The Battle for Sanskrit: A Battle We Cannot Afford to Lose

We must learn and experience for ourselves the great treasures of spirituality, philosophy, ethics and literary masterpieces bestowed upon us by our ancestors.

Rajiv Malhotra’s new book, “The Battle for Sanskrit” (www.thebattleforsanskrit.com), is a must-read book that exposes efforts underway by Sheldon Pollock and other Indologists to essentially de-sanctify Sanskrit and reinterpret it through a Marxist lens.

In this book, Malhotra explains clearly and simply the key ideas in this body of scholarship and what is at stake for Hindus and India as these ideas are being carefully fed into the mainstream culture and media.  Malhotra has distilled the arcane complexities of enormous tracts of Sanskrit scholarship into a clear narrative, has explained the stakes of the debate between these scholars and a traditional view of Hinduism and has offered a compelling rebuttal to their main arguments.

The Importance of Samskriti

This is a battle not just over the language of Sanskrit but the very samskriti that constitutes Indic civilization.  Samskriti is one of a set of three related words: prakriti (basic matter or condition), samskriti (refined matter or condition) and vikrti (modified or decayed matter or condition).  Samskriti is what makes the block of stone of prakriti into a beautiful sculpture, or a piece of jewelry out of the prakriti of a lump of gold, as beautifully explained by Swami Harshananda.  In terms of civilization, samskriti is what makes a society a nation and a nation a civilization, what binds together a people and gives them an identity, a common purpose and set of values by which to live.

Our samskriti consists of the epic histories recording the deeds of our forefathers as told to us through the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, the metaphysical and philosophical frameworks underpinning the Vedas and the Vedangas that are encapsulated in our classical arts, our sacred texts and the language of Sanskrit—which is the language of our devas, the language of our rites of worship and the mother language of the vernaculars that we speak today.

Making the Spiritual Political — Reinterpreting Hinduism through a Marxist Lens

According to Pollock and this school of Indologists, Hindu sacred traditions and texts should be stripped of their spiritual elements and reinterpreted through a purely political perspective.  In their view, Sanskrit’s main purpose is not as a medium for expressing the religious, aesthetic and artistic ideals of the Indic people, but rather is a political tool of oppression by the elites against shudras, non-Aryans and women in particular.

Co-Opting Traditional Hindu Voices to Support a Marxist Agenda

What makes this school of Indologists especially dangerous is that their scholarship is not limited to arcane textbooks or the halls of the Ivory Tower.  Their distortions of the Sanskrit tradition are going mainstream.

Sheldon PollockPollock himself has gone mainstream.  His work has filtered through into mainstream media explanations of Indian politics and popular cultural depictions of the Ramayana.  For example, the politicization of the Ramayana and the casteist interpretation of it as pioneered by Pollock has been echoed by Devdutt Patnaik and others, as seen for example in the popular new Star Plus TV serial, Siya ke Rama.  Pollock is the driving force behind the Murty Classical library, a huge project to translate into English the classical literature of Indian civilization.  He is in effect defining what should be deemed to be our classical texts and how they should be interpreted.

Pollock is also attempting to co-opt the most powerful traditional Hindu religious institutions into his avowedly anti-Hindu mission.  For example, he has targeted Sringeri, the very first matha founded by Adi Shankaracharya, to sponsor named university chairs that would carry on this kind of scholarship in the name of Sringeri without giving Sringeri any control over the scholars selected or the scholarship pursued.   Were such a plan to succeed, it would be tantamount to the Vatican authorizing an atheist to represent its interests and speak on its behalf and in its name.

We are losing control over our own Samskriti

Imagine the ironies of this situation.  If we care about Indic civilization, the most ancient surviving religious tradition in the world, if we care about the preservation of the legacy of our ancestors, of retaining the integrity of that culture and religion which has been so carefully transmitted to us from generation to generation over so many thousands of years, then how can we so carelessly give away custodianship of that samskriti to those who do not have the loyalty to our tradition or a vested interest in its preservation?

That which is most precious to us should also be the most carefully protected and safeguarded.  When it comes to financial wealth, we entrust it only to those who are properly credentialed and who owe us a fiduciary duty to safeguard and protect our assets.  How bitterly ironic that we are willing to squander away the wealth of our civilization into the hands of those who do not even respect the sanctity of our traditions, who do not believe in our Dharma, whose views and interpretations of our traditions are completely at odds with the teachings of our acharyas and rishis.

Malhotra’s Call to Action – A Call We Must Heed

In many ways, this is Malhotra’s most challenging book yet.  The subject matter is tough and vast in scope.  It requires deep study.  Pollock is not obnoxious in his writings or overtly anti-Hindu the way Doniger and her ‘children’ have been.  To engage him meaningfully requires deep research and careful study.

ramaMuch is at stake.  Mere armchair activism will not suffice.  We have to assert ownership over our own traditions.  We have to study our traditions and define them for ourselves.  For, the core problem is not what Pollock and others are doing.  The core problem is what we ourselves have not done.  We have abdicated our responsibilities towards Dharma.  We have not preserved our Sanskrit manuscripts; we have not created classics libraries of our own; we have not written proper English translations of our shastras.

It is a very sorry state of affairs indeed.  Our traditional institutions of religious learning were destroyed by the British and have yet to be rebuilt.  Sanskrit is studied more seriously outside of India than within India.  There are no proper Hinduism studies or Indology programs in India, none that would rival the clout of Harvard or the University of Chicago.  The study of Indic civilization, the history of our people and our lands, the substance of our religious traditions, are being researched and written about not by us but by those who are studying us from the outside.

In this vacuum, in this complete absence of a Hindu ‘home team’ of scholars, it is inevitable that others would step in and take up the mantle we have discarded.  If we do not take up ownership of our own traditions, if we do not invest the resources to study and practice and preserve them, it is inevitable that others will rewrite our history and samskriti for us.  And in the process we will have lost that which is the most valuable to us, that which defines us and binds us together.

And this is the central challenge and plea embedded in Malhotra’s book, that we must realize before it is too late the game that is being played by the other side, what is at stake in this battle, how is it to be fought, and then we must act.  We have to rebuild our traditional institutions of learning.  We have to develop a generation of Hindu scholars immersed in the tradition and yet also conversant in Western philosophy and lingo and savvy enough to debate and debunk it.  We have to stop outsourcing the work of studying and teaching our samskriti.  Hindus can no longer afford to be content with taking shortcuts to learn about Hinduism from TV serials or Facebook posts or articles in the mainstream media.  We must delve deep into our tradition, into the primary sources, into the wonders of Sanskrit.  We must learn and experience for ourselves the great treasures of spirituality, philosophy, ethics and literary masterpieces bestowed upon us by our ancestors.  The battle for Sanskrit is on, and it is a battle we cannot afford to lose.

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  • RVenkatanarayanan

    Aditi has done well to highlight the insidious ways in which Hindu Dharma and Hindu Samskrirti which constitute Hindu civilization are sought to be not merely undermined but grievously wounded by attributing motives to Sanskrit, the Deva Basha. Pollock is a good scholar in Sanskrit but his purpose and motive in looking at Sanskrit through Marxist lens must be resisted. And this is what Rajiv Malhotra’s book, not easy to write, seeks to do. It must be noted that RM does not condemn Pollock. What concerned Hindu Dharmis must do is to help create high quality civilizational studies in India. Sanskrit can not and should not be relegated to some secondary position in curricula, whatever men like Kancha illaya or Darylimple or Ramachandra Guha, or, of course, that “eminent historian” Romilla Thapar may think or say. It is not sufficient to simply praise RM’s book or compliment him. Young scholars must strive to follow his footsteps and produce written works. Eventually a corpus will develop to protect Sanskrit and our Samskriti.
    RVN

  • Shyam

    Book is available at Amazon. Please write reviews, comment, engage and spread awareness.

    http://www.amazon.in/The-Battle-Sanskrit-Oppressive-Liberating/dp/9351775380/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

  • Sameer

    prakriti (basic matter or condition), samskriti (refined matter or
    condition) and vikrti (modified or decayed matter or condition)???????? Really?

  • am

    I have already started to do but it is at an elementary stage hope to move forward.

  • Sledgehammer

    I have a question, Why doesn’t IndiaFacts start Hinduism studies or Indology programs and crowd source funds for such an effort. I don’t earn much but I am willing to commit a sum of money every month for the rest of my life for such an effort and I am sure millions of Hindus hungry to learn and re discover their roots will contribute generously.

  • Highlight with bold, words like Devdutt Patnaik[Tv series on (Communist/Muslim)Epic Channel] and
    Star Plus TV serial, Siya ke Rama etc

  • Savarkar’s Disciple

    I know most Hindus are lazy and invest on one liners rather than years of tapascharya but please do buy RM’s
    The Battle for Sanskrit: Is Sanskrit Political or Sacred, Oppressive orLiberating, Dead or Alive?
    Its available both on Kindle and in hard cover and please don’t forget to give great reviews and higher ratings.

    http://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B01AI731PA?keywords=rajiv%20malhotra&qid=1453366656&ref_=sr_1_1_twi_kin_2&sr=8-1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Ishanuvj8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxcvh2BQu1g

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j84sUcOTBRM

  • Ajay Singh

    Good article but it seems the writer has nt learned from sanskrit non translatables.still using religion/spiritual

  • Balakrishnan Hariharan

    The more I read , the more I am getting convinced that the Hindus are a stupid community. I regret having to say so. My apologies if I have hurt anyone.

  • IndiannotAmused

    The Ananda group [ of AnandaBazarPatrika camp ] is a huge supporter of Pollock and VERY active in propagating his views among an already deracinated Bengali Bhadralok population.Ten more years and Calcutta will be another SriNagar-a centre of anti-Hindu activism [it already is,in many ways].Nobody ever points a finger at the Avowedly Marxist Anti-Hindu ABP group.There are allegations that it is being run by Church money and ………..brace for this…………….Freemason money.

  • Gopi Maliwal

    “Hindus can no longer afford to be content with taking shortcuts to learn
    about Hinduism from TV serials or Facebook posts or articles in the
    mainstream media.”
    ..alas….

  • Excellent article! As soon as I can get my hands on the BFS book, I am putting the Mandala of Indic Studies volumes on the back burner. Time is of the essence here. What will happen to Bhārata, otherwise? Look at the Native Americans of the Americas, and that is your fate. Just a footnote in the annals of Western history. Don’t let this happen. Praṇāma…

  • R Nanjappa

    History is repeating itself. What Max Muller did in the 19th century is being repeated now by Pollock and co. This is because we have not learned the lessons of history. Not only not learned, but actually spurned it; otherwise how do we account for “educated” and wealthy Indians collaborating with those who aim at our destruction?

    But there are some subtle differences. Max Muller did it to please colonial powers and help the Christian missionary work. What the leftists are attempting is neither, but itself constitutes a new phase in the imperialism of the mind. First, the leftist elements in the US are busy denying/destroying the bases of their own civilization, including their religion.They consider Western civilisation to be While-Christian-male centered and all these elements are called into question.Second, they are denying their own classical literary tradition: for eg. in English literature, they dispute the very idea of a ‘canon’, question what should be considered classics and included in the canon, and also say that Milton or Shakespeare should not be required reading.. Or where Shakespeare is to be studied, it should be from the Marxist/feminist/Freudian angle. Third, they are reassessing the role of their own national heroes like Washington and Jefferson, whom they try to show in bad light. Leading newspapers there are in league with them. Thus, these forces are out to destroy the elements of their own civilisation.

    If they now target our Sanskrit literature, it is only a logical extension of their approach. But the danger/tragedy in India is that while in the US, there are still powerful lobbies/ groups to defend the tradition, in India we do not have such organised lobbies or groups. We have some disparate elements, but they have neither economic nor political power. And the second danger is that it will help the Christians in India to further attack and weaken Hinduism- even if it is no part of the stated design.

    The so called Shankara Mutts have not done anything positive all these years to promote the study of our scriptures or Sanskrit learning in a big or meaningful way.They have not come up with publication of even the basic literature: the Manu Smriti, the Upanishads, the Gita. ( No wonder the space is occupied by the likes of Wendy Doniger.)They are only busy with promoting personality cults and sponsoring secular education.

    There are some serious questions to ponder. And strategies to devise. Sanskrit is a vast ocean, one could be learning it all one’s life.While would be scholars might focus on a formal study, for our general purposes, our Sanskrit study should be focused and text-based, especially in respect of our sacred literature. Swami Chinmayananda selected some part of our sacred books and held week-long classes. The participants had the immediate benefit of learning some vital text, and the incidental, long-term effect of learning Sanskrit. Persons who attended such classes affirm their effectiveness. Chinmayananda proved one more point: it is the English-educated, Western-oriented urban Indian who is the prime enemy of Sanskrit learning in India. The Swami targeted precisely such people saying, ‘Hindus have to be converted to Hinduism’. Now I am not saying that this is the only possible or even the ideal approach. But it was practical, and has worked.for over 4 decades! He did not merely talk of promoting Sanskrit. He focused on our scriptures, and Sanskrit got promoted !

    We have to admit openly that the language is sacred because it is linked to sacred literature.and ultimately serves a sacred purpose. Over a generation ago, Judith M.Tyberg wrote, inspired by Sri Aurobindo, her beautiful book named “The Language of The Gods ” which is an introduction to the study of the Hindu sacred Sanskrit literature .[East-West Cultural Centre, Los Angeles, 1970.] It is entirely in English where all the Sanskrit words are simply transliterated, without the original Sanskrit. But if we study that, we get to know the original vocabulary of the literature , but in English. ( it is like many of us learning Sanskrit through the aksharas of our own regional language, without the Devnagari script.) i have not come across a similar Indian effort all these years- not even an imitation! If only we could supply the original Sanskrit words in the Devanagari script, it will be an excellent introduction to the whole of our sacred lore!

    One should be wary of promoting Sanskrit education through the govt.controlled school-system. There the language will be taught only in name,rather mechanically, without regard to its Mantric power, based on kavya or other secular subjects and that will not be adequate to tackle our sacred literature. This is the secret that Chinmayananda discovered: if we have to promote Sanskrit for the sake of the sacred literature, then directly start with that literature!

    There is the difficulty of obtaining decent editions of Sanskrit books with good English translations at reasonable price. The Gita Press, Gorakhpur alone is providing good editions. But when it comes to a regional language like Tamil (where perhaps the need for the original Sanskrit text is the greatest) they are offering only a Tamilised version, be it the Ramayana or the Bhagavata. The Gita is the lone exception. But their quality and price are not easily matched.

    We have editions from other sources like the Ramakrishna Math (with their slants), Divine Life Society,, Chinmaya Mission which are all good and reasonably priced, but they do not cover all literature. We should avoid all editions brought out by commercial publishers as they are not faithful to our tradition in all cases.

    There are small ways in which individuals may help and promote the cause. For the last 10 years i do not send greetings or give gifts to anyone on any occasion, but only present a Sanskrit sacred book with the translation in English or the regional language..I buy books from publishers (mostly small scale) who specialise in the publication of our sacred books with the Sanskrit original. The translation is not always elegant or graceful, but will do for the occasion.

    One thing is sure. In India, we cannot depend upon any govt to support the cause. Even the BJP govt is no exception- they stopped the grants to the Madras Sanskrit Academy and the Kuppuswamy Sastri Research Institute. We will have to do it ourselves.

    Every Hindu home should possess a copy of our basic scriptures with the Sanskrit original. Standard editions should be brought out in standardised format. There are many good translations by independent scholars and these could be revised, updated, and printed with modernised fonts and formats. We do not have to invent the wheel all over again.

    It looks difficult, but we can do it- each one of us.

  • Kailash

    Thank you, Aditi Banerjee, for taking the time and writing the very first review of this ‘very important’ book: “The Battle for Sanskrit” by Rajiv Malhotra

    I urge everyone to buy this book, study it thoroughly, write and share your ideas and draw your action plan on how you would get involved in safeguarding your Sanskrirti and Civilization.

    Your Dharma is calling ! Are you able and willing to respond?

    श्रेयान्स्वधर्मो विगुण: परधर्मात्स्वनुष्ठितात् |
    स्वधर्मे निधनं श्रेय: परधर्मो भयावह: ||
    (श्रीमद् भगवद् गीता 3.35)

    Thank you again, Aditi Banerjee !

    • guest

      Kailashji, thanks for this– just tried to find the meaning and found this. So that those who do not know sanskrit can understand, even though I think the wise ones should refer back to the Gita

      One’s own Dharma is superior even if it be faulty in comparison to another’s code of Righteousness which may be easier to adopt. It is better to embrace death while observing one’s own code of Righteousness because danger lies in the acceptance of another’s Dharma

  • malavika

    The unsuspecting Hindus (consumers)are being fed a neo colonial interpretation of our own ithihasas, puranas and sanskriti. By the well oiled PR machine of Pollock shishyas using the institutional power of Coumbia, Harvard and so on.

    How ever, we the readers must discern and boycott books, plays, shows any thing promoted by Pollock and Co. So, do not buy to read or view any program by Devdutta Patnaik, Aatish Taseer, Pankaj Mishra, Ananya Bajpaye. Once these people are looked up as neo colonial sepoys by most Hindus these sepoys cannot cause much harm.

    • yogesh

      One more addition to the list: Wendy. You wont believe but her book- ‘The Hindu- Alternate History’ is still being sold in major brick and mortar stores in India. It is arranged in store as such that one will pick that book first if he/she wants to read about Hinduism in English language. Last time I heard it was suppose to be banned after that court case. But No, it is still conspicuously being sold in major retailer store(confirmed at Ahmadabad) and likely being consumed by gullible Indians who love to read their culture and religion through the foreign eyes.

      • Anfauglir

        That’s more proof that the orchestrated monotheist falsehood and drama concerning (the known crypto-christian) Wendy Doniger’s Hindu-baiting book being allegedly “banned” by Hindus was merely to boost its visibility thereby, so that they can try to sell it or at least get it read more in India. Without the manufactured and self-inflicted controversy by the monotheists, even the growing masses of Hindu baiters might not have know of it to read it despite their eagerness for such junk.

    • Samrat Bharat

      But.. but… but.. does that not violate the principle of Purva Paksha which requires building a deep familiarity with the opponent’s point of view before criticizing it? How will you do “khandana” when you don’t even know what you are “khandana-ing”?

      But then of course, those who ask for Satanic Verses to be banned also never read it. So that makes this also acceptable, since those kind of people are our modern role models.

      • prashants5 .

        Yes the wikipedia says as quoted by you, Purva Paksha is indeed getting deep familiarity with the opponent’s poin to view. But in order to learn those view you have to first learn “What is a western Lense”. It means learn their subject from their point of view first ( not from your own point of view) and compare with your own and defend yours because they never experienced or lived your entire 5000 years old civilization or culture.

        Don’t let them define who were your Forefathers and ancestors. First, you do that part for yourself before trying to carry Purvapaksha. What is the point of Purvapaksha when you are yourself is not ready for the battle without knowing or understanding properly your own point of view? First, make yourself eligible for Purvapaksha before carrying it out. One needs to be an Intellectual Kshatriya not Under-informed Kshatriya. An IK can only able to carry the Purvapaksha. So one must educate thoroughly himself about his own stuff…that will get rid of lots of “But…But…But…” and enlighten you better. It takes time and patience.

        • Samrat Bharat

          So we should first apply the Eastern Lens on the West so we can understand how the Western Lens is applied on the East? Deep man ! Given this is a ongoing “battle we cannot afford to lose”, can we afford to have the time and patience?

          But.. but.. but..That still does not explain why books need to be banned. They can stay there while we learn to be a Intellectual Kshatriya no?

          • guest

            I won’t engage much here due to time, but by banning books you mean satanic verses–please know that doniger book was not banned but the publisher pulled it out. learning to be an intellectual Kshatriya is a long process–and that is one of the most important places to focus on…but this needs to work on several levels. and we first need to learn our own and then both understand how we are being viewed, and simultaneously use our lens to reverse the gaze.

          • Samrat Bharat

            I was referring to the original comment above by “malavika” to boycott a list of books.

            And this complex process needs you to buy a set of books I assume? Nice scam to capture market share. Boycott competition, buy my books.

          • guest

            Cynic — A man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde.
            This should shed some light: http://www.speakingtree.in/blog/my-yajna-and-indology-576296

          • Samrat Bharat

            Gandhi and Martin Luther lived in the country they transformed. RM moving here sometime soon?

            All self written bios are by design one sided. See this one: http://www.irf.net/drzakirnaik.html

          • guest

            You know, that is a straw man defense. being outside is why he started what he started. he started by reading text books prescribed for his children—where he says india was being taught as ‘caste, cow and curry’ an utter simplification. he also led groups of american and indian students to come to india to understand more about India first hand. And do not compare him to Naik. Naik is not a researcher although he claims to be one. many, many errors have been cited in his explanation of things. http://www.speakingtree.in/blog/my-journey-businessman-to-philanthropist-to-scholar-to-victim-556443

          • Samrat Bharat

            Fair accusation. My disdain for NRIs probably crept in here. When our country was poor and struggling, they left it behind as corrupt, unclean and hopeless. Now that the whole world is interested in India, they want to start meddling with it.

            But that too is an unfair broad brushing of a whole class.

            The practical aspect of the question still stays. Does RM really think he can transform a diverse, complex country of 1.3Bn people in absentia with books, internet and random lit fest appearances? What citizenship does he carry currently?

            The link you added has no mention of Zakir Naik. What am I missing? I too would not call Naik a “researcher”, same reason I would not call RM that – he already has made up his mind what he wants to find when he begins his research.

          • guest

            first, read both the articles I sent. I am absolutely not interested in Naik. If you read the second article then you will know what I mean by RM as a researcher. He is much bigger than a researcher. I will not paint all NRIs in the same light. Most of them, if not all, have a love of Indian culture. As for leaving India, India’s corruption and nepotism, which still exists is hard to deal with for those who come from very middle class families. As RM states he arrived in the US with 50 dollars.

            RM is a researcher of the first kind. Better than many of those who call themselves researcher. No he has not made up his mind just like that. There is inductive and deductive research.

            His research started with doing an analysis of western academics and in particular western indologists. Any argument or debate on RM will require much work on your part. He is an institution in himself.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf5BOYF0S3Y

          • Samrat Bharat

            Actually, I used a wrong term. NRIndian assumes Indian citizenship, it sounds like he renounced his Indian citizenship for the US? So he is a PIO?

            Thanks for the video, will take a look.

          • guest

            Jaati na pucho sadhu ki,puch lijiye gyan
            mole karo talvar ka,pada renan do myan..

          • Samrat Bharat

            Just checking that he is not a Saudi funded CIA double agent sent in to first gain our trust that Dr Swamy keeps warning us about 😀

            But seriously, I get the “let’s live in US” part. Even Aamir Khan’s wife felt it. But how does RM explain why he renounced Indian citizenship?

          • guest

            “her body, her choice”.—‘his hard work–his dedication, whether in one place or another’

            Jaati na pucho sadhu ki,puch lijiye gyan
            mole karo talvar ka,pada renan do myan…

            If you understand the couplet, you will understand. you can look that up too.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Fair enough. As long as you agree “her body, her choice”.

            Just that I have not agreed RM is a sadhu or has any gyan.

            Lovely couplet though. But more only after I go through the video.

          • Anfauglir

            Guest,

            Click on Samrat Bharat’s handle. You’ll get to his disqus page where you can read all his comments over indiafacts pages he’s trolled and at other sites. His comments show him to be a clear Hindu-baiter and troll.

            Why are you trying to reason with a Hindu-baiting troll? Just shoo him away. (He moreover seems highly likely to be yet another cryptomonotheist.)

            You can’t deprogramme these people. They’re not sincere about learning: their purpose is to troll and derail the actual topic.

            Nationalist sites like this and swarajyamag are so into “freedom of speech” for cryptomonotheist trolls and far more overt evangelical zombies, that these monotheists are spamming everywhere and genuine commenters are left to contest the monotheist lies and dishonesty. It’s an utter waste of time and effort, but if you’re going to respond to the likes of regressive minded trolls like “Samrat Bharat”, just don’t reason with them (which is the mistake most nationalists make against trolls). They’ll merely use anything you say for further Hindu-baiting, the way Samrat Bharat had latched on to Malhotra’s usage of the term “Poorva Paksha”. In a similar manner, a paki at swarajyamag has latched on to swarajyamag’s “Read India Right” slogan. Any article concerning Rajiv Malhotra seems to always attract these monotheist trolls. At least some of them must have western handlers since those are often well-versed in the terminology and articles of Malhotra’s western opponents.

          • guest

            Thanks for this. I have been thinking the same but your comment makes much sense. He is quick to pick up terms and use them, but he does not understand them. It is waste of much time and as you say they are not here to learn.

            actually, I suspect this as well: ‘He moreover seems highly likely to be yet another crypto monotheist’

            Was being polite and I did not want to convert him but thought may be through a civil conversation we both learn. But it does not seem to be going in that direction.

            thanks for the note.

          • Anfauglir

            – Use your reason with the reasonable. (It’s where Poorva paksha also applies.)
            – Either boycott the incorrigible, who lie and bait by compulsion. Or bait them back or otherwise make their trolling not profitable for them.

            Far better would be for nationalist sites to simply purge trolls’ comments: that way they don’t burden commenters to continuously deal with all the trolls the sites are letting in. Half the problem of trolls is of nationalists’ own making: letting trolls be heard on their sites.

          • guest

            Yeah, this is something I need to learn: desh, kala, patra!!

          • Samrat Bharat

            **sniff** is this what you think of our conversation **sniff**

            Maine tumhe kya samajha aur tum kya nikale !

            Anyway, back to the real conversation.

          • guest

            Something for me to learn. Check out the meaning of phrase and you will know what I said. Do some of your own research–if you are interested in learning.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Which phrase? desh, kala, patra? Is that tied to Astrology? How does it relate to RM?

            OK to ask help when own research hits a wall. So still curious to know how can I read up original Ayurveda literature?

          • Anfauglir

            Guest,

            He’s not interested in learning (compare with that other crypto, Hindu-baiting troll “Narayan Rao” or something at indiafacts, the one whose trolling was spoofed by one “Narayan Mao”). “Samrat Bharat” does _not_ do any research. He finds someone willing to answer his questions, for the purpose of parasiting on the contents of the answers to use against Hindus the next time.
            There is absolutely nothing genuine or sincere about him.

            The less you tell him of the Hindu and/or nationalist side of things, the less (insider) information or terminology he has to use against these and deceive people. He does not research of his own, he knows nothing of his own: but he wants to know (not for sincere purposes) and he moreover wants others to do all the homework for him. He abuses and uses whatever he can of what he’s gleaned against them.

            Note also how he chooses to get his information on Hinduism from wikipedia: typical behaviour of outsiders. (Which Hindu heathen or other nationalist learns Hindu matters from wikipedia?)

            Tell him nothing (aka boycott him)–that is, tell him nothing of meaning, you can always repeat his idiotic nonsense back to him–and warn others off him. Please do not feed him with information, give nothing of value to him. Just give him nonsense, let Wikipedia forever be the source of “information” on Hinduism for him. Anything you say to him will be used against Hindu heathens. (For instance his innocent questions on “Ayurveda” are probably for dismissing it in future or for inculturating on it–pretending it is distinct and independent from Hindu religion, and that it can be used for his alleged “atheism”–despite Ayurveda being an upaveda of the Rigveda and which doesn’t concern any non-heathens.)

            Also, compare the use of “bovine” by this troll when he’s hurling abuse at someone (at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/hinduism_is_the_last_hope_for_world_peace/#comment-2454504470 ) with the sudden use of “bovine” also for abuse by his tentative clone at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/swarajyamag/afghan_envoy_on_ties_with_india_8216no_country_can_reverse_this_friendly_relationship8217/#comment-2474761084

            Also compare the other unique feature of how both these troll ids troll incessantly in the same manner: always needing to have the last word. The 2nd troll is an outed islamic (which initially also pretended for a long time to be an atheist of Hindu parentage and Hindu upbringing, quite comparable to “Samrat Bharat”).

            Another thing is that both troll ids assume everyone understands Urdu or Hindi (since I know neither I can’t tell the difference), and so he inserts Urdu statements as “retorts” everywhere.

            I noticed both troll ids had a particular interest in trolling about Rajiv Malhotra.

            The final point to compare is that both troll ids are active at the same times. (Probably if, as I suspect, it’s but a single troll behind both disqus ids, “Samrat Bharat” as he’s known here will learn from this faux-pas and in future accordingly adjust the timings for his trolling activity under his various ids).

          • guest

            Anfauglir
            Thanks. I have been a bit naïve here. I also interacted with NRao for a couple oftimes. In the beginning it was all polite and then you start to see the color.

            I knew if I wrote Desh, Kala, Patra, he was going to think it was a reference to astrology, since that is what comes up first from a google search. But in this case, even knowing the exact meaning of the words will not take you to understanding of why I said that in the context. (it was actually to a response to me by a wise person—for a poignant question, and I am still trying to embody its wisdom).

            Next clue about him was when he said that he considers RM neither a sadhu nor a gyani, well, that only means—1. He has not read the articles that I shared. 2. He does not know what Sadhu and Gyani
            means.

            Argument for the sake of argument is
            the most wasteful of activities. I would prefer to clean steps at a temple/gurudwara/school—at
            least it would be some use. Or else sit
            in silence.
            Thanks for bringing me back to wisdom.

          • Anfauglir

            “I have been a bit naïve here.”

            I think I wrote the book on that subject, so you’re fine in the comparison.

            “I knew if I wrote Desh, Kala, Patra, he was going to think it was a
            reference to astrology, since that is what comes up first from a google search.”

            Very well anticipated.

            “Argument for the sake of argument”

            Yet he’s not even arguing for the sake of arguing, which at least is merely a waste of time. He is beyond that: he’s spamming to devalue pages on nationalist sites, he’s baiting, and trying to glean information for further haranguing of Hindus. I.e. he (like some other cryptomonotheist trolls) want Hindus to arm him against Hindus.

          • guest

            ‘wants Hindus to arm him against Hindus.’
            So true, agreed. I have seen that else place and this was another example of it as well.’

          • Anfauglir

            “My disdain for NRIs probably crept in here. When our country was poor
            and struggling, they left it behind as corrupt, unclean and hopeless.
            Now that the whole world is interested in India, they want to start
            meddling with it.”

            Actually, it’s NRI christians that are the most treacherous. A disproportionate number of recently migrated NRIs in certain western countries are christians. Unlike NRI Hindus, NRI christians are treacherous: they work with Indian christian traitors to conspire with the US to damage India.

            The fact that you totally ignore NRI christians’ treachery yet abuse NRI Hindus who’ve factually been helping India for decades by sending remittances to their families and large donations for development and relief of all the nation, once again proves that you’re a cryptomonotheist. Christians only sent money to fund evangelical projects and for funding christian terrorist organisations in India like NLFT, while at the same time working on projects to thwart nationalist development charities and organisations in India.
            Christian pastors and their converts were also in the news for stealing crores worth of temple moorties from Hindu temples in India and selling them off to the west: to destroy Hinduism and at the same time draining wealth to Indian christians’ western masters.

            All the real treachery regarding India is concentrated in the monotheists and the (subconsciously christianising) people they’ve brainwashed.

            One more factoid about NRI christians:
            Like the other Asian converts to christianity settled in the west–the Filipinos and South Koreans, whose women in the US have a 60% outmarrying ratio with western men–very often NRI christian women also dump their own (admittedly undesirable) Indian christian men to marry western christian men (it’s what converts were groomed for). But you shouldn’t mind.

          • Anfauglir

            “Gandhi and Martin Luther lived in the country they transformed. RM moving here sometime soon?”

            More importantly: Gandhi and Martin Luther weren’t (complete, conscious) traitors to their populations. Any time you plan to cease being one? Didn’t think so. After all, Hindu-baiters being (crypto)monotheists are traitors by definition.

          • Samrat Bharat

            You did not even read the link “guest” pasted from the SpeakingTree 😀 :D. You silly baboon ! Go read it first, and then wipe off this bout of your mental diarrhea.

          • Anfauglir

            Now cryptochistian terrorist (that’s you: if you can call people baboon and all, I can call you something far nearer the mark to what you are):
            I didn’t respond to guest, I responded to a statement _you_ made.

            It’s known that reading-and-comprehension is kind of hard and all for you regressive monotheist brains, but don’t embarrass your monotheist kindred further okay?

          • Samrat Bharat

            😀 😀 Still no clue what article “guest” linked to and why.

          • Anfauglir

            I still never responded to “guest”, only to you. Still hard of understanding are you, crypto-monotheist troll?

          • Samrat Bharat

            My reply was to “guest” when you Baboon jumped in. So tell me what you understood from that article and why “guest” linked to it 😀 😀

          • Anfauglir

            “My reply was to ‘guest’ when you Baboon jumped in. ”

            I responded to a single statement you wrote which happened to be to guest–to whomever you wrote it didn’t matter, as it was a standalone statement by you that I was commenting on–and then you repeatedly commented to me. My responses have nothing to do with anything guest said to you, just what you said.

            And why would I have to read anything you want me to read anyway: You ask questions–playacting at sincerity–and won’t even read answers.

            And anyone can reply to anyone here. This isn’t a PM facility.
            Besides, you treacherous Hindu-baiting trolls keep invading sites that don’t concern you. Your kind should be the last to play at being interrupted.

          • Samrat Bharat

            So aiveyan aise hi random reply? At least now did you read guest’s link?

          • Anfauglir

            Have you at last stopped pretending I didn’t answer your question on poorva paksha?

            Guest’s links would concern any dialog he had with you. All that concerned me were your nonsense statements, all of which have long since been addressed in the comment https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

          • Samrat Bharat

            😀 :D. “guest” had pasted the link related to this article and conversation only. 😀 :D. But your baboon brain is too busy flinging poop to get simple things 😀 😀

          • Anfauglir

            Even guest, who was conducting an independent discussion with you, understood that my response to you was to a standalone comment you made,
            as seen in how guest agreed with the conclusion: that you are an incurable traitor, whereas at least Martin Luther _King_ wasn’t a traitor to the people he represented, and that Gandhi wasn’t completely and consciously one.

            *The German protestant reformer Martin Luther was a traitor: all christians are traitors to their ancestral heathenism.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Wow! You are dense. I have been insulting baboons. You still did not read the link guest added, which contains references to Gandhi and King.

          • Anfauglir

            Wow, you’re still talking.

            Meanwhile:
            For anyone who reads down here: Guest also concluded that “Samrat Bharat” is just another cryptomonotheist troll.

            Samrat Bharat’s question on purva paksha had already been answered in the comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

            Absolutely _all_ his questions are insincere and for trolling purposes.

          • Samrat Bharat

            He he he.. you have also become one of the “religion of the book” . Your prophet is Rajiv Malhotra, you need to pay to buy his books and he is a citizen of Amrika 😀 😀

            Same results: Blind, illogical belief and low IQ.

          • Anfauglir

            More proof of how your conclusions do not follow logically from anything.
            I’ve not read a single book by Malhotra and am not a particular fan either: he comes too late to conclusions that others had derived independently before him, and he does so only after he’d first _antagonised_ upon these very points, before he finally comes around to endorse them after all. But if he happens to say some right things eventually, and if people listen to any correct points he makes, then that works out for my own ends.

            Meanwhile:
            For anyone who reads down here: Guest also concluded that “Samrat Bharat” is just another cryptomonotheist troll.

            Samrat Bharat’s question on purva paksha had already been answered in the comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

            Absolutely _all_ his questions are insincere and for trolling purposes.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Even you don’t know what “cryptomonotheist” means 😀 😀

          • Anfauglir

            Don’t know about any others who may have independently derived the phrase, but I coined the phrase. So I _am_ the person who knows what it means, the way I use it.

            But then, your moronism was already transparent.

            Meanwhile:
            For anyone who reads down here: Guest also concluded that “Samrat Bharat” is just another cryptomonotheist troll.

            Samrat Bharat’s question on purva paksha had already been answered in the comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

            Absolutely _all_ his questions are insincere and for trolling purposes.

          • Samrat Bharat

            So still no meaning of “cryptomonotheist” – because you cooked it up and decide when and how to use it?

          • Anfauglir

            Still admitting to your incompetence? Should you really be talking? (No)

            Cryptomonotheism is a term coined for a real phenomenon. And guest–like all others that matter–have of their own abilities worked out what it means (because it’s rather straightforward, being conceptually related to other similar words). No one needs _you_ to understand. Yours is merely the class represented by the word, not the class that needs to understand it. You know, the way illiterate morons need not understand what “illiterate” and “moron” mean for these words to accurately define them. But that bit of logic is beyond you.

            Meanwhile:
            For anyone who reads down here: Guest also concluded that “Samrat Bharat” is just another cryptomonotheist troll.

            Samrat Bharat’s question on purva paksha had already been answered in the comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

            Absolutely _all_ his questions are insincere and for trolling purposes.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Make me stop 🙂

            You really don’t know the meaning of Cryptomonotheism do you? Quite clear from the way you are jumping from one branch to another you baboon!

          • guest

            ha, ha, that was a good one!! 🙂

          • Anfauglir

            Straw man. Malavika’s comment said “boycott”. The lie that any “banning” is involved or even considered has been inserted by the Hindu-baiting “Samrat Bharat”, who is given to compulsive lying. Case in point: his introduction of “ban” (as the first item in “ban/boycott” no less) as being part of what Malavika said. And then there’s the fact that Malavika said nothing in her comment about people needing to buy another set of books either. That was another insertion by the compulsively lying Hindu-baiting “Samrat Bharat”.

            That reminds me of another Hindu-baiter, one with the disqus handle “SeeTheMirror”, who was trolling at swarajyamag. He similarly repeatedly claimed to have Hindu parents (and to have been raised a Hindu) and to have become atheist himself. SeeTheMirror’s page on disqus moreover displayed a southern Hindu name, yet his comments were full of tell-tale Urdu vocabulary. In time, he blurted out a major monotheist inconsistency, and eventually had to admit his real and very islamic name (a Khan surname no less: not southern Hindu after all, predictably). So much for his pretences of having recent Hindu ancestry. And no one need take his claims to being “atheist” seriously either, as he refused to repeat after me some factual statements about allah, mohammed and jesus that would easily have proved his atheism.

            Thus another compulsively lying Hindu-baiter turned out to be cryptomonotheist. No surprises, of course. But then, all Hindu-baiters are monotheists–including of the communist kind–or crypto monotheists.

            “Samrat Bharat” being a Hindu-baiting troll is doubtless a cryptomonotheist too. The proof is in the baiting, a compulsive behaviour, not to mention his lying, like his straw men tactics. My inferential reasoning about him–not to mention the precedent so easily demonstrated with his twin SeeTheMirror–is far better substantiated than Samrat Bharat’s typical monotheist bad “reasoning” concerning why the exposé of Project Thessalonika by one Alex Pomero “must be false”. If “Samrat Bharat” wants his very monotheist aspersions regarding Project Thessanoika entertained as a possibility at all, then my inferences that his Hindu-baiting implies his cryptomonotheism–substantiated in countless cases, as it is–should certainly be regarded the rule. By Samrat Bharat’s own logic. (Though my predicate stands vindicated even outside it.)

          • Samrat Bharat

            So boycott allows understanding the other point of view as per Purva Paksha but ban does not? Where are the tracks exactly of your train of thoughts?

          • Anfauglir
          • VeVePe

            So the word “ban” is your own insertion into this discussion, right?

          • Samrat Bharat

            Purva Paksha differentiates between ban & boycott?

          • Anfauglir

            “Purva Paksha differentiates between ban & boycott?”

            I’ve repeatedly demonstrated that it’s YOU who can’t–or rather deliberately won’t–differentiate between ban and boycott. But Hindu-baiters are all (crypto)monotheists, which includes communists–which is an as yet unbroken rule–so there’s no wonder at your ongoing fraud.

          • Samrat Bharat

            I just bait idiots. Not my fault you are a Hindu.

          • Anfauglir

            You’ve shown yourself to be the idiot and a dissembler what’s more.
            Your compulsive lying (and cryptomonotheism) is not my fault, nor is my exposing of it.

            But as I answered your supposedly innocent question and refuted your monotheist lies (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714 ), I note you don’t repeat those particular ones any more. Now you’ve resorted to accusing others of idiocy. However I may compare to others, I am factually–and always shall be–cleverer than you. You’re not going to pretend otherwise, right? It’s transparent that you’re the idiot in a comparison between me and you. (But then, all Indian-origin cryptomonotheists are stupider; without exception, come to think of it.)

      • Anfauglir

        Now why did “Samrat Bharat” forget the more prominent example of christianity? Even the monotheist drama surrounding Satanic Verses is as nothing compared to the Vatican’s huge Forbidden Books list (Index of Forbidden Books, Index Librorum Prohibitorum). Of course, for several centuries before merely forbidding various books, the Vatican was further holding auto da fés for them and also tossing anyone who was caught holding on to their ideas into the fire too. But with the rise of more actually secular powers in Europe, the Vatican’s absolute powers in the region dwindled and thus they could no longer get books and people burned and had to resort to insisting the flock abide by the forbidden books list (with threats of hell-fire). It was but an enforced compromise. Several important writers and their works have of course been on this infamous list, like Johannes Kepler etc.

        The index was unofficially put into disuse in the mid 1960s, but may well be resurrected again as the Vatican has done with other matters like exorcism etc. The ex-Franciscan monk turned freethinker, Joseph McCabe, who’d coincidentally been on the forbidden books list for a long time (and who authored “Catholic Index of Forbidden Books” among many other revealing exposes of the true nature of christianity), did warn–from directly translating early 20th century or so Vatican documents from Latin into English–that the church ever seeks to return to its former power and that the moment it does, it will re-instate the inquisition in its full infamy (an intention the Vatican had literally stated in the aforementioned documents). Need there be any doubts that at such a time the catholic forbidden books index will be published more publicly too with auto da fés resulting where the christian injuction is not followed?

        The forbidden books list is privately still in force, especially in India. As is catholic, church-mandated activism to get media banned that does not toe the Vatican line. (It is not surprising to witness christian threats of arson in India regarding such matters, therefore.) So one wonders where Samrat Bharat’s sudden concerns about banning and free speech were when in 2006, India’s so-called Catholic “Secular” Forum even issued barely-veiled arson and violence threats in order to get the Indian film “Sacred Evil” banned (http://dnaindia.com/entertainment/report-catholic-groups-now-target-sacred-evil-1029609), after India’s christian taliban’s earlier lobbying about ‘Da Vinci Code’ and ‘Tickle My Funny Bone’. But the real taliban–the real source of unrest in India and the real threat to freedom of speech–have always been the monotheists.

        But it’s not just the catholic type of christians besides the muslims who are at it: other christian denominations are into it too, and not just those in India of course. The west has its fair share of christian taliban attempting to ban books and even succeeding. For example, http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/283482/book-banned-after-christian-complaint
        shows how, but a few months ago, an award-winning young adult “Book banned after Christian complaint”, Radio New Zealand, Kate Newton, 7 September 2015:
        “The author of an award-winning young adults book says he is appalled it has been banned after a complaint from a Christian lobby group.”

        Often the two monotheist cults collude to undermine the majority, pooling their numbers, as they do in India. For instance, about a year before the above event in atheist-majority New Zealand, Singapore’s monotheist “minority” (ever disproportionately powerful) had partially succeeded in pulping certain books in that non-monotheist nation. There, the twin taliban of the christians and muslims had joined their monotheist forces to lobby to have children books pulped that featured same-sex caregivers among penguins etc. The majority finally gathered in a peaceful protest that ended the “minority” monotheist grip over these books in the nation–though the christian and muslim taliban still tried their best to force their will on the rest–when “More than 20,000 people gathered in a peaceful rally on June 28 supporting gay rights despite a fierce online campaign against the event by conservative Muslims and Christians.” See “Singapore halts destruction of ‘pro-gay’ children’s books”, AFP News, Jul 18, 2014. (sg.news.yahoo.com/singapore-halts-destruction-pro-gay-childrens-books-070646083.html)

        Of course, it is not only in India where the monotheist taliban threaten violence and ultimately carry out terror attacks. In the US, around the time sleeper muslims in the US went on a mass-shooting rampage, there was a similar shooting spree in some abortion clinic by a deeply christian terrorist who murdered at least 3 people: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/12/01/3727084/yes-the-planned-parenthood-shooter-was-a-christian-terrorist/ . Like the “pro-peace” ISIS and AQ has lots of sympathizers among muslims worldwide because of the ideology of islam, several American christians celebrated this latest in a string of “pro-life” massacres committed by their kind too: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/11/christian-conservatives-celebrate-colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/ .

        In contrast to all the above,
        – no one here threatened to ban books of Hindu-baiting & _demonstrable_ lies (they’ve repeatedly been demonstrated to be lies by Hindu and Indian scholars). It is only Samrat Bharat’s false projection on to Hindus commenting here that they implied so.
        – and Hindus factually did not ban Wendy Doniger’s nonsense, since its publisher pulled and hence pulped the work of _own accord_ (a fact repeated by a Guest comment somewhere here, so Samrat Bharat need not next try to lie about that)

        Malavika’s recommendation is excellent: that Hindus and other sensible Indians who know about the psyops going and about the people and organisations who are mass-producing such psyops should exercise their taste by avoiding what are demonstrable lies cooked up by the monotheist psy-ops industry in the west and its native traitors in India. That is what her advice to boycott means. She’s very clearly not stopping regressive and poisonous minded persons like “Samrat Bharat” and other Hindu-baiters from pursuing their bad taste and their thirst for lies: by all means, such books as she discouraged are all that seem fit for the likes of “Samrat Bharat”.

        • Samrat Bharat

          Instead of sorting through your mental diarrhea, let me ask the original question again. Does Purva Paksha involve understanding the other point of view or not? And if it does, how can you understand if you conveniently only want to read only one point of view (of the one you were born into)?

          ANY ban or boycott stifles debate. So just because a mistake was made earlier or somewhere else, does not mean it should be allowed here and now.

          • Anfauglir

            No, no, we were talking about _your_ mental diarrhoea and compulsive lying in your crypto-monotheisticly projecting a boycott as a ban.

            “let me ask the original question again.”

            No, let’s ask the real question: why did you pretend you could slide in ban for boycott? In other words, why do you compulsively lie?

            “ANY ban or boycott stifles debate.”

            Again: Ban is not boycott. Don’t change the subject.

            Also, people already know the falsehoods by the psyops industry: people have exposed Doniger et al’s lies point by point (there are a large number of very long articles on this very subject; the refutation already happened, repeatedly). That’s exactly why people recommend boycott: because the compulsive liars who make up psyops are beneath all contempt, because even after being corrected they _still_ insist on propagating their lies. Which means they’re scheming rascals (like you). Doing Poorva paksha makes sense against proper, that is sincere, opponents–those who will accept corrections. Poorva paksha is of no purpose against the monotheist lies and psyops industry, which lie deliberately, compulsively and interminably, and whose aim is not to get at the truth but (to impose jesus via) social engineering, breaking nations and brainwashing people against their ancestral heathenism. People who knowingly evolve falsehoods and/or propagate them on purpose, such as yourself and the psyops industry, are incorrigible. Such entities and their lies merely need to be exposed (as has already been done repeatedly and no more is necessary): Poorva Paksha is not wanted in such cases.

            When a government is not in the grip of monotheism (note: fascism is a product of monotheism), there’s no need to ban Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”–though parts of Europe had done so for a long time–nor the countless christian tracts of anti-Semitic libel like “Protocols of Elders of Zion” and Martin Luther’s “The Jews and their Lies” etc either: it suffices to expose the monotheist falsehoods contained therein to sane people to let them know why such tasteless monotheist psyops should be avoided (boycotted), as well as why people who slyly propagate the libel/psyops/propaganda literature as “equal possibilities” let alone as “true” should be deemed schemers. There’s no point for Jews or Gypsies to go about refuting each and every christian lie against them: christians are compulsive liars (like you).

            But by your nonsense argument, Jews would likewise need to “debate” (and repeatedly) centuries of Church Propaganda–note that the church _invented_ propaganda–and the subsequent nazi kind against them too. Why? When christians merely invent new lies against Jews every day (e.g. http://archive.adl.org/presrele/asint_13/4135_13.html ) especially since christians can’t genocide Jews outright anymore.
            So refuting christianity and islam’s endless streams of lies–against Jews, Gypsies, Hindus, first Hutus then Tutsis etc, etc–is a waste of time.

            Therefore, it is far better that Hindu heathens educate other Hindu heathens–as has already been done for years now–on why the psyops nonsense is false with sufficient examples, exposing the dishonesty of the monotheist psyops industry to the Hindu heathens, and thereby prevent christianity’s genocidal brainwashing scheme. And heathens having revealed the falsehoods in several instances of psyops–as I said, long works exist exposing lie after lie by Doniger and the likes–the mass-produced psyops literature can be avoided (hence boycotted) by all Hindu heathens hereafter. There’s no need to spend an eternity refuting compulsive liars whose real purpose is genocidal scheming via brainwashing, such as christianity carefully effected over a long period among Hutus and Tutsis, see “Christian Churches and Genocide in Rwanda” at http://faculty.vassar.edu/tilongma/Church&Genocide.html .

            Malavika’s advice was for people who valued truth, foremost Hindus. Why are you so jealous? You’re a Hindu-baiter. No one here is stopping the likes of _you_ from imbibing junk: there’s no ban, contrary to your lying. And, after all, you’re just the audience best suited for psyops: since actual facts, and a higher class of literature (let alone a proper understanding of heathenism) is not meant for your poisonous kind. Poisons suit poisonous Hindu-baiters (crypto-monotheists).

            But I notice you didn’t know how fast to beat about the bush when I demonstrated with several documented examples from recent news that christian (and islamic) book banning, burning and other violence to restrict freedom of speech and liberty are a worldwide phenomenon and are an innate aspect of the missionary monotheisms, whenever and wherever they can’t (yet) use outright physical violence to genocide their target populations.

            But (crypto)monotheists always resort to changing the subject or other such desperate tactics when their religion is shown to be culpable of the very crimes they want to falsely pin on others. (Rather like your resorting to labelling the documented cases of christian book banning, violence and terrorism as “mental diarrhoea”, when they were all so on topic. How desperate were you.)

          • Samrat Bharat

            OK, I withdraw the word “ban”. It was a mistake. I apologize, quit all my official positions and return all my awards.

            Now, stop flinging poop you baboon and answer the question:
            Does Purva Paksha involve understanding the other point of view or not? How can you understand another point of view if you boycott everything that does not fit into you own view?

          • Anfauglir

            ‘OK, I withdraw the word “ban”. It was a mistake. I apologize, quit all my official positions and return all my awards.’

            No no, you’re confused: you must commit seppuku.

            “Does Purva Paksha involve understanding the other point of view or not?”

            I’ve already answered your question, you cryptomonotheist fraud. (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714 ) Since you dishonestly ask it again anyway–obviously you didn’t want an answer (or can’t read, take your pick)–it is but more proof of your (crypto)monotheism.

            Now, don’t forget to commit seppuku, liar.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Still no answer?

          • Anfauglir

            The answer’s in https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

            Still cryptomonotheisticly pretending you didn’t get an answer?

          • Samrat Bharat

            That’s no answer. Just a meaningless rant. What is the answer your baboon?

          • Anfauglir

            Stop with your compulsive lying, you cryptomonotheist fraud: the answer is in that comment (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714 ). Scroll down to mentions of “poorva paksha”.

          • Samrat Bharat

            No there is no reply. What is it, if there was one?

          • Anfauglir

            To anyone else who reads down here: Samrat Bharat is a Hindu-baiting cryptomonotheist troll whose (insincere) question had indeed been answered in the comment https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714 (the bits mentioning poorva pakSha contain the full response and example cases follow thereafter).

          • Samrat Bharat

            OK. I doubt if many would read all the way down here (given 2 second short attention spans fundies have), but enough idiot baiting, I have had my fun.

            So you will leave out of Purva Paksha anyone who believes in a different philosophy and will not read books with another point of view? So Purva Paksha to you is an echo chambers where you and your other baboon friends enjoy listening to things you already believe in?

          • Anfauglir

            For anyone who reads down here: Guest also concluded that “Samrat Bharat” is just another cryptomonotheist troll.

            Samrat Bharat’s question on purva paksha had already been answered in the comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714
            Clearly “Samrat Bharat”–who is probably a cryptochristian–(pretends he) didn’t read the comment, which is why he is disingenuously bringing up his nonsensical christian logic that “So you will leave out of Purva Paksha anyone who believes in a different philosophy and will not read books with another point of view?”

            “I doubt if many would read all the way down here (given 2 second short attention spans fundies have),”

            Which is certainly confirmed of the very person–the cryptomonotheist “Samrat Bharat”–who repeatedly refused to read the comment that answered his question, resorting to dismissing it as “mental diarrhoea” instead all because (crypto)christians don’t like to read through paragraphs containing uncomfortable facts on christianity which “Samrat Bharat” had first desperately tried to accuse Hindus and other nationalists of instead.

            As for the description of “fundies” having a 2 second attention span, that part is indeed and practically exclusively true for cryptomonotheists, who are all fundies (fundy is short for “fundamentalist evangelical christian”, a christian denomination), like “Samrat Bharat”.

            It’s true that no one is likely to read down here, but that would be because the cryptomonotheist troll “Samrat Bharat” deliberately trolled and spammed the comments section this much with the express intention of de-valuing it with his spam. It’s why he keeps disingenuously asking the same questions repeatedly, pretending they weren’t already answered: just to take up more space in the comments section. Which is once again more proof that “Samrat Bharat” is a cryptomonotheist troll, repeat: a MONOTHEIST, who’s only purpose here–like that of (crypto)muslim troll ids “SeeTheMirror” and “New Paaliaq” on another nationalist site–is Hindu-baiting to derail the site concerned.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Er.. तमाम बायनत और गवाहों को मद्दे नज़र रखते हुए ये अदालत .. Oh wait. No one here.

            What exactly does “cryptomonotheist” mean (simple 1 line definition, not a long senseless rant)? Would be fun to use it on the next idiot I troll.

            Time to follow “SeeTheMirror” and “New Paaliaq” so I can check if I can have fun with friends. See ya soon.

          • Anfauglir

            For anyone who reads down here: Guest also concluded that “Samrat Bharat” is just another cryptomonotheist troll.

            Samrat Bharat’s question on purva paksha had already been answered in the comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

            Absolutely _all_ his questions are insincere and for trolling purposes.

          • Samrat Bharat

            So what was the answer to this?

            So you will leave out of Purva Paksha anyone who believes in a different
            philosophy and will not read books with another point of view? So
            Purva Paksha to you is an echo chambers where you and your other baboon
            friends enjoy listening to things you already believe in?

          • Samrat Bharat

            And.. What exactly does “cryptomonotheist” mean (simple 1 line definition, not a long senseless rant)?

          • Anfauglir

            For anyone who reads down here: Guest also concluded that “Samrat Bharat” is just another cryptomonotheist troll.

            Samrat Bharat’s question on purva paksha had already been answered in the comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

            Absolutely _all_ his questions are insincere and for trolling purposes.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Poor guest 😀 😀 Who died and made him the certifying authority of cryptomonotheism (whatever that means)?

          • Anfauglir

            Poor you. Unlike you, Guest clearly has the sense to work out what cryptomonotheism means–as is very evident from his response concerning it–which is exactly why he agreed.

            Like guest, everyone else that matters can likewise work out what it means. Only you can’t (because you’re intellectually stunted, as repeatedly demonstrated.) But no need to hurt yourself trying to understand it: you’ve amply shown you’re not fit for any understanding, after all. You should stick to trolling and Hindu-baiting, the highest accomplishments you can ever hope to achieve.

            Meanwhile:
            For anyone who reads down here: Guest also concluded that “Samrat Bharat” is just another cryptomonotheist troll.

            Samrat Bharat’s question on purva paksha had already been answered in the comment at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714

            Absolutely _all_ his questions are insincere and for trolling purposes.

          • Samrat Bharat

            Stop whimpering for help. Guest has left the conversation. No one here coming to your rescue. Now let’s see if you have any intelligence at all :).

          • Samrat Bharat

            I completely khandanm sepukku as a Western influence (world is round, so I can reach Japan if I go far enough west). Just cross linking back to your meaningless rants is not an answer you baboon.

          • Anfauglir

            “Just cross linking back to your meaningless rants”

            Already answered your question on how 1. boycotting monotheist psyops and 2. poorva paksha can coexist in that very comment (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/indiafacts/the_battle_for_sanskrit_a_battle_we_cannot_afford_to_lose/#comment-2473365714 ). Now, since you have repeatedly proven that you were not looking for an answer, but were just trolling and pretending to ask a question, your continued dishonesty reveals you to be a crypto-monotheist.

            “I completely khandanm sepukku as a Western influence (world is round, so I can reach Japan if I go far enough west)”

            Whatever your moronic christian logic, you should still commit seppuku all the same.

    • Anfauglir

      Excellent solution.
      As you just did: those who are aware of the issues can warn native acquaintances about the psyops industry and the names of those involved, immunising more persons therewith; and then the circle of awareness and immunity will widen. Implemented properly and in timely fashion, this attempted wave of subversion could be rendered fruitless.

      Such a project of immunising one’s own circle is something everyday persons can undertake, since we’re often wondering what we can do upon acquiring knowledge of the inimical forces arrayed against our kind.

      The fact that the Hindu-baiter “Samrat Bharat” is throwing desperate tantrums and inventing straw man arguments against your comment (so very crypto of him), shows that he’s afraid of the recognisable potential power of your suggestion. Readers should therefore realise his fears.

      • Manish Dubey

        Dear friend anfauglir..you have comprehensively dismantled the original agenda of hindu baiter who disguises as samrat hindu…why try to undrstnd sthng dat is crystal clear..we undrstnd the tactics and instruments employed by mr pollock and his ilk very well..rather than wasting time over analysing them and in the due course indirectly strengthening them by reading the shit they write and
        watching their plays n documentaries dat will b nthng but distortion of facts to undermine n denigrate hindus it is high time that hindus started gathering economic physical and spiritual powers to annihilate these hindu and humanity haters forever…… friend anfauglir..you have comprehensively dismantled the original agenda of hindu baiter who disguises as samrat hindu…why try to undrstnd sthng dat is crystal clear..we undrstnd the tactics and instruments employed by mr pollock and his ilk very well..rather than wasting time over analysing them and in the due course indirectly strengthening them by reading the shit they write and watching their plays n documentaries dat will b nthng but distortion of facts to undermine n denigrate hindus it is high time that hindus started gathering economic physical and spiritual powers to annihilate these hindu and humanity haters forever……

        • Anfauglir

          Pollock etc are different from 3rd world cryptomonotheists like “Samrat Bharat”, who are mere footsoldiers designed to trash Hindu nationalist sites and obscure the actual Hindu narrative emerging.

          Pollock and the like represent a threat at a different level.

          Consider, if we were a population only used to warfare with sticks and stones, and we don’t see what our enemies have been developing in the meantime (say guns or nuclear warfare), then we can’t win and we’ll be decimated when they finally employ their weapons against us.

          We therefore need to know what they plan to use against us, why it is harmful, how it is intended to work/how they plan to get us with it, etc. Then we can think of how to avoid their trap.

          It’s true we don’t all need to analyse the enemies’ methods in detail. But someone on our side has to do this work (say Rajeev Malhotra and his team in the case of Pollock and ilk) and they can then convey just the information that the rest of Hindus need to know, in order for us to understand the weaponry and strategies the enemies plan to deploy against us.

          Knowing that,

          – we can then all see the enemies are enemies indeed: that Pollocks and Clooneys, despite their sinister smiles and attempts to insinuate themselves in Hindu company are merely in it to learn more in order to better destroy us.
          – we can see that their methods are not benign but meant to destroy us,
          – we can see why and how their methods can destroy us
          – we can then think of ways to prevent their weaponry for destroying us
          – we can think of ways to either turn their weapons on them — or come up with weapons of our own — to destroy them

  • Dharma Youdha

    I agree with every single word..
    I urge all Hindus to start learning Sanskrit .. Decide to spend at least one hour a day for it.
    Now everyone can’t participate on the streets for the Hindutva moment.. But by spending only one hour daily everyone can give the greatest contribution

    • King Pawn

      FYI : This is not Hindutva moment.We dont believe in Akhand Bharat type agenda.

      • ccc

        maybe you don’t but I do. speak for yourself, use “I” not “We”. underinformed & overopinionated people are in majority in this world but that doesn’t mean others have to accept their diktat.

        • Pen

          Probably he confuse anout hindutva as state. Our hindutva is about hindutva nation.

      • Shreevalsan

        If this is not a Hindutva movement, what else is it? Who is this ‘we’ you are referring to? And what is wrong with Akhand Bharat ‘agenda’? Remember, agenda is the favourite word of traitorous commies and media.

      • Jitendra Desai

        But “we” do believe that land mass from Iran, Afghanistan,Pakistan,Tibet, Bangladesh,Myanmar, and Sri Lanka in south is culturally AKHAND.