimes settled there, as they did the Indo-Gangetic Plain towards the end of the Shukla Yajur Veda Period (invention of Archery and the use of horse drawn chariots in war fare) heralding the dawn of the Krishna Yajur Veda period. The plenty from the Agriculture of the Indo Gangetic Plain and the labour of the Druhyus (Dasyus) or Druids (Dravids) led to the decadence of the Sama Veda which gave birth to music.

    After the civil war referred to in Vyasa’s “mahabharatha” Aryan hegemony was demolished as nearly 8 out of ten Aryan males were killed in the war. The Atharva Veda Period began. Druids and the Aryans intermarried and the agricultural, temple worship and architectural technologies of the Druids entered the Atharva Veda through the Aagama (that which came from outside) Shasthra. The Thraithreya Upanishad was created as a compendium for the use of Ritviks of all the Vedas and Sanskrtized the Druhyu deities through a process of amalgamation.

    The Druids entered the Guru Kulas as the Fourth Varna of Shudra with full Varna mobility therafter until Ashoka brought an end to the Vedic period, dismantled the Guru Kulas, destroyed the Temples and persecuted Brahmanism. This brought an end to Varna mobility.

    There were two great migrations of Aryans out of India. The first, after the great Civil War of Kurkukshetra when few Aryans survived and the transition from Sama Veda to Atharva Veda began with the inter marriage between the Aryas (originally from Central Asia) and the Dhruhyus who brought architecture and agriculture from Mesopotamia) with the Aaagama (that which came from outside) Shastras becoming Sanskritised, went as far as the Balkans and the Baltic.

    Then, during Ashoka’s destruction of Temples, Gurukulas and persecution of Brahmanism which brought an end to the Vedic period the migrations were largely to the South and the South East. Adi Shankara’s ancestors were among them. A fourth migration occurred by means of Islamic slave caravans from which the ancestors of present day Romanis escaped. The ongoing migration to escape persecution by the Indian Republic since 1947 is too well known to mention here. As for the Out of India Theory: The Indo Gangetic Plains were too salubrious and fecund for any who came here from the harsher Central Asia or Eastern Europe to return other than by duress. (Or for anybody to migrate out of)

    Adi Shankara, whose ancestors had fled Ashoka’s persecution to the deep south, revived Sanskrit, the Vedas, the Brahma Sutras and amalgamated the Aryan Rudra-Shankara with the Druid Shiva, The Aryan Narayana with the Druid Vishnu, the Aryan Sandhya-Savitri-Gayatri-Saraswathi and the Druid Lakshmi-Parvathi-Lalitha, with the tribal-negroid Kali; with the tribal-negroid Ganapathi, and with the Aryan Sun (or the living idol of Brahma) into the Panchayathana (Five Deities) . Not all subscribed to this, and various archetypal religions and their derivatives from human sacrifice, necrophagy and cannibalism to Vasihnavism, Shaivism and Shaktaism continued to flourish to this day.

    Much of the mythology (Puranas) was born in two phases. The first to reconcile and integrate religions during the Atharva Veda period and then to reconcile and integrate the Panchayathana. They carry shades of religious competitiveness and flights of fancy.

    The politics is evident in the absurd politics in the Puranas. Here you have Vishnu defeating Shiva, there you have Vishnu worshiping Shiva ceaselessly to prevent the end of creation, There you have Shiva plucking off Brahma’s “Fifth Head” (ROFL) for “lying” about Shiva’s infinite size, and elsewhere you have all the three prostrating before Lalitha Parameshwari to save them from demons of their own creation. . Puranas, like fables, were used to educate children by mothers and grand mothers, before the boys underwent Upanayana (re-opening of the eyes at age 7 or 9) and went to the Guru Kula in Arya Varsha for a Vedic Education. The Puranas and anything in Shloka form may be written

    Unfortunately, with the State sponsored pogrom to eradicate Brahmanism since 1921,, there are few people who have been classically educated in the Shastras, the Vedas and the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa. The “West” including the British, Vivekananda and others borrowed what they could from the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa, removed what was politically inconvenient and found archaeological and linguistic evidence for what remained. What can one say of an India where Parliament stood up in one accord to erase 1948 newspaper cartoons from Government approved and published School History Text Books as recently as 2012?

    • Sarathy Seshadri

      One more argument which was very famous among the AIT supporters is that the horses were brought by Aryans to India. But when it was proved that India has it’s own horses, by rib bone analyses, things are more intriguing.

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        Africa and Australia are the only two continents without indigenous horses. India was never an island. I do not see how it could have had horses that were not inter related with horses present elsewhere on the continent.

        • C K G Gulia

          Note how some say that to literally scrape to uphold the ”no horse” polemic.

          Also India was an Island. For quite sometime. Thus giving latitude for various species to develop.
          http://news.mit.edu/2013/india-joined-with-asia-10-million-years-later-than-previously-thought-0206

          • SuchindranathAiyer

            You really must get a grip on time and space before you can tackle History. The “Island” Gondwanaland is a Continent that existed prior to the commencement of Mamalian History and certainly a period prior to the Aryan advent on the portion that is now grinding into the Eurasian Land Mass.

    • Luke Mendes

      Why did the Sindhis from Sindh where a thriving World Trade Centre existed, call their city as ‘Mohanjo Daro’ which means in Sindhi “Dead Door”? It was to keep the Aryans away so they don’t come near and destroy the world trade centre in Sindh. Why were the Sindhis afraid of the Aryans? And when one aryan spy came and saw this was a thriving World Trade centre, what happened next is history or rubble mostly. There were kingdoms and hence small countries. The Indian subcontinent was broken away from Africa 300,000 years ago. Thats why we have an African trace in our gene. From the tectonic plate shift the Tribes migrated to australia and some formed the dravidian race and evolved. There were two types of people. The wide eyed were the ones living underground in caves and tunnels. The people with slight chinky were during the ice age living on the surface. Don’t go by what the main stream gives you. Why do some genetic tests point out that Punjabi Hindu’s to Ireland?? Why does the Hindu Kush exist? Why does the Khyber Pass exist?? Why is Soma Ras a heritage of Turkey?

      • Sree

        Dear sir,
        1. Mohan Jo Daro was the name given to that city in the 19th century. Archeologists found a dead city, hence locals started calling it Dead City. We can’t read IV script yet, so we don’t know ANY of the real names of the cities. All the names we call them now are given in the last 100 years.
        2. You are a few orders of magnitude wrong. Indian subcontinent split from Africa 140 million years ago. Humans formed in Africa 200 thousand years ago

      • SuchindranathAiyer

        Time flows in one direction. Terminology practices and people of today did not exist yesterday.All time is not encapsulated within the ambit of the Old Testament or the Gregorian Calendar. These are tautologies unacceptable to Indian “Historians” and their mentors and pay masters. You might like to apply this notion on your own.

  • Satish N

    First of all thanks to the author Sri. Chavda for coming up with this informational, persuasive article. The unfortunate life of Indians is that they were ruled by brown Sepoys even after 1947 and their accademia hijacked by Mao-Marx slaves. Our previous generation have done a great disservice for the nation by repeatedly electing these scoundrels And When we show some sense and elect a Nationalist Govt, they too succumb to “fear of perception” created by Media and Mao-Marx ‘Intellectual’ circuit that rants ‘Hindutva’ or “Secularism Khatre me hain”. This propaganda is to prevent any sincere effort to rediscover our past!

    If our Leaders leave that fear and choose to be unabashed Bharatiya then more funds, more scientific research with all the wherewithal such projects require can be provided. Nationalists shall not loose heart and continue pursuing our Government, Leaders for undertaking it. Individually too, have we ever tried to find out our past say, 7-8 generations ? The same negligence transcended on our Leaders too!

  • Anirudh Vikram

    After a very long time we have an authoritative, scientifically based , & employing logical arguments article to demolish the crap that we have been served until now by the Leftist+British+W.European historians. I cannot thank the author enough for such a brilliant analysis, that it felt to me as if a veil has been lifted. I second the suggestion made in this comments section that the author needs to think hard about putting together all this (& maybe more if he has) material in a book form & publish it. This is very essential as in KaliYuga, propaganda is dished out as truth and can only be countered by wider dissemination.

  • R Nanjappa

    This article requires to be printed and published as a separate book-let, like the smaller version of Michel Danino’s book ” The Invasion That Never Was”. It requires to be widely distributed among school and college students .

  • Basavarajaiah Honnagangaiah

    Scientifically researched history facts makes the historical events more trustworthy digest unlike the past manipulated and wrongly presented Aryan & Dravidian myths.The author of this blog Mr.A.L.Chavda needs to be commended for his extensive analysis of the subject and I am sharing the article.

  • Mr 1

    very informative articles unlike leftist rants which are based on assumptions. romilla tapar types are the examples of assumption BS JUST LIKE irfanhabib

  • Viswanath Venkataraman

    Good well researched article.

  • Gagan Kumar

    I do not have suitable words of gratitude to express it for this fantastic article which may help the humanity at large. Thanks a lot !

  • Sree

    I agree there is a lot of propaganda going around for many decades with our schools still teaching colonial literature.

    At the same time, I have some questions regarding the author jumping to certain conclusions from certain facts. I am hoping someone reading this will kindly be able to answer / discuss.

    case 1. source [8] Lucotte G. (2015)
    Fact: and I quote from that paper, words inside bracket are mine : “For Z93 (which is a subgroup of R1a), the 192 PakistanoIndians chosen for the estimation give an approximate TMRCA (the most recent common ancestor)=15,5 Kyears” and “all our South Asian populations are Z93, while almost all our European populations are Z280”.
    From this fact, our author concludes that R1a originated in India and all R1a holders in the world currently descended from him.

    How can one conclude that from this fact? First of all, Z93 is found outside India too. In fact, the current highest concentration of Z93 is not in india or pakistan. All it proves is that a very old gene is present in current Indians. That doesnt mean that gene originated in India. It could have originated outside and come to India in large numbers (Aryan Migration Theory).

    case 2. source [2] Lal B. B. (2015)
    Fact: Many traditions present in Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) are still present in modern India.
    Conclusion: This refutes the theory that the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization was destroyed and supplanted with a “foreign” Hindu culture and civilization.

    Again, how? When Sarasvati dried up, IVC, moved elsewhere, east / south. Around the same time (4-5k years ago), Aryan arrived in India (not invaded, but just migrated or mingled). Hence we see both Aryan and IVC customs followed in India.

    I am here to learn about the origins of my countrymen. I am open to discuss any of this.

    • Ganesh Banerjee

      has it really been proved that any IV site is 15000 years old?

      • Sree

        No. Oldest IV site is Bhirrana, which is 9000 years old.

    • Soumya Srajan

      I do not see much logic in what you are trying derive or questioning
      Rig veda shlokas clearly imply that they were spoken/written at the time when saraswati was a mighty river and all evidence points out – that saraswati was mighty river before 5000-6000 BCE.
      (at least physical evidence like data from remote sensing devices about flow of river can not be denied.)
      So your idea
      “Again, how? When Sarasvati dried up, IVC, moved elsewhere, east / south. Around the same time (4-5k years ago), Aryan arrived in India (not invaded, but just migrated or mingled). Hence we see both Aryan and IVC customs followed in India.”

      sounds a bit meaningless.

      Also your hypothesis “aryan arrived” -started really by Max Muller and his supporters and others of that time continued by marxists etc. witzel, Romila etc.etc. – now more than 100 years they could not produce any evidence.
      Only they had all this time the power of ruler with them to stop all reasonable research. One of last evidence which they could talk about was about “Horse migrated with aryans”.
      But now even that has been practically decided to be just an imagination (with Horses having different no. of ribs ) as all other parts of these two hypotheses are- Aryan Invasion Theory and Jones Hypothesis (that it was Chandragupta Maurya who had met Alexander- again with practically no evidence (except for some 2 pages greek note of doubtful authenticity -written more than 100 years after Alaxander ) and all evidence in our country pointing to quite different set of events ). Our whole History which we learn has been framed on these two hypothesis -which no evidence supports.

      You claim you are open for discussion but if you start with a hypothesis without any evidence that can not be called open. A hypothesis is made only after enough evidence is found. The last such hypotheses (these two) – forced on us by the might of rulers have put us in darkness for almost 200 years-which still continues.

      Let the studies be really open and hypothesis be made on proper evidence not just like that. Openness involves studying properly with evidence as chavda points out. Many others in recent times have done similar deep studies to build timeline of events in India. You can find on internet and in journals many such articles.

      • Sree

        Thank you so much for taking your time and replying. I have been waiting for this.

        Facts: Monsoon started declining 7000 years ago and Saraswati completely dried out 3500 years ago. So if someone saw Saraswati 6000 years ago, it could still have been a mighty river. Because back then, saraswati was a glacier fed river and wouldn’t have weakened much, just because monsoon weakened. So my point is that the date of Saraswati drying out only puts a limit on the date of arrival of aryans and doesn’t disprove aryans arrival.

        I agree that there may not be any archaeological evidence to prove the arrival of aryans. But you should agree that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If you look at linguistic or (even better) genetic evidence, there is evidence of large commonalities between Indians – central Asians-Europeans. Indians are genetically from 2 types – ANI and ASI (Ancient North and South Indians). Many of the sources Dr. Chavda gives agrees. If Indians migrated out and is the reason for commonalities, how come there is no ASI component found outside India?

        • Soumya Srajan

          I do not agree with your views. It is not just question of archaeological evidence- question is about any evidence at all, except for the linguistic and genetic similarities and those have been recently explained in many different ways.

          Your implication that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and hence one should assume aryan presence is indeed very strange to say the least. Added to that is that the assumption that there was an “aryan” race without practically any evidence of term being used to denote a race. Does that philosophy not imply that what ever you want to assume you can assume without even worrying about it being false or true.

          Even your association of ANI and ASI with north Indian and south Indian has no valid reasons. Recent surveys do show that almost all Indians have both of these groups traces. There are even theories that mixture of these two may have taken place long back more than even 40,000 years back.

          You seem to be of the view that openness means to start with some out-dated eurocentric ideas started during colonial period and try to “prove” them by hook and crook without worrying about proper study to find out truth and formulate assumptions based on reliable observations. That does not start any kind of study -open or closed.

          Here we are not studying european history or eurocentric view point -idea is to study Indian history-a region where humans have lived for sufficiently long time, The idea is to study Indian history and it is surely not centred around just one phenomena of migration/invasion. The evidence has to based on records and data found here and only partial minor supports from out side, data. Any study starting with reverse as you are trying to argue is doomed to fail- just as by now practically every one has abandoned theory of aryan invasion- preservation of which was fought with all their might by ruling clans in history circles in our country and many others for more than 100 years.

          There is for example not much dispute about 500 Indus valley type sites being found on Ghaggar hakra river basin. Still there is a lot to study which has not been studied during last 100-150 years.
          It may be also interesting to study via data here to identify when exactly yamuna and satalaj changed their course. Just someone made assumption that recent change and drying up is only due to monsoon pattern, may not be enough.

          A proper study is always based on evidences, observations and analysis and not an attempt to formulate first an assumption without much basis and study encircling an effort to “prove” it,
          A lot has been lost during last 5-6 decades devoted to such motivated studies.

  • Jana krish

    The best way to defeat the leftist propaganda is for Hindus to take up dissemination of this information independently without government support or recognition. Schools and colleges with better standard and indigenous curriculum must be started without government recognition. The truth will emerge over a period of time and recognition will then follow. That I think is the only way to defeat the leftist. Prof.vaidyanathan has already suggested this approach. It’s high time Hindus start such an education system.

  • Subramaniam Narasimhan

    Dear Sir,

    Mere words expressed in gratitude shall do no justice for such a well-researched article.

    In this context, I would like to request you and the august readers of this forum to refer to the tome by Professor Edward Pokoke titled India in Greece, way back in 1851 – 52. This English native had a deep knowledge of Greek, Latin, Arabic, Persian, Samskritam, Pali, etc. He discusses at length a continuous, several centuries – possibly millenia – long migration of the people of North Western Indian, Northern Indian and Central Indian communities to Europe, West Asia, Egypt and all the way to the Pacific, prior to the advent of the City States of Greece and the pre-Christian Roman Empire. He
    extensively uses comparative philology in support of his arguments, using Pali and Samskritam and relating them to ancient Greek and Latin terms.

    This was the topic of discussion in many a modern European University, in the departments of History and Anthropology, prior to the imposition of the fake Aryan Invasion Theory by the British-European Colonial and Christian Theological
    appointees; evidently the latter got established on the firmament due to the brute-force methods adopted by the Colonial Administration first and by the pliant leftist polity in the post-Independence times next, while the former stayed on bookshelves of old libraries in Europe and eventually went out of print.

    Another major reason for this sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in is the lack of interest, lack of encouragement and lack of funding into the studies of Humanities in India, especially in matters related to linguistics (Samskritam, Pali, Prakrutham, Old Tamizh, Old Telugu, Maithily, Bhojpuri, etc.) and ancient history, ancient agronomics, ancient politics, Epigraphy and Archeology expounded by our own ancient authors, pre-Colonial, non-Nehruvian and non-Communist authors.

    Lack of knowledge of those ancient languages of the land has cost us a lot more than any other factor. (And I admit that this applies to this correspondent too.)

    (Regarding the DNA evidence that traces the entire Western Civilization to a single family and one man, – from Tajikisthan – this correspondent watched a two part documentary on the Public Channel TV-13 in New York, about 10 years ago. They have not re-telecast this particular documentary. Nor was it available for purchase in any stores.)

    With Best Regards,
    Subramaniam Narasimhan

    • Soumya Srajan

      Oh! Very interesting information.

  • Thank you for this piece . _/_