Hindus Are The Last Of The Pagans

Such are examples for us pagans of the gospel of the New Testament.  We are all…

Such are examples for us pagans of the gospel of the New Testament.  We are all dogs, murderers, sorcerers, idolaters, liars – all synonyms for devil-worshippers, to be slain if we do not believe in Jesus.

The fear, hate and death the Bible preaches (and that over the centuries it has practiced) are unmistakable; and the Old Testament is far far worse for nonbelievers. The Bible is the defining text of Christianity. It makes it the duty of the true Christian to convert or kill the nonbeliever. As with the Holy Bible, so with the Holy Koran.  We must either believe in Jehovah/Jesus or Allah/Mohammad or be killed by the devout followers of the duo in whom we choose not to believe.

I use the Authorised King James Version in this piece. Let us not forget that the word “testament” derives from the Latin “testis” which, as any phallus-worshipper knows, is what hangs below the phallus and is as much, or is the even more necessary, part of the male genitals as the phallus.

If I recall the story correctly, a man in those bad old testamentary days had to hold his testes as witness he was telling the truth (what a woman held, I do not know, or even whether she could be a witness, since the Bible quite clearly relegates her to inferiority). It is also to be noted that Muslims call their Koran the “Final Testament” ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur’an ).

It will be clear that, in the temporal world, I am a firm believer in the application long-term of the golden rule of reciprocity and, as I did in “Proselytisation in India: A Dharmic Perspective”, we pagans can and should interpret Christian (and, for that matter, Islamic) mythology as they do our dharma.

So, if Shaivas are phallus-worshippers since Macaulayans always translate “linga” as “phallus”, then, in exactly the same way, all those who define their faith in terms of the Testaments are testicle-worshippers since it cannot be denied that “Testament” derives from “testis”.

“Father”, with a capital F, is the mythical father of Jesus, mythical because he is alleged to be a god called Jehovah rather than the human husband of Jesus’s (human) mother (compare the stories of the fathering of Kunti’s sons, called “mythology” by Macaulayans). In fact, there is sufficient reason to seriously question the historicity of Jesus.

The “beast” is usually interpreted to be the antichrist:  http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/beast17.htm.

Jerusalem (Rev 21.10). Note the biblical sanction for the exclusion of nonbelievers from its holiest place. Compare the Saudi exclusion of kafirs from Mecca, and note that the Vatican State bars citizenship and property rights to Hindus. We, of course, celebrated iftar on the Har ki Pauri in Haridwar, and we welcome Christians and Muslims to own our sacred land. We welcome them to own us.

The Lamb is Jesus Christ

“Jesus Loves You”

Ravana (according to Macaulayan mythology) is a “demon.” The abode of demons is Hell. That is to where Jehovah, the Christian God, consigns us nonbelievers.  It is also to where Allah, the Islamic God, consigns us.

For a pagan, there is nothing to choose between the Holy Bible’s Old Testament and the Holy Koran. Both are about the same, differently-named, angry, vengeful God who ordains fear by, hate of and death to nonbelievers. Just check out, as a sample, the Old Testament’s books called Leviticus, Exodus and Deuteronomy.

But, as we pagans are told, “Jesus lives” and “Jesus loves”, and we are preached not the fire and brimstone of Jehovah of the Old Testament but the alleged love and compassion claimed in the New Testament for Jesus, His so-called son.

So, taking the text itself of the Holy Bible’s New Testament – the part that is about Jesus – how does Jesus tell us he loves us?

And the gospel must first be published among all nations (Mark 13.10). He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned (Mark 16.16). Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4.12). Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day (St John 6.54) For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed (St John 6.55) He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him (St John 6.56). 

Who shall not fear thee, O Lord…for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee (Rev 15.4).

To him [Christ] be glory and dominion for ever and ever (Rev 1.6). The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever (Rev 10.15) a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron (Rev 12.5).

…he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one (Luke 22.36) For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me (Luke 22.37). He that is not with me is against me (Luke 11.23, Matt 12.30). But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me (Luke 19.27). I am come to send fire on the earth (Luke 19.49). Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division (Luke 12.51). For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three (Luke 12.52). The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law (Luke 12.53). Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matt 10.34) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law (Matt 10.35) And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household (Matt 10.36).

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son (1 John 2.22). He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God (St John 3.18). He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him (St John 3.36). Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation (St John 5.24). I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins (St John 8.24). Of sin, because they believe not on me (St John 8.9).

I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father (St John 8.38)**. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him…he is a liar (St John 8.44).

And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power (Rev 9.3). And it was commanded them that they should…hurt…only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads (Rev 9.4).

If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark on his forehead, or in his hand (Rev 14.9)***. The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God…and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lord (Rev 14.10) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whomever receiveth the mark of his name (Rev 14.11).

Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth (Rev 16.1). And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image (Rev 16.2). And the beast was taken…and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone (Rev 19.20). And the remnant were slain with the sword (Rev 19.21). And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20.15).

…the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerors, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone (Rev 21.8). And there shall in no wise enter into it**** any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie; but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life***** (Rev 21.27). Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city (Rev 22.14) For without are dogs, and sorcerors, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie (Rev 22.15).

Slay them before me, says Jesus (Luke 19.27).

Fear, hate and death.

The Holy Koran teaches that we pagans are “the worst of created beings”. The Holy Bible preaches that we pagans are dogs, murderers, sorcerors, idolaters, liars – all synonyms for devil-worshippers.

Slay them before me, says Jesus.

Fear, hate and death.

According to Abrahamic mythology, Hell is the abode of the Devil. We pagans are his followers. Merely to exist as a non-believer is an affront, a challenge and a threat to the omnipotence of Jehovah/Allah. Therefore, it is the holy duty of the followers of Jehovah/Allah to convert us, so we acknowledge their God as all-powerful, or to eliminate us, so sending us to join in Hell the devil we worship.

Slay them before me, says Jesus.

Fear, hate and death.

It is therefore the Pope of Rome, who speaks on behalf of the Christian God, forecast in 1999 that “a great harvest of faith will be reaped in this vast and vital continent” (http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=1323). How do you reap a harvest? With a sickle or a scythe. You mow down the crop. You kill it.

Slay them before me, says Jesus.

Fear, hate and death.

It is therefore that Western so-called secular governments overtly and covertly support powerful and wealthy evangelical movements to convert us. Ultimately, as their historical record evidences, Christianity and Islam are not about divinity but about worldly power and wealth.

Slay them before me, says Jesus.

Fear, hate and death. The foundational ethos, the essential theme, the bhayanaka rasa of Islam and Christianity. The global historical practice and experience of these two exclusivisms – because they exclude the nonbeliever – is their faithfulness to their defining texts.

“Nowhere, but nowhere, in the world where the exclusivisms have conquered have they allowed significant pagan populations to survive. Nowhere in the territories of these monotheisms is there a meaningful survival of any pre-monotheism, any paganism. There is not one significant exception to this worldwide historical fact.”

We Hindus are the world’s last pagans. We ignore this empirical truth at our peril. 

  • Pingback: Hinduism is the Last Hope for World Peace | IndiaFactsIndiaFacts()

  • Brabantian

    Muslim extremists today are following the Christian pattern of extremism … which took several hundred years to die down after Christians began reading the Bible – the Jewish-Christian Bible is even more barbaric than the Qur’an, & was a source for the Qur’an

    Even half-buddhist-talk Jesus has some bad days in his ‘gospels’, accepting torture & a ‘king’ killing those not following him … Consider what happened after Gutenberg began printing the Bible & Protestants got Europeans reading it, believing it was the ‘Holy Book of God’:

    – Great peoples of the North American continent were genocidally exterminated by Christians, just like ancient Israelites exterminated entire races, including women & children, in ancient Palestine
    – One third of the population of central Europe died in brutal religious wars with extremists abounding
    – More than 100,000 European women were brutally killed, often by burning alive, because they were denounced as ‘witches’ by Christians reading the Bible

    And now Muslim extremism is in fact being fed by the internet … because Muslims are reading the Qur’an & discussing what it really says … it is not only ‘extremist Saudi madrassa schools’ tho they contribute much

    As reported in the press, young Muslim Qur’an readers are dismissing their moderate elder imams as ‘confused old men’ … Young Muslims say, ‘We know the standard Muslim imams are wrong, because we have read the Qur’an’ …

    This is parallel to the several hundred years of genocidally murderous wars & atrocities after Europeans began reading the Bible around the year 1500

    After 250 years of horror, Europeans finally began to climb out of their Bible-induced madness … which of course had only followed upon 500 years of previous genocidal madness & torture under the Vatican … which had been conducting international terrorist wars & even sacking the capital & stealing the gold of their fellow Christians, the Orthodox of Byzantium at Constantinope … the riches of Renaissance & modern Europe were built on that gold stolen by Crusaders

    In the 1700s, Europeans finally grew sick of the violence after 250 years & began to realise the Bible is not the truth, is not the ‘Word of God’ … & the ancient traditions of tolerant India, passed on in diminished form through Pythagoras & then the Greek & Roman Stoics, & then the Renaissance humanists … finally flowered again in the European Enlightenment … really a ‘2nd Enlightenment’ after that of ancient India & Persia (Not having slavery! Ending the death penalty! Modern sensible sexuality! 2000 years ago!)

    But even today, the age of Christian extremist genocidal torturers & murderers is still not over … many Yank Americans today, conduct war & torture with Bible in hand, the heirs of European fanatics of centuries earlier … Many crazy extremist Europeans had moved to the USA to try to create their BIble-like ‘promised land’ & their descendants still act out their pathologies

    It is unfair to expect Muslims to become less extremist more quickly than Christians did … How long will it take for Muslims to realise that, just like the Bible, the Qur’an is not true either, and the murdering-torturing ‘deity’ in them is not ‘God’ but a demon?

  • Rangaesh Gadasalli

    only hope for us the awakened and enlighted youth of India–75% of the population exposing the designs of the Abrahamic religions and putting pressures on Vatican and Islam to define Hinduism, in our way and we publicize this all around the world as Technology is available now to spread the message. Once the people come to know about all these Testaments and their real history, two things will happen. They will disown them or own them become targets for comediens. For this hindus need the help of other non abrahamic religions like Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism. This is very crucial as only India can takle the initiative and invite Vatican and other Islamic scholars to stop them from calling the Hindus pagans. can we do it?

    • Joseph C

      And most importantly “Hindus” like YOU should pack your bags and baggages living in western countries comfortably in the lap of luxury and head back to Hindu India to protect and guard it before the Chinese wipe it off completely.

  • Lalitaditya Muktapida

    As part of my series on Christianity, I want Y’all to see this really hilarious Video. It is not that Adam and Eve were fools. It is simply that Yahweh wanted Adam and Eve to eat that damned fruit. He set them up perfectly as this video explains. It will have you LYFAO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_a6RjR_AHY

  • Lalitaditya Muktapida

    Yo! What about the Shintos of Japan? Are they not Pagans too?

  • Pingback: paganism and the bible | Arya Samaj vs Catholic Christianity()

  • Luffy

    Bible In A Nutshell: Jehovah(Father) created Jeejus(Son) cause he was stupid enough to curse all humans to eternal damnation just because two fools Adam and Eve ate that forbidden fruit. Now Jehovah regretted his decision. So he created a son called Jeejus. If you believe in the Son you are saved from eternal damnation but if you don’t Hell Fire awaits you.

    Please, please send me to hell fire immediately. I refuse to be part of such stupidity. Oh by the way Jeejus please send some booze and girls also. Satan here I come. I love you boy. You seem a lot smarter.

    • Joseph C

      Sure your name is Luffy and not Lucifer LOL !’

  • @arthshastri

    While I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment in this article, the title is misleading on two counts and needs correction.

    One.
    Hindus are not really pagans in the European sense of the word. Pagan means “a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions”. This implies that Hinduism is an “alternate religion” when in reality it is the oldest. Also, paganism is associated with worship of natural forces either as an object, or out of fear. Whereas Hindus worship nature because it believes all objects to be a creation of, or a form of, Brahman. Which is a far superior philosophical basis for “nature” worship than worshiping it out of fear or out of wonder.

    Two.
    Even if the definition of pagan were modified based on the above, Hindus are not the “last of the pagans”, we are possibly “the largest pre Abrahamic community uninfluenced (not impressed) by Abrahamic philosophy”

    It is not accurate to use words that arose out of an Eurocentric worldview to define Indians and Hindus. We should simply call ourselves followers of Sanatan Dharma – the eternal faith. That, which always existed and will always exist, even if it runs out of mortal followers.

    • Surya Arunthavanathan

      I completely agree with @arthshastri. Terms such as ‘pagan’, ‘idols’ etc are words of abuse in the Judeo-Christian and Islamic worldview. We should rely on terms that arise out of the Indic tradition instead to describe our religion and not rely on an Abrahamic vocabulary.

      • edl

        but we ARE PAGANS in their eyes and i think thats what matters. some folks call us hindus,others questions this term ‘hindu’ and believe ‘sanatan dharm’ is more appropriate ,some says ‘vedic dharma’ ,it all seems trivial.

        • Shubhangi Raykar

          Why should it matter to us? It is a term not used in our context.We are sanatan dharmis.Hindus .I have always wondered why Christ is associated with mercy as it was not a universal but a selective quality.

          • edl

            well,it is used in our context by christian pastors. we r also known as “heathens” and “kaafirs”
            and it matters to us because this is exactly the basis of their hatred for us and thats why we see hundreds of temples demolished in the name of religion and frequent religious clashes in india, because we r pagans even our murderers become “saints” example st xavier and those saints who died in cuncolim revolt.

    • Krispy K

      The original sense of the word “pagan” was any religion that was not Abrahamic, not any religion that is not on a global scale. The definition may have evolved since, but the author would seem to be using it in its original sense.

      • Kraken

        As the article below explains, religion is not an Abrahamic word; it is a pagan word appropriated by Abrahamists. In other words, religion used to be a pagan word for paganism.

        http://www.federazionepagana.it/religioen.html

        • Krispy K

          Thanks for the link. The etymology is interesting. Though note it doesn’t change the fact that Christians originally used the word “pagan” to denote non-Abrahamics.

        • Anfauglir

          It took some time to track you down. Before I get to the reason for seeking you out:

          You might like to mention the following detail whenever you link to the federazionepagana page on the exclusively heathen meaning of religio:

          To be technical, “pagan”–in its original heathen, pre-christian sense–is a Roman word exclusively for ethnic Romans of the ancestral Roman religion (I think P. Chuvin is one of the sources for this). That is, “pagan” in its heathen sense means “heathen Roman”, not heathen anything else. As a result, Greeks of the age–despite being of the same religion as the Romans–are not “pagan” in that sense, because they’re not ethnically Roman, even though they had been part of the Roman empire. Christianity universalised the word pagan (besides making it connotative). It would be like calling Taoists and all other heathens of the world as “Hindus”.

          It’s because “pagan” already has an extant heathen meaning that I tend to use “heathen” for the general case, since it serves as the generalised transpose of “pagan”. I would have liked to have kept using “Hindu” for Hindu heathens, but that word has now been turned into a meaningless nothing, having essentially become the equivalent of Indian, encompassing not just Indian monotheists as others have argued but even non-Indian non-heathens.

          Now, as for why I came to find you:

          I think it was you who had wanted some examples of Buddhist/Jain nonsense claims on Hinduism. I already shared some links earlier discussion more extreme claims (they seem to work again now). But on this site itself I noticed a comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/hinduism_is_the_last_hope_for_world_peace/#comment-2442252963 that typifies a set of assertions that is increasingly made by subtle and not-so-subtle propagators. What’s more disturbing is how almost no one objects, despite it being highly objectionable for being blatantly false. This silence from heathen Hindus (admittedly not well represented on the web) has only emboldened claimants, who thus think they can get away with their blatant falsehoods and which directly results in these very claims increasing in frequency. Obviously, I was provoked into responding (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/hinduism_is_the_last_hope_for_world_peace/#comment-2474665583 and with some more details at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/hinduism_is_the_last_hope_for_world_peace/#comment-2474890709. Typically the claimants give no references for their own extreme assertions, but will demand references for what was actually known/established as the status quo.
          Since you had earlier indicated you did not stand for such things either, the latter link contains some pointers for if you ever have to countenance the same nonsense. I avoided arming the not-so-subtle Buddhism/Jainism/whatever propagator with direct references: no point giving these people information that will only want to make them contort their radical claims into more desperate assertions.)

          The problem is no longer with the missionary religions. It is with post-heathens who roll over to all the missionary competitors and just allow these to pillage from Hindu heathenism.

          • Kraken

            Hey, hope you are in the best of health and spirit. Amazing piece of information (as always)! Thanks for the same. It’s been a while since I came across any post from you. I completely agree with your assertion regarding Hindus being indifferent about protecting their heritage. As I said earlier, I have a few issues of contention which I will discuss with you later (kinda busy with my professional engagements). Take Care.

    • Luffy

      Hahahaa just go to a Shani Temple on a Saturday. Your hallucinations that Hindus don’t worship out of fear would go away. I am Founder of an Astrology Website so I know more then you. I am trying to do my bit by showing readers that Karma is the cause of their misery and not Planets but at this point I am miserably failing.

      Hindus are by far the most fearful people I have come across. Others fear hell but Hindus fear the unknown future knowing fully well karma drives the future. You can keep arguing with me like that other guy who replied to you or you can accept it and change this madness like I am trying to change.

      I know everyone would hate reading this but this is the inconvenient truth that Hindus must acknowledge cause Accepting is the first step to Changing the Wrong.

      • @arthshastri

        Just because some Hindus (wrongly) fear God does not mean every one does. More importantly, it does mean that it is sanctioned by the Vedas. And it is unclear what the inconvenient truth you are referring to is ?

      • prashants5 .

        Even if I agree with you for a moment, why do you think “God Fearing” is wrong? There are Tamasik Senses and in order to control these Senses, if being God fearing is one way, how it is wrong? Because you are founder of an Astrology Website doesn’t make you a subject experts. Your ignorance is sharply visible.

        • Luffy

          My ignorance or your hypocrisy? When do I care if you fear or don’t fear. The hell I care about Satvit, Tamsic and Rajsic. I don’t give two hoots what Vedas have to say.

          I just stated the obvious. Tough luck if you don’t like it. I am fed up of idiotic Sanatan Dharmis telling me what to do and what not to do. If you don’t like criticism of Hinduism then bloody stop criticizing other religions. I make fun of Mohammad and Jeejus as much as I make fun of Shiva and Vishnu whom I revere.

          If they have a problem with my making fun of them they can come down and rip me to shreds. I don’t need no Sanatan Morons telling me what to do and what not to do.

          • prashants5 .

            Of course your Ignorance. Instead of answering my question “Why do you think God fearing is wrong, you are showing your brilliance and art of using English Language that contains heavy adjectives and nouns. I didn’t ask you to give two or hundred hoots what Vedas have to say because I very well understand you have no knowledge what Veda has inside. It is all up to you.

            I simply replied your “I know more than you”. On the other hand, fundamentally flawed people shouldn’t be engaged with in any debate or criticism.

          • Luffy

            So I am ignorant, fundamentally flawed and lack the qualities to engage in debate and criticism. Its true I have no clue about Vedas. I am absolutely ignorant about the concept of Sanatan Dharma.

            But I do know a little of Gita. Apparently your Krishna says not to engage with ignorant people like me in Chapter 18 Shloka 67. I suppose a knowledgeable and worthy person like you should listen to your God’s advise.

            I only pray to Green God called Money. He also says not to engage with those who waste my time. So I am signing off. Green God here I come. I bow down to thee who is the source of all happiness in this world.

      • Jishnu

        So where does Sani worship fall in the whole spectrum of Hindu theology? When you boast you know more than others, you are most likely not aware of what you are not aware of. Hallucinations it seems.

        “Hindus are by far the most fearful people I have come across”

        Thats quite the opposite of reality – Hindus are the least fearing whether it is to face truth or to face their peril or to face uncertainity. That is what past and present tell.

        Hindus are sin-fearing and god-devoted, that is they have pApa bhIti and daiva bhakti. Unlike the abrahamic god-fearing and sin-obsessed. But knowing such basics would come from commonsense which is not so common. So, …

        • Luffy

          Hell I care. I didn’t reply to any of you. You all came barging in when I told the other guy that Hindus do fear.

          I stand by my view whether anyone likes it or not. Didn’t your Krishna say to be calm in both criticism and praise in Chapter 12 Verse 19. Why don’t you follow your Gods teaching instead of giving me all this unnecessary Sanatan Knowledge.

          Now if you would excuse me my Green God called Money is calling me. So I am signing off. Have a nice day.

          • Jishnu

            I least care whether you pretend to care. This is a public forum and your pretenses of who you responded to is not at all important. What you pretend to stand by when you have no clue of what you say, is also of least importance. That you want to be excused in the excuse of money, is just another demonstration of how much this topic is significant to you.

      • Shubhangi Raykar

        fearful means someone who puts fear in you and not full of fear.

    • Udit

      Lol u all are confused bcoz of poor translation of our Sanskrit texts.. Linga word in Sanskrit means centre of energy. That’s why we worship shiv ling , it is not (dick) . Lingam means centre of energy. Also yoga , ayruveda etc many are the roots of Hinduism or (sanatan religion) original name. Hinduism is here much before than the existence of abhramic religions. The books Vedas are millions of years old. When u people don’t even know how to count , hindu rishis , calculated the distance between sun and earth. Speed of light etc in Vedas. Search a lil and u will know. Gravity etc everything was already been said in Vedas which are more than 500 BCE old. But when Christianity spread like a plague ( as a jew propaganda) they removed everything from history but still we have Vedas which are scientifically proven that are the oldest ones and predicted most of the things . We worship nature and Shiva is the creator. He is not destroyer. As everything started from him and end in him. Again it will start and end. It’s a cycle. Noob xians .. here is my email. [email protected] if I want to discuss and want proofs.

  • Chaitu

    sigh..! I wonder how will it be possible to spread this knowledge to every hindu.I see ppl celebrating christmas more than diwali! I see HIndus respecting christ but not vice versa. 🙁

    • @arthshastri

      This is not surprising as it is ingrained in the respective philosophies. Abrahamic faiths are exclusive i.e. My God is the ONLY and this God will save you if you are one of us, else HE will send you to hell”. Dharmic faiths are inclusive i.e. the reality is one, but worshiped by many names. Worshiping a different name or form will not send you to hell”