Made Snana: Another case of dismantling Hindu practices?

The controversial practice of “Made-Snana”, which involves devotees rolling over the food leftover by Brahmins, in certain temples of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, once every year is again under attack.

The controversial practice of “Made-Snana”, which involves devotees rolling over the food leftover by Brahmins, in certain temples of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, once every year is again in the news. This time, it is due to the BJP government at the center, which has urged the Supreme Court to ban the practice, which it terms as being “against the constitutional value of justice, equality and human dignity.

For long, the secular and Dalit activists in Karnataka have described the practice as being castiest, anti-Dalit, and inhumane. It appears, the BJP government at the center, which, though came to power at the back of Hindu votes, have interiorized these arguments presented by the activists, without examining their validity and truth value.

Before going further, let us first examine the practice of “Made-Snana”.

What is Made Snana

“Made” in Tulu language refers to leftover food and “Snana” means bath. As mentioned above, the practice involves devotees rolling over the food leftover by Brahmins and then having bath in the river, which marks the completion of the ritual. This ritual practice is at least 500 years old and is a prominent part of the annual 3-day festival at KukkeSubrahmanya in Dakshina Kannada district in Karnataka. The practice is also observed in few other Subrahmanya temples in Karnataka, in Vaishnava temples like those in Udupi, Karnataka and during the annual Aradhana festival at the NerurSadasivaBharmendrai Temple in Karur district, Tamil Nadu.

The practice traces itself a legend about Samba, the son of Lord Krishna. According to this legend, when Samba was cursed by some sages, he visited the Kukke Subrahmanya temple to get relief from the curse. He is supposed to have taken a bath in the Kumaradhara River that flows near the temple and performed “Made Snana” i.e. rolled over the food leftover by the Sages and Rishis, who had visited the temple. The legend says that due to the performance of such Made Snana, Samba was able to get rid of those curses.

Whether this account is literal or metaphorical is better left to each individual. Nevertheless, this account is very significant for one particular reason: it provides a clear picture about the essence of the practice of “Made Snana” and how it is to be understood. Samba performed this ritual as an austerity, as an act of repentance and self-purification. There was neither coercion nor any force on him to perform this. Instead, his state of mind was one of complete devotion and surrendering to the God. He performed the activity with complete dedication and detachment, and without a care for how it is perceived by the society. Under normal circumstances, rolling over leftover food is perceived, at large by the society, as an unhygienic, impure, and undignified activity.

Hence, by overcoming these inhibitions and performing the Made-Snana by dedicating his action to the divine, Samba was able to set aside his pride and ego, and transcend the mental conditioning like purity/impurity, praise/shame, good/bad, etc. In other words, Made-Snana must be understood as a Tapas- a legitimate spiritual austerity, which helps one to overcome internal conditioning by facilitating internal purification. Made-Snana is, thus, a fine example of how Karma Yoga and Bhakti Yoga can be combined into an Adhyatmic practice, without one having to spend years in learning complicated scriptures or performing intricate rituals. In many ways, practices like Made-Snana, can be compared to the path of extreme love travelled by the likes of Gopis, who were asked by Lord Krishna, to come out of the lake naked, so as to help them transcend the conditioning of shame and attain perfection in their Bhakti; as well the path taken by many Nagas and Kapalikas, who indulge in extreme actions shunned and tabooed by the society, so as to transcend the duality of good/bad, pure/impure, etc.

Why the government argument is incorrect

The Union government in its affidavit to the Supreme Court has contended: “These rituals may be voluntary, but since human dignity and health of concerned persons is affected and are against constitutional value of justice, equality and human dignity, they ought not to be defended under Article 25 of the Constitution of India which relates to right to freedom of religion.”

But, the question the government must ask itself is, whose “human dignity” is actually being violated? Whether it is the dignity of the government and the activists (who are mostly atheists and agnostics, and in any case, are not practitioners of the Made-Snana), or is it the dignity of the devotees, who perform Made-Snana? If the government is trying to uphold the “dignity” of the devotees, why haven’t not even a single devotee has come forward raising objections against the practice till date?

On the contrary, it is the very people whose dignity are supposed to have been violated, for example, the members of Malekudiya-a Scheduled Tribe community, who are fighting against the repeated attempts to ban the ritual. They have been fighting a legal battle to protect the ritual under the banner of “Rajya Adivasi Budakattu Hitarakshana Vedike” (Platform for protection of interests of the State’s Scheduled Tribes).

The Vedike’s president, Bhaskar Bendodi, in his interview with Udayavani in 2015 had said:

“People from Brahmin communities and people hailing from all other communities perform this ritual out of their own wish. It is a sort of cathartic communication with the supreme divine for many. The ritual should never be gauged in terms of logic because it is a subjective matter governed by sentiments and belief system of the people performing it.”

Bendodi’s statement not only exposes the hollowness of the argument that Made-Snana violates ‘human dignity’ (since, the practitioners of the ritual themselves perceive it as a “cathartic” spiritual activity, and not as inhumane practice), it also exposes the hollowness of the allegation that the practice perpetrates caste discrimination. Though, it is true that the majority of the devotees of the practice hail from poor, backward, and tribal communities, this in itself cannot be taken as caste discrimination.

Instead, the fact that many Brahmins, especially from Shivalli Brahmin community practice Made-Snana (as shown in the Udayavani report), and these practices are not sponsored by the temples themselves, clearly shows how neither caste nor discrimination has any role to play in the ritual. Add to this the fact that in at least one temple, Beteraya Swamy temple at Turuvekere, it is the Brahmin devotees, who perform the Made-Snana by rolling over the food leftover by Dalits.

This being the case, the fact that a large number of devotees belong to poor and backward classes, only goes to show that the ritual has organically evolved to cater to the Adhyatmic needs of the poor and backward communities, who otherwise don’t have time, money, education, or inner temperament to indulge in years of scriptural study or expensive elaborate ritualism for fulfilling their Adhyatmic needs. Thus, the BJP government at the center is making a grave mistake by falling into the false propaganda of the secular and left-liberal activists.

What is at stake here

The movement to ban Made-Snana is not to be mistaken as an isolated movement against a practice which has been wrongly perceived as caste discrimination. Instead, it must be understood in the larger context of concerted attempts of secularization and semitization of the Indian society, as part of which various Hindu traditions and practices are being dismantled using Equality and Rights discourse. Similar discourses have been propagated around practices like Jallikattu, Sallekhana, the entry of women in Sabarimala and ShaniSingapura temples, celebration of festivals like Dahi-Handi, Diwali, etc. to name a few.

These mainstream discourses are not only deliberately misleading, they follow a definite pattern. These secularizing and semetizing forces, first separate the mundane aspect of a Hindu practice from its sacred aspect. They, then, isolate, sideline, and discard the sacred aspect under the garb of superstition and blind-belief. And finally, the mundane aspect is portrayed as a violation of one or the other Rights (human rights, women rights, animal rights, etc.) and/or as perpetrating inequality and discrimination (against women, dalits, etc.) and a ban on those practices are demanded.

This very same pattern is being used in the case of Made-Snana as well. The entire discourse has been created around how the practice is inhuman, discriminatory and violation of human dignity. Unfortunately, the BJP government, which is supposed to be taking care of Hindu interests, has clearly lapped up this propaganda and hence has made the said appeal to the court. The BJP government is either unaware or is deliberately turning a blind eye towards the likely consequences of its support for a ban on Made-Snana. The ban, if it materializes, would deprive the poor and the backward of a genuine Adhyatmic practice and place them at a spiritual disadvantage, the very same people, whose welfare the government claims to uphold by such a ban. The ban would result in the dismantling of a 500-year old, organically evolved spiritual practice, which was tailor made for those, who did not have the competency or were otherwise unable to access complicated spiritual practices for attaining inner purity and spiritual advancement. More importantly, it would alienate these people from their culture and tradition and prepare the ground for harvesting of souls by the evangelists. In other words, it would facilitate the semetization agenda of evangelical projects like Thessalonica and pave way for the destruction of diversity and dismantling of the entire Hindu Dharmic eco-system.

Parallel with movement against BettaleSeve

Made-Snana is not the first Hindu practice in Karnataka against which huge negative discourse has been built by the secular activists. In the mid-1980s, there was a huge controversy around the practice of “BettaleSeve”, a form of naked worship dedicated to Goddess Renukamba at Chandragutti, when the activists of Dalit Sangharsh Samiti, few women’s groups, and NGO’s forcefully tried to stop the devotees from performing BettaleSeve by asking them to wear clothes. The devotees, who became enraged by the obstruction caused by these activists, got violent and beat some of the social workers. This incident placed the BettaleSeve in the limelight, which ultimately resulted in the banning of the practice in 1992.

This form of service or “Seve” is performed once a year during the annual Jathre (fair/festival) at the Chandragutti temple. It is important to note that BettaleSeve constitutes only one among the large number of services that devotees undertake like Shirasashtanganamaskaraseve (where devotees worship by lying fully prostrate on the ground), uruluseve (where the devotees worship by rolling around the sanctum sanctorum), oddhe-yudigeseve (worship performed wearing wet clothes), arashinadhudigeseve (worship by applying turmeric paste all over the body), bevinudigeseve (worship performed by wearing neem leaves as garment), etc., none of which involved devotees getting naked.

During BettaleSeve, devotees used to take a bath in the Varada River, which is near the Renukamba temple and then ran naked up to the temple. After having the Darshana of the Goddess Renukamba, the devotees used to visit the nearby Matangi temple, where they would receive new clothes to wear. Devotees perceived the ritual as a form of austerity and purification and often practiced them as a prayashchita (repentance and expiatory action) for any unrighteous actions, to fulfill their vows, for having their desires fulfilled, or simply as a spiritual practice.

The practice traces its roots to two legends involving Renukamba, the mother of Parashurama. In the first legend, after Jamadagni asks Parushurama to cut off Renukamba’s head, since, she had become enamored by a Gandharva, Renukamba runs to save her life. While she is running, her garments falls away and she becomes completely naked. She takes shelter in a Shiva temple by embracing Shiva Linga and becomes one with it. In the second legend, when Parashurama goes away to fight degenerate Kshatriyas, he asks Matangi’s son Beerappa to protect his mother, Renukamba. When, instead of protecting Renukamba, Beerappa tries to molest her, Mathangi comes to her rescue and gives her new garments in protection.

Both these legends clearly associate Bettele-Seve with austerity, purification, and expiation. That Renukamba shed her clothes and took refuge in Lord Shiva as Linga, is a reference to austerity and surrendering to divinity, similar to those performed by Goddess Parvati, who is called “Aparna”, as she shed all her clothing. The giving of clothes by Matangi to Renukamba and its imitation by the devotees, refers to how the ritual is purifying in nature. Thus, Bettale-Seve, like Made-Snana is an organically evolved spiritual practice, which combines both Bhakti Yoga and Karma Yoga.

Yet, a negative discourse was created around this practice by portraying it as a violation of the dignity of women and caste discrimination. It is to be noted that, like Made-Snana, even in the case of Bettale Seve, the majority of the devotees belonged to poor, backward and the downtrodden classes and they were predominantly women. Yet, even here many devotees not only belonged to non-dalit and the so-called forward classes, there were many male devotees as well. In fact, Bettale Seve performed at few other temples like the Yellamma temple at Saundatti, Belgaum district, included naked worship by Jogappas and Jogammas- men and women who remain celibate and dedicated to divine. These clearly establish how the discourse created by social activists around BetteleSeve was motivated, had no basis in ground reality, and deliberately did not take into account the perception and experience of the devotees themselves.

Writing about this negative discourse surrounding Bettale Seve created in the name of reforms and modernity, P. Radhika, in her article “Nude Worship in Karnataka”, published in Economic and Political Weekly, writes:

“The reformist discourse that characterized positions against bettaleseve was carried out within the tradition-versus-modernity frame. The state, the media, and social activists came together on this reformist agenda of eradicating a practice that was seen as ‘a shame and a black spot on civilization’. Parliament called upon all organizations “to eradicate this inhuman practice.’ The reformist discourse problematically uses a single measure of the modern and civilized to calibrate all practices and works within a linear, evolutionary model that sees all history as moving towards a hegemonic modern ideal. In this discourse, bettaleseve was an inhuman and backward practice from which the women needed to be uplifted.”

Radhika, further compares this discourse around Bettale Seve with the colonial discourse, which was created around the practice of Sati during the British rule and writes:

“The anti-bettaleseve discourse shares similarities with the anti-sati discourse of the colonial period. In both cases, the practices were decried as superstitious and backward using words like ‘pre-modern’, ‘blind’, and ‘shameful’. If in the sati debate, abolition of sati by the colonial state and the indigenous reformers represented a desire to modernize, here, bettale-seve was seen as an aberration in a civilized and modern world. Analyses of both phenomena follow similar paths, especially in the textualization of the practice, in proposing explanatory theories, and in foregrounding the question of agency… The media, psychologists, and sociologists put forward explanatory theories of bettaleseve around “hidden meanings” and “mental states” of the devotees, much like in the colonial and anthropological writings around sati. The practice was seen as resulting from a psychological disorder that affected individuals with a weak mind or body… Both the sati and bettaleseve subject were seen as inebriated, literally through liquor and metaphorically in superstition… what is troubling is that within the framing of the bettaleseve performer-as-victim, there is an unwillingness to acknowledge that bettaleseve can be practiced without coercion.”

Thus, in the 1980s, a false propaganda campaign about the violation of dignity and discrimination against Dalits and women was created against the practice of Bettale Seve, the way a similar campaign was created more than a hundred years before about Sati. Today, yet another similar campaign is being run against Made-Snana. The goal remains the same: dismantling Hinduism. The means employed remains the same: creating misleading discourse using equality and rights narrative. Only the time, context, and technicalities have changed.

It is high time for the BJP to realize its folly in aiding these dismantling forces and take corrective actions, so as to prevent complete semetisation of this country.

Image Courtesy: The Hindu

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With a degree in civil engineering, and having worked in construction field, Nithin Sridhar passionately writes about various issues from development, politics, and social issues, to religion, spirituality and ecology. He is based in Mysore, India. His latest book “Musings On Hinduism” provides an overview of various aspects of Hindu philosophy and society. Tweets at @nkgrock
  • Kannan Rangasamy

    Let people from all caste dine and then devotees can roll over the left over then it is ok

  • Ashish

    Samba rolled over the food left by ‘Sages’ & ‘Rishis’ but not on some ordinary Brahmin’s left over. Here dalits roll on ordinary Brahmins left over food or unless you believe all Brahmins are rishis & sages by default.

  • JustSaying

    They are “birth” Brahmins not true Brahmins. It would be nice if the birth Brahmins too rolled in the eaten food of so-called lower caste people. After all they too need enlightenment, freedom from sins etc etc, don’t they ?

    • dharma somashekar

      Looks like u did not read the article…..
      ‘”Add to this the fact that in at least one temple, Beteraya Swamy temple at Turuvekere, it is the Brahmin devotees, who perform the Made-Snana by rolling over the food leftover by Dalits”

      • JustSaying

        I read the article.
        One swallow doesn’t make a summer. Let all of them get rolling.

  • Siddappa Jalageri

    I beg to differ,
    Aparna means the one who lives by eating leaves… Wrong info presented in the article..

    Madesnaana, Sati sahagamana, bettale seve, each of these are TRADITIONS, not cultural practices.
    Each of these are done to make the volunteer feel he/she is being blessed for the better. Brain-washed volunteer (who most of the times, doesn;t have a voice of their own) willing to perform the act is not the espousal of free-will or lack of force.
    Take Roop Kanwar’s sati incident. Even today, bigwigs of VHP talk it like 10 generations of her family will go to heaven, due to her attaining Sati-hood.

    He could have added the Devadaasi (Add the mutthu kattu practiced) system, which is hell bent on exploiting rural ladies.
    Reform in Hinduism has been meeting with resistance & the author is doing a disfavor to reforms that ought to happen asap.

    On a sidenote, Christian conversions started to get noticed, only when religious ecosystem started to feel a pinch, due to lack of followers. Brahmin is by study, not birth says big-tomes. But even today, priests are nominated only due to birth, not based on studies.

    It’s time, we Hindus start to look at our practices with open-mind, rather than with closed-mind.

    • JustSaying

      Very well said. But there is no lack of followers. It is just that people are slowly moving away from rituals that are downright weird and discriminatory.

    • Ishan

      Devadasi system was a creation of the British so that the British troops had regular access to
      teenaged girls. Type into google search:

      DEVADASI SYSTEM , THE IMMORAL LIE OF TEMPLE DANCER PROSTITUTES CREATED BY THE WHITE INVADER – CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL…………………and read the first link.

      • Kannan Rangasamy

        that wrong it was not created by british. Read history there are evidences that it existed almost 800 years back

  • Aditya

    I would like to disagree with the author. Before I make my point I’d like to tell you that few years ago my mom’s uncle was heading the temple management committee. So I know few things about this.
    First of all people are conditioned to believe that its our tradition. Hinduism has always been a progressive and a rational religion. Our traditions have changed according to time. I believe this practice should be abolished. Until few years ago only brahmins would have food and people would roll on the left overs of only the brahmins. Why not the other castes?
    If you have been to this ritual you’d notice that only non brahmins do this ritual. You wont find a single LOCAL brahmin who does this. I think Calvin has a point.
    Just by having a thread brahmins would be allowed to eat first and people roll on it. Gone are the days of rolling over the leftovers of sages and these people are not even brahmins in true sense.
    If you have been to the temple you might see a common mess hall but there is another small hall (you have a table instead of siting on the floor) where only brahmins (those who know there exists such a hall) or influential locals are allowed to have food.
    My point is people are conditioned to believe that it is a tradition. IMO we should go away with it. Its mostly dalits or backward castes who do this. By abolishing this we are not going to lose anything but at least the BCs might not feel that they are being discriminated.

    PS: I stay within 10kms of the temple 🙂

    • JustSaying

      Excellent post.

  • dharma somashekar

    Nithin Sridhar
    Thanks a lot for giving different perspectives to this Urulu-Seve ( rolling service) ritual. Hindu practices are too complex and complicated for even a Hindu to understand,only the ones who enquire deeply will realise it helps one at all levels physical,mental and spiritual eg rolling fully stretched exercises/awakens every cell in the body, rolling on left over eaten food,(jutan)to break down ones ego (once the ego is broken) one is on a spiritual path.This is too complex for most Hindus and all non Hindus to understand, so the Hindus just follow it as it is handed over to them by their elders/ancestors the others don’t bother to enquire and it becomes a topic for non Hindus to criticise.
    And would it be too much to ask our” Nnyaya Murthy “s to pls try it as an exercise and experience (not on the left over food ) before they strike down a deep meaning ritual followed for centuries,especially when it is don voluntarily.

    • JustSaying

      ha ha ha . This is precious. You seemed to have rolled a lot to get this much intelligence and experience. Keep rolling.

      • dharma somashekar

        There is a (just) saying in Kannada ” Katthe genu gotthu Batthada Guna” Hindi eqvavalent “gaddha kaya jaane adrak ka Swadh ” and ” baens Kaya Samje bansuri ke sur” just saying !!

        • JustSaying

          At least get the phrase correct. It is not Gadha it is bandar. No wonder you defend weird rituals. How do you know monkeys/donkeys do not like taste of ginger ? I guess you tasted it and did not like it. That is why you are saying monkeys/donkeys don’t like it. You do realise what that makes you, don’t you ?

          • guest

            There is a ritual that many countries engage in, its quite violent, but it has become such a ritual that they show it on television, drinking games are set around it, and no one even realises that it is only a ‘game’ people get serious, get drunk, beat people up if their team does not win. Grown, big men, run after an inflated ball, and everyone wants to catch it, and then during that process they hit each other, often here are injuries involved. THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF KILLING YOUR EGO TO GO ON A SPIRITUAL PATH. it is absolutely fake, and made up, people and governments spend millions on it every year….may be you prefer that kind of weirdness. For us ordinary folks who see poetry in between life and death, such rituals make sense. No apologies though to you, if you do not understand that, your loss, or maybe your choice. Our grandness however lies in ‘no insulting’ the ones who think running after and inflated ball, is a game worthy enough to spend hours or dollars on.

          • JustSaying

            Football is a sport. If you want rolling around in food left over by the so-called upper castes to be declared as a sport , I don’t have a problem.

          • guest

            Just Saying, read the article, it is not just the upper castes who do it…..

          • JustSaying

            I have read it and what you are saying has already been answered.

          • guest

            But you still do not have the humility to say ‘they are talking about principles I do not understand.’

          • JustSaying

            I have intelligence to understand they are not talking about principles but about ridiculous rituals they are trying to pawn off as spiritual and whatnot. I also have the intelligence to not show misplaced humility. Please get lost now.

          • guest

            In short, all the things you do not understand or do not fit in your limited worldview are to be doubted and laughed upon. And that is how an ‘intelligent’ conversation is ended, ‘I know, I have intelligence, no more further talk on it.’. Ok!!

          • JustSaying

            You are being ridiculous . The “world-view” argument is made by hypocrites when their position becomes untenable hoping to give them some wriggle room. Cannibalism also does not fit into my human world view.
            This ridiculous practice of rolling into somebody else’s left over food will be discarded once the law is made. That is what happens to rituals that people do not buy into but practice only under societal pressure of the so called upper castes.
            This conversation had intelligence only from my side, from your side there was only ridiculousness.

          • guest

            This ain’t canabalism!! So any comparison is ridiculous!! You do not buy into it, that is fine, but imposing your will on others, is nothing but what you have accused others of.
            PS: You do have a world view, and it is not accommodating of what ever you do not understand and you want the world to think like you. and hence your focus on these laws. Do not forget that rituals have a way of returning—we simply cannot live without rituals. creating empty ones like sports (which has much corruption around it) does not help. You may not want to do it, let those who believe in it, do it. it causes less harm and does not include wasting millions like in many modern rituals.

          • JustSaying

            You are assuming I do not understand. I don’t really care about that.
            What you are talking about is not Meditation or Yog or sewa like wiping somebody’s shoes or cleaning up a temple. You are basically asking people to roll into food that your so-called “upper-caste” friends are too full to eat or have spit out while eating. How nice !!!. I don’t have a problem with the ritual, the problem is people like you who attempt to pawn off ridiculous things under the garb of spirituality and Hinduism. Funnily enough the Abrahamics also try to pass of ridiculous, disgusting things under the name of their God.
            As I have already said, non-discriminating rituals will always thrive because they bring people together. But rituals like Made-Snan will fall off eventually. Once the law is passed people will give the excuse of the law to not participate in this weird ritual unlike the Hindu festival of Dahi Handi becasue Dahi Handi brings people together irrespective of their caste.
            You don’t understand Dharm at all.

          • guest

            I am not assuming, you are simply stating that by your choice of words. And ‘not to care’ is quite an interesting way of acknowledging that in many matters there is not black and white, right or wrong.
            And please stop this thing about ‘upper caste’. THERE IS NO–NOT A SINGLE CULTURE that does not have its own caste system, they may not want to talk about it. while I will say for sure that caste system got distorted, you must know that the point of caste was not that it was by birth, it was by action. So, one family could have many castes. Did you know that there were shudra kingdoms? that we have dalit or backward classes gods? well, shiva would be considered one. And guess what, we worship them. So, that vocabulary you are using is outdated and without a complete understanding that divisions have existed and by nature of the world THEY WILL ALWAYS EXIST. I know, I am in a profession where I see it everyday. Even though we deny it.
            http://yugaparivartan.com/2016/05/20/casteism-and-hinduism-are-like-oil-and-water/

            Christinaity and Islam clearly state those who do not believe are heathens and infidels respectively. That is a caste system. And they treat them as such. Christianity was made state religion and those who did not follow were persecuted, they did not rest until they were all converted. Islam, well, don’t even get me started. Hinduism, well, caste system yes, but then all castes are revered and caste is by character and karma.

            So, those who engage in knowledge, not allowed to own much land or weapons– are brahmins.

            England and other places, power was all in a few hands, money, land, power all in one class.

            As for food–YOU KNOW NO ONE IS FORCING, THIS IS A VOLUNTARY performance, so there is no compulsion.¨

            Lastly, ever heard of food fights? they are legal and they do not fight with leftover food, they fight with real, untouched food and much is wasted, not to mention there is not great philosophy behind it. This is entirely different, and yes, you do not understand it, because you are driven by denouncing it, and have little knowledge of caste or how various castes have functioned in all cultures, and religions.

            Btw, thanks for writing, makes it clear for other readers, how little you understand. Thankyou!

          • guest

            also, this is not a sport, an act of bringing your ego down, so that we can arrive at higher levels of thinking. if you have never understood that concept, then at least you can accept it.

          • JustSaying

            Really ?
            Nice talking to you man. I know your time is precious so I will take your leave.

  • calvin

    Simple solution make Brahmins do Made Snan everywhere,then let them call it casteist.

    BJP’s own cultural illiteracy aside,this is probably to look nice in front of Dalits,ofc,this will not work,but what is one tradition when it comes to garnering hard to get votes.

    Hope ReadytoWait succeeds.

    • prashants5 .

      >> Simple solution make Brahmins do Made Snan everywhere,then let them call it casteist.

      An ignorant like you with monkey brain only can write on subjects without knowing the fact. Made Snan is done by all categories of your so called castes including Brahmins. Read the article completely and then talk to someone you know who are doing this to get first-hand knowledge and then comment.

      Don’t be victim of Marxists/Christian propaganda.

      • calvin

        If all castes did this, would this even be banned, you read the article yourself, even if at certain sites Brahmins do Made Snan, after eating foods of Dalits, this is not widespread enough and overwhelmingly lower castes practise this, hence why it is so easy to attack this in the first place.

        • guest

          its because these bans never based on an understanding nor are they concerned in understanding. if they understood and knew that some of our gods and rishis were dalits and lower castes, the whole point of caste accusation will vanish, but they ignore those aspects and keep ranting casts…..caste–caste–caste…(one can hear the portugese/spanish in it…nothing to do with jati and varna…)

  • R. Singh

    Sridhar

    Is Sati another ‘Hindu” practice we should bring back?

    • prashants5 .

      >> Is Sati another ‘Hindu” practice we should bring back?

      Another stereo typed Marxist/Christian Propaganda, spread by their followers.

      Sati was never a social custom or practice that was NORM in Hindu Socieyt but completely voluntarily act mentioned starting from Puranas and Epic such as Mahabharat in few special cases. Mostly FEW Kshatriya Women have practiced it time to time voluntarily. For example, Kunti of Mahabharat didn’t become SATI while Madri became SATI upon Pandu’s Death. Because that is what she chose that her Dharma towards her Husband’s Death.

      Historically, when Moghuls invaded, the Women from Rajput did choose for SATI to avoid being Raped, Murdered and Tortured. I am really appalled at your ignorance.

    • Audit Uscirf

      Sati was never an established Hindu religious practice. Not even 0.01% of women committed Sati. The only documented evidence is women committing Johar/Sati to avoid being raped and sold in slavery in markets of Baghdad and Middle east.

      In contrast, There are many widows who fought for rights.
      – Widow queen Naikidevi of gujarat defeated Mohamad Ghori in a battle near Mount Abu.
      – Widow queen Tarabai successfully resisted Mughals for many years as commander of Maratha forces.

      – Widow queen Sujana bai of thangavur resisted french invasion.
      – Widow queen Laxmi bai was a true sati who died fighting british.

      • R. Singh

        First since when did Hinduism become a mazhab/religion?

        One thought it was a philosophy, not based on blind belief

        As for widow and widowhood

        Orthodox mazhab which tries to pass itself off as Hinduism, has no respect for a lady who becomes a widow.

        A widow was/is shunned.

        • JustSaying

          Really ? Veds advocated widow remarriage .

          • R. Singh

            The “vedas” were not a holy text, unlike some padris who try to make them so

            They were simply a recording of philosophy and cultural practices

            Mazhab like tendencies of some hindu practices shunned widows and widowhood.

            A widow had to wear wear white, break her bangles, have her head shorn of the hair, was/is not allowed into family gatherings, marriages, religious functions.

            This was/is the common practice of those who follow the Mazhabi stream of Hinduism.

            Communities that followed widow remarriage, (in keeping with ancient enlightened tradition since vedic times), were looked down upon by Padris of the noveau Mazhabi Hindu orthodoxy.

            You do need to stop looking to Abrahamic traditions and methodology, to support the mazhabi dogma that some try to pass off as being Hinduism.

            Warm regards

          • JustSaying

            That is your opinion . They might not be a revelation like in Abrahamic thought but neither are they a mere recording of culture at that time.

          • guest

            a widow had to wear white and break her bangles, because when with her man, she was protected. a woman who was not married became easy prey for men (as happens even today in all societies) –to remain simple provided her her own space. In addition, it was a way to open to a spiritual path. Sure, society became harsh and oppressive (there are many such things that work all over the world–know Monica Lewinsky? she was a 24 year old when she had an affair, and while she wears all kinds of color, she has never had a normal life, first demonised then erased from the media and thrust into obscurity. Interestingly, no feminists came to her help.)—if you cannot understand the deep understanding of Indian life, you should stay away from such forums.

          • R. Singh

            Then why did the ” vedas’ encourage widow remarriage?

            Do true HIndus, not follow the ” vedas”?

            Is that not blasphemy?

            What should the punishment be for those who do not follow the Vedas?

            At the very least – Stoning to death?

          • guest

            Hej R Singh, why hide your identity under a supposed hindu/sikh name? There is no such concept as blasphemy in hinduism. there is no punishment for those who do not follow the vedas. one lifetime is not enough, it all metes out over several life times. Forget it, your pea sized philosophy is not capable of understanding that…

    • Only Truth

      SATI- If a women wants to become a sati, or a men want to become a sata after his wife’s death, taking this decision without any pressure from anyone or under emotional turmoil, than society has no business stopping him. Society can criticize him, mock him, berate him but cannot ban it.

      DEVDASI= After reaching adulthood or legal age, if a girl want to become devdasi or a hooker, society cannot ban it, we can criticize excommunicate berate people who engage in that practice but cannot use state to ban.

      Banning is Abarahamic value, we sanatanis believes in absolute freedom including aghoris, naga sadhus, tantriks, digambars, sati, devdasi etc..

      That in no way means we agree with all those things, we will gives reasons logic argument to people who engage in these practices which will influence them to leave it themselves and whoever doesn’t want to leave can practice them freely, may be we don’t know something which they know, we can never be so sure.

      Human evolution does not stop at human birth but it ends at enlightenment and different people persue that by different means. Who gives us right to curtail human freedom?

      • R. Singh

        No disrespect intended

        Have you known any girl who wishes voluntarily to become

        – A hooker?

        – A dev dasi?

        • Only Truth

          There are at least 10000 sites for sugar daddies,escorts,prostitutes on which millions of girls are registering, the strategy of girls is simple, earn a million dollars between 16-35 age and than live like a king for rest of your life.

          There are studies on it, its simple economics, why i should not sell my body to afford a lifestyle i want.

          Girls are doing this in europe usa where government takes care of your basic necessities, so it is not about roti kapda. It is 100% voluntary.

          If you remove shame which society puts on a prostitute or a pornstar, than what stops her from earning easy money? thats what exactly happening in west.

          see i am not a closeminded jerk or enemy, i want to really understand ur pov and i will change my position if u can give me convincing reasons to change it.

          Sati, Devdasi, Euthanasia, Made snan, Prostituition etc can be abused by society for their personal gain but if they are voluntary i do not have any good argument to ban them. If u have any, i am willing to change my mind.

          • R. Singh

            Are you a volunteer porn star or devdasi?

          • Only Truth

            Are u interested in open minded discussion?

            seems, if i don’t agree with u than i must be a horrible terrible person or if i am defending devdasi than i must be a devdasi, sorry i wasted ur time with my filthy mind, ur highness.

            Bye bye

          • R. Singh

            Show us one girl who became a prostitute voluntarily?

          • guest

            how would you rate porn stars? even if some are forced into it, some go into it for money.

        • Ishan

          Devadasis were highly respected temple dancers. No one was allowed to touch them as doing so was a highly punishable offence. Prostitution of Devadasis was a creation of the British so that British troops had regular access to teenaged girls. Type into google search:

          DEVADASI SYSTEM , THE IMMORAL LIE OF TEMPLE DANCER PROSTITUTES CREATED BY THE WHITE INVADER – CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL…………………and read the first link.
          Let your conscience be your guide.

          • R. Singh

            Conscience applies to everyone.

            The Devdasi system prevailed before the British, as did the Temple paedophilia and abuse.

            So did Sati.

            So did bad treatment of widows in orthodox Hindu culture.

            No point trying to sweep it all under the rug, and hoping it just goes away.

            The important thing is that these evil practices, which are simply cultural practices, given Mazhab sanctity, have been stopped.

            As a society we can move on, and should move on.

            Next step- get rid of Jathi discrimination

          • Ishan

            “The Devadasi system prevailed before the British, as did the Temple paedophilia and abuse.”
            The first part is true but the latter is a huge immoral lie propagated by western indophiles and marxist propagandists. Devadasis were highly respected temple dancers. No one was allowed to touch them. Doing so was a highly punishable offence.

            “No point trying to sweep it all under the rug, and hoping it just goes away.”
            No one is sweeping it away but you do not clearly know the whole facts.
            Yadi aapne ek bar type kar ke link padha hota to aap aisi baat kabhi nahi karte. What can I do?
            Continue believing the lies spread by British indophiles and leftist historians from JNU.

            “As a society we can move on, and should move on.
            Next step- get rid of Jathi discrimination”
            Absolutely

          • guest

            the point is that no matter what proof or argument you get, you have decided, that you are going to hinduism down, even using practices that no longer exist. you are not going to rearrange your knowledge when new facts and concepts are provided. So, simply acknowledge that. And be done.

    • JustSaying

      Sati was not a established “Hindu” practice.

      • R. Singh

        Then why did Mazhabi Hindus put so much store by it.

        Voluntary was it?

        or just a property grab?

        • JustSaying

          You don’t know a lot of things. But you don’t even know that you don’t know a lot of things.

        • guest

          nope in some places it was johar, where women did voluntarily self-immolate to prevent being raped (by muslims)–being raped was considered equal to death. and sati was never widely established happened in small areas, usually with large populations of muslims. if for nothing else, you can see the strength in women and the conviction that no other man, other than their husband was allowed to touch them…..not ordinary women….

  • R. Singh

    Next you will call for the child paedophilia ” Dev dasi ” practice to be enshrined in our constitution, as part and parcel of our Dharam ?

    • Rajalakshmi J

      Wrong. Paedophilia is the exclusive domain of christians. Christians have total monopoly.

      Read the following:-

      http://indiafacts.org/how-the-us-protected-child-abuse-by-a-christian-pastor-in-india/

      • R. Singh

        Dear Rajalakshmi

        The strength of our Dharam has been to recognize our own shortcomings failures and improve as we seek the goal of Enlightenment.

        You are not suggesting that the Dev Dasi system was a Christian practice are you?

        Let us accept our faults, deal with them, and move on.

        Warm regards

        • Rajalakshmi J

          Please do not deflect.

          Address the issue of paedophilia which is pandemic owing to christians.

          We all know how developpppppped christian nations pontificate to us on copyright violations.
          Why Hindus are denied the right to penalize the same christians on copyright violations for stealing everything belonging to Hindus through inculturation ? Why have Jesus Christ in padmasana with kamandalu ?? Why steal Hindus Srimad Bhagavatham coming up with ‘yesu bagavatham’??

          Today america says the victims should sue Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

          Who is to sue uk & america for the havoc wrought by them?

        • prashants5 .

          Stop talking non-sense. You don’t know anything about dharma or dharmik traditions. You can’t even spell it properly. What is “dharam”? It is “dharma”. What you have written here in all of your comments exposes your shallowness about Hinduism and their traditions.

        • guest

          nope she is saying that dev dasi did not have prostitution attached to it, but the brits made it so. end of story. stop twisting things to fit your agenda.

    • prashants5 .

      >> Next you will call the child paedophilia ” Dev dasi ” practice

      Are you a nut or a christian disguise in Hindu name? Your idiotic comment don’t even deserve a response. But still I will write because that might enlighten your under-informed and ill-informed mind.

      “Deva Dasi” is not a Bar Dancer like in your West or Recreational Dancer that you see in Bollywood. Traditionally, the devadasis were a group of people, whose main duty is to serve god for the life time, its they who have developed various forms of arts, like music, dance etc.

      Seems like you have been a victim of Marxists/Christian Propaganda. Just because few polluted this practice somewhere, you call the Practice as Paedophila. That itself shows you don’t know anything about “Deva Dasi” but read what the Propaganda Terrorists write.

      Do you even know all the Classical Dances of India ( which includes in the Natya Shastra called as 5th Veda) originated from various Temples? You talked about Veda in another comment here, but I doubt you know there is something called 5th Veda.

      Deva Dasis concept were in place, to perform for the pleasure of the Lord. Elevate everyone (the viewer and audience) from the material platfrom to a spiritual platform in the form of Dance. And not Prosituting themselves as the Marxists/Christian Propaganda, paint them. And Moron like you read them and believe them like linese from Vedas.

      Until the British came, they were among the higher strata of the society with large amounts of endowment and wealth, and were one of the chief invitees for many of the functions and festivals..

      Today Luckily, many of our arts and tradition had been kept alive because the successive generations of devadasi lineage, eventhough they suffered so much of political and social vendetta..

      Enlighten your ignorance by going through the article written by a well known writer:

      http://www.samarthbharat.com/devadasis.htm

    • JustSaying

      There are more than one narratives about Devdasis.
      Before their fall from grace, devadasi women from as early as 8th Century were known as dancers, musicians, multi-linguists, land-owners, endowers of public infrastructure, impresarios, polymaths and poets. Today, they are dismissed as sex workers.
      http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/Devadasia-Mistaken-Word-in-Myth/2016/03/03/article3307025.ece
      The sex worker narrative was chosen by the Evangelizing christians. Most of the Indians are not aware of the reality of Devdasis or Satis.

      • R. Singh

        A girl child , groomed into sex by some Padri, whether in a church by some evangelist or some padri claiming to follow a Hindu text, is still a girl child.

        I do not know any girl child who volunteers for such activities.

        Are you willing to send your sister or daughter into such a profession?

        • JustSaying

          Really ? Just because somebody does not agree with you , you get personal ? It seems you have not read my comment. You are assuming there was no Devdasi. I am saying Devdasi was not a sex worker but was falsely made out to be. If you don’t understand English why do you insist on conversing in English. Uptill now only FP seemed to be the haunt of lunatics but I guess Indiafacts has fallen prey to lunatics too . Your comments indicate you have severe psychological and mental issues.

          • Ishan

            Devadasis were highly respected temple dancers. No one was allowed to touch them. This whole prostitution of temple dancers started during the British rule only. For more info, type into google:

            DEVADASI SYSTEM , THE IMMORAL LIE OF TEMPLE DANCER PROSTITUTES CREATED BY THE WHITE INVADER – CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL………….and read the first link. Let your conscience be your guide.

        • guest

          Leave it R. Singh, no matter what explanation and understanding people provide you are going hold on to your preconceived notions. you are not here to learn or discuss, you are here to insult and provoke. if stays fun only for a short time, mind you, and then people start to ignore trolls.

  • R. Singh

    This is a cultural practice, man made, and nothing to with the Dharmic values.

    – the goal of Dharam being Enlightenment.

    The practice per the author is only 500 years old.

    Come on, how do you link it to the values that Rishi Krishna espoused.?

    • guest

      500 years is only?? it is a tradition, some are recent, others are old, does not make it adharmic….

      • R. Singh

        How did some padri manage to con villagers to roll around in their left over ‘juta’ food of the padris, and think they will go to heaven by doing so?

        Quite a con.

        and that to you is Dharmic, will bring Enlightenment and Moksha?

        • guest

          just because you throw a few hindi words -it does not mean you can hide your christian and anti-hindu identity.

          we have no concept of heaven, whatever it is it is temporary.

          and moksha is beyond your comprehension.

          the least you can do is acknowledge that you do not understand –but to come to the site only to mock reveals your identity —but then cowards and those with little power of comprehension are like you

  • Rajalakshmi J

    Thanks to Nithin Sridhar for such a detailed article.

    Hindus use the word ‘Ucchishtam’.
    Not “left overs” as anti Hindu christians.

    Many Hindu Sages themselves have done this. This is one way of overcoming our identification with our bodies.(தேஹாபிமான அஃஞானம்) . It is the attitude of Hindu Devotee which no christian or any secular vacuous judge has the right to invade.

    The evil christians invariably denigrate our Rituals first. Soon usurp them.
    Should Hindus cave in like cowards soon our அங்கபிரதட்சணம் (Angapradakshinam ) அபிஷேகம் etc would be their next target. Periodically they do so.

    If idiot judges are really concerned about health of the people they should crack down on genetically modified crops , their seeds , toxic pesticides , trashy soaps & movies ( these have an adverse impact on our mental health) etc.

    It is time we learn from plucky Muslims who refuse to kowtow to christian thugs.

    “Conversions” by christians is not only unethical but downright IDIOTIC. It is time indian judges focus on this malignancy of christians.

  • krishnamoorthy

    missionaries are pumping money to de-hinduize the heterogenous groups across India to prepare the ground for evangelisation for they realise that with the existence of these divergent cultures only evangelism is impossible.

  • Vashishti

    you say “similar discourses have been propagated around practices like Jallikattu, Sallekhana…….,celebration of festivals like Dahi-Handa, Divali etc”. please add the ban on use of elephants in Hindu festivals. now an animal rights federation in Delhi is protesting the consumption of milk as cruelty to cows. see where all is is going? bleed Hinduism with a thousand cuts.

    • Abha Dhand

      The animal rights Foundation should first stop goat slaughter on Eid.