Vedanta sees clash of Values,not Civilizations
‘Vedanta sees no conflict between material needs and spiritualitybut a balance between the two. What it sees is a clash of values rather than a clash of civilizations. This can be useful for understanding the turbulent world today’-N.S. Rajaram.
A striking feature of European and now American society is the conflict between new knowledge and old beliefs. This is often the case when scientific advances are seen to threaten long held beliefs. Galileo’s persecution by the Church and the hostility toDarwin’s Theory of Evolution are only two examples. That this is not just a thing of the past is clear from the fact that there are fundamentalist groups in the U.S. that want to stop the teaching of evolution in school. Several states have passed laws requiring the so-called ‘Creation Science’ based on the Bible to be taught along withDarwin’s theory.
Rational and spiritual thought
Such a conflict between the rational and the spiritual (or belief) never arose in India, except as part of debate. This is because Hinduism and its offshoots like Buddhism are not based on dogmas but exploration of the mind and spirit. “Accept nothing on my authority,” said the Buddha. “Think, and be a lamp unto yourself.” The Gayatri mantra, the greatest of all Vedic prayers says: dhiyoyo nah pracodayat, meaning “inspire our intellect.”
There is no appeal to blind faith in any of this. In fact it is a rejection of blind faith. Further, the Vedas are apaurusheya, meaning they do not rest on the authority of any human like a prophet. In fact the great Vedantic thinker Acharya Madhva (1238 – 1317) cautioned: “Never accept any human as authority. Humans are subject to error and deception. One deludes oneself in believing that such a human— free of error and deception ever existed and he alone was the author.”
In fact Madhva’s skepticism went so far as to question the authenticity of many passages in the Mahabharata. He went on to compose a celebrated work known as Mahabharata TatparyaNirnayadedicated to setting guidelines for distinguishing between authentic passages and interpolated passages. It was only in the 19th century, 500 years later that Indian and Western scholars came up with the same idea.
Shankara also in his commentary on the Brahmasutras cautioned against taking any scripture (Shastra) as infallible. He noted that they are human creations based on knowledge and experience (gnana and karma), that should not be taken as the word of God. In other words it is human creation or paurusheya.
This principle of truth independent of human authority is what is followed in science. If we honorNewtonand Einstein as great scientific sages because of their discoveries and not the other way. It is the same with great spiritual figures likeKrishna.Krishnais seen as great because his teachings are great. At the same time, a Hindu is free to reject or modify any teachings if new knowledge comes to light.
This means, as in science, India’s tradition, including its spiritual tradition attaches the greatest importance to critical thinking. That is the meaning of the Gayatri mantra.
Further, where natural science looks at the material world, the scope of Vedanta includes the human and the spiritual worlds—or Man’s place in the Cosmos. (No gender intended in the word ‘Man’). Because of this open approach we can study human conflicts that are beyond the reach of science and also Western humanities, most of which derive from Christian theology. I can illustrate this by contrasting Western and Vedantic approaches to human conflicts, like the one the world is faced with today.
Clash of values: Daivic and the Asuric
Samuel Huntington in his influential thesis of Clash of Civilizations envisions a world in which future conflicts occur between civilizations. His analysis is geopolitical and does not take into account human tendencies or gunas.
Vedanta, however, sees the world differently.Different ages are dominated by different gunas— sattva, rajas and tamas. All humans are a combination of these gunasand this in turn creates Daivic (divine) and Asuric (demonic) personalities.
In the Hindu cosmic theory, since the beginning of the present historical cycle, the world has seen ages or yugas, dominated by these, with sattva declining from Krita Yuga to Kali Yuga.According to this theory, we are now poised at the end of a yuga cycle, passing through a yuga sandhi as we enter a new cycle of yugas. The idea was later borrowed by Arnold Toynbee.
A Yuga Sandhi is a time of turbulence. It is a period of transition that brings out a conflict between light and darkness: between enlightenment and ignorance, between spirituality and materialism. Of course no one can live without basic material comforts; the problem arises when the desire for material needs overwhelms people and leads to the despoliation of the world around us. What is needed is balance. When the balance is upset we land in a different yuga. For that we need to go through a Yuga Sandhi. This is what seems to happening in the world today.
Seen from this Vedantic perspective, what we are seeing around us is no clash of civilizations, but a clash of values or dharmas. This is an age-old conflict, between the material and the spiritual. Most evil in the world is due to an excessive desire for the material. This tendency is called Asuric by the ancients. The spiritual or the trait that seeks harmony is called Daivic. We may call Daivic as divine and the Asuric as demonic. Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita describes the Asuric traits as follows:
“The Asuric (demonic) traits are ignorance, deceitfulness, excessive pride, ego, harshness, and rough speech. Such people know not when to act and when to desist from action. They believe in nothing, have neither truth nor purity. They live only by desire. Driven by desire and unsupported by beliefs these souls without enlightenment, with their terrible acts can destroy the world. With their insatiable greed, drunk with vanity and ego and sunk in ignorance they hold on to doctrines of falsehood bringing misery to life.
“Immersed in endless worries that only death can end, they know nothing beyond self-indulgence without limit. They think only of accumulating wealth through wrongful means. In the folly of their ignorance they think: ‘I got this today, I have that more to get. I have so much now but I’ll get more. I have killed that enemy, but I have more to kill. I am the lord of all I survey. I am fruitful, strong and happy. I am rich and grand. I have no equal.’ ”
It is not hard to see that the world today is in thrall to Asuric forces, but it was not always so. There were ages when Daivic tendencies ruled the planet.Krishnadescribes Daivic as:
“Fearlessness, purity, courage in seeking knowledge, generosity, restraint, learning, uprightness, gentleness, honesty, loyalty, compassion for the living, humility, fortitude and absence of excess pride— these are the virtues of the Daivic. The Daivic leads to freedom and the Asuric to bondage.”
The three gunas
The Vedantic view is that there are three fundamental tendencies (or gunas) that control nature (like daivicand asuric) and therefore the history of any era. These are: sattva(light or purity), rajas (power or aggression) and tamas(darkness or ignorance). Any combination of these determines the history of an epoch. Particularly dangerous is the combination of tamas and rajas— aggression driven by ignorance. This is what we call fanaticism.
Tamas sees sattva or light of knowledge as the enemy. Its goal is to destroy sattva and plunge the world into a Dark Age. This has happened many times in history. This is what forces of fanaticism are trying to do to the world today. The rule of Taliban inAfghanistan was an example of bringing darkness by a combination of rajas and tamas— force and ignorance. So was Nazism. Defeating Hitler was not enough; the tamasic root of Nazism had to be eradicated. It is the same with any fanaticism. It is a negative spirit that needs to be eradicated from the mind and soul of people.
This is the great enemy of civilization. This is also what ancient sages like Krishnawarned against. The lesson is that tamas cannot always be conquered by sattva alone. This means force or rajas must be employed, but employed judiciously. The ignorance of a child can be cured by education, but not the willful ignorance of a hardened fanatic. It can only be eradicated through force. It is a great error to believe that fanatics bent on plunging the world in darkness will respond to a gentle message. Deluded people sometimes project passive resistance as sattva or ‘spiritual force’. But any kind of passivity is only tamas.
Sri Aurobindo, one of modern India’s greatest yogis said:
“The sword of the warrior is as necessary to the fulfillment of justice as the holiness of the saint. To maintain justice and to prevent the strong from despoiling, and the weak from being oppressed is the function for which the Kshatriya was created. Therefore, says Krishna in the Mahabharata, God created battle and armor, the sword, the bow and the dagger.”
In symbolic terms it means that leaders who combine force of personality with wisdom are needed in times of crisis. Abraham Lincoln was one such leader, as was Sardar Patel. There was steel in them, but also wisdom and compassion.
In summary, ancient Indian sages likeKrishna and Vyasa saw evil in the world as being due to the rise of Asuric tendencies driven by a combination of tamas and rajas. The way to rid the world of evil is to fight it with Daivic forces made up of a combination of sattva and rajas.
Indian records give several examples. Beginning with a pure sattva period known as Krita Yuga, we have come to the end of Kali Yuga, the age of evil of a special kind called theocracy, where tamas is presented as spirituality. It binds people rather than releasing them. Five thousand years ago, at the end ofDwapara Yuga,India faced a similar threat that exploded into the Kali Yuga. At that juncture, at the Dwapara-Kali Yuga-sandhi,Krishna warned the world of its dangers and told his followers what needed to be done: evil must be fought and destroyed.
Conclusion: Vedanta and rational thought
By allowing materialism to run rampant we may now have reached the end of our journey, but a question remains: how relevant is Krishna’s 5000-year old message today as we enter another yuga-sandhi? My own view, derived from the Gita, Sri Aurobindo, the Upanishads and the Mahabharata is that the Vedantic approach, which was the worldview thousands of years ago, is still relevant. Whatever the merits of prophets and their prophecies, the Vedantic wisdom is eternal. Prophets and sages are human and hence, as Madhva says, subject to error and deceit.
Yugas
We no longer live in the Vedantic milieu of Krishna and his contemporaries—an age in which Vedanta offered a rational way of looking at the world. To them Vedanta was a description of reality, part of their everyday thinking, much as science is to us today. Vedanta shaped their worldview just as science has shaped ours. This allowed them to combine human affairs and spiritual vision into a true synthesis. We have lost this vision. It is the source of much of our problem. We adopt purely material approaches to what are really problems of the spirit.
This is illustrated by looking at great ancient figures like Krishna. He was a great teacher and a great warrior in a just cause. We now have great warriors, full of rajas, but the world needs to recognize what it is really fighting— tamas. The message of the Gita is Vedanta and Krishna is the sage who embodies Vedic (and Vedantic) wisdom at all levels. Our goal should be not merely worshipping him as an icon but following his teachings to spiritual and intellectual freedom and apply it in action. Wrongly applied devotion results in tamasicblindness andinner slavery. This is what we call fanaticism, which has made much of the world vulnerable to outer slavery.
The Teacher is to be emulated, not blindly worshipped. Ultimately, the enemy is tamas. A teacher can only be a guide, but the effort has to come from within every one of us. This is what the great Brihadaranyaka Upanishad means when it says: tamaso ma jyotirgamaya— “Lead us from darkness to light.”
We no longer live in a Vedantic milieu. Most of us calling ourselves ‘rational’ do not see the world in Daivic and Asuric terms. With that we have lost the rational basis for spirituality that our ancestors possessed. We react to crises in a piecemeal, ad-hoc spirit. Vyasa and Krishna knew the causes and where they would lead: the combination of tamas and rajas would try to overwhelm the world and plunge it into a Dark Age. And they told us also how to fight it— with a combination of sattva and rajas, or righteous force.
This is what we are seeing today in our struggle against terror— a combination of rajas and tamas ranged against civilization. It is no clash of civilizations but a clash of values or dharmas— the Daivic and the Asuric. For civilization to survive, the Daivic forces—sattva and rajas— must combine to defeat the Asuric combination of tamas and rajas.
None of this is to suggest that Vedanta is infallible or beyond question and debate. It is a human creation and as Madhva cautions us, nothing human can be accepted as the ultimate knowledge. It is a guide that gives a different way of looking at the world from Huntington’s. Both should be seen as open to question and debate. What we need is understanding not blind obedience.
This Vedantic idea of Yuga cycles dominated by different values is one of India’s most significant contribution. It was borrowed by the famous historian Arnold Toynbee though he did not go into its spiritual-metaphysical analysis based on gunas.
Acknowledgement: I am grateful to General Ved Prakash Malik, former Chief of the Indian Army for suggesting thatHuntington’s approach was limited and an alternative vision based on values held better promise.






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Here is my response to all the comments to the article on “Holding Your Breath In India” in the NYT:
United States has consumed quite a bit of the global resources, including trees and oil. Yet it now sanctimoniously preaches to other countries while they try to gain some confidence, independence and resources. Pollution is a problem in Indian cities like Delhi, I do not deny that, but why does the author not do something? He only thinks about his children and his welfare and his embassy parties. What has he done for the millions of Indian kids who are facing this problem? Criticizing the govt. is easy and cheap. And Modi, like Obama, has inherited lot of crap from the previous government, and has to deal with people who attack him just to drag his govt. down. And we know who is funding Kejriwal (the author mentions him)…the know-nothing who sits around all day pontificating to Modi and his cabinet while doing little
Many greedy selfish Americans, including some Indian Americans and Indian immigrants, are also part of the problem…dumping American junk food and bad cars into India, like the American tobacco companies that once dumped nicotine products into third world nations, like India, when it was losing profits in the US in the 60s, 70s and the 80s. These same people take the best of India: yoga, vegetarianism, health food, organic food, natural elements of India etc. while giving the country, its history, culture and its people little credit.
Hopefully Indians will give up their colonized minds when reviewing these articles, and Americans will stop acting like old colonial Brits.
Read the article in the New York Times, “Holding Your Breath in India” about the deplorable unsanitary conditions, filth and pollution that are literally killing, disabling and sickening thousands of Indian children every day in its cities (like Delhi, Bangaluru…). And the comments are from people who have left in droves from Delhi back to the US, My sister is leaving Delhi, and probably returning to Germany where she has a home.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/opinion/sunday/holding-your-breath-in-india.html
I warned Indians more than two years ago that the new out migration of Indians will be on three fronts:
1) Middle class and upper class Indians leaving the country for “environmental reasons or health reasons”. This includes many parents of NRIs, or aging NRIs, who once lived in India or returned to India. Now they are all putting up their flats for rent, or selling them, and returning to the US, or joining their families in the US. Chennai’s real estate is tanking. There are now over 100,000 flats for rent or sales in Chennai and its suburbs.
2) Middle class and upper class parents leaving for better education of their young and older teens, mostly due to declining standards of education in India (even at the level of private schools, and at the college level). This also includes increasing social problems in schools and colleges. Once only high school graduates, or those aspiring for Masters or Ph.Ds, left India. Now parents want to send their kids abroad for high school or Bachelor’s degree itself. As other countries open up their colleges and universities to foreign students…Indians are now sending their kids abroad sooner, or they themselves are migrating out.
3) Patriarchy that turns smart independent ambitious women away from India (due to attitudes of men that is very sexist, annoying, hurtful, insulting, humiliating, controlling and cruel). I came to India with hope and determination…but this country’s sexism, even on these websites, has disgusted me so much I am ready to leave, and will not return. I shall also be giving up my Indian passport if something does not change dramatically.
These issues are serious people. You are, in another fifty years, going to become an economically a desperate country with Pakistan like conditions (where rivers and lakes have dried up, and religious extremism has taken over).
Read the comments to this article on the NYT….it is coming from Indians who are leaving in hordes, and are discouraging people, including other Indians, from coming to India even for a short vacation.
Being provincial and smug about this does not help.
I hope you have already left India or are in the process of doing so. Either ways, you need not worry about the rest of Indian. I am happy they you have secured a better life for yourself and you can let rest of the Indians find a way for themselves. I appreciate your concerns but please keep your concerns limited to you and your family
Let me tell you something. When my ex and I would return to the US from Canada after three days or a week the border security guard would say to my ex, who is an American, “Welcome back!” ; “Good to have you back”, “Nice to see you back” ; “Welcome home!” and “Thanks for coming back!”. Only an Indian would say to another Indian, “Why are you here?” ; “What is your reason?” ; “You must be a loser” or “You must be here to cook for your parents, or find spiritual salvation”. The self hatred of Indians, and their hatred of other Indians, is very high. And look at your photo: of a cowboy on a horse and with a name “The Chosen One”. So…you are now a Jewish running India? The chosen one?
There are more colonized men, below the age of 40, in India than anywhere else. And I think many of them prefer to kill themselves or others like them.
The invaders, colonialists and neo colonialists have already won.
Your ungratefulness and lack of contribution towards India and your loyalty to the white christian west reflect well in how you are treated in India and the west. Your pretense of being a neutral consumer comparing two products/societies is dishonest and fraudulent. To cover up for it you can try all sorts of pervert reasoning but that won’t change anything.
Men like you actually are horrible in the international diplomacy front. That is why you will isolate India and slowly demean it, degrade it and deteriorate it.
Who the heck are you to make judgment on people you have never met, you do not know beyond a few comments…much of which you misinterpret for your own agenda? Stop following me around and stop trying to make up stories so you can literally kill and ruin your own women.. Your extremism is hurting your own country’s women. In fact I helped India a lot as an unofficial ambassador of India. With ingrates like you who needs enemies?
It is obvious you work for some extremist group in the Middle East.
How do you know? What data do you have to say all this?
As for my judgment it is directly from what YOU wrote. I am not following you, YOU are the one trolling and spoiling a nice forum. That I call you disloyal to my nation and dharma is a direct deduction from what YOU write. That I call you loyal to white christian west is a direct deduction from what YOU write. You being an apologist of the barbaric genocider west attribute all the lack of humanity to Hindus, that is more than enough evidence for all that I said and more.
Now for whatever lies and filth you threw here on me, what evidence do you have, you dishonest abusive liar?
1. How do you know my stand is “extremist”?
2. What exactly do you know about extreme and moderate, do you even know they are categories created by white christian west to subvert native nationalist opposition to colonizers you ignoramus?
3. So the rest of nonsense, that an imaginary “extremism” is “hurting my own country’s women” is another white christian propaganda that you are vomiting here – whose own record is a destruction of entire feminine principle, not merely disadvantaging ALL soft aspects of civilization including women, children, learned men.
I have ignored your other lies, cluelessness and filth for now, hoping you have got enough exposure of your wisdom by now.
And what exactly has been your contribution moron? You sit in India, consume and consume, with nothing to offer except for rants against your own women like a frustrated rapist with no other agenda than turning your women into perpetual cooks for your third rate body and mind. If men like you made great contribution then why would this be a third world country? You make it so…and then blame it constantly on others. Why don’t you take responsibility for a change. You want others to give devotedly and you cannot even open your mouth without insulting and abusing. Men like you drove this country into colonialism and your will do it again and again.
> A striking feature of European and now American society is the conflict between new knowledge and old beliefs.
The author will probably appreciate (or has already seen) this. I quote from,
http://archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/horse-debate
“All this material illustrates the danger of “negative evidence”: it takes very little to make it irrelevant.”
No wonder Witzel are his rabid fanboys are so vociferous about putting down the science and propping up their own non-sense.
Readers are requested to read this in combination with above article. It will illuminate you further.
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/the-sequel-to-the-cover-story/
RajaRam deeserves my thanks …. he so simply explains deep thoughts and that too in such a rational way. Thank you Sir.
Somebody said, “Well in some States of India, after they have sent away the liberals, the liberated, the educated, the different, the honest, the forthright, the nice, the kind, the simple, the sweet and the Hindu….there’ll be only three groups: The Christian fundamentalists, the Muslim fundamentalists and the non-religious Communists. Then the two religious groups will collaborate and collude to go after the Communists. Once the Communists are sent away, or burnt…the Christian fundamentalists and the Islamic fundamentalists will go after each other. Clash of civilization until only one group remains at the top or spreads entirely across the globe”.
Is this true?
This is scary.
Any comment to this comment?
Absolutely correct. …. communists are creating same fallacy in west bengal. This is scary because if all have to survive peacefully then it is important that dominant character of india remain hindu. This is in interest of all.
I see. I don’t necessarily agree that Hinduism will be better for India’s economic growth, development or progress. Because whose Hinduism are we talking about?
But I will admit that any kind of singular ideology based on religious or political violence, deception or narrow minded exclusionary propaganda is a problem.
Good question but ultimately superficial.As superficial as “why can’t we all just get along?”.
It’s not an Oprah make-believe world.
Read again,the three gunas are inherent in all of us.
Thanks.
“Oprah make-believe world”? In fact Oprah has covered a lot of “human abuse on her shows”. And who watches Oprah these days? You do?
There is more to gunas than the three stated. Hinduism requires evolution…not just stuck on 5th century discoveries that do not include modern knowledge about varied personalities, qualities, behaviors, genetics and neurology.
Some of you Hindu men, the damaged Y chromosomes within Hinduism, are your biggest enemies. Sometimes I throw questions out there to see how much people get, or know….or can figure out.
The answer is: NOT MUCH
The best migrated out. I came back, but I might be leaving again. This country has a long long way to go. It is scary. There are amazing discoveries in the field of genetics, neurology, clinical social work and psychology than what Hindu men know. I agree some of it might not be relevant to your community, culture, ecology or environment. That is why research is needed, the qualitative kind…but in stead of supporting that you have argumentative arrogant men who shoot themselves in the foot.
India recognized various kinds of gunas over a thousand years ago. But it was not meant to stop there. It was supposed to evolve in its discoveries and knowledge: grow, expand, develop and refine. That is not happening….
Get? Samje? Puriyaradhaa?
Wrong conflation but let’s indulge your superficial smug self.
Ummm dahling don’t you think it’s advisable to actually know what you talk of?
But then foolish idiots like yourself don’t really subscribe to the basic dictum of delving into something before critiquing,rejecting,accepting or nullifying it.A 3rd hand 3rd rate perspective suffices your confused kind.
Now get off that high horse you’ve climbed to shoot inanities in such clockwork precision,if you can that is,and you may find that your 30 years of world travel hasn’t added any measure of height to your puny self.
By the way,about your so called innovation,dahling,look into Indian Mind Sciences for a change.
Capiche?
Listen jack—, you write in English. yet you act as if you are an expert on all things Hindu. I am glad I am on a high, because I am superior to your third rate knowledge and your third rate writing. Read what I wrote over and over again until you get it. What an amazing impression you give of Indian Hindu men. Your parents, and your wife (if you have one), must be proud. Hope you get the sarcasm.
Empty vessels and all that, so apt in your case
As a Santana Dharma practitioner how are you this cruel? I am ashamed of men like you, and terrified for India with people like you. Somebody said when I showed them your comments, “These are the scum bags who have gotten computers and pens in India today. Their hatred for smart Indian women or any Indian woman is deep. They’ll stab their own women in the front and the back. These are not Hindus. They are scumbags acting like Hindus. Only when they suffer a lot for generations are these monkeys going to evolve. Wish them nothing but suffering. And it is sad that with such people there are countries that think India and Pakistan are no different…”
How sad your comments make people think like that. I had better opinion of you…now I do not at all. Makes me want to vomit.
Hatred is what YOU have demonstrated, you liar. Not anyone else here. Abusing and trolling
is what YOU have done here, you liar. Not anyone else here. Anti-Hindu, anti-Indian filth is what YOU are spewing here, you liar. Not anyone else. What are you that you pomp about your opinion, you barbaric apologist of white christian western barbaric invaders and genociders? You are neither smart nor Indian nor woman by Indian standards, first you get that. No one abused you here, YOU are the one who abused. Empty vessel is an apt and justified description and unable to take it you resorted to your christian style victimhood mongering while you kept abusing all the while, lying all the while.
Awww did i hurt your widdle self you widdle goil? coochie coo 🙂
By the way,darling,why do you harbour so much hate for hindus? Was it a hindoo who exposed your hollowness for the first time ever?
Patronizing advise, yet again, It is boring to read your long winded comments after you promised you will not comment again. Yeah, yeah, the country has a long way to go, the Hindu men need to reform, Hinduism needs evolution, blah, blah, blah.
So when are leaving for USA?
Looks that way.
The hierarchy I infer from propaganda seems to be,
Christianity > Judaism > Atheism > Islam > Buddhism > (Jainism, Sikhism) > Hinduism.
You collude with a lower order against yet lower one, ad nauseum.