Romila Thapar: Eminent Historian’s continuing fraud

The 27 October edition of Hindu  published a report titled ‘Academics must question more’ in which ‘eminent’ historian Romila Thapar questioned why Delhi’s intelligentsia were not opposing the changes about to be made in the education system. Specifically she is worried about recent remarks made by Dr. Subramanian Swamy about burning history books penned by eminent historians like her.

Although it is inappropriate in a democracy for leaders to demand burning of books, and so far the government has not conceded to this dreadful demand, it is strange that such fear is coming from Ms.Thapar whose ilk was famous for silencing any dissenting and truthful voice against their ideological spin on history.

One must credit experts like Arun Shourie whose book “Eminent Historians: Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud” has done a beautiful job of exposing the art of disfiguring Indian history as done by leftist ideologues like Thapar. A sample of this meticulous expose can be seen in this extract:

Next to the Pushyamitra fable, the most popular “evidence” for Hindu persecutions of Buddhism is a passage in Kalhana’s history of Kashmir, the Rajatarangini (Taranga 7: 1089 ff.), where king Harsha is accused of looting and desecrating temples. This example is given by JNU emeritus professor of ancient history, Romila Thapar, in Romila Thapar et al.: Communalism in the Writing of Indian History, p.15-16, and now again in her letter to Mr. Manish Tayal (UK), 7-2-1999. The latter letter was written in reply to Mr. Tayal’s query on Arun Shourie’s revelations on the financial malversations and scholarly manipulations of a group of historians, mainly from JNU and AMU…Note, at any rate, Romila Thapar’s total reliance on arguments of authority and status. No less than seven times does she denounce Shourie’s alleged (and unproven) incompetence: Shourie has “not the faintest idea”, is “unaware”, “untrained”, and “does not know”, and what he does is “laughable”, “a joke”, “garbage”. But what exactly is wrong in his writing, we are not allowed to know. If history is now a professional discipline, one couldn’t deduce it from this letter of hers, for its line of argument is part snobbish and part feudal (appeal to formal authority), but quite bereft of the scientific approach.

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Her standing and influence as a historian was largely based on repeating the discredited theory of Aryans invading India. As previously proved by NS Rajaram Ms.Thapar hardly  knows any Sanskrit, let alone Vedic Sanskrit, and her entire research on  India is built on 19th century translations  of Vedas and the Puranas, done mostly by colonial era scholars who gave these a racial interpretation. As expected this theory of the Aryan invasion collapsed under rigourous scientific scrutiny.

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This meticulous report  more than anything explains the falsification of AIT. The relevant portion is given below:

…It was the publication in 2011 of a path-breaking study that ultimately sealed the fate of the Aryan Invasion or Migration theory…The authors, by analysing genomes of 571 individuals representing 73 ethno-linguistic groups, also ruled out Eurasian gene flow during this time period, concurring with the finding of another study that such an event could not have happened before 12,500 years. Moreover, argued the scientists, 3500 years ago India was a already a densely populated region with well-established agricultural practices and therefore the Eurasian migration would have had to be immense in order to explain the fact that half the Indian population is derived from ANI. The Aryan Migration event of 1500 BCE has also been questioned based on an authoritative haplogroup U linkage study wherein scientists found an extensive and deep late-Pleistocene link between Indians and Europeans, suggesting a coalescence near the time when Asia was initially being peopled……..

It has also been shown that the gateway to the subcontinent, the Hindu Kush – where the earliest archaeological evidence of human remains dates back to 26,500 years before the Rig Veda – was a confluence of gene-flows in the early Neolithic period as opposed to an indigenous population…..The verdict of population genetics is clear, and profound, as pointed out subsequently by the lead author of the Nature study Dr Lalji Singh himself: “There is no genetic evidence that Indo-Aryans invaded or migrated to India. It is high time we re-write India’s prehistory based on scientific evidence.”

 Prof Thapar, though, is dismissive of the overwhelming scientific evidence that negates the Aryan Migration event. Time waits for no one, least of all junked theories. Scientists, having pointed out that the Müllerian Aryan Invasion – or the Romilian Aryan Migration – never happened, have returned to their garages.

That was strike one.

Another highlight of Ms.Thapar’s career as a historian was her attempt to prove the non-existence of a temple in the disputed site of Ayodhya. During the 1998-2004 reign of the BJP government, in 2003, the Archeological Survey of India (ASI) employed a large number of Muslims in its excavation of remains in Ayodhya to obstruct the predictable allegation of acting as a Hindu nationalist front. The findings confirmed those of the excavations in the 1950s, 1970s and 1992: a very large Hindu religious building stood at the site before the Babri Masjid and in 2010 the Allahabad High Court accepted these findings by India’s apex archaeological body.

That was strike two for Ms.Thapar.
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The Hindu report also mentions:

Tracing the lineage of the modern public intellectual to Shamanic philosophers of ancient India, Prof. Thapar said the non-Brahminical thinkers of ancient India were branded as Nastikas or non-believers. “I am reminded of the present day where if you don’t accept what Hindutva teaches, you’re all branded together as Marxists,” she added.

There it is, like most of the leftist historians, Ms. Thapar promotes the idea that somehow she and her fellow distortionists are similar to the dissenting savants of the ancient time.

First and foremost, the word Nastika, is often translated into English as atheism, while it has no such meaning in Indian Philosophy. Jainism denies a formal  God, but does not deny godhead; every liberated soul is divine. In Mahayana Buddhism, Bodhisatva is worshipped as God. Even the pro-vedic Sankhya and Mimamsa schools do not believe in God and should by Western sorting be atheistic, but in India they are treated as Astika or in Thapar’s terms Brahmanical. This is because in Indian Philosophy the term Nastika is used for one who does not accept the authority of the Vedas.

Secondly almost all the ancient Indian philosophers like Buddha, Kapila and Charvaka operated in the Vedic framework but did not consider learning the Vedas as a prerequisite to realize the enlightened truth. Ms. Thapar should know that a celebrated verse of the Veda holds thus: Yatra vedaa aveda, meaning when the Vedic seeker of Truth finally realizes the Truth, the Veda (in the sense of the book/mantras) itself must be discarded. In that sense the Nastika savants were more in proximity with the Brahminical thinkers, in contrast to Ms. Thapar’s claims.

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In fact Vidyaranya, the notable 14th century Vedic philosopher, in his magnum opus Sarvadarshansamgraha, (which discussed all the religious schools of thought within the Hindu structure) dedicated the first chapter to the philosophy of Charvaka and indeed made a very strong argument in favor of materialism.

Last but not the least if you had read the Upanishads Ms.Thapar you would have realized that the so-called Brahmanical sages like Nachiketa, Sulabha and Janaka advanced their viewpoints by questioning and debating unlike your Marxist kind which believes in imposition of untruth and inhibition of truth.

And that was strike three. But do not worry; you are not yet out Ms. Thapar. People of your stature are needed in the public sphere to show how ideology and political connections can take precedence over the correct interpretation of history. What else can explain your inclusion as one of the members of the high profile Delhi Urban Heritage Foundation or DHUF? Isn’t it due to the courtesy of Najeeb Jung, the eminent Lt. Governor of Delhi, who heads this high profile foundation?

najeeb jung

As far as I’ve read the DHUF has decided to undertake the renovation and landscaping of the following two sites:

1.     Lado Sarai Tomb

2.     The former Viceregal Lodge at Delhi University.

I am no academician but I will exercise my democratic right (yes Ms Sagarika they are still intact) to ask this relatable question:  Why is the DHUF not interested in the restoration and landscaping of scores of Hindu temples, Jain basadis and a number of Gurudwaras in Delhi which are said to be of historical importance?

And in conclusion do not worry Ms. Thapar. Hopefully the history books penned by you and your kind will not be set on fire. After all we need to learn from the mistakes of our past and what can be a better example than the ideological invectives your lot presented as history?

 

 

  • Rajpal Siwach

    Distorters of the past are to be punished in the present

  • mksharma62

    But all these idiots who support the cock and bull stories in the epics and puranas should know that if they accept those the number of years is not just 10,000 or 15, 000 years old [for the so-called Aryan civilization beginnings] but some lakhs of years old. Rama is said to have belonged to Treta yuga which preceded the dwapara yugha of bharatas (kauravas, Pandavas and Krishna) and what is the age-years of one Yuga? Dasaratha is said to have reigned or ruled for some 11000 years and Rama for some thousands of years! And at last both Lakshmana and Rama drowned in Sarayu (committed suicide)!

  • mksharma62

    In Vedas Indra kills Krishna – at that time Indra was the supreme god or one of the supreme gods. Later when it comes to Bhagavatha or Bharatha Krishna overcomes Indra – lifts Govardhanagiri and defies Indra. Indra becomes a mock god. All bullshit.

  • mksharma62

    But all these idiots who support the cock and bull stories in the epics and puranas should know that if they accept those the number of years is not just 10,000 or 15, 000 years old [for the so-called Aryan civilization beginnings] but some lakhs of years old. Rama is said to have belonged to Treta yuga which preceded the dwapara yugha of bharatas (kauravas, Pandavas and Krishna) and what is the age-years of one Yuga? Dasaratha is said to have reigned or ruled for some 11000 years and Rama for some thousands of years! And at last both Lakshmana and Rama drowned in Sarayu (committed suicide)!

  • Arijit Chatterjee

    Firstly, Aryan invasion theory is obsolete. But there exist no doubt that there has been long history of cultural exchange between iran and india. There exist strange similarities of avesta and rigveda. Also cultural and linguistic discontinution of harappa and vedic age is also prominent. Thereby its very possible that there has been invasion from middle east, like that of sultani invasion. We should keep in mind that muslim invasion was not large migration but political religious and cultural invasion. So preaching that vedic culture was indeginous is unscientific.
    Secondly, atheist philosophies of india worked on vedic structure? Its simply nonsense. You have not studied basics of charvaka/sankhya/buddhism.
    Thirdly there has been a prolonged history of hostility b/w buddhism and brahminism. You can visit museums of Rajagriha. There you can see Tara(a mahajan goddess) is standing on shiva and kali.
    Atlast about Babri. You can have highcourt report on rebuking asi for giving misleading results.
    So whenever you try to criticize academicians you show proper reasons. Because propagating religious propaganda is related to politics, not history.

    • mksharma62

      Why obsolete? All over history, it is almost a rule that developed civilizations have been ruined by the invading hordes of nomadic tribes or backward tribes. Roman civilization was ruined by the Germanic tribes very much. It is quite probable that developed river valley civilizations in India before the Aryans have been ruined by these nomadic or pastoral tribes in search of hunting or grazing grounds for their development. More developed Hindu rulers and semi-urban civilizations have been ruined by nomadic tribal Muslim converts from Afghanistan and equally wild Turks. Also when these undeveloped tribes gain power and glory, they themselves begin to shun their nasty cultures and adopt and adapt to the more civilized environs which they have ruined. That happened with the Moguls too. They grew more polished and mild and civilized with the impact of the Hindu culture and civilization which they have ruined. The very fact that Iranians have an Ahura Mazda something like a Maha Asura in contrast to the Devas of Aryans in India tells many things – they should have belonged to the same stock but of rival tribal gods. Also in Amarakosam remarkably it is said “Asuraa: aadidevaa:” So Aryan invasion theory is not a myth but has more solid grounds to believe.

      • Arijit Chatterjee

        I want to say that Aryan Invasion should not be thought of as invasion of lakhs of people. Like islamist rulers came with thousands of people and their cultural, political reign left immense changes to indian history. So Aryan Invasion should be seen as political and cultural response from other parts of the world which created solely different civilization from that of harappa.

      • You have to give your valuable 5 days to read ancient Indian history to come to know that Indus Valley Civilization collapsed due to ecological and to some extent discontinuation of tin supply from sumeria. Aryan Invasion theory is a hoax.

  • Denny crane

    “er standing and influence as a historian was largely based on repeating the discredited theory of Aryans invading India. As previously proved by NS Rajaram” Why do Hindus keep regurgitating nonsense as if repeating it will make it the truth? AMT is not disproved at all

  • Maximus Decimus

    this bitch romila thapar is a western boot licking slave ,we all know how nehru khan gadha and his khangress deliberately appointed marxists to white wash the history of Bharat and Vedic identity ,but these stooges can never understand that Dharma is in the DNA of Bharatiyans ,no fucking muslim mughal,turk, british,khangress can shake our Dharma

  • Rahul P

    We indians cannot do anythign beyond barking. We don`t have economic clout, we don`t have ideology, we don`t have unity. We are a race that has been indoctrined with slave mentality and that`s about to be run over in a century or two.

  • Yogesh Sharma

    Exfcellent. She is supe rfraod anti-Hindu fascist. She always support Islamic fanaticism.

  • Gurdip

    History happens to be the matter of questions and concerns. It requires objective research based on documentary evidence to build a new thesis and for the method has been laid down and accepted all over the world. It is without doubt true that perspectives can be built and demolished based on the new facts. Research is a rigourous discipline and any one who has got the stuff into his nerves can make a venture. It will be interesting if any one works to bring new facts into light but until then we should continue to follow what has been laid down by the old timers. I am interested in history which is not based on mere heresy and anecdotes. There is a group of people who have built it around the common people and their life.

  • a marxist historian guided by a muslim irfan habib

  • Sujay Rao Mandavilli

    Please find my complete and comprehensive solution to the so called ‘Aryan’ problem This consists of ten research papers published in Academic journals. This is directly targeted against Hindutva and all other forms of misrepresentation of history

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sujay_Rao_Mandavilli/contributions

    Sujay Rao Mandavilli

  • Kumar

    Romila Thapar can’t even read Indian Texts in its original. How come she claim to understand it. With having a proper & comprehensive knowledge of Sanskrit Grammar any attempt to understand them is farce & fraud. The you rely on translations which are convenient to your ideology.

    Madam Thapar it’s still not late you can master Laghusiddhant Kamudi in 2 years. That’s basic to understand sanskrit literature. & then there is Madhysiddhant, then Brihatsiddhant & then Shekahr & lastly Ashtadhayai of Panani. Sanskrit words hare so tricky that without a proper knowledge of Sanskrit grammer you are bound to fumble & thats what has happened with the Romila Thapar & her ilks.

    Being a student of Sanskrit grammar I understand how dangerous it is to attempt to interpret the Scriptures.

    There is still time. it’s never late to stand corrected.

    • Benjamin Netanyahu

      I’ve read some chapters of LaghuSiddhant Kaumudi. Not easy to understand. Siddhant Kaumudi is yet more comprehensive. Then after compeleting these books, one is supposed to read Mahabasya. Vedic Sanskrit is quite difficult for Foreigners to understand. I don’t know how Harvard and other American universities have non-Indian Sanskrit scholars!!

    • Rajesh

      Agreed.. it is dangerous to interpret the scriptures just by learning sanskrit.. it requires to understand the many interpretations, teekas and tippanis to understand what exactly the text mean. I really do not understand why we fall for these western scholars when we have wealth of scholars in our very own country…you do not need PhDs and degrees.. you need a proper Guru who can give proper knowledge..

  • kishore

    INSIGHT TRULY REVEALING.DEMOLISHES MARXIAN IMPOSITION OF HISTORY SUSTAINED BY ANTIINDIAN HISTORIANS,WHO R BIASED SCHOLARS.

  • Sahadev Kunapuli

    Human beings had a shared common history in terms of language. Migrations based on natural causes / disasters need not be portrayed as invasions or destructive migrations. Modern DNA analysis which was not available earlier is a new dimension in studying migratory patterns of human beings.
    See : http://dienekes.blogspot.in/2010/12/solution-to-problem-of-indo-aryan.html

    The clay tablets of Mitanni kingdom recovered in Bogazkale , Turkey reveal horse training manual of Kikkuli with sanskrit words and invocation of Aryan gods – Indra, Mitra, Varuna , Aswinis in treaties between Mitanni & Hittite kingdoms

    See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_superstrate_in_Mitanni

    Many words from old persian language are today part of many Indian languages : Gao- cow, vacah- vaak( word, speech), vaesha- visha- poison, staota- stotra, vaaaa ( vaana – rain in Telugu)
    All we can say at some point of time in the past human beings with common language, culture ,migrated both eastwards and westwards over a period of time and not necessarily as invaders . No conquerors, no vanquished, all human beings in search of livelihood

  • NSRajaram

    Thapar lacks the competence to read the Veda let alone grasp its meaning. She could at least study the Upanishads which are more accessible. The fact she hasn’t bothered shows she is not serious about her job. She rightly believed her political influence would cover her lack of qualification. She was close to the Nehru family (relative by marriage) and a fellow Marxist. This is how secularist history was created.

    • Virat

      Still she is regarded as an eminent historian by our media . Someone has to call her bluff. BJP is good for nothing

  • त्रिदीव मुखर्जी

    Another idiotic article by a RSS fanatic. Idiots are quoting NS Rajaram- a Mathematician who tries to behave like a historian, supporting the demolition of Babri Masjid, and claiming the decipherment of Indus valley script. This idiot once tried to prove that horse was known to the Harappans by misinterpreting a Harappan seal. Good. Let idiots quote idiots and let idiots alone believe them. Engineers, journalists, mathematicians, ritoters- nowadays everyone seems to be a historian. And these creatures label the real historians as Marxists and want them to sell ‘Papdi Chaat’ instead of teaching and writing History. Writing history books will, from now onwards, be carried on by the mentally retarded, prejudiced and self-claimed scholars like Poulasta Chakraborty. Great! Great! Great!

    • NSRajaram

      I am Rajaram. what has presence or not of the horse got to do with our my reading (with Jha) of the Indus language and script. People fell for the Witzel-Farmer attack on me and Jha only because they have a white skin. This is another secularist trait– worship of the white skin. Do you think anyone would have taken Wendy Doniger seriously had she not been of white European extraction?

      • Denny crane

        Sorry, sir but in truth your decipherment was far from conclusive

    • Globalaryan

      Your faulty reasoning and logic matches the description of the sickular historian mindset that Dr. Koenraad Elst best describes when he said re: Romila Thapars criticism of Arun Shourie “But what exactly is wrong in his writing, we are not allowed to know. If history is now a professional discipline, one couldn’t deduce it from this letter of hers, for its line of argument is part snobbish and part medieval (relying on formal authority), but quite bereft of the scientific approach. Reliance on authority and especially on academic titles is quite common in academic circles, yet it is hardly proof of a scholarly mentality.”

      You are simply throwing dirt without any credible reasoning. Can you dispute that Romila Thapa knows Sanskrit or knew Sanskrit when she wrote her “scholarly” works?? your questioning of Rajaram’s assessment has no basis.

      The likes of you don’t have any problem in quoting Amartaya Sen who is an economist also and has written and continues to write on Indian History. And FYI, the IDIOT Romila Thapar believes in Aryan Invasion/migration theory (and later on changed Aryan migration theory), a theory that has been debunked by scientific, archaeological, linguistic and genetics evidence. You can read the scientific work highlighted in “Indiana Jones and the Troublesome Aryans” that disputes and debunks any Aryan invasion/migration theory.

      Your comments are proof of your bigotry and double standards commonly used by sickulars who are quick to brand anyone who doesn’t agree with their biased views as RSS fanatics without realising that in reality it is YOU, who is a fanatic!

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  • Dalip Bhati

    Why don’t we ignore Ms Thapar and stop giving her importance avoid her please visit http://www.bharatgaurav.co.in/2014/10/untaught-history1.html

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  • munusamy ganapathy

    The surety on aryan migration theory being false propogated by hindutwawallahs using a genetic study is funny as the same genetic study under the same team as yielded results of presence of two distinct genetic groups named ANI and ASI respectively instead of aryans and dravidians and comes to the conclusion of intermixing happening between the two 4200 years back and tapering of intermixing 1900 years back

    http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2013_AJHG_Priya_India_Date.pdf

    There exist gothras of rishis for a specific group of people across the country from kashmir to refugees to lahore to kanyakumari unlike sudras/tribals across the country who have very specific family trees peculiar to their region and language.Presence of bharadwaja or kashya gothra in both kashmir and kanyakumari indicates migration or lies by a group which had no connection between themselves.There are studies which trace the names of rishi gothras to cowsheds in afghanistan and most if not all brahmin scholars/leaders/hindu religious heads in preindependence india where proud of aryan invasion theory and they being aryans

    When same gothra marriages are shunned in hindu upper castes it implies a common origin and presence of same gothra across 1000s of KM indicates migration to any logical reader but hindutwawallahs

  • munusamy ganapathy

    The surety on aryan migration theory being false propogated by hindutwawallahs using a genetic study is funny as the same genetic study under the same team as yielded results of presence of two distinct genetic groups named ANI and ASI respectively instead of aryans and dravidians and comes to the conclusion of intermixing happening between the two 4200 years back and tapering of intermixing 1900 years back

    http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2013_AJHG_Priya_India_Date.pdf

    There exist gothras of rishis for a specific group of people across the country from kashmir to refugees to lahore to kanyakumari unlike sudras/tribals across the country who have very specific family trees peculiar to their region and language.Presence of bharadwaja or kashya gothra in both kashmir and kanyakumari indicates migration or lies by a group which had no connection between themselves.There are studies which trace the names of rishi gothras to cowsheds in afghanistan and most if not all brahmin scholars/leaders/hindu religious heads in preindependence india where proud of aryan invasion theory and they being aryans

    When same gothra marriages are shunned in hindu upper castes it implies a common origin and presence of same gothra across 1000s of KM indicates migration to any logical reader but hindutwawallahs

    • Alakshyendra

      Idiot, do you have any conclusive studies to support your thesis or just idle conjectures and guess work?

      • Before calling him an idiot – please educate yourself about the fact that many astronomical observations present in Rg Veda were not ever possible in the Indian subcontinental region. These observations were possible only in areas around Northern Turkey, and that too nearly 4000 years ago. This presents a clear proof that ideas migrate along with the people. The genetic evidence theory itself is questionable, educate yourself about the theory first. THIS ARTICLE IS A NONSENSE!

        • Denny crane

          Both of you are absolutely wrong. The Vedas were (almost) entirely composed in the Indian subcontinent, there are no observations from Turkey or anything of that sort (IE’s were from the Northern caucasus and the steppes not from anatolia). It was their ancestors who came from outside. Not all ANI is due to a bronze age incursion by Indo-Aryans. There was likely a movement from Iran in the neolithic as well. All non-tribal Indians are 40-70% west eurasian (Dalit or Brahmin, North or South) Even tribals have significant ancestry from various immigrants (atleast 25 – 30%)

  • Sam

    Imagine an Egyptologist who doesn’t have a rudimentary grasp of Egyptian hieroglyphics, or a scholar of Western classical history who can’t read ancient Greek or Latin. They would be mocked and laughed at for having scholarly pretensions. And yet in India these entirely derivative copy cat “historians”, whose scholarship is to essentially take other peoples work are run them through the Marxist prism, are the eminences of their domain – an academic wasteland that they have rendered for multiple generations. It is ironic to see Thapar feign belonging to the Nastika school of Indic philosophy and pretend that she isn’t the diehard Marxist that she is. As classic an example of commie dissembling from the depths of the Soviet Potemkin period as any. It is also obvious that Swamy’s flippant remark about burning Nehruvian history books is being grasped by these disgraced “historians” to obfuscate their own shoddy scholarship that went into these worthless tomes that was worthy of Lysenko himself. They are hoping that if they can wait long enough and throw up enough sand, people will forget their whopping lies and be distracted. It is the Indian eminent historian version of the “squirrel” ploy that was used to distract the attack dogs in the movie Up.

  • ccc

    Ati Uttam

  • ccc

    bravo

  • Politeindian

    Quite a nice article, exposing the subversion and subterfuge of one of the so called eminent historians of India.

    I consider myself fortunate for having read Arun Shourie’s epic book “Eminent Historians: Their technology, their line, their fraud”. If I were to decide the curriculum, I would make Arun Shourie’s book required reading for all students of history.

    As regards the likes of Romila Thapar, they have made a living out of peddling propaganda as history, and brazenly continue to do so. Any element of shame is conspicuous by its total absence in the conduct of these people. Honesty and truthfulness should be the first and foremost virtue of historians.

    These eminences must be ruing the fact that their lies like Aryan Invasion Theory and denial of evidence on Ayodhya have been nailed before they had the “opportunity” to pass away!

    😉

  • Arun Murthy

    The real homeland of Aryans lies in Hindukush. Read the papers by Michael Witzel and Steve Farmer.

    • Globalaryan

      The theories of these pseudo scholars you mention have no scientific, genetic, archaeological, or linguistics proof and have been debunked by many including scholars like Dr. Nicholas Kazanos, Dr. NS Rajaram. Michael Witzel and Steve farmer have a very bad unprofessional reputation among the historian scholar Indologist and students community and widely been known to be racist and anti-Hindu. They still believe in the now completely debunked aryan invasion/migration theory.

      Moreover, this Aryan invasion theory was started by Mueller in 1800 to support fuel the british occupation of India. the theory had NO BASIS. Even Mueller in his later years regretted having thought of this “THEORY”. In reality this Aryan invasion/migration theory and has no proofs. In a completely unethical and unprofessional manner, the racist pseudo historian/pseudo scholars are placing their racist views above the scientific principles that they should be following. This approach and attitude of their brings disrepute and disgust to the whole scientific community!!

      • Denny crane

        They are Anti-Hindu but on the homeland of the Indo-Europeans Witzel is right

  • SSM

    Romila doesn’t know Sanskrit? Shocking! It is an absolute requirement for historians to delve into primary sources. What the hell have we been doing giving her credibility for so long?

    Great expose, well-argued. The victim complex is humorous since Marxists have always been and remain to this day in control of most academic institutions.

    • Sekhars

      well many don’t ? Does Wendy Doniger know sanskrit ?. no does Sheldon Pollack knows it ? no. Romila’s idol Max Muller never visited or travelled india and became expert on India. One can read the books and see the world through the library windows but can’t learn this as it is not being taught in institutions around the world. Neither sanskrit is translatable. Even Bhagavad Gita each translation arrive to different meaning. When one reads sanskrit from childhood it makes different sense than what you read it in the books.

      We have been singing the ragas of our western masters- Romila is sepoy of west. She just survive to make a living on their payroll. This list is very long and JNU is the hub of such production in india. If we shut it down we will do a good to our nation.

      • SSM

        It’s ludicrous. Imagine a Chinese person who doesn’t know any Hebrew or Arabic writing “authoritative” works on the Bible and Quran based on some Chinese translations. Christians and Muslims would laugh him out of existence! Why do we Hindus accept this?

      • SSM

        It’s ludicrous. Imagine a Chinese person who doesn’t know any Hebrew or Arabic writing “authoritative” works on the Bible and Quran based on some Chinese translations. Christians and Muslims would laugh him out of existence! Why do we Hindus accept this?

        • Sekhars

          Hindus do not accept. It is inly seculars do who do not practice dharma as they want to be white or westernized as they feels pride in that role. They will even change their skin colors, marry outside their religion and sell their country, dharma or any thing to be western or please their western masters.

          • Hunter

            I have no clue who is circulating the absurd notion that these historians cannot read Sanskrit. Anyone who has ever read Thapar will encounter passages quoted from the original Sanskrit and translated by the author. It was inconceivable at the time that Thapar was trained for an Indologist to be ignorant of the classical language; a bit like a scholar of the Greek epics not knowing Greek. And the same goes for Sheldon Pollock.
            A historian training in ancient Indian history is obliged to learn Sanskrit before beginning research. Do the Sekhars and SSMs of the world know any Sanskrit at all? Have they read the sources in the original Sanskrit? No wonder you think Sanskrit is untranslatable. Imbeciles.

          • Sekhars

            Hunter. You are nothing but supporting western mafia’s trying to control Indian discourse. They really don’t know sanskrit- none of them can actually speak any sanskrit at all. Reading few lines and spending 40 years of his life doing this propaganda doesn’t make them able to write or speak sanskrit. . Thaper is nothing but a western troll -whose Aryan Invasion theory is now out in the dustbin. By the way I do know sanskrit as I studied till class 8th. So provide some evidence that any of these know any sanskrit at all. All my research suggest that they do not

          • SeenuSubbu

            Here is one problem with Mlecchas coming down to translate, out of sheer White man’s burden

            https://neelanjana.wordpress.com/2016/05/25/translations-and-mistranslations/

          • SeenuSubbu

            Here’s the problem with Mlecchas translating Sanskrit, out of their sheer White man’s burden

            https://neelanjana.wordpress.com/2016/05/25/translations-and-mistranslations/

          • Romi

            Hunter, if being able to write ‘passages’ in a language makes me an expert on it, then it is, as per your knucklehead logic, the easiest thing to ‘read’ any language. You pigheaded nincompoop, it is called CHEATING AND COPYING, and walk into any third class school in Bihar today (and as the news tells us, the state board as well), you will be able to meet several ‘experts’ in all kinds of ‘languages’ ha ha. Just make sure you do not ask them to speak it! Romil Thapar NEVER Does THAT. Obviously, knucklehead dare not ask why.

      • veegee

        Wendy Doniger is a Sanskrit scholar had done her graduation, post graduation and Ph.D research in Sanskrit studies. 56 years of her 74 years of life she had dedicated to the study of Sanskrit works and writing about them. Please read her credentials in Sanskrit scholarship here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Doniger

        • Sekhars

          she has written real BS on everything. By the way she hasn’t done PhD research in sanskrit. You don’t even know a thing about her. you are a colonized thinker. I don’t need to read her credential I have read her books and it belongs to dustbin and nothing but distorting facts.

          • veegee

            She has done her Ph.D on studies of Adi Sankaracharya’s works in Sanskrit, partially. She is 74 years old now and had devoted 56 years of her life for the study and research of Sanskrit language and works. There is no India comparable to her in Sanskrit studies. Late Vidhya Vachaspathi Panoli had similar dedication for Sanskrit works and devoted a life time even giving up family life. Read more about her educational qualifications here :
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Doniger
            I had a copy of her translation of selected portions of Rig Veda and I will say this is an excellent work. Better than the Rig Veda translation by Dr.Leela Devi and Balakrishnan in Malayalam.

            ” She graduated summa cum laude in Sanskrit and Indian Studies from Radcliffe College in 1962,and received her M.A. from Harvard Graduate
            School of Arts and sciences in June 1963. She then studied in India in 1963–1964 with a 12-month Junior Fellowship from the American
            Institute of Indian Studies. She received a Ph.D. from Harvard University in June 1968, with a dissertation on Asceticism and Sexuality in the Mythology of Siva, supervised by Daniel H. H. Ingalls, Sr.. She obtained a D. Phil. in Oriental Studies from Oxford University, in February 1973, with a dissertation on The Origins of Heresy in Hindu Mythology, supervised by R.C.Zaehner.”

          • james joyce

            Vegeee- watch this you might get an idea what this POLLOCK and co. are up to …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6fs1F_0yYw

          • Sekhars

            I don’t read people who distorts facts, ridicule other’s faith, inadequately documents and so called self proclaimed experts from west on eastern religion which eastern people have rejected it. More or less she is so called an expert on faith of others to which she herself doesn’t practice. I don’t need to read english translation of Rig veda from her and my own faith related literature from a person who fails to even listen, converse and ignores her critics. I have learned sanskrit till grade 10th and read and understand it without translation. By the way getting in to religious studies PhD at Harvard is not a big deal. It is not like getting into law or medicine.

          • Denny crane

            Of course Doniger knows Sanskrit and Thapar probably has atleast a decent knowledge of Sanskrit. The problem is that Doniger is a pathetic scholar as is her book ‘the Hindus’. No need to give her unnecessary praise . She superimposes her views onto those of the texts she claims to interpret and this is a problem. This besides her weak knowledge of History

          • veegee

            I have browsed the Rig Veda translations by four different authors. Wendy Doninger’s is the best. You can confirm this by seeing these translations yourselves. They are available online. The hymn to Agni, other authors have translated as if Agni is a deity, a god and is asked to come and sit near the homa kunda. Doninger very clearly wrote a note that Agni or Angiras is a priest and he is invited to sit near the fire. This is only one small example to demonstrate her scholar ship and ability to elucidate matters. See this translation by Griffith. Rig Veda book 1, Hymn 1, Agni : http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv01001.htm

          • veegee

            I have purchased her English Translation of Rig Veda and it is an excellent book. She brings out the real meaning clearly. T%here are several translations but often the passages presented are vague and mis leading. The first suktham starts Agni Meele Purohitham . . . . . . Many others have translated as if it is a praise to the deity Agni. Actually it is an invocation to the high priest named Agni. not to the deity Agni. Wendy doninger wrote a note that agni is angiras the high priest and this had cleared any misconceptions.

          • Romi

            very talented liar. veegee. who is paying you for all this effort? your two penny convert Xtian priest? did you feel no shame at all quoting this absolutely unbalanced page on wikipedia about Wendy Doniger? Were there worms crawling on your fingertips when you were typing your elaborate lies, you guttersnipe, that you DID not mention THAT DINA NATH BATRA rebutted each and every disgusting lie of Wendy’s ? Wendy is just a former jew who hates weakness and is automatically attracted to power, that is why this morally bankrupt pseudo-scholar showers praise on Islam instead! ha ha. If that is what 50 years of studying an ancient time honoured religion ‘taught ‘her,

            if you are a woman, i would say you do show some remarkable talent for ‘devil quoting scripture’ kind of tactics, and thereby following suit. But think it over, there might be money to be made without hustling! i know she was ugly but you might be fixable.

          • Srivi

            so do you really think that a 12 month study in India is adequate, in your own words it was under american institute of Indian studies. the west and the east have completely different approaches, do you think in a year she would have broken her assumptions and theories and understood dharma the way that a dharmic understands it?

          • veegee

            Wendy Doninger started studying Sanskrit literature when she was 18 years old. she had done her bachelors, masters and doctorate in Sanskrit literature and ancient scriptures. She is 72 years old now. Even in India there are very few people who have devoted their lives in the study of sanskrit scriptures.

          • Rajesh

            Do you think big degrees and PhDs from big univ give them knowledge to translate Indian texts? no univ degree can give the wealth of knowledge our ancient gurus had, and this knowledge was passed on to the shishyas through the guru shsishya parampara.. I bet even now we have great scholars who might not have PhDs but are much more scholarly than the Romilas, Wendy’s and the western gang…

          • veegee

            Wendy Doninger is 76 years old now. She started studying Sanskrit when she was 18 years old. She has done her bachelors, masters and doctorate in sanskrit syudies. I have a copy of Rig Veda translated by Wendy doninger and that is excellent. I have read few other translations but they do not do justice to the subject in that they are often vague in their interpretations.
            She had visited India and had contact with Indian scholars in Sanskrit and vedanta. : http://www.leftbrainwave.com/2014/02/whywendy-donigers-book-offends-hindus.html

          • SeenuSubbu

            Whats the point of all those many years of study, if her only objective is to lower one’s opinion on the matter? And just because *you* read the *translated* version, how do you verify the veracity of the translation?!

        • Satish Walimbe

          Wendy Doniger is a hyprocrate and a Hindu hater. Raji Malhotra has disrobed her. follow link: http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2014/02/mr-rajiv-malhotra-on-wendy-doniger-issue.html andhttp://hinduism.about.com/od/books/fl/10-Controversial-Quotes-from-Wendy-Donigerrsquos-lsquoThe-Hindusrsquo.htm

  • aasare

    Thank u

  • Sekhars

    Romila Thapar supports herself by acting on behalf of her masters of west. She can’t support by any other means. All one has to see who employs them and you know the facts. Now they have problems as there are other employers(Indian and Hindu nationalist) also in the market who are hiring without any agendas and truth is coming out. She is baffled and fears extinction. No matters of debunked theory they can no longer support

  • MARUTHI RAKETLA

    The So Called AIT felled by another revelation – The Saraswathi River, which was revered in Rig Veda. The Satellite image also indicates the course of the River and the modern scientific studies indicates the River started drying up about 20000 years back and vanished in about 10000 years back. This clearly indicates our civilization should be at least 15000 years old, not 5000 years according to western (beleaguered) historians like Max Muller.

    • Sekhars

      just like how Romila never learned single word of sanskrit Max Muller never visited India and learned about it through books and spinning ideas of western interest. All their theories are junk. As Swamy said that these books needs to be burned. I have to agree with this. If western library wants to keep them for sepoys like Pankaj Mishra they can

      • MARUTHI RAKETLA

        “unsubscribe”

    • veegee

      Saraswathi was flowing 10,000 years back. Dried up 3000 years back. Source : Book – The lost river. On the trail of Saraswati by Michel Danino

  • gk

    Max Mueller never set his foot in India, never learnt sanskrit or the sacred texts he translated from any Indian pundit. Is it any more surprising to know that the hinduphobic-marxists like Tapar lack scholarship in Sanskrit after having made a living out of Indian history in India ?

  • Rama

    Great article. Kudos. Indian students should be taught “Comparative history”. Student should be first taught the false history of Thaper et al and the reasons behind such fraudulent history.Then they should be taught ” True Indian history” which exposes these fraudsters. JNU should be put under the scanner and anyone( like RT) writing junk with an agenda should be prosecuted. Word Desa Dhrogis comes to mind when you come across people like RT.

    • NSRajaram

      I am writing a series that I have called REDISCOVERING INDIA which will try to give a truer version of history based on science and the primary sources.

      • Srivi

        can you give a link if it is published online

  • Urchin Spock

    Kudos! Intolerant anti-HIndu Marxist literatures should be kept as museum pieces, just like Stalin/Lenin busts!