Responding to Mehdi Hasan – How Hindus Should Engage Their Opponents

This article is an attempt to outline and to educate Hindus on effectively engaging hostile enemies in the future.

Mehdi Hasan is an Islamic bigot. He has dehumanized non-Muslims by equating them with animals. He has infamously threatened newspapers with sanctions for portraying Islam in ways he thinks are negative. He is a Muslim reactionary with a history of making homophobic remarks and continues to vehemently deny the right of gays and lesbians to marry in a mosque.

More importantly, he is the viciously Hindu-hating editor of Al Jazeera English.

mehdiHasan recently interviewed a Hindu activist and leader on Al Jazeera. Vamsee Juluri has aptly pointed out that the Hindu leader was framed in that interview which was actually a hostile interrogation. Hasan was complemented by a hostile panel, the sole exception on that panel being IndiaFacts columnist Gautam Sen. The interviewer and the panel abandoned all journalistic ethics and hurled fabricated charges to put the Hindu activist on the defensive. The audience was predominantly Islamist. Although the Hindu activist gave some good responses, overall, it left a lot to be desired.

I am not criticizing the Hindu activist in this article. Most Hindus, barring Subramanian Swamy, Gautam Sen, or Koenraad Elst, would’ve put on a similar performance because Hindus do not know how to engage their enemies who are fiercely determined and well-equipped. Hardly any of the charges that Hasan hurled at the Hindu activist or the dirty tricks he employed is new but the interview also exposed the weakness of the Hindu ideological position of appeasement, for want of a better word.

This article is an attempt to outline and to educate Hindus on effectively engaging hostile enemies in the future.

The fundamental and most important point to remember all times is this: our enemies are not interested in a dialogue. They want to demonize Hindutva, Hinduism, and the Hindus. They want to portray Muslims and Christians as victims. A Hindu participant should either refuse to participate in such hostile programs or be prepared to confront them. I advocate the latter choice.

Lessons

Here are six lessons that a Hindu participant must internalize:

Lesson 1: These encounters are not about answering questions. They are about putting on a pugilist-like showmanship. The enemy comes prepared with a script. But you do not play by it. Instead, you go with your own script and simply enact it on the stage no matter what the question is.

Lesson 2: Never pull punches. You win the encounter only by going on the offensive from the word go. Never mute your response hoping to score brownie points with the enemy. You wouldn’t score any but you will lose both the encounter and your support base.

Lesson 3: You shine the spotlight on the enemy and not on yourself. If the question is framed in such a way as to elicit a response that would make Hinduism or Hindutva look bad, you respond by pointing out how horrible Christianity or Islam are.

Lesson 4: Mockery directed at the enemy is the most effective weaponry in your arsenal. You are not there to win Mr. Ms. Congeniality Prize.

Lesson 5: Unleash a barrage of facts and analogies which would unsettle the interviewer and derail his script.

Lesson 6: When an aggressive interviewer interjects, just ignore him and keep talking. Do not yield ground even if it ends up in total cacophony. He has to yield. It is your show.

I will now take the questions that Hindu activist was confronted with and give my answers. Make no mistake. Some other Hindu would be asked the very same or similarly-framed questions in another hostile forum. If you internalize what follows, you will emerge the winner.

Q & A

 

  • Is Modi’s India flirting with fascism?

 

That was the title of the Al Jazeera program. It is possible that the Hindu activist wasn’t aware of this biased and insinuating title beforehand. However, he got a few seconds of advance notice at the venue. Therefore, regardless of what the opening question was, the reply should’ve been this.

Answer: I am going to give you a lesson most fifth graders in India wouldn’t require. The title of this program tells me that Al Jazeera should hire someone functionally literate as the anchorperson.

Fascism is totalitarianism. A good example is Mussolini’s Italy. In a fascist state, you cannot challenge the government. Modi’s India, where the government is kept in check by the judiciary, media, and the opposition is the very opposite of fascism.

Mehdi Hasan, I know you’re an Islamic bigot. You have equated non-Muslims with animals. You think that as a kafir, Modi is an animal. You’re upset that a kafir you equate with animals is ruling the largest democracy in the world. I understand that your hatred for Modi comes from your regressive Islamic worldview. But when you call his government fascist, you not only advertise your bigotry but also your ignorance.

lincolnHasan, do you know that Abraham Lincoln gave an advice tailor-made for you? He said, “It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.” I do not know if I can make you less of an ignoramus by the end of this program but I am going to try. But I am worried about Al Jazeera’s brand equity. Do Al Jazeera’s executives really think that they can up the ratings by hiring an ignoramus and bigot as their anchorperson?

Note: At this stage, if Hasan protests or retorts, bluntly cut him off and mock him: When you protest like this, you look dumber than you already are. I know you have a script you want to enact. Go ahead and ask your next question. Let us see if you can redeem yourself.

 

  • Explain why some 40 intellectuals have returned their awards citing rising intolerance since Modi became the PM.

 

Answer: They are not just intellectuals Hasan. They call themselves eminent intellectuals. Some of them specialize in navel gazing. They gaze at their own navels. They are eminent navel-gazers. In fact, you would look like Einstein in their company. Let us talk a little bit about these eminences.

These eminences didn’t return their awards when 700,000 minority Hindus were ethnically cleansed by the Muslim majority in Kashmir. These eminences didn’t return their awards when the Christian majority in the North East ethnically cleansed the minority Reang tribal people. These eminences didn’t return their awards when the majority Christians of Nagaland demolished the last Hindu temple in 2003. Mind you – that was the last Hindu temple because the church had demolished every other temple by then.

These eminences didn’t return their awards when more than 3,000 Sikhs were massacred by the Congress in 1984. But why would they? After all, they were the handmaidens of the Congress party and would happily turn a blind eye to the real acts of intolerance when their masters rule.

 

These eminences are like a sleeper cell. Whenever their masters activate them, they will beat their chests and cry hoarse that intolerance is on the rise. Most of them are mediocre writers who won their awards because of political allegiance to the Congress. Now they realize it is payback time. We owe no explanation to political opportunists and unscrupulous henchmen.

Note: No matter what the follow up question is, keep the focus on the fact that these eminences didn’t protest when 700,000 Kashmiri Hindus were ethnically cleansed.

At this juncture, Hasan would initiate his next question. Cut him off right away and say:

I have not finished yet. That was only the foreplay. Get ready for the real act now. Some of the prominent protesters alleging growing intolerance were actually trying to protect vested interests.

Remember, Putin cracked down on NGOs because they were acting as extensions of western powers to destabilize Russia? They were doing the same in India too. The Modi government shut down or is investigating numerous NGOs which are involved in anti-social and anti-national activities. Many of these NGOs are funded by the Ford Foundation, which is under investigation too. Now, who is a prominent protester who is also on the board of trustees of the Ford Foundation? It is N. R. Narayanamurthy. Is it surprising that these characters doth protest too much? It is the oldest trick in the trade to play the victim when you’ve been caught with your pants down.

None of those enacting the award wapasi drama produced an iota of evidence that intolerance is on the rise since Modi took over. If figments of imagination could become facts then Iraq had WMD. At that time too, irresponsible, bigoted, and lazy media persons like you disseminated the canard. What was the consequence? Over a million Iraqi civilians killed in genocide.

You simply do not know the meaning of responsible journalism Hasan. I am going to instruct you to do something (say this in an authoritative voice by wagging your forefinger). Call every award wapasi actor and ask him to produce statistical evidence that intolerance is on the rise since Modi took over. Create a bar chart and put it up on display. Then report back to me.

 

  • Over 100 minority religious groups are protesting the attack on religious minorities?

 

Answer: Two years ago, the Christian church ran a well-orchestrated campaign of fraud to convert the gullible. They claimed that a Jesus statue in Mumbai shed tears. They collected those tears and distributed it to the poor, including children and pregnant women, as holy tears.

Everything seemed to go well for the church until the rationalist Sanal Edamaruku crashed the party. He demonstrated that sewage water from the nearby gutter had risen by capillary force and was dripping through a hole in the eye of the statue. There were no holy tears. The church had been feeding pregnant woman sewage water.

Now, if someone did that in the West, there would be a class action lawsuit. So, if these 100 religious organizations really care for the welfare of minorities, they would’ve protested against the church that risked the lives of pregnant women and fetuses. But when they kept silent then and raise the bogey of attack now, one naturally suspects that they are paid mercenaries.

Let me tell you what happened to Edamaruku. The church threatened him and forced him to flee India. He is hiding in Finland today. He was the one who really cared for the welfare of the poor among the minorities and fearlessly took on the church. Did these 100 organizations you talk of come to his support? No. Mercenaries don’t stand up for public good. We don’t give a rat’s ass to mercenaries.

 

  • Data indicates that crimes against minorities have risen under Modi…

 

If we talk objectively, we should talk about the actual number of incidents of communal violence and per capita crime rate because that is the true indicator of whether crimes are rising or declining. Here is objective data on per capita crime rate for the period before and after Modi became PM in 2014 from the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) and Indian Parliament.

In 2013, when Manmohan Singh was the alleged PM of India and Sonia Gandhi of Congress his puppeteer, there were 823 incidents of violence. In 2014, after Modi became PM, this significantly decreased to 561 incidents. In other words, incidents of communal violence decreased by 32% since Modi became PM.

In 2013, the number of injured in rioting was 2,269. In 2014, after Modi became PM, this number dropped to 1,688. In other words, the number of injured in riots reduced by 26% after Modi became PM.

In 2013, 133 people were killed in communal riots. In 2014, after Modi became PM, this number decreased to 90. In other words, the number of dead in riots reduced by 32% after Modi became PM.

Mind you that sleeper cells and their handlers are working overtime to initiate violence so they can blame Modi for it later. In spite of that, under Modi’s efficient rule, communal violence has significantly dropped in a single year. We will not stop until there is zero crime, communal-related or otherwise.

Hasan, a lower value on the numerator means crime has gone down. Even a second grader in an Indian primary school knows this. I knew you weren’t smarter than a second grader but I never thought you were this dumb. You should go back to primary school and re-learn basic arithmetic. Please avoid a madrasa this time and attend a proper school.

Note 1: Mehdi would be flustered and try to interject. Cut him off and add: I was giving you the benefit of doubt when I said you have issues with basic arithmetic. If you were lying through the teeth, that is unacceptable. Does Al Jazeera prefer a liar to a functional illiterate?

Note 2: It is important to carry relevant statistic as a ready-reckoner to the program.

Note 3: Very rarely, you may be caught unawares by a statistic a hostile interviewer flashes at you. Do not trust his word and get defensive. Ask him for the primary source, e.g., NCRB – not some Islamist’s or leftist’s interpretation. Hand your smart phone to him. Tell him to go on the NCRB site and show where his data comes from. The interviewer would become desperate to get out of the tight spot. Show no mercy.

 

  • The killing of three persons for eating beef shows rising intolerance…why didn’t Modi condemn the killings?

 

Answer: Do you want examples of real intolerance? The Islamic terrorist organization ISIS is enslaving and raping the Yazidi as we speak. But Al Jazeera is not complaining of rising intolerance in Muslim countries. Have you heard of a Rinkle Kumari in Pakistan? She was merely an 18 year old Hindu who was kidnapped, forcibly married to a Muslim, and repeatedly raped.

The entire system of umma, mullahs, judiciary, and politicians supported her subjugation. Did Al Jazeera talk about her and thousands of Pakistani Hindu women like her? A Tamil woman was held hostage and brutalized for months in Saudi Arabia. Where were you all when those terrible crimes happened?

Take the Muslim state of Bangladesh. Today, more than 90% of the Bangla people are Muslims. But in 1941, 28% of the population was Hindu. This decreased year after year due to genocides, forced conversions, ethnic cleansing, and rape.

By 1974, the Hindu population in Bangladesh had dwindled to 13.4%. In 2001, it further dropped to 9.2%. In 2011, it had dropped to 8.5%. You need to look at the analysis to understand what a terrible genocide is going on as we speak.

In 2001, there were 16.83 million Hindus in Bangladesh. Had their population growth followed the normal trajectory, their numbers should’ve increased to 18.2 million in 2011. However, it decreased to 12.3 million. The proportion of Christians and Buddhists did not see any decline. Six million Hindus have gone missing due to ethnic cleansing, genocide, forced conversions, and rape. Where is the media outrage at the demise of six million Hindus in the last decade alone? And you expect the PM of India to condemn the death of three people? Where is a sense of proportion? Where is empathy? Where are journalistic ethics, Mr. Hasan?

The story is the same in every Muslim country. Let me tell you an incident that happened in Pakistan in 2010. A Dalit Hindu boy drank water from a tap near a mosque. All hell broke loose. Muslim mobs violently attacked the Hindus. All the 60 Hindu families were forcibly evicted. They took refuge in a cattle pen. Their men were attacked and injured. Where was the media outrage then? Did you demand that Pakistan’s PM apologize for such attacks or the rape of Rinkle Kumari and thousands of Hindu women like her who are unfortunate to live amidst Muslims?

Does suffering count only if it is useful to denigrate the Hindus? What about media coverage sans hypocrisy?

India under Modi will not tolerate anyone taking law into their own hands. But India owes no explanation to hypocrites like you who never uttered a word when minorities suffered at the hands of Muslim majority and only selectively use isolated incidents to denigrate India. You want to talk about rising intolerance? Let us talk about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. After all, Al Jazeera is an Arab-funded channel.

 

  • Giriraj Kishore said Muslims are a growing threat…Subramanian Swamy said that a mosque can be demolished…does the BJP condemn them?

 

Answer: India under the BJP is a free country. The BJP need not condemn anyone to please you. Mr. Swamy can speak for himself. Why don’t you invite him on Al Jazeera for an interview? Let me say this, he would make it quite lively though and make you squirm!

You want the BJP to condemn someone for merely making a statement. Whom would you condemn for the ethnic cleansing of 700,000 minority Hindus in Kashmir? Would you condemn the entire Kashmiri Muslim population as aggressors? Would you condemn the teachings of Islam that made them turn on their own Hindu neighbors? Would you condemn the Wahhabi network for fomenting this kind of hatred?

isisNote 1: Never defend or explain away another individual’s statement unless you are thoroughly familiar with it.

Note 2: Be prepared for a rhetorical response in the affirmative. Hasan may say that he would condemn all Muslims of Kashmir for the ethnic-cleansing of Hindus just to unsettle you. Muslim apologists are well trained in taqiyya. Immediately retort: What good is a mere verbal condemnation? Would it restore the lives of raped Hindu women? Would that undo two decades of suffering of Kashmiri Hindus? This kind of taqiyya is worse than hypocrisy. If you are sincere, first explain why the media didn’t even report Hindu suffering for decades. Atone for it. Report it now. Inquire whether Islam is the root cause of intolerance. I will believe you then.

Note 3: He will go to the next question. Interrupt him and take him back to the previous question: You were offended by Giriraj Kishore’s remark that Muslims are a growing threat. I think he was making an understatement. Looking at the plight of Kashmiri, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi Hindus, who are all minorities amidst Muslims, he should have said that Muslims are a fully grown threat. Where is a collective expression of outrage from the Muslims in defense of these suffering Hindus?

Note 4: Anticipate Hasan’s next reaction. He would rhetorically ask, “If Muslims are a full grown threat, should we exterminate them all?” Promptly retort: You an Islamist Hasan. So, you presume that the victims of Islam would also behave like their Muslim aggressors and commit genocide. Sorry to disappoint you.

Hindus have a long history of giving refuge to everyone – Jews, Christians, Muslims, Parsis, and Buddhists. We have no intention of turning away from that tradition and behaving like a true Muslim. Kashmiri, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi Muslims wouldn’t have committed those horrific crimes but for Islam. Biologically, Muslims are the same as their Hindu neighbors. Ancestors of today’s Muslims were Hindus. Unfortunately, they are infected by Islam. You cure it and bring them back to their ancestral religion through ghar wapasi and genocides and strife would be over.

 

Continued in the next part

Kalavai Venkat is a Silicon Valley-based writer, an atheist, a practicing orthodox Hindu, and author of the book “What Every Hindu should know about Christianity.”
  • Minupuri Amarender Reddy

    Excellent

  • Romi

    Absolutely first class article. .. All Hindus need to read this one.

  • Indian

    Vow Sirjee U made my day. What a Great Response.

  • VERY GOOD ARTICLE! But regarding the last paragraph, “Hindus have a long history of giving refuge to everyone – Jews, Christians, Muslims, Parsis, and Buddhists. We have no intention of turning away from that tradition and behaving like a true Muslim.” Be very careful and be sure to remind people of apad dharma in Bhagavad Gītā – sometimes, you have to do unavoidable Hiṃsa (varjana), one of the five yamas, and one of the two yamas which you may not be able to avoid (harm and lying) under certain circumstances (for which you would need to take prāyaścitta afterwards).

    • Plato

      An is it to perform that prayashchitta taha the Hindus need to invite the murderers & rapists back into their home to once again kill them & rape them?

  • Anil Kumar Tandale

    Too good. We should be assertive aggressively and shamelessly and arrogantly. All Hindu minded patriots who happen to be invited for such interviews should be forearmed with authentic data to tear the garments of the biased anchors only at awkward places and to compel them to be in king’s new clothes.

  • wneap

    Contrast the tone of the 2 interviews:

    The one with Ram Madhav was a constant barrage of ridicule and accusations at him as if he was some Nazi camp operator.

    Another one by the same interviewer was where ex-ISI chief Asad Durrani among his many stunning statements had coolly explained away the murder of 100+ school kids in a Pak school by the Taliban as ‘collateral damage’.

    Mehdi Hasan ensures that the ex-ISI chief, whom he keeps referring to as ‘Sir’, doesn’t feel even an itch even after his chilling justifications of terrorist acts.

    He is perfectly complemented by a panel of 3, including a token foreign journalist who ends up saying little and 2 familiar ladies. In intellectual circles you would frequently find these ladies acting as champions of freedom & human-rights but, here you find them almost aiding the agent of murder & chaos in his outrageous explanations.

    The picture is completed by a surrealistically silent audience, more like mannequins, hardly responding to the glaring lack of shame, guilt & humanity in the words of the man in the chair.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__lyS-wI7c

  • Cybil Peril

    Needless to harp on defence of Hindus because this clan is most unorganised and better be it so. A religion once gets organised, it loses its very essence of spirituality which is what it should be. These two later Abrahamic violent faiths have evolved by violent practices to garner political foot soldiers instead of promoting peace for harmony. Hinduism is exceptional in this regard which doesn’t believe in proselytisation till date. Rest all religions promote conversions. Worst part of Abrahamics is that they promote hate against other faiths and want to flourish by hate, violence and negative anti propagandas. Both of them have destabilised this planet to d point of WW III. Yet they7 don’t realise their stupidity.

  • sapna

    Ram madhav did an excellent job on that interview. He handled the hostile anchor with equanimity. In fact this flustered the anchor and he got more aggressive as the interview progressed. Ram madhav stayed the same.
    Unless one was already biased, no one who watched the interview will think badly of Ram madhav. He pointed out many times that the data being read out by the anchor was factually incorrect.
    He also made it very clear that the award wapasi was a small bunch of motivated people
    for the church attacks he clearly mentioned that it was not religious at all. he called out how conveniently the attacks seem to cease after an election

    your answers seem great in the quiet of your home. but those answers and word choice on the stage in front of a hostile audience would have made Ram madhav look like an arrogant and biased person.

  • AChakra

    I like the basics that thisarticle tried to tell. The counter arguments could be even more sharper, but yes, the principles which Venkat suggested were the perfect. I would like to add here one more point – if one knows that an anchor has an hidden agenda, then the interviwee / panelist must use every opportunity to destroy the brand value of the anchor. Once a panelist/ interviewee attends a discussion with the sole agenda of destroying the reputaion of anchor, all the basic points above can come up in mind in natural course.

    The bottomline – more than the topic, research on the track records of the anchor and carry the evidences of his malpractices. Let the anchor spend the interview speaking on his own malpractices.

  • Samrat Bharat

    Another dumb NRI self styled “writer”. LMAO “Kalavai Venkat is .. an atheist, a practicing orthodox Hindu”. What exactly do you “practice” then? Ye dude nahin, dud hai.

    Ram Madhav seems to already have advisers just like this one, making up data or using it inconsistently, which gets easily taken apart in front of an intelligent audience. And I am saying this in an authoritative voice by wagging my forefinger :P.

    You accuse Mehdi Hasan of homophobia, but what you link to is actually his apology where he also says “As a supporter of secularism, I am willing to accept same-sex weddings in a state-sanctioned register office, on grounds of equity”. What is your own stand on gay rights Venkat? Will you call for temples to carry out gay weddings?

    What do you think “per capita” means and where have you used this “per capita” data? Law & Order is Center or State subject? Why does UPA get no credit for at least part of 2014 since NDA did not even form government until June? Why is data from 2011, 2012 and 2015 not being shown here?

    What is the meaning of “ethnically cleansed” and where did you get the number of 700,000 from about Kashmiri Hindus? And why are you asking Mehdi Hasan who is not even an Indian, questions about an Indian territory? You accept international intervention now? And what is the point of asking him? We voted into power BJP that in their election manifesto promised to restore Kashmiri Pandits’ rights, BJP is also a partner in the J&K government. But nothing to ask them?

  • कृ

    Hina Rabani Khar had a much better interview; so did Danny Dayan. RSS lacks fluency in English; and given native educational standards, likely in their own mother tongues.

  • कृ

    So the Dirac Medal winner and a US National Academy of Sciences members are Navel Gazers (to be fair, these were part of a petition, not the award returnees) ? Do you realize the stupidity embedded in this response ?

  • Sadanand Bhat

    Hindu politicians have to do some home work before going on an interview and do some study of the journalist who is conducting the interview and their agenda etc called purvapaksha, when you go to job interview you would check out the interviewer and the company wouldn’t you? Atleast it wasn’t that guy called Sambit Patra who comes in Indian TV, would have been worse. Hindu supporters and the leaders should be more media savy and have better communication skills. see only two others besides Modi namely Mr Rajeev Malhotra , Smriti Irani . A good way to develop is practice and watch how others handle the snakes like hasans.

  • Jitendra Desai

    Good lesson for BJP/RSS/Parivar to counter anti Hindus.BJP should hire you in their PR department!

  • somayajulu csjr

    It is the perfect way to encounter Hassan like bigots.

  • Samrat Bharat

    So you think your usual half truths will work when they did not work for Ram Madhav? 🙂
    Answer me these: How many violent incidents in 2015 after Modi govt has been in power for over a full year? At least half of credit for 2014 should go to UPA no? Why is Sanal Edamaruku refusing to return to India now?

  • Balakrishnan Hariharan

    BRAVO !! That apart, the writings of Ram Swarup, Sita Ram Goel, David Frawley, Koenraad Elst, Arun Shourie et al have been vindicated – The BJP/RSS is ‘bankrupt intellectually’. That is what the Ram Madhav interview tells us. Period.

  • Samrat Bharat

    I hope Modi government gives protection to rationalists like Sanal and they can live safely in India now. See this awesome video by Sanal Edamaruku and other Guru Busters exposing dhongi babas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Sv6C7I0_E.

    • Rajat Datta

      Well i am sure Modi would give protection to rationalists like Sanal but i hope you had asked for protection for Taslima Nasreen too from the U.P.A and the West Bengal government. https://youtu.be/0PqfFyhW__4 Taslima is attacked by MIM MLAs.

      • Samrat Bharat

        Where is Taslima Nasrin mentioned at all in this article? Don’t keep changing topics 🙂

        What is happening to her was completely wrong. Hope we correct it at least now. Most recently, she had to leave Delhi under threat in June 2015 (http://goo.gl/mMgouX). Shameful our country’s government could not ensure her protection even in the country’s capital. Both she and Sanal (and any other secular activists) should be invited back and given Category Z+ security.

        • Rajat Datta

          Ha ha at least you are forced to say that! I bet you did not like it one bit.

          • Samrat Bharat

            You missed that the date was June 2015 😀 :D. I hope the government finds the guts to grant her permanent asylum and Indian citizenship.

    • bharatpremi

      yes. we should. How come these busters did show anything about paul dinakaran, benny hinn on these prime time shows. This is an equal opportunity to expose, they do only for hindu swamis. why????

      • Samrat Bharat

        🙂 For the same reason Kalavai Venkat only mentions the Christ statue scam, and not other work Sanal did as a rationalist. Or that Sanal’s most recent response to returning to India was this: Edamaruku fears for his safety, pointing to the fate of his friend, anti-black-magic campaigner Narendra Dabholkar.
        (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26815298)

  • Bunty

    I too indicated the same to Ram Madhav to give a longer answer to his long question ranting. i.e. show him the mirror. Give examples from History. How shivaji respected the beautiful Muslim lady captured in the simha gadh war. How Prithviraj pardoned Ghori. THis is the culture of Hindus. A rare incident of Dadri is not an example for Hindu tolerance. Even the court will comout on facts as to what happened on dADRI. whether it was a personal enimity. Hindus never encourage killing. Even mahabharatha war was conducted during day time as dharma youdha. Actually the word Dharma and Atma have no equivalent in other languages. mneka Gandhi gave a good answer for the 3 unconnected incidents in three non BJP states is made into a Gobbelatian propaganda by the paid Media. Intolerance is not there in Hindu psyche. Period.

    • कृ

      That’s called ‘what-aboutery’, not argument. I’m surprised he didn’t go in armed with statistics, or mention the fact that everyone went quiet after the Bihar election.

      • Samrat Bharat

        कृ …Your statement is not factually correct. Bihar Election ended 8 Nov 2015.
        Devanooru Mahadeva returned his Padma Shri and Sahitya Akademi award on 15 Nov http://goo.gl/W3N5nN
        Jayanta Mahapatra returned his Padma Shri on Nov 23. http://goo.gl/eOqfdU

        How many beef related killings or violence happened after the Bihar elections by the way?

        • कृ

          So ? They barely received a mention. That just proves my point. The movement had already decelerated. What came of it ? Did ‘intolerance’ vanish overnight simply because Nitish had won ? That was just the status-quo.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Ah, yes. Beef related killings stopped right after the Bihar elections. So probably nothing to report and protest. And we probably ran out of people with awards as well, who cared about an Air Force corporal’s family getting lynched.

            The whole set up was around reminding Yadavs they need to stay Krishna’s cowherds vs reminding meat eaters that even their diets are now in danger. Elections are always fun in India.

          • Jitu

            “Beef related killings ”

            How many killings happened if I may ask??

          • Samrat Bharat

            Yes, you may definitely ask.

          • Jitu

            😀

            The question is… do you have an answer??

          • Samrat Bharat

            Ah ! I thought you meant “may I ask Google”. Couldn’t you?

            How many are enough? Especially when even the families of our armed forces personnel are not safe from these murderous nut cases: http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/saare-jahan-se-accha-hindustan-hamara-mohammad-akhlaqs-son-appeals-for-peace-1226232

            Overall looks like 3 deaths: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kashmir-third-beef-related-death-sparks-fresh-tension-india-1524664

          • Jitu

            Ah! So you pick a NDTV news about Akhlaq to show to me… when it’s been proven, that the killing was a personal vendetta and nothing to do with beef?? Tch! tch! Tch!

            Well, at least that explains your biases.

            Three deaths over beef. Hmmmm. Well, I don’t trust the source( Any MSM news for that matter), but at least the second link justifies why you used the plural ‘killings’ instead of a singular killing.

            Regarding your question about the family of armed forces personnel… So if a family member of someone in armed force steals from you or rapes someone in your family… would you let them off just because they are from armed force??

            Imo Armed forces deserve our respect for what they do for the country. But that does not mean that their family members or even they themselves, should be allowed to get away with crimes.

            I accept that lynching is not the best way to handle it, but I remember reading that multiple cases of cattle theft in the region had been reported to police in the previous year, with no acton from their( Police) side. So the public took the matters into their hands in frustration.

            If my cow is my only source of livelihood and someone steals it and kill it… and I know that the police will look the other side due to vote-bank politics… I don’t think I’ll asses the situation to see if the criminal is a father of someone from armed force or a politician. After killing my cow, whether they eat it or not would not matter.

            Now… Whether I can get away with dealing with my frustration by lynching is quite another matter. People in Dimapur did get away with lynching, didn’t they?? Over a rumor none the less. No one got arrested. No one was jailed. In fact… the news barely made ripples.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Ah ! http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/fl/What-Is-a-Confirmation-Bias.htm. So you only read what already agrees with you.

            When you say “proved” you mean a court judged the Dadri case and passed a verdict on it? Or blogs you “trust” decided this for you?

          • Jitu

            My bad.

            I should not have used the term “proved”.

            If Court ruling is what decides, and ideally it should, then none of the ‘alleged cases’ qualify ‘yet’ as ‘beef-killings’ as the jury( and the court) is still out on those.

            It was the media and the secular brigade who had ‘judged’ and ‘decided’ to label these as beef related killings.

            You cannot have one rule for the goose and another for the gander.

            So let us all wait for the court verdict before we start passing off cases of our choice as beef killings just to suit out narrative.

            Also, Am amused to notice, that you chose not to respond to my direct question, and instead deflected it with a link on psychology.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Um.. murder is what the court can judge. Eating beef is not a crime (beef being meat of ANY bovine species including buffalo and yak).

            So what were all the self proclaimed yogi and sadhvi nut cases doing visiting Dadri if it had nothing to do with beef, repeating their gaumata nonsense? And when you say “If my cow is my only source of livelihood and someone steals it and kill it…” what is the cow being killed for then?

            The link to confirmation bias (psychology.about.com) was so you realize that your blanket boycott of the so called “MSM” was contributing to your bias.

          • Jitu

            You are mixing assumptions and heretics, and justifying what’s threadbare.

            1. Eating beef is not a crime. Killing a ‘Cow’ is… as per constitution. Check wiki. You anyway love citing wiki as a source at the drop of a hat. ( Observation)

            2. What was the cow killed for??

            You are assuming that all killings are for food and acting as if I spoke something incredulous.
            Sometime ago an RSS worker’s dog was killed in Kerala on the said karyakarta’s death anniversary, his body slit open and hung from an electric poll with his entrails hanging out. That with a message… that they ( the killers… CPM goons) would kill all other RSS workers. Am assuming the CMP did not have plans to eat the dog entrails. Although… given that they are communists, I could be wrong.

            So… not every killed animal automatically translates to food.

            3. Yes. I know what a confirmation bias is. But you don’t know me. Nor do you know after what kind of heuristics or how much deliberation I came to reject the claims of MSM. Your assumptions( about others) reflect your bias, not mine.
            Confirmation bias requires one to cherry pick to suit one’s pre-existing bias. Which is what I have noticed you do. So the irony is on you.

            4. You still missed answering my direct question. ( Another example of avoiding/deflecting/cherry-picking )

          • Samrat Bharat

            So your point is you want to call these cow related and not beef related killings?

            What exactly was your question?

          • Jitu

            It’s not what I ‘want’ to call it. It is what it should be called. What the fact is. What our intellectuals, liberals and journalists obfuscated with all their beef killing articles, op-eds and tweets.

            And killing a cow is a criminal offense as per constitution. Eating beef or pork is not.

            And about my question… Well, I was under the impression that you could read. Thanks for removing my misconception about you.

          • Samrat Bharat

            I am interested in what you want to call it. Tell me what you think the “fact” is 🙂

            Nope. Can’t read. What was your question?

          • Jitu

            Ah! So it’s… What I ‘think’ the fact is… is it?? 🙂 🙂

            Let us wait for the court judgement then. Shall we?? 🙂

          • Samrat Bharat

            Don’t get all dodgy on me now. 🙂 What is your opinion? You prefer I call those cow related killings ? And that changes what in our argument?

            What was the life changing question you were so interested in getting answered until 5 min ago?

          • Jitu

            Everything.

            When the argument was contrary to what you like, you questioned me if the court has given a verdict yet. At the same time, you insist on labeling the killings as beef killing. If the court has not given a verdict yet… how did you decide that any or all of those are beef related killings??

            We are both relying on our chosen media and distrust the opposite version. I don’t trust MSM as time and again it has been proven that they lie. You may have your reasons( or not) to trust them. I would not know.

            The point is… The whole discussion made it quite clear of your stand… My opinion is opinion and yours is a fact because you say so.

            As for my question. Read the thread. You may( or may not) find it. I have no intention of spoon-feeding. 🙂 🙂

            I had interjected in this one month old discussion as I read the word ‘killings’. I was surprised as I had only heard of Dadri Lynching. Not the others. Your second news link cleared my misconception and I came to know that there were other cases which the msm tried to blow out of proportion. Whether or not these killings are beef related, I leave the courts to decide.

            I had missed the news when it had made headlines. So to that end… thanks.

            Have a nice day.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Sure. I am offering to call these “cow related killings” if you have a beef with the other term 🙂 I had only questioned your use of “it is proved”. Me stopping you from having an opinion would violate your freedom of speech no? 🙂

            I did you a favor by giving you information you could have easily Googled and found, and cleared up your misconception. So 2 points:
            [1] it makes me suspect you broad brush contrary opinions as coming from “MSM” and hence your opinions are not based on the full range of facts.

            [2] We asked each other a lot of Qs. I think I answered all Qs. You seem to differ. So return the favor and point me to what you think I didn’t.

            Since you seem to have researched my earlier posts, you will also recall I have said many times earlier that nothing in life is black & white. So while I am not contesting media is biased, shutting out some parts of it blindsides you to alternative possibility.

            Which is why I still read these right wing rags like IndiaFacts, because I don’t want to end up with a closed, dull mind.

          • Jitu

            I agree with you in principle.

            1. I read msm news, their tweets, their op-eds as it’s important to know opposing views. I just don’t take their words as a proof of anything besides their version of lies.

            2. Yes I could have googled as you pointed out, not once but twice. 🙂 And I blame it solely on my stubbornness. And I have already thanked you for the link and news. I had not realized it was my misconception till I read your link. A lot of intelligent sounding people come to these rw websites and make unverifiable claims. In my shortsightedness, I had assumed your use of the term ‘killings’ fell into that category. I should actually offer you my apology for my unverified assumption. My apology.

            3. Yes nothing is in black and white. So no. I don’t accept even what is written in the posts in these rw sites which I frequent without some crosscheck or thought. Which is why, I read comments. Many a times, I have found, well read readers challenge and prove the respectable rw authors wrong. The readers lead me to more write-ups, links, pages, books, you name it… which help me understand things better when I am on a shaky ground. My opinions are not written in stone. So far… I seem to be leaning towards right. 🙂 And by and large, writers at these RW writers write more verifiable and hence believable things than msm.

            4. My question was… Should someone be exempted or exonerated from a crime just because they or their family members belong to armed forces?? My direct question to you was… if some such person stole from you, or worse, raped one of your family members… would you exonerate them simply because they were the father or brother, or family of an army man??

            You have used this sentimental logic that ‘even the family of a armed force personnel are not safe in our country’ more than once in your arguments. And I was questioning that.

            In my opinion, a person should not be excused for a crime because of who he is. No matter who the person is. A crime is a crime.
            So a woman misusing 498 a and claiming victimhood because she is a woman, a goon from minority community committing crime and claiming victimhood because of his minority status, Kanhaiyya Kumar seeking to garner sympathy because his parents are poor, Mohhammed Afroz getting away with a heinous because he was 3months short of adulthood and the media obliterating his name because he is from a minority community, or an expectation that Muhammad Akhlaq’s crime should be viewed leniently because his son was in armed forces… are all wrong.

            Can there be exceptions to rule?? May be. But the rule should be same for all.

            5. One really cannot stop someone from having an opinion. One can only stop them(or not) from expressing it.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Thanks for 2 !

            3. Alternative opinions are abusively bullied out of RW sites. Also LW does not read these sites. So you are unlikely to get enough diverse opinions to be meaningful. Try something like the http://www.thenewsminute.com/, http://www.jantakareporter.com/ etc. Debate them. There is a extreme fringe on the left also, who have impractically dangerous ideas which could do with some balancing. So expect to be insulted and bullied there as well 🙂

            4. OK, I admit I was dramaticizing :). I had also wrongly assumed you to be the typical RW who will use our soldiers’ deaths as pawns at some point in the debate. My actual opinion: The Rule of Law should apply to everyone equally, and mobs should never get to decide what is “justice”.

            So your question is inherently flawed. What crime are you accusing Corporal Md Sartaj’s family of, that justifies a death sentence?

            Filing wrong cases is illegal as well. Anyone doing that deserves to be tried and punished if guilty, irrespective of gender, religion or position.

            Can you show me Kanhaiya’s own statement where he brings up his poverty? And are you saying the poor get the same access to justice in this country that the rich have access to?

            There is no credible source that names the juvenile as Afroz: http://mohammadafrozdelhi.blogspot.in/.
            There have been other attempts to give this a communal color. If you can read Hindi:
            http://blogs.navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/socialmedia/image-of-nirbhayas-adult-rapist-posted-as-juvenile-convict-by-modibhakt/
            He was tried as a juvenile as that was the law (even now is so) when he committed the crime. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law#India. It cannot be changed due to one case.

            5 of the other rapists belonged to a religion, going by their names. Is that supposed to mean something? You cannot have one rule for the goose and another for the gander like you rightly said earlier.

          • Jitu

            3. No. I cannot take abuses. I don’t abuse others and I don’t entertain them. Sarcasm and wit are much better tools to deal with an opponent than abuses. Many of the lw sites are den for trolls who do nothing but abuse. I used to follow NewsLaundry but stopped for this reason.

            4. Nothing justifies lynching. Does not matter who the son is or what their religion is.

            But a mob is never rational. Not in India. Not anywhere in the world. That is the reason it is called a mob.

            So why is Dadri mob any worse than other mobs across India or world? Why was this one case highlighted when others go unnoticed?

            *Discrepancy??

            A careful observation of the stories being propped up by msm would show the Dadri case was not about justice. Nor is Kanhaiyya Kumar’s or Rohith Vemula’s. Or Nirbhaya Juvenile. They are all about TRP and obfuscation.

            Take Muhammed Akhlaq’s case. He may not have deserved to be lynched for stealing… even if he did steal. But does anyone ever deserve to be lynched??
            A man was dragged out of jail and lynched in Dimapur.
            An auto driver was tied to an electric pole and beaten with chappals and broomstick in Telangana/AP.
            All of these are shameful acts by an unruly mob.

            Why then was this one case of Dadri highlighted and played day in and day out by the media?? Are we as lay people, as normal citizens of the country, qualified to judge whether the the mob was right or the alleged criminal just after watching TV?? Does watching TV or reading two articles really make an expert on the subject?? On the law? On rules? On anything?? Most of us would not know the exact truth or the sequence of events leading to the lynching. Most of us would not know what the legal loopholes or legal recourses are.

            So what was the point of making these a national issue… besides provoking people into becoming an internet lynch mob??

            The whole thing was deliberately forced to spiral out of control.

            Did he really steal?
            If yes then was a case filed??
            Why didn’t the police do anything?
            Why did the mob have to take things into their hand?
            The son of the cow owner was shot( as per a few reports). I don’t know if he is alive or dead. How is it that if he was shot, and no one batted an eyelash??
            *Discrepancy?
            What did the police do about that??
            Have such cases happened before?
            What was the court ruling / police action then?
            Allegedly, the meat found in their fridge was goat meat. So where did the beef angle come into the picture??
            How did media get to spin everything out of control even before police investigation was over?

            There are too many unanswered questions that poke holes into the msm story.

            @ The juvenile case…
            No. I am not saying what happened was not as per law. If the law is faulty and needs to be looked into and revised, that would anyway not affect a past case. I am ok with law taking it’s own course. I may be sad with the outcome… but I’ve resigned that this is the law of the land. If every juvenile criminal in the country is getting away easy, I don’t see why this one should not just because I don’t like it.

            What I am saying is… how media was and is trying to make a martyr of him. Painting him as a saint-in-waiting. Does a rapist doing paintings in the jail change the fact that he was one of the criminals accused and tried for one of the most horrendous crimes in recent history??

            Even his name was not mentioned by media. They use an alias. As you have pointed out… his name may not be Mohammed Afroz.

            Compare that with the juvenile who posed a fake threat in Bangalore last year. His name was splashed everywhere.
            If the rule is juvenile criminal’s name should not be published…. why was there a double standard?
            RWingers say that that is because this kid was a Hindu. Even if the claim appears prepostrous to a normal person… when I observe the pattern in which media reports…. I feel the accusations of rw may have weight.

            If the logic is, the Delhi Rapists invoke extreme hatred in public so their lives may be in danger if public identifies them… then why were the names and faces of other five other rapists made public??

            *Discrepancy?

            Do poor in our country get the same justice as the rich?
            The answer is unfortunately ‘No’.

            But when on one side, veteran and high profile lawyers like Soli Sorabjee are fighting for Kanhaiyya Kumar and on the other side msm milks the story of his parent’s poverty to garner sympathy for him and portray him as innocent victim of circumstances… the drama seems a tad bit overdone.

            If poverty of the criminal is what makes him a deserving candidate for leniency or public sympathy… then all five rapists were poor. Probably poorer than Kanhaiyya Kumar. Should we start to sympathize with them and demand their release??

            Clearly poverty is not the criteria. TRP is. 🙁

            Such is my mistrust of MSM, that tomorrow if a story breaks out… ‘There is a fire in the east’… I’ll instinctively look west to see if they are hiding something.

            Does that mean I blindly believe alternative media?? Not really.

            Btw… that Navbharat times news is misleading too.

            My own ‘liberal’ and ‘secular’ friends shared Vinay Sharma’s image on social media as Md. Afroz’s and I had lambasted them. One for sharing fake images and two for adding fuel to a sentimentally charged atmosphere around the Juvenile’s release.

            Why I am narrating this anecdotal incident is to say… it was not only “Hindutv ke thekedaar” who were foolish enough to share that pic. Idiots are there is every ideology. Many are amongst ‘Secularism ke Thekedaars’ too. You can go to social media and look for that image and see who all have shared? Quite a number would turn out to be bots who are employed to promote such fake links. and the rest would be divided between various political ideologies.

            So imo… the NavbhartTimes news is as childish and immature as that person who shared the image of Vinay Kumar.

            The only things consistent though each and every story are…
            1. Truth is more than what meets the eye.
            2. Mainstream Media is constantly lying.

          • Samrat Bharat

            All mobs are bad. And almost all politicians are opportunistic vultures who are happy to use mobs when it suits them.

            Dadri was also fueled by BJP small time idiots shoving themselves front stage. Yogis, sadhvis, Sangeet Som, Baliyan in the Dadri case kept adding fuel to fire. And TV channels enjoyed the TRPs. BJP managed to mostly shut them up in the JNU case. But some new characters in lawyer’s robes seem to have political ambitions. If not for them, the court would have heard the case, passed verdict at its pace – leading to TV channels moving on to the next news of the week.

            EVERYBODY is either lying, or publishing on part of the truth that suits them. But again, going by the gut feel we use to sort through the facts – MSM well known anchors have more to lose if they are caught lying. Whereas new or unconventional sources, especially bloggers who hide behind pseudonyms are more likely to take risks and color the truth. But again, nothing can be as black & white as this. So I guess we never can be sure !

            Personally, I believe the Kanhaiya case is a complete misunderstanding. He had nothing to do with the pro Afzal, anti India slogans like he has repeatedly said. But, this one is really sub judice and we should hopefully get it cleared up the courts soon.

          • Jitu

            If it weren’t too secular to say it, I’d have said… ‘Aameen’ to that. lol

            Agree with everything in the comment.

          • Samrat Bharat

            🙂 Being an atheist, Aameen would be too religious for me 😛 So let’s both leave it unsaid.

            Forgot to ask – which Indian MSM tried to show the juvenile rape convict as an artist? I could only find a fluff (US) Washington Post piece.

            Similar Q on the Bangalore juvenile. Who published his name?

          • Jitu

            Answer 1. I think I had seen a First post story. Followed by a others. QZ dot com, Scroll dot in… to mention a few.
            Answer 2. Barkha in her tweets and The Hindu in screenshots and tweets. Am speaking from memory here. There were others who tweeted his name and referred to him as a’Hindu boy’.

    • Cybil Peril

      Ram Madhav isn’t that well read man. This is the biggest defect in RSS where they remain apathetic to anti Hindu propagandas. Vatican has biggest library on earth and they regularly discover deceit against Hinduism that in turn is (mis)used by their Church as anti Hindu propagandas for conversion and demoralising Hindus.

      • Romi

        As usual you have hit the nail on the head, Cybil Peril. So true, so true. We need libraries more than anything. I heard Amit Shah has opened a BJP-funded library in Delhi recently for this purpose.

        • Cybil Peril

          Romi I admire your spirit. I have added my blog ID in one comment to you where you can peruse few of my ideas. Even Hinduism practiced as on today, needs some reforms befitting with the changing times, with these overriding invading violent ideologies descended from Cannanian desert cult. These were and still are violent nomadic tribes with no cultural identity, while India had been a vibrant civilised society from millennia but our history is suppressed partly, while partly distorted and ill interpreted to further demoralise us. This practice is being continued now from US Universities as academics/academia to make it look like “Education”, just like “Religion” means peace but violence, hate, crimes of all grades n types are being preached n practiced to suit the respective political masters – West (Christian) and Islam (Middle East).

        • Cybil Peril

          Today, America aka US has taken over the perilous role of colonising European races. Now after WW II, US has emerged as global Monarch with her 25,000 Nukes to scare the entire world. This is where d fight is going on between US and Russia for global Kingship. Its all matters of loot, exploit and scaring techniques so that the looted remain silent and don’t cry. US is d most complex nation today. But d evil never last and virtue always win. This is d message through Srimad Bhagwat Geeta, victory of virtue over the3 mighty evil of Kauravas.

    • Shivaji not shivaji

  • NatKing

    Nicely written. Now, what does it take to get this published in a mainstream newspaper like the TOI or the Hindu?

  • PRex

    Shri Venkat – Thanks for the article. Your proposed responses are timely but the problem is that the Hindu right in India wallows in wilful ignorance about their adversaries. For reasons unknown, the right prefer not to study and analyze the strategies and tactics of the jihadist Muslims and evangelical Christians. This attitude has been displayed time and time again and commented upon by various writers including Koenraad Elst. Is it any wonder then that Shri Madhav failed miserably in the Al Jazeera interview?

  • Lalitaditya Muktapida

    Al Jazeera will never call intelligent Hindu activists into any of their shows. Hindus need their own media networks

    • Bunty

      Lke the FOX channel you mean.

      • Lalitaditya Muktapida

        And CNN as well. CNN always brings in nut jobs to explain the conservative position. While Fox always call in bald, wierd looking lefties with wire hair sprouting out of their ears and nose to explain the liberal position.

        Hell, every news channel does it. Agendas everywhere. No such thing as an objective media. Never was, is not, never will be. Caveat Emptor

  • Savarkar’s Disciple

    Courtesy: ╭∩╮(*︿* )╭∩╮

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mXwDbXmav4

  • Kaushal Rai

    Best ever article read till now…its शानदार जबरदस्त जिंदाबाद।eagerly waiting for the second part of questions

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  • Sledgehammer

    Wow, just brilliant.

  • NK Sarma

    haha good way to handle these bigots. Thats why they don’t invite people who can give them back like this. Swamy cannot be held back by showing him a party membership. But not everyone can be Swamy. This hindu nationalist in this interview is known for his soft talking and secularism. I have spoken to him when he was a regional pracharak, no change till now. This islamic media will drool at the propect of having people like him, may be next time they can try Advaniji.

  • UNaiR

    Nearly 200 people have signed this Please Sign & forward . Type Tarek Fatah
    in Youtube and listen to his views. http://www.indianvoice.org/padma-award-for-tarek-fatah-petition.html

  • UNaiR

    Kavalaigaru, I have instantly become your fan. Brilliant.

  • कृ

    Oh man, the interview was a slaughter. You can’t blame Mehdi, the chap was complete idiot. Should’ve put Gautham Sen in the chair instead (or should’ve spoken in Hindi).

  • कृ

    An answer which will label you a bigot, from the get go, is perhaps not the best of ploys. You may think using word “Bigot” gets you Brownie points, but let’s be honest: it does not.

    • UNaiR

      No amount of reasonable answer will you earn you the adulation of the Secular, Churchian and Islamist brigade as long as you are defending anything that is even distantly connected to the word Hindu.

      • कृ

        What a silly thing to say. Ram Madhav was not reasonable. He was apologetic. Big difference.
        For instance, when asked about Beef, he should’ve talked about the small-scale cattle holding, and similarities with pets vis a vis dogs.

        He did not protest when Gujarat riot was called a ‘massacre’, by citing the death counts.

        There are more things I can write about were it not for cynicism and perhaps lack of time.

    • Ashish

      It seems you haven’t read Lesson 1: ‘These encounters are not about answering questions…..’

      • कृ

        Oh come now. The chap had no ground to stand on. RSS has not had much of a history with reason. Explains their anachronistic uniforms.

  • Ashish

    Brilliant! this kind of response would have made Hasan shit in his pants right in front of the camera.

  • Kp Sudhakar

    Wonderful! This articulation is missing from every spokie of BJP. Hope it reaches every BJP worker to counter ‘ill informed sheener journos & critics of patriots’. JaiHo!

  • Rajat Datta

    Great article sir. This islamist anchor just needs someone like you to be shown his proper place.

    • Samrat Bharat

      Awww ! My little puppy has his first crush ❤ ❤. You really think Mehdi Hassan read this article?

      • Jitendra Desai

        But then who listens to this Hassan? In India that is.

        • Samrat Bharat

          Agree. So why did Ram Madhav want to make a fool of himself on the show? Why did this article writer want to exhibit his 20/20 hindsight?

      • Rajat Datta

        Sorry you are trying to be funny but ending up making a complete fool of yourself. I must appreciate your dog like devotion to your master though.

        • Samrat Bharat

          Wrong. I find it quite funny 😀 😀 That’s enough for me.

          • Rajat Datta

            Yes of course dimwits find it quite funny.

          • sid3091

            OMG LOL XD ROFL 😀 😀 😛 😀 !!!! Yeah those emoji go a long way in proving your point…

    • Samrat Bharat

      My little cute intellectual 🙂 You did not even bother to click on any
      of the links your crush has added in the article didn’t you?

      On Mehdi Hasan’s supposed homophobia, here is what Hasan actually says: “I
      want to issue my own apology. Because I’ve made some pretty
      inappropriate comments in the past, too… As a supporter of secularism,
      I am willing to accept same-sex weddings
      in a state-sanctioned register office, on grounds of equity. As a
      believer in Islam, however, I insist that no mosque be forced to hold
      one against its wishes.”

      On the communal incidents, the link
      goes to Times of India of all things (we agree ToI is paid media no?) to
      a year old article. The author mentions “per capita crime rate”. What
      does per capita mean (hint: click this https://goo.gl/3xy0hs)? Can you
      show me where the per capita rates are in this article?

      The data actually is from the Ministry of Home affairs. NDA govt was itself
      formed in last week of May 2014, so how is it responsible for all of
      2014? And see here why the author is skipping the years 2011 and 2015:
      https://goo.gl/rO7nFl.

      • Rajat Datta

        Well that is quite amazing is it not? Make inappropriate comments and apologize. We should all do it. That is the way a shrewd man should behave, You should get trained by him.
        U.P leads in the number of communal violence incidents. We have a secular government installed there and is not law and order a state subject? The attempts to project that India has suddenly become intolerant after Modi came to power and the minorities are under threat are not supported by statistics as shown here http://www.newslaundry.com/2015/10/14/think-india-has-become-more-communal-under-modi-the-numbers-will-disappoint-you/# Communal flare ups have continued in the post-independence India for decades but what is happening now is that there are concerted efforts on to somehow pin the blame of each and every incident on Modi. There has been no significant increase in communal violence, only the din created around such incidents have increased. Dadri is repeated ad nauseum but the killing of an anti cow slaughter activist is brushed under the carpet. Hypocrisy again. My intellectual fraud, you do not have a crush but you are seriously in love with hypocrisy.

        • Samrat Bharat

          So now you have stopped believing in प्रायश्चित्त (atonement)? 😀

          Where do you stand on Sec 377 and allowing gay marriages in temples by the way? No point debating if we both are on the same side. I support : repeal 377, encourage (not force) all religious places to carry out gay weddings.

          My point was the data is being misquoted. So what were the numbers for 2011, 2012 and 2015 🙂 ? And if law & order is a state subject, why is the central government being given credit for 2014 :)? So then who is to blame for the train that was burnt in Godhra in 2002 in which 59 people died? All very confusing no?

          Samajwadi Party is in no way secular. It uses religion opportunistically just like any other political party. I agree this barbarity has gone on from very long, and we cannot
          pin it on Modi (and I never said we should). But saying things have got better under him is also
          not supported by this data at least.

          I voted NDA in 2014 by the way. RaGa and Krazywal are horrible prospects for the country. Just so you don’t keep arguing under wrong assumptions.

          • Rajat Datta

            Atonement? Really? He believes what he said earlier. The apology is just a hogwash. The law and order is not if but certainly a state subject. I objected to the concerted efforts going on to project that India under Modi has suddenly become a communally sensitive country where the majority community has declared war on the minorities and Modi is encouraging Fascism. The questions such as Is Modi Flirting with Fascism and the award wapsi drama are part of that efforts to paint the Prime Minister as a threat to the minorities. Journalists(Mehdi Hasan is one of them) are the foot soldiers of such an effort.
            I really don’t care who you voted for in 2014 by the way.

          • Samrat Bharat

            So after the apology has he said anything homophobic? Or again, with no evidence you decide what to believe in?

            I made no such statement about Modi. Like I always says, life is so black & white in only simple less intelligent minds. You hope to fight concerted efforts with half truths that can so easily be discredited?

            So my dodgy little non hypocrite puppy 🙂 Back to the unanswered questions :).
            Do you support repealing Sec
            377 and encouraging temples to conduct gay weddings? Or do you only
            criticize others for being homophobic? If law & order is a state subject, who is then responsible for the train burning at Godhra which resulted in only major riot in India of the 21st century where 1000+ Indians died?

            Of course you care how I voted my sweetoo. It was just sad to see you keep barking up the wrong tree, my puppy. <3

          • Rajat Datta

            The judicial process regarding the 2002 riots was exhaustive. Mr Modi himself was under investigation by the Supreme Court appointed SIT and we all know what came of it. No other Chief Minister has ever come under such intense scrutiny as Mr Modi though there have been numerous riots in independent India. 1969, Gujarat, 660 killed, Turkman gate demolition, 150 killed by police, 1979, West Bengal, Official toll- 2 killed, unofficial- 50-100, 1980, Moradabad, 400 killed officially but unofficial estimate is as high as 2500, Mandai masscre, Tripura, 500 Bengali Hindus killed, Nellie Massacre, Assam 1983, 2191 Muslims killed, 1984 anti Sikh riots kills 2800 Sikhs over India. Hashimpura Massacre, 1987, 42 Muslims gunned down, Bhagalpur riots, 1000 killed, ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits and their eviction from their ancestral lands, Gawakadal massacre, Amarnath pilgrims massacre, Bombay riots, Sopore massacre, Nadimarg massacre in 2003 and doda massacre in 2006. The list is endless. These were not communal incidents? If you remember 2002 then you must also remember that after 2002, Gujarat which saw communal flareups on slightest provocation did not witness another riot under Modi. The onus of proof is on the elements intent on proving that the communal harmony under Modi is under danger. Facts do not support it. Accusing without giving concrete evidence is nothing but Gobblesian propoganda and the likes of Ram Madhav are not not competent enough to call their bluff.
            I support repealing sec.377, scrapping article 370 and implementing Uniform Civil Code. Well the characters who are intellectually deficit and double up as frauds do have a high opinion of themselves.
            You can humour yourself with the thought that you are so important that anyone can seriously care about what you do. Of course you do make people laugh.
            Ever tried your hand at comedy?

          • Samrat Bharat

            Oops. Yes, remove 370 and bring in Uniform Civil Code. Glad you support the right of consenting adults to have sex in whatever way they please (= remove Sec 377). So you support gay weddings in temples also?

          • Samrat Bharat

            (reposting comment since the links made it get spam flagged)

            Yes, it is an unfortunate long list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots_in_India

            In every one of them, I hold the state governments in power at that time responsible (at least morally) for allowing the incidents to happen.
            Why exactly does Gujarat 2002 need to get an exemption my cute non hypocrite non intellectual?

            If everything was peaceful post 2002, in the Communal Incidents data this article is trying to partly pawn off, why does Gujarat still figure in the top 8 states (https://goo.gl/rO7nFl) then? Even in 2014, Gujarat has more incidents that Bihar (and many other states).

  • Harsh

    Excellent !

  • Top_Cat

    slow clap….what an article sirji !!

  • Pagan_revival

    Well written Venkat. The fact that qatari royals fund both Aljazeera & ISIS is good enough to know what to expect. I understand that Ram Madhav has compulsions to be politically correct and you cant be politically correct with people who are intoxicated in a sense of superiority. This chap was caught on camera calling non muslims as kuffar ( I still dont know what this term actually means ) and animals. I was looking up the Aljazeera website and their are tons of articles calling for secular Assads head. Inspite of all this, several Indian media are giving this charlatan a platform to shed tears.

    Here is a word cloud of text from tweets of Mehdi in the last 24 hours and the so called abuse doesnt stand out.
    https://twitter.com/IndiaTrends247/status/682408557501784064/photo/1

    Here is another word cloud of names of ppl who are tweeting about Mehdi or Nishita. From the names it doesnt look like they are being barraged by the so called bhakts. The majority of names look muslim. No “muslim” sounding name has opposed Mehdi while there are several “hindu” sounding names that support Mehdi.
    https://twitter.com/IndiaTrends247/status/682414093345636352/photo/1

    I am sure there would have been some abuse but the data from the last 24 hours doesnt highlight this. So claiming victimhood is from Mehdi’s playbook.