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Romila Thapar: Eminent Historian’s continuing fraud

The 27 October edition of Hindu  published a report titled ‘Academics must question more’ in which ‘eminent’ historian Romila Thapar questioned why Delhi’s intelligentsia were not opposing the changes about to be made in the education system. Specifically she is worried about recent remarks made by Dr. Subramanian Swamy about burning history books penned by eminent historians like her.

Although it is inappropriate in a democracy for leaders to demand burning of books, and so far the government has not conceded to this dreadful demand, it is strange that such fear is coming from Ms.Thapar whose ilk was famous for silencing any dissenting and truthful voice against their ideological spin on history.

One must credit experts like Arun Shourie whose book “Eminent Historians: Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud” has done a beautiful job of exposing the art of disfiguring Indian history as done by leftist ideologues like Thapar. A sample of this meticulous expose can be seen in this extract:

Next to the Pushyamitra fable, the most popular “evidence” for Hindu persecutions of Buddhism is a passage in Kalhana’s history of Kashmir, the Rajatarangini (Taranga 7: 1089 ff.), where king Harsha is accused of looting and desecrating temples. This example is given by JNU emeritus professor of ancient history, Romila Thapar, in Romila Thapar et al.: Communalism in the Writing of Indian History, p.15-16, and now again in her letter to Mr. Manish Tayal (UK), 7-2-1999. The latter letter was written in reply to Mr. Tayal’s query on Arun Shourie’s revelations on the financial malversations and scholarly manipulations of a group of historians, mainly from JNU and AMU…Note, at any rate, Romila Thapar’s total reliance on arguments of authority and status. No less than seven times does she denounce Shourie’s alleged (and unproven) incompetence: Shourie has “not the faintest idea”, is “unaware”, “untrained”, and “does not know”, and what he does is “laughable”, “a joke”, “garbage”. But what exactly is wrong in his writing, we are not allowed to know. If history is now a professional discipline, one couldn’t deduce it from this letter of hers, for its line of argument is part snobbish and part feudal (appeal to formal authority), but quite bereft of the scientific approach.

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Her standing and influence as a historian was largely based on repeating the discredited theory of Aryans invading India. As previously proved by NS Rajaram Ms.Thapar hardly  knows any Sanskrit, let alone Vedic Sanskrit, and her entire research on  India is built on 19th century translations  of Vedas and the Puranas, done mostly by colonial era scholars who gave these a racial interpretation. As expected this theory of the Aryan invasion collapsed under rigourous scientific scrutiny.

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This meticulous report  more than anything explains the falsification of AIT. The relevant portion is given below:

…It was the publication in 2011 of a path-breaking study that ultimately sealed the fate of the Aryan Invasion or Migration theory…The authors, by analysing genomes of 571 individuals representing 73 ethno-linguistic groups, also ruled out Eurasian gene flow during this time period, concurring with the finding of another study that such an event could not have happened before 12,500 years. Moreover, argued the scientists, 3500 years ago India was a already a densely populated region with well-established agricultural practices and therefore the Eurasian migration would have had to be immense in order to explain the fact that half the Indian population is derived from ANI. The Aryan Migration event of 1500 BCE has also been questioned based on an authoritative haplogroup U linkage study wherein scientists found an extensive and deep late-Pleistocene link between Indians and Europeans, suggesting a coalescence near the time when Asia was initially being peopled……..

It has also been shown that the gateway to the subcontinent, the Hindu Kush – where the earliest archaeological evidence of human remains dates back to 26,500 years before the Rig Veda – was a confluence of gene-flows in the early Neolithic period as opposed to an indigenous population…..The verdict of population genetics is clear, and profound, as pointed out subsequently by the lead author of the Nature study Dr Lalji Singh himself: “There is no genetic evidence that Indo-Aryans invaded or migrated to India. It is high time we re-write India’s prehistory based on scientific evidence.”

 Prof Thapar, though, is dismissive of the overwhelming scientific evidence that negates the Aryan Migration event. Time waits for no one, least of all junked theories. Scientists, having pointed out that the Müllerian Aryan Invasion – or the Romilian Aryan Migration – never happened, have returned to their garages.

That was strike one.

Another highlight of Ms.Thapar’s career as a historian was her attempt to prove the non-existence of a temple in the disputed site of Ayodhya. During the 1998-2004 reign of the BJP government, in 2003, the Archeological Survey of India (ASI) employed a large number of Muslims in its excavation of remains in Ayodhya to obstruct the predictable allegation of acting as a Hindu nationalist front. The findings confirmed those of the excavations in the 1950s, 1970s and 1992: a very large Hindu religious building stood at the site before the Babri Masjid and in 2010 the Allahabad High Court accepted these findings by India’s apex archaeological body.

That was strike two for Ms.Thapar.
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The Hindu report also mentions:

Tracing the lineage of the modern public intellectual to Shamanic philosophers of ancient India, Prof. Thapar said the non-Brahminical thinkers of ancient India were branded as Nastikas or non-believers. “I am reminded of the present day where if you don’t accept what Hindutva teaches, you’re all branded together as Marxists,” she added.

There it is, like most of the leftist historians, Ms. Thapar promotes the idea that somehow she and her fellow distortionists are similar to the dissenting savants of the ancient time.

First and foremost, the word Nastika, is often translated into English as atheism, while it has no such meaning in Indian Philosophy. Jainism denies a formal  God, but does not deny godhead; every liberated soul is divine. In Mahayana Buddhism, Bodhisatva is worshipped as God. Even the pro-vedic Sankhya and Mimamsa schools do not believe in God and should by Western sorting be atheistic, but in India they are treated as Astika or in Thapar’s terms Brahmanical. This is because in Indian Philosophy the term Nastika is used for one who does not accept the authority of the Vedas.

Secondly almost all the ancient Indian philosophers like Buddha, Kapila and Charvaka operated in the Vedic framework but did not consider learning the Vedas as a prerequisite to realize the enlightened truth. Ms. Thapar should know that a celebrated verse of the Veda holds thus: Yatra vedaa aveda, meaning when the Vedic seeker of Truth finally realizes the Truth, the Veda (in the sense of the book/mantras) itself must be discarded. In that sense the Nastika savants were more in proximity with the Brahminical thinkers, in contrast to Ms. Thapar’s claims.

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In fact Vidyaranya, the notable 14th century Vedic philosopher, in his magnum opus Sarvadarshansamgraha, (which discussed all the religious schools of thought within the Hindu structure) dedicated the first chapter to the philosophy of Charvaka and indeed made a very strong argument in favor of materialism.

Last but not the least if you had read the Upanishads Ms.Thapar you would have realized that the so-called Brahmanical sages like Nachiketa, Sulabha and Janaka advanced their viewpoints by questioning and debating unlike your Marxist kind which believes in imposition of untruth and inhibition of truth.

And that was strike three. But do not worry; you are not yet out Ms. Thapar. People of your stature are needed in the public sphere to show how ideology and political connections can take precedence over the correct interpretation of history. What else can explain your inclusion as one of the members of the high profile Delhi Urban Heritage Foundation or DHUF? Isn’t it due to the courtesy of Najeeb Jung, the eminent Lt. Governor of Delhi, who heads this high profile foundation?

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As far as I’ve read the DHUF has decided to undertake the renovation and landscaping of the following two sites:

1.     Lado Sarai Tomb

2.     The former Viceregal Lodge at Delhi University.

I am no academician but I will exercise my democratic right (yes Ms Sagarika they are still intact) to ask this relatable question:  Why is the DHUF not interested in the restoration and landscaping of scores of Hindu temples, Jain basadis and a number of Gurudwaras in Delhi which are said to be of historical importance?

And in conclusion do not worry Ms. Thapar. Hopefully the history books penned by you and your kind will not be set on fire. After all we need to learn from the mistakes of our past and what can be a better example than the ideological invectives your lot presented as history?

 

 

  • Kumar

    Romila Thapar can’t even read Indian Texts in its original. How come she claim to understand it. With having a proper & comprehensive knowledge of Sanskrit Grammar any attempt to understand them is farce & fraud. The you rely on translations which are convenient to your ideology.

    Madam Thapar it’s still not late you can master Laghusiddhant Kamudi in 2 years. That’s basic to understand sanskrit literature. & then there is Madhysiddhant, then Brihatsiddhant & then Shekahr & lastly Ashtadhayai of Panani. Sanskrit words hare so tricky that without a proper knowledge of Sanskrit grammer you are bound to fumble & thats what has happened with the Romila Thapar & her ilks.

    Being a student of Sanskrit grammar I understand how dangerous it is to attempt to interpret the Scriptures.

    There is still time. it’s never late to stand corrected.

  • kishore

    INSIGHT TRULY REVEALING.DEMOLISHES MARXIAN IMPOSITION OF HISTORY SUSTAINED BY ANTIINDIAN HISTORIANS,WHO R BIASED SCHOLARS.

  • Sahadev Kunapuli

    Human beings had a shared common history in terms of language. Migrations based on natural causes / disasters need not be portrayed as invasions or destructive migrations. Modern DNA analysis which was not available earlier is a new dimension in studying migratory patterns of human beings.
    See : http://dienekes.blogspot.in/2010/12/solution-to-problem-of-indo-aryan.html

    The clay tablets of Mitanni kingdom recovered in Bogazkale , Turkey reveal horse training manual of Kikkuli with sanskrit words and invocation of Aryan gods – Indra, Mitra, Varuna , Aswinis in treaties between Mitanni & Hittite kingdoms

    See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_superstrate_in_Mitanni

    Many words from old persian language are today part of many Indian languages : Gao- cow, vacah- vaak( word, speech), vaesha- visha- poison, staota- stotra, vaaaa ( vaana – rain in Telugu)
    All we can say at some point of time in the past human beings with common language, culture ,migrated both eastwards and westwards over a period of time and not necessarily as invaders . No conquerors, no vanquished, all human beings in search of livelihood

  • NSRajaram

    Thapar lacks the competence to read the Veda let alone grasp its meaning. She could at least study the Upanishads which are more accessible. The fact she hasn’t bothered shows she is not serious about her job. She rightly believed her political influence would cover her lack of qualification. She was close to the Nehru family (relative by marriage) and a fellow Marxist. This is how secularist history was created.

    • Virat

      Still she is regarded as an eminent historian by our media . Someone has to call her bluff. BJP is good for nothing

  • त्रिदीव मुखर्जी

    Another idiotic article by a RSS fanatic. Idiots are quoting NS Rajaram- a Mathematician who tries to behave like a historian, supporting the demolition of Babri Masjid, and claiming the decipherment of Indus valley script. This idiot once tried to prove that horse was known to the Harappans by misinterpreting a Harappan seal. Good. Let idiots quote idiots and let idiots alone believe them. Engineers, journalists, mathematicians, ritoters- nowadays everyone seems to be a historian. And these creatures label the real historians as Marxists and want them to sell ‘Papdi Chaat’ instead of teaching and writing History. Writing history books will, from now onwards, be carried on by the mentally retarded, prejudiced and self-claimed scholars like Poulasta Chakraborty. Great! Great! Great!

    • NSRajaram

      I am Rajaram. what has presence or not of the horse got to do with our my reading (with Jha) of the Indus language and script. People fell for the Witzel-Farmer attack on me and Jha only because they have a white skin. This is another secularist trait– worship of the white skin. Do you think anyone would have taken Wendy Doniger seriously had she not been of white European extraction?

    • Globalaryan

      Your faulty reasoning and logic matches the description of the sickular historian mindset that Dr. Koenraad Elst best describes when he said re: Romila Thapars criticism of Arun Shourie “But what exactly is wrong in his writing, we are not allowed to know. If history is now a professional discipline, one couldn’t deduce it from this letter of hers, for its line of argument is part snobbish and part medieval (relying on formal authority), but quite bereft of the scientific approach. Reliance on authority and especially on academic titles is quite common in academic circles, yet it is hardly proof of a scholarly mentality.”

      You are simply throwing dirt without any credible reasoning. Can you dispute that Romila Thapa knows Sanskrit or knew Sanskrit when she wrote her “scholarly” works?? your questioning of Rajaram’s assessment has no basis.

      The likes of you don’t have any problem in quoting Amartaya Sen who is an economist also and has written and continues to write on Indian History. And FYI, the IDIOT Romila Thapar believes in Aryan Invasion/migration theory (and later on changed Aryan migration theory), a theory that has been debunked by scientific, archaeological, linguistic and genetics evidence. You can read the scientific work highlighted in “Indiana Jones and the Troublesome Aryans” that disputes and debunks any Aryan invasion/migration theory.

      Your comments are proof of your bigotry and double standards commonly used by sickulars who are quick to brand anyone who doesn’t agree with their biased views as RSS fanatics without realising that in reality it is YOU, who is a fanatic!

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  • Dalip Bhati

    Why don’t we ignore Ms Thapar and stop giving her importance avoid her please visit http://www.bharatgaurav.co.in/2014/10/untaught-history1.html

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  • munusamy ganapathy

    The surety on aryan migration theory being false propogated by hindutwawallahs using a genetic study is funny as the same genetic study under the same team as yielded results of presence of two distinct genetic groups named ANI and ASI respectively instead of aryans and dravidians and comes to the conclusion of intermixing happening between the two 4200 years back and tapering of intermixing 1900 years back

    http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2013_AJHG_Priya_India_Date.pdf

    There exist gothras of rishis for a specific group of people across the country from kashmir to refugees to lahore to kanyakumari unlike sudras/tribals across the country who have very specific family trees peculiar to their region and language.Presence of bharadwaja or kashya gothra in both kashmir and kanyakumari indicates migration or lies by a group which had no connection between themselves.There are studies which trace the names of rishi gothras to cowsheds in afghanistan and most if not all brahmin scholars/leaders/hindu religious heads in preindependence india where proud of aryan invasion theory and they being aryans

    When same gothra marriages are shunned in hindu upper castes it implies a common origin and presence of same gothra across 1000s of KM indicates migration to any logical reader but hindutwawallahs

  • munusamy ganapathy

    The surety on aryan migration theory being false propogated by hindutwawallahs using a genetic study is funny as the same genetic study under the same team as yielded results of presence of two distinct genetic groups named ANI and ASI respectively instead of aryans and dravidians and comes to the conclusion of intermixing happening between the two 4200 years back and tapering of intermixing 1900 years back

    http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2013_AJHG_Priya_India_Date.pdf

    There exist gothras of rishis for a specific group of people across the country from kashmir to refugees to lahore to kanyakumari unlike sudras/tribals across the country who have very specific family trees peculiar to their region and language.Presence of bharadwaja or kashya gothra in both kashmir and kanyakumari indicates migration or lies by a group which had no connection between themselves.There are studies which trace the names of rishi gothras to cowsheds in afghanistan and most if not all brahmin scholars/leaders/hindu religious heads in preindependence india where proud of aryan invasion theory and they being aryans

    When same gothra marriages are shunned in hindu upper castes it implies a common origin and presence of same gothra across 1000s of KM indicates migration to any logical reader but hindutwawallahs

    • Alakshyendra

      Idiot, do you have any conclusive studies to support your thesis or just idle conjectures and guess work?

      • Before calling him an idiot – please educate yourself about the fact that many astronomical observations present in Rg Veda were not ever possible in the Indian subcontinental region. These observations were possible only in areas around Northern Turkey, and that too nearly 4000 years ago. This presents a clear proof that ideas migrate along with the people. The genetic evidence theory itself is questionable, educate yourself about the theory first. THIS ARTICLE IS A NONSENSE!

  • Sam

    Imagine an Egyptologist who doesn’t have a rudimentary grasp of Egyptian hieroglyphics, or a scholar of Western classical history who can’t read ancient Greek or Latin. They would be mocked and laughed at for having scholarly pretensions. And yet in India these entirely derivative copy cat “historians”, whose scholarship is to essentially take other peoples work are run them through the Marxist prism, are the eminences of their domain – an academic wasteland that they have rendered for multiple generations. It is ironic to see Thapar feign belonging to the Nastika school of Indic philosophy and pretend that she isn’t the diehard Marxist that she is. As classic an example of commie dissembling from the depths of the Soviet Potemkin period as any. It is also obvious that Swamy’s flippant remark about burning Nehruvian history books is being grasped by these disgraced “historians” to obfuscate their own shoddy scholarship that went into these worthless tomes that was worthy of Lysenko himself. They are hoping that if they can wait long enough and throw up enough sand, people will forget their whopping lies and be distracted. It is the Indian eminent historian version of the “squirrel” ploy that was used to distract the attack dogs in the movie Up.

  • ccc

    Ati Uttam

  • ccc

    bravo

  • Politeindian

    Quite a nice article, exposing the subversion and subterfuge of one of the so called eminent historians of India.

    I consider myself fortunate for having read Arun Shourie’s epic book “Eminent Historians: Their technology, their line, their fraud”. If I were to decide the curriculum, I would make Arun Shourie’s book required reading for all students of history.

    As regards the likes of Romila Thapar, they have made a living out of peddling propaganda as history, and brazenly continue to do so. Any element of shame is conspicuous by its total absence in the conduct of these people. Honesty and truthfulness should be the first and foremost virtue of historians.

    These eminences must be ruing the fact that their lies like Aryan Invasion Theory and denial of evidence on Ayodhya have been nailed before they had the “opportunity” to pass away!

    😉

  • Arun Murthy

    The real homeland of Aryans lies in Hindukush. Read the papers by Michael Witzel and Steve Farmer.

    • Globalaryan

      The theories of these pseudo scholars you mention have no scientific, genetic, archaeological, or linguistics proof and have been debunked by many including scholars like Dr. Nicholas Kazanos, Dr. NS Rajaram. Michael Witzel and Steve farmer have a very bad unprofessional reputation among the historian scholar Indologist and students community and widely been known to be racist and anti-Hindu. They still believe in the now completely debunked aryan invasion/migration theory.

      Moreover, this Aryan invasion theory was started by Mueller in 1800 to support fuel the british occupation of India. the theory had NO BASIS. Even Mueller in his later years regretted having thought of this “THEORY”. In reality this Aryan invasion/migration theory and has no proofs. In a completely unethical and unprofessional manner, the racist pseudo historian/pseudo scholars are placing their racist views above the scientific principles that they should be following. This approach and attitude of their brings disrepute and disgust to the whole scientific community!!

  • SSM

    Romila doesn’t know Sanskrit? Shocking! It is an absolute requirement for historians to delve into primary sources. What the hell have we been doing giving her credibility for so long?

    Great expose, well-argued. The victim complex is humorous since Marxists have always been and remain to this day in control of most academic institutions.

    • Sekhars

      well many don’t ? Does Wendy Doniger know sanskrit ?. no does Sheldon Pollack knows it ? no. Romila’s idol Max Muller never visited or travelled india and became expert on India. One can read the books and see the world through the library windows but can’t learn this as it is not being taught in institutions around the world. Neither sanskrit is translatable. Even Bhagavad Gita each translation arrive to different meaning. When one reads sanskrit from childhood it makes different sense than what you read it in the books.

      We have been singing the ragas of our western masters- Romila is sepoy of west. She just survive to make a living on their payroll. This list is very long and JNU is the hub of such production in india. If we shut it down we will do a good to our nation.

      • SSM

        It’s ludicrous. Imagine a Chinese person who doesn’t know any Hebrew or Arabic writing “authoritative” works on the Bible and Quran based on some Chinese translations. Christians and Muslims would laugh him out of existence! Why do we Hindus accept this?

      • SSM

        It’s ludicrous. Imagine a Chinese person who doesn’t know any Hebrew or Arabic writing “authoritative” works on the Bible and Quran based on some Chinese translations. Christians and Muslims would laugh him out of existence! Why do we Hindus accept this?

        • Sekhars

          Hindus do not accept. It is inly seculars do who do not practice dharma as they want to be white or westernized as they feels pride in that role. They will even change their skin colors, marry outside their religion and sell their country, dharma or any thing to be western or please their western masters.

          • Hunter

            I have no clue who is circulating the absurd notion that these historians cannot read Sanskrit. Anyone who has ever read Thapar will encounter passages quoted from the original Sanskrit and translated by the author. It was inconceivable at the time that Thapar was trained for an Indologist to be ignorant of the classical language; a bit like a scholar of the Greek epics not knowing Greek. And the same goes for Sheldon Pollock.
            A historian training in ancient Indian history is obliged to learn Sanskrit before beginning research. Do the Sekhars and SSMs of the world know any Sanskrit at all? Have they read the sources in the original Sanskrit? No wonder you think Sanskrit is untranslatable. Imbeciles.

          • Sekhars

            Hunter. You are nothing but supporting western mafia’s trying to control Indian discourse. They really don’t know sanskrit- none of them can actually speak any sanskrit at all. Reading few lines and spending 40 years of his life doing this propaganda doesn’t make them able to write or speak sanskrit. . Thaper is nothing but a western troll -whose Aryan Invasion theory is now out in the dustbin. By the way I do know sanskrit as I studied till class 8th. So provide some evidence that any of these know any sanskrit at all. All my research suggest that they do not

  • aasare

    Thank u

  • Sekhars

    Romila Thapar supports herself by acting on behalf of her masters of west. She can’t support by any other means. All one has to see who employs them and you know the facts. Now they have problems as there are other employers(Indian and Hindu nationalist) also in the market who are hiring without any agendas and truth is coming out. She is baffled and fears extinction. No matters of debunked theory they can no longer support

  • MARUTHI RAKETLA

    The So Called AIT felled by another revelation – The Saraswathi River, which was revered in Rig Veda. The Satellite image also indicates the course of the River and the modern scientific studies indicates the River started drying up about 20000 years back and vanished in about 10000 years back. This clearly indicates our civilization should be at least 15000 years old, not 5000 years according to western (beleaguered) historians like Max Muller.

    • Sekhars

      just like how Romila never learned single word of sanskrit Max Muller never visited India and learned about it through books and spinning ideas of western interest. All their theories are junk. As Swamy said that these books needs to be burned. I have to agree with this. If western library wants to keep them for sepoys like Pankaj Mishra they can

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  • gk

    Max Mueller never set his foot in India, never learnt sanskrit or the sacred texts he translated from any Indian pundit. Is it any more surprising to know that the hinduphobic-marxists like Tapar lack scholarship in Sanskrit after having made a living out of Indian history in India ?

  • Rama

    Great article. Kudos. Indian students should be taught “Comparative history”. Student should be first taught the false history of Thaper et al and the reasons behind such fraudulent history.Then they should be taught ” True Indian history” which exposes these fraudsters. JNU should be put under the scanner and anyone( like RT) writing junk with an agenda should be prosecuted. Word Desa Dhrogis comes to mind when you come across people like RT.

    • NSRajaram

      I am writing a series that I have called REDISCOVERING INDIA which will try to give a truer version of history based on science and the primary sources.

  • Urchin Spock

    Kudos! Intolerant anti-HIndu Marxist literatures should be kept as museum pieces, just like Stalin/Lenin busts!