Hindus are on the Hit List
If you are a Christian, don’t read this. You might feel ashamed of your community’s leaders. If you are a journalist, read it only if you have an open mind and your pocket is not lined by NGO and similar funds. If you are a Hindu, you must read it. You must know that you are on the Hit List.
A senior Delhi Police official told me a recently – ‘What you are seeing is only a tip of the iceberg. None of us can really fathom the money and resources put behind this so called attack propaganda. All I will say is that something very ugly is taking shape and Modi has an uphill task as many vested interests feel threatened with India seeming to be growing stronger under his leadership’. [Emphasis added]
Here is a Christian, Robert Rosario, who will never get invited to fear mongering TV debates that are part of the concerted church agenda to create communal discord and target Hindus. Yes Hindus are on the Hit List.
This is what Robert has to say ‘How much Indian is the church in India? This is a serious question that needs to be asked given the turn of events unfolding every day. The cry of victimhood on one hand, and on the other the bishop claiming that ‘we are Indians’ and the Government of India should ensure our safety. This gives an impression that true Indian Christians are being targeted systematically, which is not a fact.
On the contrary,the church in India is very much unpatriotic and also teaches and preaches the same to its flock. The Church condemns democracy and practices hierarchy.The Bishop appointed by the ‘Roman pontiff’ claims to be the representative of Indian Christians. Over and above that,the bishops of India owe allegiance to the ‘Nuncio’ – the ambassador of Vatican to India, and pledge to ‘obey’ him. Nuncio enjoys Government of India privileges till date. He is neither elected or nominated by Indian Christians. Yet the Nunciohas the audacity to attack the elected government of India on silly instances and imaginary ‘threat perception.’
He is not the only one. Watch these two videos here: 1and 2. Do a cursory research on the Internet to know the filth these conversion factories are indulging in.
It is a fact that missionaries ask Hindus to spit on pictures of their gods, stamp on them with their feet to prove that Jesus is the only God. They teach Hindus to hate everything remotely connected with ‘Hinduism’, not enter their homes, not to eat with them or wear Indian clothes as that is the only way they can be true followers of the ‘Religion of Love’.
These sellers of Jesus use threat, intimidation, violence, hate, bribes… in fact, every imaginable dirty trick in the book to convert Hindus. But a GharWapsi makes the CBCI (Catholic Bishops Conference of India) say – ‘Christians are under attack ever since the Modi government has taken over.
‘Ghar Wapsi is creating a negative image about India, is posing a threat to all Minorities, as it is an attempt to communally polarise and a bid to homogenise India and so Christians need assurance from the Government that they are safe in their motherland.’
So the logical question arises: are these Christians behaving like it’s their ‘motherland’? Or are they treating India as the largest ‘unreached mass of people’ just like a manufacturer targeting his market?
In the video above, this guy says that even Pepsi and Coke have done a better job of marketing than the Church in marketing the Gospel. Are we talking religion or are we talking brands? Is Jesus a corporate logo?
Secular pastors call 300 million Hindus demonic and Hinduism satanic. Demography is changing in most border states. In a matter of a few decades, 80 per cent of Nagaland became Christian. These same secular, Christian people behaved like a mob and marched in Dimapur, many in school uniforms, to ‘deliver justice’ to one they believed was a rapist. Secular murder?
It’s now pertinent to recall the case of State vs Catholic Popes Francis Bergogli et al in which the Chief Prosecutor said, ‘The Catholic Church is the world’s largest corporation and appears to be in collusion with the mafia, governments, police and courts worldwide.’
Indian Christians need to look within
The CBCI claims that Christians are under attack since Modi took over, which is an utter lie. The Evangelical Fellowship of India, in its recently published ‘Persecution Report 2014’says, ‘Violence against Christians picked up in independent India in the early 1990s reaching its peak in 2008–2009 with more than 1,000 incidents of violence and hate crimes reported against the Christian community.’
But then, out of the blue, and a paragraph later, as if on cue, the report says ‘Much of the violence has taken place after the new government of the National Democratic alliance headed by the Prime Minister, Mr. Narendra Modi, came into power on 26 May, 2014.’
I read the report and couldn’t figure the Modi connection, although throughout the report they liberally blamed him, the RSS and Hindutva. I challenge anyone to show me a case of institutionalized persecution of Christians in India.
The Niyogi Committee Report of 1956 held the activities of Christian missionaries and conversions to be a threat to the Indian state. Later, through the 60s and 70s, many restrictions were put on them by the then Government. Missionaries were asked to leave the country, visas were cancelled, bills on Religious Freedom were passed, and for a while, the conversion business went into a slump as CBCI (Catholic Bishops Conference of India) faced enormous flak. The tainted track record of Christian evangelists is nothing new. So, is that why a storm broke out over Mohan Bhagwat’s justified criticism of Mother Teresa?
In fact, the events unfolding in India are a mere manifestation of a global design. With not all, but most of the traditional missionaries gone since the 70’s, today the ‘Indian Missionary Movement is Hot’ as per Dr. Timothy Tenet from Asbury Theological Seminary who himself has trained many in India for this ‘movement.’Per him,there are over 50,000 Indian missionary workers mainly from South India who are travelling up north to spread the gospel.
South India has already converted well. And due to their amazing work, he estimates that over 100 million in India will be Christians in this generation. He bluntly tells evangelists, in this video, how to work, train, plan, resource and discipline countries like India and China, which constitute one third of the world population. Now China is not easy to deal with, and unlike India, the Nuncio in China does not report to the Vatican but to the Communist Party. So that leaves India as the ripe target.
The conversion business plan for Asia in this millennium is ready with funds, charts, training schools, translations of scriptures, workers and the ‘plan’ has been well articulated by many.
More than a traditional religious war,it’s a geo-political-cultural war by a well-funded and well-armed worldwide missionary network. There has been a sharp decline in the number of church faithfuls across Europe and America. Many lonely churches are being converted to bars, showrooms and museums. This is a huge threat and the church desperately needs the numbers in this survival game.
Yoga and Ayurveda have been giving the Vatican sleepless nights, what with many priests/churches in Europe and US declaring Yoga as Satanic and warning Christians to stay away from it. The only continent left where natives haven’t converted to either Christianity or Islam in a big way is Asia. Now the church won’t dare go into the muslim dominated countries, would it?
But Father, where is the Proof?
Seriously, Father, I can’t see it, I can’t see these ‘attacks’ against Christians and Churches in India Father. Do you realize this behavior of yours is changing India’s view of the average patriotic Indian Christian?
So what is making well-informed people like Admiral Isaac, Valson Thampu, the principal of St Stephens, the top cop Julio Rebeiro, the principal of Sophia’s College and others in red, purple, black and white skulls caps lie and foment hate?
To answer this, let’s try and understand how this Church Agenda of crying wolf, played out in the last couple of months.
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Three roadside drunkards over a mid-night bet enter a Church in Delhi’s Vikaspuri to steal a petty thing or two. At 8:30 the next morning, a news channel gets the sound bytes:’Father, what happened?’ A gasping father says, ‘Our Church was attacked! This is the fifth Church in six months. There is a pattern to these attacks since Modi took over as PM. Hindu extremist elements are behind this’. The reporter: ‘But father how can you be so sure, without an inquiry?’ Father: ‘I know it!’. Of course the Father would know whodunit.
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In 2009, seven Christians attacked a church in Mangalore and planted Saffron flags to defame the Hindus. Of course he would know it. I mean how else do you explain ‘I know it’?
This is the same ‘reasoning’ that is at the core of the doctrine of Christianity and Islam: ‘Mine is the only true religion. And I know it’. Go figure which one really is, but please ask no questions.
Recently, almost all of the 436 mosques in the Central African Republic have been destroyed, in months of vicious fighting between Christians and Muslims to settle that question.
As per Delhi cop CP Bassi, the attacks on the five churches and one Christian school were not ‘communal attacks’ but stray cases of petty thefts, robbery—a Christmas tree caught fire in the Rohini church due to a short circuit, and in Jasola church, the window broke when a kid’s ball accidentally hit it.
Meanwhile 206 Temples, 30 Gurdwaras, and 14 Mosques were vandalized in Delhi in 2014. And 14 Temples, 5 Gurdwaras, 2 Mosques and 1 Church in 2015 till 2Feb. But ask those who wear skull caps and you will be told that Temples are never vandalized or desecrated only Churches are, so Hindus need to be ‘tolerant.’
Father Dominic Emmanuel, in an interview to Rediff played victim: ‘The rhetoric of the right wing is creating such a situation. FIRs have been filed and the police are investigating the cases. But, we are not happy because they are calling it a robbery in spite of the fact that all the moneyboxes are intact. They are not calling it desecration. They are not calling it communal. They never do that…Christians don’t matter. Our Christmas doesn’t matter’. You see, unless the police toes Father Goebbel’s line, nothing can satisfy him.
Laterhe said, ‘We are feeling very helpless and insecure. Why are we being attacked?’ The same day Sister Lucy, Principal of Holy Child Auxilium said, ‘The school was not vandalized. No religious symbol touched. Rs.8000 were stolen. CCTV cameras were off. No communal angle’.For some, the agenda is set.
5 February, 9.30 am: Word about a protest had already spread via social media with several event pages on FB and Twitter hashtags like #stopacttacksonchurchesand #stopattackingchurches. Frothing and fuming churches all over India blamed Hindus and Modi. Padres appealed to Christians to vote for Arvind Kejriwal. A WhatsApp message by Father Lourduswamy (6B)to his congregation read
‘Ever since the BJP has come to power, there is insecurity among minorities, especially the Christians… It may become difficult for us to practice our faith freely. Please make sure to make the right choice to elect a right Government …’
And, as Tareq Bukhari confirmed, ‘Imam Bukhari declared support to AAP in Jama Masjid during Friday prayers’.
And as if in unison, Barack Obama contributed his bit to the Delhi elections saying ‘Acts of religious intolerance(in India)..would have shamed Gandhi’; this when many American Presidents could be booked for gross crimes against humanity. In 2012 alone, the US had a whopping 293,790 hate crimes, 30,252 property hate-crimes and 263,540 violent hate-crimes (7). So while the U.S. funds Pakistan to unleash Jihadi terrorism and funds Christian Conversion factories to unleash religious extremism on India, Hindus need to be tolerant.
We all know of Hillary Clinton’s ‘Get Modi’ policy thanks to this brilliant piece by Madhav Nalapat. Clearly it’s not Christians but Christian missionaries, NGOs and their illegal activities that are under threat from Modi. So while Obama was under pressure from his Evangelical Theocrats to pressurize the Modi Government into stalling the Anti-Conversion Law, it was amusing to see Christian and Muslim clergy orgasming over Obama’s ill-informed sermon to Hindus. Of course, Hindus need to be tolerant.
Long story short, none of the churches were ‘attacked’ under the Modigovernment. From the PM to the HM to the HRD Minister,everyone personally assured and took steps to ensure the safety of the Christian community. The clairvoyant Archbishop Anil JT Couto whose miraculous third eye saw ‘a clear pattern of orchestrated attacks of churches’ where they were none, later rejoiced at AAP’s victory or should I say BJP’s defeat? Well, thankfully the church non-attacks and the Delhi elections are over. So let’s move to other states…while remaining tolerant.
The ‘Sangh Parivar enjoys raping septuagenarian nuns’
Ranaghat, where the septuagenarian Nun was allegedly raped, falls under the Nadia District in West Bengal. Many localities around Ranaghat, like Begopara are mostly inhabited by Christian converts. Nadia also has a Muslim population of 25.4 per cent, higher than the national average.
As per National Crime Records Bureau data of 2012, West Bengal tops the charts for crimes against women and Nadia (146) gets the third highest position in number of rapes after South 24-Parganas (224) and Murshidabad (174). As per a Home Ministry report, there are 5.2 million Bangladeshis illegally staying in India. In West Bengal alone, there are a staggering 3.2 million. Nadia borders with Bangladesh and crime in that area is rampant.
The Nun’s alleged rape case is a murky story. Some news reports stated that the land Mafia was involved, others said ‘As per church sources, she has been asked to leave Ranaghat and keep quiet, as the culprits belong to same community as hers’. Some said she wasn’t raped at all since the police, West Bengal Government or the church are yet to publish her medical bulletin…and so on.
But as per the police, some Muslims from Bangladesh living illegally in India have now been arrested. The police suspects a church insider is involved in this case.
But for top cops like Julio Ribeiro and hate fomenting clerics, it was an open and shut case. They proclaimed, on cue, that the Sangh Parivar rapes septuagenarian nuns. It is as if they are waiting to read out a photocopied allegation every time such an incident happens.
Serial Crimes of the Clergy
The same church went deafeningly silent when a clergyman in West Bengal was recently caught for repeatedly raping a 16-year-old girl for over a month in a rehabilitation home. This is the same church, whose priests and spokies were the first to brutally character assassinate a 14 year old girl when the serial rapist Father Falcao from Pune, was finally caught. The same church whose priest in Andhra, after raping, burnt alive a minor girlwhen she threatened to inform her parents. The same church whose pastor repeatedly raped a 13 year old in a children’s homein Guntur. The same church whose pastor and two sons,gang rapedtwo minors for six long months. And the same church has ostracized, bribed, threatened and killed Sisters for speaking against sexual crimes committed by the church.
Rape and pedophilia within the church have taken such horrific epidemic form across continents that finally, even the UN was forced to slam the Vatican in its reportstating that the Vatican’s policies allowed priests to rape. Pope Francis told the BBC in 2014 ‘There are cases (of pedophilia/rape by priests) in almost every institution in this land. One in 50 Catholic priests is a pedophile’. Ofcourse, later,he too was found guilty of rape, torture, murder and trafficking of children. So I’m guessing the percentage is much higher.
And what about the three Melbourne Churches set ablaze in as many days? Were they also the handiwork of RSS and Hindutva forces? A report on these fires in news.com.au, dated 2 April 2015, details a gory history of sexual abuse inflicted on scores of children by notorious paedophile priests for decades.
Under these circumstances, naturally, the first suspect would be the church. Also because the nun was allegedly raped within their premises. Her security was their responsibility. Alas, the proverbial pot calls the kettle black, accusing millions of Hindus under the guidance of Prime Minister Modi, to be potential rapists and communal goons.
That morning when the news broke, my jaw fell hearing some of the communal hatred, provocative lies and open threats being spewed by none less than the Archbishop, the Cardinal, Minority Commission’s Maria Fernandez and other Christian activists.
Why has India’s Minority declared war on the Majority?
1. Cardinal Cleem is in a Machiavellian exercise par excellence said ‘The country has a responsibility towards every human being, not just cows’. In all his religious finery, he not only mocked the Cow, a symbol of Hindu faith, but also politicized a human tragedy like rape when he implied that Cows, not Nuns are safe in India. Further he warned India ‘this is bad for India’s image globally and bad for the economy’. Of courseIndia’s image is not the church’s responsibility and he has freedom to indulge in baseless propaganda by the grace of Jesus.
2. Listen also to Sister Ananda, principal of Sophia’s College who compared India under Modi to the Nazi Holocaust on NDTV. She politely forgot to tell us that it was Christians who killed Jews. She forgot to tell us that a Catholic Hitler supported by the Catholic Church was responsible for the Nazi Holocaust.
Since this Ananda lady likes to mislead, let me remind her that the Nazi Holocaust was not the only one the Catholic Church was involved in. Remember the Canadian Holocaust? A deliberate extermination of indigenous people, murder of thousands of children in Indian Residential Schools by the Church? Here are some excerpts of the case:
‘Children were regularly kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered by the Vatican-directed Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult according to over 60 eyewitnesses who since 2011, have testified before the ICLCJ Court. Cardinal Lacroix was a member of Catholic Archbishop Bernard Fellay’s notorious St. Pius X Society. The SSPX, a Catholic cult connected to the Ndrangheta crime syndicate, remained in negotiations with Pope Francis to be readmitted into the Roman Catholic Church.’
‘Documents from Vatican secret archives presented to court clearly indicate that for centuries the Jesuits had a premeditated plan to ritually murder kidnapped newborn babies and then consume their blood,’ the ICLCJ Court Chief Prosecutor told the five international judges and 27 jury members. ‘The plan was born of a twisted notion to derive spiritual power from the lifeblood of the innocent, thereby assuring political stability of the Papacy in Rome. These acts are not only genocidal but systemic and institutionalized in nature. Since at least 1773, they appear to have been performed by the Roman Catholic Church, Jesuits and every Pope.’
Arrest warrants on People v. Bergoglio et all were issued on July 19 2014. Court records would remain sealed for now according to yesterday’s ITCCS press release. The first ICLCJ Court regarded 50,000 missing Canadian native children and ended in Feb. 2013 guilty verdicts for 40 global elites including Queen Elizabeth.’
3. What prompted Admiral Sushil Kumar Isaac, who was made Chief of Navy Staff during the previous BJP led NDA Government, to make such irresponsible statements, play the Christian persecution card, and shamelessly cast aspersions on the Armed forces? Even 1984 or 1992 couldn’t shake the secular armed forces, but a few stray crimes according to the former Admiral will make ‘the communal virus permeate the forces.’ In 1984, some Sikhs in the Army rebelled but they were quickly disciplined. Admiral Isaac has retired from the Navy but has he also retired from his professed nationalism? Or is he speaking at someone’s behest?
4. Even the Supreme Court was not spared of the sordid communal angle. Justice Kurian Joseph, objected to the Chief Justices Conference being organized on Good Friday claiming that holding this conference on a national holiday like Good Friday could result in marring the nation’s secular fabric.
The Chief Justice of India explained to Justice Kurian that the Conference is scheduled on Holidays because ‘the CJI and his two senior most colleagues and 24 Chief Justices of high courts will be free from regular court work and be able to contribute to the cause of judiciary. In 2007, we had the judges’ conference on the day of ‘Good Friday’ and in 2009 it was held on the Independence Day, which is a national holiday. In 2004, it was held on Valmiki Day.’
Speaking to Live Law, former Supreme Court Judge Justice K.T.Thomas said that there is nothing wrong in conducting the Conference on Good Friday. ‘There is only one Christian (HC) Chief Justice in India at present. I talked to him. He told me that there is no inconvenience for him to attend the Conference , because he can attend the church service either in the morning or in the evening.. In USA, where the Christian population is 98%, Good Friday is not a holiday.’ Yet sadly Kurian continued to play ‘hurt’.
5. ‘Christian MPs coming together in a joint front condemn BJP for the increase in attacks since BJP Government ‘reported Times of India. Muslim leaders joined the hate chorusand another journalist called the rape an act of terrorism supported by Mr. Mohan Bhagwat. No stone was left unturned to instigate communal violence. But then in no other country does the media work as perspicuously to demonize its majority, even when every shred of evidence and investigation says that this has nothing to do with Hindus.
6. If this wasn’t enough, the focus of this Good Friday was ‘persecution’ as declared by Catholic Secular Forum (CSF) and Christian ‘Thought Leader’ Dennis Taraporewale plumbed (he has since deleted his tweet pic) to filthier depths by communalising a case of voyeurism. As per Financial Express, Union Minister Smriti Irani raised an alarm after she spotted a hidden camera at Goa’s Fabindia outlet that was pointed towards the trial room she used while trying out clothes, which led to a case of voyeurism being filed and arrest of four employees. The Goa Crime branch SP Kashyap and the Goa MLA Lobo confirmed ‘When we went through the hard disk and computer to check the recordings we saw everything. All things were getting recorded over there when anybody was changing clothes. From the level of stomach till above everything was getting recorded. This is mischief… Somebody has been watching the recording.’
But you see for the Christian ‘Thought Leader’ it was a case of Christian FabIndia attacked by Hindu BJP in Fascist Goa on Good Friday.’
A Ghar Wapsi that never happened
The Uttar Pradesh Minority Commission’s 2 February report concluded that the Agra Ghar Wapsi where 200 muslims were ‘converted’, for which the opposition stalled the parliament, turned out to be a Ghar Wapsi which never happened. ‘No conversion has taken place in Madhu Nagar on 8 December2014. The people living there are still Muslims and are following Islamic culture and religion’ said Shafi Azmi, spokesperson of the Commission. I fail to understand how the custodians of the Christian Conversion factories, create a hullabaloo over Ghar Wapsi. Isn’t conversion legal in India? Then where is the issue? Mr Ribeiro is no stranger to that, is he?
Yet top cop Julio Rebeiro played victim claiming he is on a hit list because of Ghar Wapsi and RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat’s statement on Mother Teresa. What did Mr Bhagwat say? ‘People like Mother Teresa did good work and service. But the aim was to convert the poor to Christianity. This kind of service is devalued if conversions are done in the name of service or work,’, he said. Was Ribeiro sleeping when, from Sita Ram Goel to Christopher Hitchens and thousands in-between said the same about the Albanian nun he calls ‘Saint’?The Pope claims the same about the Church: ‘The principal mission of the church is evangelisation’…’The best way to practise charity is to evangelise’. So, MrRibeiro, either Teresa did not follow the basic principles of the church or are you charging the Pope with putting you on a ‘hit list’?
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One may or may not like him, but Mr. Mohan Bhagwat runs amongst the largest social organizations in the world with lakhs of members, who work in 54,000 villages, with 1,38,667service projects, but does not evangelise as he doesn’t feel the need to do so. Yet he is attacked and vilified on a weekly basis thanks to self-loathing Indians. For him, its water off the duck’s back.
Mr. Ribeiro speaks of ‘Hindu Rashtra’ in a denigrating manner. He says he is ‘threatened’ by those who promote Hindu Rashtra. Well, with a 80% Hindu population, India by default is a Hindu Rashtra. And it is only because it’s a Hindu Rashtra that he, despite belonging to a minority, became a top cop, not likely in a ‘pure’ Christian country. And he forgets that he inherited the ‘parampara of persecution mania’ from the Catholic Church, as his forefathers were born through this persecution, not by Hindus but the Invaders who converted them from Hinduism.
Another Indian Catholic Mrs Hilda Raja (22A) asks Ribeiro ‘We are scandalized by ‘Ghar Vapsi’. What about the Inquisitions held in India in Goa. With so much of baggage how can we point a finger to others and then pretend that we are being victimized and discriminated?’
The baseless hate propaganda against RSS is nothing new. For example, The South India Church of Christ Mission had on 16th May 2014 declared in its letter to supporters :’The RSS has won control of the Central Government through its political party, the BJP….God has made His will known today. We are now beginning the time of the Second Great Persecution of Christ’s church in India this century. The goal once again will be to make India ‘Christian free’…The RSS is the Indian branch of Hitler’s Nazi Party…They are ruthless and driven with a Satanic energy.’
Lies, damn lies and media mischief
In the meantime, bricks were hurled at a church in Mangalore, and everyone screamed ‘Hindutva.’ However, it turned out to be the handiwork of a disgruntled Christian ex-employee.
Similarly in the Panvel church, an incident of minor stone pelting turned out to be an act ofrevenge, as the accused believed that the Church had complained against their gambling den, which led the police to raid it. ButMumbai Archbishop Oswald Gracias who continued with his alarmist rhetoric even after the arrest, probably maintains to the day that the church complained against a gambling den run by Hindutva Forces under the leadership of Mr. Narendra Modi.
Of course, this is not the first time the Church lobby in India has cried wolf. In 2014, Hindu organizations were accused of murdering Priest KJ Thomas. It turned out to be an insider’s job where three other priests were involved.
Again in 2014, the cross in a Vile Parle Church was desecrated. This one turned out to be the work of a Christian named Agnelo Pereira who did it in a drunken state.
Mangalore, 2009 was the same refrain: ‘Our church has been vandalized. Hindus have done it.’But the fact – seven Christians had vandalized and planted saffron flags to defame Hindus.
Hindus were also blamed in Jhabua MP, 1999, when four nuns were raped. As it turned out, all the 12 rapists were Christians.
And so, the game goes on, with everything given a communal colour and the final blameinvariably, in every single sickening instance, pinned on Hindus.
India must wake up and now
Well, the UPA had its advantages and I could give you a host of numbers to back my claim. I could tell you of the explosion in conversions in Arunachal Pradesh or (undivided) Andhra Pradesh. I could also tell you how the landscape of Tamilnadu has changed within a decade as new churches have sprung up across the state.
But why do that when I can quote none other than John Dayal who has given a litany of anti-Hindu testimonies in Washington over decades. Here, he himself admits to illegal conversions:
‘More Christians in India than officially counted. The official Census is not the best guide to the number of Christians in India. Anyway, the desegregated Census data on the religion-wise composition of the population is not available after 2001 because the Indian government feels the disclosure of such information will ignite and inflame passions in a society deeply divided in faith and belief identities….No one believed the official figures (2001 Census) that Christians constituted just 2.3 percent of the population. The Catholic Church, Protestant groups and particularly the Pentecostal churches collectively claim a total figure that may be two or three times the official Census numbers.
Statisticians Todd Johnson and Kenneth Ross estimate that India’s Christians constitute 4.8 percent of the population at 58 million, a figure accepted by some academicians such as Chad Bauman, Vice President of the Society for Hindu-Christian Studies in the United States. Jason Mandryk puts the figure even higher, at 71 million, or 5.84 percent of the population, and reports that others estimate it as high as 9 percent.
The Indian Christian population is unevenly distributed. In some states and districts the Christian population is negligible, whereas in others Christians predominate. In the South, Christians constitute 35.5 percent of the population of Kerala, and 19 percent of the population of Tamil Nadu. But the biggest concentration is in the culturally and ethnically distinct small Northeastern states of Nagaland, Meghalaya, and Mizoram.’
It is high time Hindus and India woke up to this menace of evangelism that has spread across the nation like cancer. Stories of Christian victimhood are just that: stories with no facts or truth to them. Powerful sections in the government, bureaucracy, academia, intelligentsia and media have been cultivated over decades and activated at will whenever Hindus raise their voice and protest against evangelism which is a threat to national security.
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If anything, Hindus are on the Evangelical hit list. And this faux Christian persecution story does not end here.
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- Child Sacrifices tied to Vatican, Mafia, Canadian PM Stephen Harper Child http://childabuserecovery.com/child-sacrifices-tied-to-vatican-mafia-canadian-pm-stephen-harper/#.VR9QJBiXerX
20A. Justice Kurien Joseph http://m.livelaw.in/news-detail.php?url=http://www.livelaw.in/justice-kurian-joseph-expresses-concern-over-judges-conference-on-good-friday/
- GharWapsi http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/Minorities-commission-says-Agra-Muslims-had-not-converted/articleshow/46099720.cms
- Julio Rebeiro writes he is on the hit list http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/i-feel-i-am-on-a-hit-list/
22A. Letter to Rebeiro by Hilda Raja https://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2015/03/21/truth-must-be-upheld-mr-ribeiro-hilda-raja/
- RSS hatred by South India Church http://archive.today/hsYLM
- Mangaluru Church ATTACK case. Disgruntled ex-employee. http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/karnataka/Former-Employee-Arrested-in-Mangaluru-Church-Attack-Case/2015/03/10/article2707193.ece
- Panvel attack. A case of revenge. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/maharashtra/motive-behind-church-attack-was-revenge-devendra-fadnavis/
- KJ Thomas murder http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/3-priests-among-5-main-accused/
- Vile Parle attack http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Man-held-for-desecrating-cross-gets-bail/articleshow/38454537.cms
- Seven Arrested for Damaging Church Property – All Christians. http://t.co/NLmcqdRCA4 http://t.co/5PzMpiEOVm
- Jhabua rape case http://www.rediff.com/news/column/anti-christian-acts-the-myth-and-reality/20150225.htm
- John Dayal http://johndayal.com/thomas-christians-crypto-christians/
The pity is Hindus in India refuse believe this fact that the earth under their feet is continuously being eroded.The pseudo secularists’ eyes are so blind that they will understand this danger only when it is too late.
Dear Sumedha Sarvadaman, you need to read and learn the Truth that Roman Catholics are not Christians. Please read the Christian Church History from 1st A.D and find out how Roman Catholic Mission is related to Jesus Christ’s Church.
After all the Xtians in India, are product of mass murdering genocidal British, Portuguese, and now Italian mercenaries and killers and prostitutes and keeps (The Brothel culture carried by Congis-Commies and MEDIAWHORES). Their genetics is so filthy combined with Satanism of Xtianity and their Transnational loyalties. Reberio and ISSAC have shown that their mass murdering genetics is intact as is their evilness. Remember that same so called Super Cop refused posting to NE and fight his XIAN “Brothers”. Media and controlling Xians are so anti national that they are batting for ITALIAN NAZI C..T Congress, and cannot digest a Rising India..High time they are sent back to Portugal, Britain or beloved Italy to eat “White shit” and lay for the “Whites” Media whores love the job but Whites do not think them to be even worth it
I do not want to join any kind of “passionate discussion on this issue” when passions do not fuel good arguments or debates, but merely make people angry and one sided.
Here is my critique of this article, and for the sake of avoiding conflict of interest I state at the outset, I am an Agnostic Hindu Indian woman. I am comfortable with that identity, and I know no other philosophy that gives me that comfort and clarity. Having said that the author overlooks some key points, and unfortunately no Christian has argued these points.
1) Conversion is going on and it is increasing. That is a fact and there are numbers to prove that. But there is some fear among some Christians that they are no longer liked or wanted in India. That hurts some and it puts fear in them. The feeling of fear is real and it is not good. No one should feel fear with or without actual violence.
2) There is a lot of financial investments coming from foreign governments and agencies to help Indian missionaries and conversion programs. No country, including the US, would ignore investigating anything that involves foreign money. If NGOs can be investigated so can missionaries…so Jihadist like missionaries do not spring up. Hillary Clinton’s foundation is being investigated for its foreign money donations because she is likely to be running for the Presidency. This is a normal national security investigation. No need to get defensive and hyper emotional about this.
3) Many Christians ; reformed Christians, Atheists, Agnostics and those converted to Judaism, Buddhism or other religions in the US and Europe are worried about money being taken out of their country, with all kinds of tax evasion and benefits, and pumped into Third World religion politics…including conversions. I hear lawsuits are going to be filed in New York city court on this matter. Many American and European Christians do not want their money to be going to overseas conversions and proselytizing.
4) Sometimes nuns and priests might get hyper emotional and receive far too much publicity. We have to worry more about ordinary Christians, many converted centuries ago, feeling threatened.. These Christians have done much good for India…and they should not feel threatened.
5) Converted Christians might have psychological problems because of the financial or personal issues that might be responsible for their conversion. This hurts the church and the larger non Christian community. We want people with problems to go for counseling…not conversion.
6) Some Hindus and Muslims do make fun of Christians…not in a funny fun teasing way, as some do in collegem that is cute and friendly…but in cruel ways. That is not good or fair.
7) Christians have to stop bringing up caste as an issue over and over again without understanding the complexity of caste or casteism, They must also not overlook “colonialism, slavery, racism, sexism, church scandals and all kinds of perversion in their own history”. When these kinds of dirty politics and manipulations go on in institutes of higher learning we get poor learning and third rate colleges. Many Indians, irrespective of religion, are unemployable…due to bad colleges and bad learning. Churches should stop politicization of education…like in TISS, Schools of Social Work, etc. That is unnecessary. Let us help all Indians…including poor Indians of all color, ethnicity and all religions,
The reference in this article is long but not all are accurate…too many weblogs. Not helpful in good research.
Stop getting defensive and lets do a good solid research on these matters…without religious meddling. Shake hands and do the research.
more pictures of christian Hitler accomplice with vatican church.christians like to term Hitler as atheist or non christian.
here is picture of hitler leaving church with his quote I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so — Adolf Hitler
http://www.alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/20hitlercatholicchurch.jpg
http://www.flyingchariotministries.com/Hitler%20and%20church%206.jpg
Roman Catholic Bishops doing the nazi/Hitler salute with Joseph Goebbels
https://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/nazipriestssalutehitler1.jpg
Hitler shaking hands with Cardinal
http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC/hitler_cardinal4.jpg
Pope Pius XII venerated by Roman Catholic Church with sainthood.
the picture of him with Hitler should expose the farce about sainthood and even farce of canonization in christianity
http://emperor.vwh.net/images/orsen.jpg
Now the muslims
here is picture of muslim amin al husseini spent World War II in Berlin at Hitler’s side. Husseini
established a division of Muslim Nazis “the Hanzar” division and played a
first-hand role in instigating the genocide of Europe’s Jews, Serbs and
Gypsies. After World War II, he actively recruited Nazi officers into
the Arab governments of the Middle East.
http://canaryinthecoalmine.typepad.com/.a/6a013487f321e0970c0153920bca45970b-pi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1987-004-09A,_Amin_al_Husseini_und_Adolf_Hitler.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_147-0483,_Berlin,_Besuch_Amin_el_Husseini.jpg
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/mufti-muslim-army-for-hitler.jpeg
muslims nazis called hanzar doing al salat.
http://www.flyingchariotministries.com/hitler%20and%20church%205.jpg
One of the best anti christian article most of which are conspiracy theories . Only some of the crimes committed by the catholic church mentioned here are true and pope frank himself accepted and looks like the author forgot about the crimes committed by the babas and the priests . I would like to know how evangelism ,christans are a threat to national security , to me it looks like a baseless allegation with no sound proof .
Sumedha,the designer. Only a designer can understand evil designs of enemy. Thank God we have such brilliant lady among us to lead. My sincere thanx,congratulations, good wishes .Don’t stop now. Expose this Christian/Muslim propaganda through your extraordinary grip over language,facts,logic and brute honesty.
Very well written, needs to be spread like wildfire
Maybe a better policy would be to do onto them as they do onto us. Instead of an anti-conversion policy, which the BJP is too scared to do although Venkiah Naidu talked about it pre-election, we should insist that all Hindu temples, and their wealth be handed to Hindu organizations and acharyas. Each temple can then have their own schools and hospitals as well conversion policies for the area they serve. They problem is that we need a level playing field which we don’t now.
I am a Christian and belong to a missionary
family, I am telling you, this article
is absolutely baseless. A well scripted story based on the imagination of a
hateful mind. We are Indians as much as any Hindu. The saddest thing is that,
we have never seen such hatred for Christians while growing up. We all grew up
together in this nation with all our differences, but suddenly, what happened?
We hate each other like never before. I can write point by point from this
article to prove it wrong but that will take long time… So, I will rather choose
to share few important points and leave rest on God. May Love and Peace prevail
in my nation.
Amitabh Bachchan – Sherwood
College, Nainital
A. P.
J. Abdul Kalam – Saint Joseph’s College,
Tiruchirappalli
P.
Chidambaram – Madras Christian College Higher
Secondary School
Amitav Ghosh
– St. Stephen’s College, Delhi
Amartya Sen
– St Gregory’s School
L. K. Advani – Saint Patrick’s High School, Karachi
Naseeruddin
Shah – St. Anselm’s Ajmer and St Joseph’s College, Nainital
Abhishek
Bachchan – Bombay Scottish
School
Shah Rukh
Khan – St. Columba’s School
Sourav
Ganguli – St Xavier’s School’s
Rahul Dravid
– St. Joseph’s Boys High School and St. Joseph’s College, Bangalore.
V.V.S. Laxman – Little Flower High School
Pullela Gopichand – St. Paul’s High School
Sania Mirza – St. Mary’s College, Hyderabad
Priyanka Chopra – La Martiniere Girls’ School in Lucknow
Shabana Azmi – St. Xavier’s College, Mumbai
Ranbir Kapoor – Bombay Scottish School
Kavita Krishnamurthy – St. Xaviers’ College, Bombay
Indra Nooyi – Holy Angels Anglo Indian School & Madras Christian College
Lakshmi Mittal – St. Xavier’s College, Calcutta
Ratan Tata – The Cathedral & John Connon School, Mumbai
Cyrus Pallonji Mistry – The Cathedral & John Connon School, Mumbai
Virat Kohli – Savier Convent
Rohit Sharma – Our Lady of Vailankanni High School Borivali
Anushka Sharma – Mount Carmel College
I did a small research and found so much… Here are
few renowned names from India who have studied and grown up in Christian
schools/colleges, learning about Jesus Christ for their whole life, yet didn’t
get converted to Christianity. Why? Because, these schools and missions are
built to provide a high-standard education to Indian children in lowest
possible fee, but not to convert them trickily, what some fundamentalists are
claiming these days, of course, for their own political ambition. However, speaking
about Jesus and sharing Bible is not converting, in fact, many non-Christian
schools teach about Jesus from the Bible. Also, everyone should know that all
these Christian schools run on foreign donations as well as Indian, which are
being used for the education of Indian kids from poor and middle class families,
which includes Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and equally all Christian and non-Christian
children. India might be economically better today because of the MNCs, but it
was not the same before, these schools were the only hope for parents who
wanted their children to get proper education. If India is shinning today,
after the invasion of various rulers from around the World, which includes the
Aryans, Mughals, British and all, it is largely because of these Christian organizations,
these schools and colleges never seized to produce gems like APJ Abdul Kalam or
Amitabh Bachchan, VVS Laxman or Indra Nooyi. Also, they never taught that women
should not go out in night or should not wear jeans!! My brothers and sisters
of India, respect good work, be honest, we owe a lot to these foundations,
which we can never repay. If these organizations and missions stop doing what
they do, over 15 millions lepers will come to our door step, millions of homeless,
needy and orphans will come on the streets and hundreds of millions kids from the
middle class and poor families will lose high-class education. Don’t listen to
the fundamentalists; they are no one’s friend, they won’t mind to destroy our
unity for their personal gain. I am saying this as an Indian, but not as a
Christian. Receiving Jesus is all about spiritual conversion, thats a purely
Godly affaire, only spiritual conversion makes someone a true believer and
follower of Christ Jesus, which happens in a Godly and supernatural way. I was
not immersed in Christ when the preachers told me about Jesus, they just guided
me to know Jesus properly, but the spiritual conversion happened only when
Jesus began to build a relationship with me, which can’t be explained in words.
As I said, it’s a purely Godly affair, human can never comprehend that, and
should not even try to!
For that you need to look at few things that the when the conversion first took place in the 16th century they had many obstacles along with the reluctance of the local people, the pastors came and opened schools and hosipitals and many other socio upliftment, however not everything worked the way they planned this to work and masses to convert and especially considering the very complicated cast system of indian hindus… I hope you knw that even indian convert muslims and christians also have a hint of caste in their followings.. The schools stayed in many places and few really became a lot popular among the masses due to their good standards of education and rightous approach towards to the quality education.. Now coming back to the point of conversion which is being propagated.. i would like to provide you authanticated website of the project Joshua and AD 2000..
http://www.ad2000.org/uters1.htm
Please read this and then tell me what do you think about the evangelistic activities.. and please dont say that i created this website as AD2000 is a well know project for the world baptism..
Boss, u people are very good in obfuscation and double deal ! I will just kick ur arguments with 3 points ! (1) 20 years back India was not a major victim of concerted evangelism (2) Mafia queen Sonia was no where and Xtian gang mostly from Kerala was not in power in Delhi (3) Clash of civilizations (read Huntington to know more) was not on the agenda of western powers at that stage – Now the situation has been manipulated by western Xtians with money and muscle to corner other religions – Muslims, Hindus & Budhists ! So there will be some collateral damage !! OK ?
Kudos Sumedha to u and I wish, more n more Hindus will read it and take up this national cause of delivering the country from this hidden enemy. I keep talking cue from this magazine which even Google has earmarked as dangerous site. Couple of times, it so happened with me when a subtle message was shown when trying to reply to comments.
can you tell which magazine are you referring to?
Good question but bereft of meaning. Unless u stop “Dances with the devil”, it will be difficult for u to understand. I recommend, you reread my comment for ur answer. Thank you.
you are talking about Indiafacts, right? but I never came across message from Google having earmarked this site as dangerous.
Also do you have any objection with my name? then let me explain.
We ,Indians are called infidels/kuffars/najasun/devil worshipers by christians and muslims. we are born to live and enter hell where they claim devil rules.
So my name actually portrays how Indians will make the devil dance to their tunes and steps in hell away from their bullshit heaven of allah and jesus filled with muslims and christians.
Unfortunately everything can’t be proved but observed just like a dream. Twice I received messages from net I believed from Google warning me for this site for being undesirable site. Please don’t go after my words but it’s meaning. Then I decided to open it despite the warning. This much for your query on Google warning. Yes, it’s not written anywhere on Google but it can be found out from their protocol for warning systems.
Thank you for explaining your ID. Keep up ur gud job. Thank you.
are you willing to tackle an christian propagating nonsense on disqus comments
TEJPAL IS AN RSS AGENT, WITH VERY NARROW MINDED VIEWS.
Whose agent does it make you? It certainly doesn’t spell you a broad mind instead. Full of hate, intolerance, and your crusades won’t help you dear. Correct yourself b4 correcting others, a difficult task.
Great information, eye opener. But sadly, I would like to add that Hindus are the biggest enemies of Hinduism. A society which can boast of number of Jaichands who are willing to forsake their faith for ulterior motives, some political aspirations, some financial considerations, and some for just being termed as modern and liberals. Unfortunately, the hindus will never be allowed to unite in the name of religion, because, ultimately it is the lust for power of the politicians which drives them to resort to appeasement tactics and Hindus abjectly divided by caste and class considerations, fail to understand their motives. In the recent times, a large section of Hindus themselves drew vicious pleasure out of branding stray instances of stone pelting into communal frenzy incited by Hindu elements, and by doing so, political rewards were reaped in Delhi. Some self proclaimed leaders of various political leanings (AAP leader Raghav Chadha) joined the demonstrations against the non existent communal attack on a christian school. What a tragedy? And the people in their desire to be termed as seculars and liberals, joined hands with the same party which garnered absolute support from the very same minorities that vociferously condemn Hindus and Hinduism. The Hindus, divided into umpteen number of political affiliations, fail to understand the evil designs of these political dispensations, who for their political desires are willing to subjugate the majority to ever demanding minorities and in the process put to shame, ridicule and ignominy the very religion which allows them the liberty to do so, in which they and their forefathers were born. If a Narendra Modi calls himself a nationalist Hindu, he is ostracized and calumniated, but if a person from minority community puts his religion before nation, no eyebrows are raised. Time has come for Hindus to Unite. Hindus must understand, that unlike christians for whom the west and the Vatican are willing to raise their voice, Muslims for whom the Arab world is willing to unite and support, no outside force or power shall ever stand with Hindus. They have to save themselves, their religion and their country without any sympathy and support from outside. Remember my “Hindu brethren, United we stand, Divided we fall.” If still the hindus do not rise to the occasion, the evil designs of Christianity and Islam shall plunder this our land (As they did in old times), force us to convert, and our beloved Hindu religion shall be relegated to oblivion only to be referred to history books of western world as one pagan religion of which they cleansed the society.
Good work in bringing out the truth
Check this out: http://www.daijiworld.com/chan/exclusive_arch.asp?ex_id=2119
Irony of religion ” Those in majority are always the most insecure “. In USA conservatives got an idea that yoga is being practiced to spread Hinduism. Here in India someone claims that Mother Teresa had ulterior motives of spreading Christianity. Funny how both of these countries claim to be culturally rich where they actually have nothing left of their own. Then there’s good old middle east setting new standards of inhumanity and zealotry every single day. These zealots do not miss a single opportunity to whip out there religion and start waving around.
Religions have always clogged our conscience, be it the inquisition or the gharwapasi or the jehad. Here’s an advice try atheism it’s not considered heresy in Hinduism, infact only one in nine systems has a place for god in it. How’s that for a rotten apple ruining the whole basket.
Where does the author talk about god in the article? The Hindu concept of a Supreme being is very different from the God of the books.
Christianity is a cultural subjugation tool. The depth of spirituality can not be even mentioned in the same breath as Sanatana Dharma. Please don’t be confused into this pseudo secularism that condemns all “religions “, as if all are the same.
Mother Teresa ‘s conversion motive is not portrayed as ulterior. Rather it is a matter of fact, as some Christian preachers genuinely believe they are doing the right thing by taking the word of God to the heathen. Read Christopher Hitchens’s articles on her.
Maybe you are correct about Mother Teresa or maybe blinded by the something that “sanatan” that it’s real meaning is lost. You want examples? What started as harmless flexible varnas was skewed long ago to benefit few as the horrible caste system. And do tell your version of how this “sanatan” religion defends godhara and malegaon. The very fact you brand an atheist Hindu as pseudo secular points out even you want to modify this “sanatan” dharma of yours as per your convenience. Why bother pretending to follow dear sir? Try to respect people for what they are and not for the religion they belong to.
I said you were pseudo secular only because you equated the two religions.
What should I defend about Godhra or Malegaon. I don’t understand what you are talking about. Please read the facts of both cases.
Kindly don’t assume I base my respect for people on their religion. I am talking about concepts inherent in the religions that will lead adherents to certain kinds of behavior. I am not disrespecting entire populations.
You talk about inherent concepts just like vernas in Hinduism right… Sir just like the sanatan dharma every religion was aimed at providing hope to people in turbulence. But it’s a big question whether religions are giving hope or taking it away(Talk about some random guy asking you to convert in return of your life). You want to attack the very foundation of any religion be ready accept the flaws in your own religion. Let’s not get in horrible facts about Gujarat and malegaon. I have a feeling you will say they were amplified by the state government(run by the very respectable PM at that time) and center
well same here.. i think the same that every religion has faults more then the followers think themselves.. This is why there is no peace in the world despite of every religion preaching the peace coz every follwer believes that his peace is more prominant thn the peace preached by other.. but as a hindu atheist i dont support killing a culture and supressing other religion on the name of any true religion.. for your reference i would like to ask you to read about the joshua project and their approach towards hinduism.. if you are as you said an actual hindu atheist you will find how mallicious the approach is when you get to read the actual facts abt all this and for more read this AD2000 website which is the main stream of all later evangelic project http://www.ad2000.org/uters1.htm
Pleas read and do let me know…
He is not a Hindu. He is a big cheater to fool the innocent unsuspecting Hindus. He is bigger impostor and a criminal far worst dangerous than these criminal jihadi brigades who don’t hide but this chap is fully trained in the criminal laboratory of Vatican under guidance of CIA. Beware of such clever enemies.
Thanks Tejpal.. I still dont mind arguing with this guy coz my aim is not to tell people that my religion is great, my aim is to save my culture and my 5000 year old religion from the others who are with a massive propaganda and dirty tricks trying to eliminate it.. let them believe what they believe in, just dont fucking impose tht on us.. we nvr made groups and said come to out fold so i want from them.. I want harmony but not on the cost of a mass murder of thousands years old India
Is this the Tejpal litmus test for who is a true or good or right Hindu? So he is the autocrat who knows it all and will use verbal abuse to knock people down…like Jihadists? Jihadists go after non-Muslims. This idiot goes after Hindus and Hindu women. What does that say about his “background”. I wonder who pays this guy. There are atheist and agnostic Hindus and they should be given respect. The Seeker might not be one of them. But it is important to remember that this is not Tejpal’s Hinduism, and his half baked version of Hinduism, Capitalism and Westernism…all bunched up together. He makes it easy for people like Erathi to say cruel things, ridiculous things and call Hindus “pigs” and awful stuff like that. Why does Tejpal invite this, provoke this and entertain this? Seeker might be a hidden Bible man, but how do we know Tejpal is not a hidden reactionary from another religion?
Well mate.. perhaps instead of shooting at each other we can make each other understand.. And as i said i dont mind the seeker or anyone having doubts i am ready fr discussion and i dont insult people not even the people frm other religion or nationalities.. My aim is to discuss and tell people tht we wont cease to exist..:)
MR/s Seeker, Mother Teresa besides who need not my attention, but ur distasteful incessant cry of Godhra or Malegaon speaks volumes to me. It only shows that you belong to the same criminal brigades who were responsible for these crimes to humiliate and defame Hindus. Let me take just one of it – Godhra only. Do you have any idea of Godhra or just screeching Goebbelsian truth that repeated lies spoken loudly makes it look like truth. In your estimates, only non Hindu minorities of India are human beings. What a brute joke?
Please tell me your knowledge of Godhra before I get back. Thank you.
Oh you care about the image of Hinduism then stop ranting and think of 1200 people who lost their lives in Gujarat riots. But does it matters you are too proud to do that.
Ur comment smacks of ur shamelessness. I know, nothing will deter you. U either don’t know the truth or deliberately impostoring to continue ur Goebbelsian lies. Gujarat 2002, to be specific, shall continue till ur purported feigned Doomsday. Just like ur Books of indeterminate existence. Why doesn’t ur Church speak on those lost years of cooked story of fake Jesus?
Christian US + Vatican has murdered more than millions (God knows exact numbers) of Muslims and are still continuing their killings. Why don’t you talk of them? Also, you conveniently and criminally omit the initiation of ur secular brigade’s crime of burning the Hindu pilgrims, perhaps they were not human beings. Shame on you cheater liar barbaric medieval tribal cultist.
Ya.. you need scope to convince people perhaps I thought better of ourselves than these zealots. And just because they go on a killing spree I guess it’s justified that you do the same? Don’t get me started on Christianity, its said templars were burnt alive by church on a Friday for heresy. They burned their own to suppress their voices and the day was called Friday the 13th. Christianity and Islam have a long and gory past of violence. I’ll just spell out again “I don’t believe in any religion.” Did you find anything like “hail Islam” or “hail Christianity” in our discussion?
Where did you get or manufacture these inflated figures. Then what is exactly u r trying to imply under this hideous figure concocted in US State Dept under the active patronage of communal racist NGO – USCIRF. You can’t see the reality because for you Hindus are not human beings just because they r a peace loving community. Also tell me your insinuation under your imaginary figures community wise and do Hindus have their right to defend or not? Perhaps your racist mind won’t see more than ur myopic mind. Shame on you.
Well it’s like talking to a wall every thing I say has either been magnified or been conjured up right? Those were official figures and do I happen to mention how many were Hindu how many Muslim ? No I didn’t and I won’t because I just care that human lives were lost. You call me racist on what grounds and where are your figures… what’s their credentials RSS,Hindu mahasabha or durgavahini? Even if 1 guy died in the name of religion how dare you justify it? You are the biggest zealot I have ever conversed with. Stop pestering me if you not ready to listen.
Word on ur favourite Mother Teresa. When she arrived as a twenty year young lady, she was nowhere on the streets of Calcutta but picked by one womaniser Malcolm Muggeridge. It might baffle you. This lady was sanctified long after Muggeridge got her on the scene after having had her enough. You might know this fellow. Rest is all story, the world knows it too well or too little.
And I am sorry Togadia and bhagwat were a born saints were they? probably we should strip her of Nobel and vouch for them for Nobel peace prize. GOD Bless!!! Kailash satyarthi is not a Muslim or a Christian
Again it will take me long post to fully reply u. Suffice to say, Nobel isn’t it Noble any more but a political tool. You mean that Obama’s Peace Prize was a Nobel job? stop screeching. I do feel that Togadia does excess but Bhagwat is ur pain in neck because he is born here and loyal native unlike ur so called spurious Mother implant. Why are u playing an offence as defence. Reply my points quoted there. This defaming technique is your old Christian habit of missionaries bankrupt of any philosophy. That’s why, you need negative backdoor propagandas of maligning Hinduism but Hinduism treats such propagandas with disdain. Instead of defaming something you even don’t know, “Why don’t you try to learn good of it but you learn only with a malafide set intention. This is your hate filled mindset that is why, your young are leaving Church and it needs to harvest souls in India where Hindus are highly vulnerable lot in tribal and Adivasi belt. you lure them by every means and put a label on their head of Christ. Then use them against us once u build sufficient numbers just like these butcher Baghdadi clans. You even create these jihadis to support ur weapon industry and then kill them once they have served ur purpose like Saddam, Gaddafi, etc.
Oh you assume too much don’t you? While your at it have the pleasure to know that I am a Hindu atheist while my parents are religious Hindus. It’s just that they never tried to force their beliefs on me. I don’t know how my religion got into this picture. So yes I do know about Hinduism perhaps let’s meet up for debate on our sacred religion. Of course I’ll you mine stamp of Hinduism after you show me yours.
Thousands won’t but I trust your Goebbelsian truth . May God prevail on ur Machiavellian mind. Thank you. Love such bland impostors so bold that makes them truly unsuspecting.
Don’t need your any of you sanghi’s approval to call myself Hindu. I am a proud to call myself Hindu. There are 8 out 9 system in Hinduism which support atheism. Hinduism has never condemned heresy. Add that to depth of your knowledge about Hinduism. Machiavelli used his concept to describe sly cruel rulers not for common folks. Need a lesson in history?
For ur information, next WW III shall be fought on the coffins of warring religions. Like it or not but true. Wait n see.
what is new in all this . any body with common sense and observation can glean all this. but not hindu pigs. what matters to them the most is their castes. what happens to their religion does not matter to them as long as their castes are there.
Why pig? Are you a muslim? I personally find the pig and little piglets very appealing. So i dont mind being called pig. Go ahead if it makes you feel better. And as for castes, you are too caught up in abusing animals that you dont understand that caste is the lifeline by which hinduism lives. You protect caste you protect hinduism.
well indeed but do you know that this is also the reason that the most of the hindus are so hard to convert coz they are so freaking badly connected to the castes.. till the time hinduism remains, remains the castes and we are off the bloody evangeletic activities.. Kindly see that i am not in the favour of castism, but i adocate a systemetic equalisation which is in progress since out constiution has made the rules and regulation but not by changing the religion… a true follower is the one who sees the challanges in the system in changes that without using the barbaric methods or fleeing from the reality..:) Happy reading..:)
Lol, pot calling kettle black. Like ur designation of ‘hindu pigs’. At least an animal can be trusted but not a criminal christian crusader or an Islamist jihadi. Who has stains of bl00d on their hands for murdering more than two hundred innocent ppl, r@ped millions of hapless women and lot more good adjectives for your ancestors. You aren’t even worth calling an animal. One can domesticate animal but not Abrahamic criminals. They will backstab you despite any good u do to these barbaric desert scums. Perhaps not even worth a scum. Lol.
the guy you are replying to, did you see his name? He has a Hindu name and calling Hindus as pigs and also check his facebook link on his disqus profile which has photos of Indian Gods.
I have. Hence my befitting reply. He might be a chriisti pig.
Why r castes in Christians or Muslims too? You want to continue ur caste blurt to convert the lower caste innocent ppl by defaming Hindus. You scumbags r liars #1 devoid of any spiritual philosophy. Hence your church indulges in cheap defamation propagandas by maligning Hinduism in absence of any true ideology to preach. Is it any wonder that your youth in West are no longer going to church. That’s why, Vatican criminal sexiest brigade is turning towards India for harvesting souls or still better to purchase souls. Shame on you.
Who is hiding a sex offender criminal in their black house they call it proudly vat-i-can full of worms? Vatican must be censored for its criminal activities all over the world. Majority of their White racist P0pes have been always involved in some or the other kinds of crimes including your P0pe Pius XII who got six million Jews and two million Christians murdered inhumanly in the worst Holocaust this world might have witnessed. But you aren’t ashamed I know.
Hehe. What a foolish article. Nowadays anyone with a keyboard writes a article claiming to be the truth.
Nuncio means vaticans ambassador. How can a ambassador report to “communist party” in China.how foolish
The writer doesn’t even have a basic understanding of the different churches.confusing traditional churches and evangelical groups. Anyone who has little history knowledge will know it’s false.
Throw mud and see how much it sticks. That’s the motive of the article?
The author also said that the Nuncio was the Vatican ambassador. In China, the church does not have a free hand in conversion.
May be the mud throwing is your motive?
lol there is no Nuncio for China its only Chargés d’affaires and he sits in Taiwan not China…the article is just mud throwing.I see this site as anti christian than Indiafacts .
Well I learnt one important thing today ;-). China doesn’t have a Nuncio.
To be India Facts means to be anti-Christian.
What an absolute fool you are.
the religion of christianity is fake, false and Immoral by late Christopher Hitchen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA55jGyq2C8
I feel very sorry to each individual that have experienced Christianity the way this article teaches. If you want to know real Jesus and why His true followers travel to corners of the world to serve and share the good news and hope of Jesus, please refer to the only source of truth BIBLE. Every sect has twisted areas that are fruit of selfish desires and own motives. The only person that gains in knowing Jesus is You. Not for religion but for relationship with God.
No hate but Love and Peace. God bless.
Recently my “hindu” office boy was given mobile worth Rs. 13000 from your religion of love & peace. whats your opinion on that?
If he so proud Hindu he should have refused or you should have gift him I phone….
“Hindu” is in quotes.
the lies of Christianity exposed and you rapture is fake as christianity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02iQpxnxhw
What do I gain by knowing about a carpenter who lived in a faraway desert? I think I might learn more from my own people, no?
The concept of the inviolable book is central to these desert religions and makes people of all nations visit Israel and Arabia. It is just cultural colonialism.
I dont really get it that why one has to do it… why you cant really let people be in peace, the way they are.. Every fucking religion preaches peace thn why there is no peace?? coz you guys impose ur peace on the ones who are tolerant to u.. please stop this filthy practice, live and let live.. we wud be happy to believe in jesus and bible as a good man & book if people like you and the other money mongers wont come and ask us to forget our 5000 year plus culture and traditions to something exclusive.. what makes you think is that god is so exclusive tht only yours is the only god.. God cant be exclusive to a group of people if there is any god, and if he is exclusive to a group then he is not a God but he is a bloody government of division.. The true god is as per to Gita “I am one and only but i am not in just one shape or name or cuture, I show myself to my followers the way the almighty they want to see in” and this is what you call a true line of god which says tht everyone’s god is a god just with different names and shapes and features.. so is urs and please stop imposing the book and the God on us..
Very well written Sumedha Sarvadaman.
Please read this article: https://jesusisheaven.wordpress.com/
I am a Christian and belong to a missionary
family, I am telling you, this article
is absolutely baseless. A well scripted story based on the imagination of a
hateful mind. We are Indians as much as any Hindu. The saddest thing is that,
we have never seen such hatred for Christians while growing up. We all grew up
together in this nation with all our differences, but suddenly, what happened?
We hate each other like never before. I can write point by point from this
article to prove it wrong but that will take long time… So, I will rather choose
to share few important points and leave rest on God. May Love and Peace prevail
in my nation.
Amitabh Bachchan – Sherwood
College, Nainital
A. P.
J. Abdul Kalam – Saint Joseph’s College,
Tiruchirappalli
P.
Chidambaram – Madras Christian College Higher
Secondary School
Amitav Ghosh
– St. Stephen’s College, Delhi
Amartya Sen
– St Gregory’s School
L. K. Advani – Saint Patrick’s High School, Karachi
Naseeruddin
Shah – St. Anselm’s Ajmer and St Joseph’s College, Nainital
Abhishek
Bachchan – Bombay Scottish
School
Shah Rukh
Khan – St. Columba’s School
Sourav
Ganguli – St Xavier’s School’s
Rahul Dravid
– St. Joseph’s Boys High School and St. Joseph’s College, Bangalore.
V.V.S. Laxman – Little Flower High School
I did a small research and found so much… Here are
few renowned names from India who have studied and grown up in Christian
schools/colleges, learning about Jesus Christ for their whole life, yet didn’t
get converted to Christianity. Why? Because, these schools and missions are
built to provide a high-standard education to Indian children in lowest
possible fee, but not to convert them trickily, what some fundamentalists are
claiming these days, of course, for their own political ambition. However, speaking
about Jesus and sharing Bible is not converting, in fact, many non-Christian
schools teach about Jesus from the Bible. Also, everyone should know that all
these Christian schools run on foreign donations as well as Indian, which are
being used for the education of Indian kids from poor and middle class families,
which includes Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and equally all Christian and non-Christian
children. India might be economically better today because of the MNCs, but it
was not the same before, these schools were the only hope for parents who
wanted their children to get proper education. If India is shinning today,
after the invasion of various rulers from around the World, which includes the
Aryans, Mughals, British and all, it is largely because of these Christian organizations,
these schools and colleges never seized to produce gems like APJ Abdul Kalam or
Amitabh Bachchan, VVS Laxman or Indra Nooyi. Also, they never taught that women
should not go out in night or should not wear jeans!! My brothers and sisters
of India, respect good work, be honest, we owe a lot to these foundations,
which we can never repay. If these organizations and missions stop doing what
they do, over 15 millions lepers will come to our door step, millions of homeless,
needy and orphans will come on the streets and hundreds of millions kids from the
middle class and poor families will lose high-class education. Don’t listen to
the fundamentalists; they are no one’s friend, they won’t mind to destroy our
unity for their personal gain. I am saying this as an Indian, but not as a
Christian. Receiving Jesus is all about spiritual conversion, thats a purely
Godly affaire, only spiritual conversion makes someone a true believer and
follower of Christ Jesus, which happens in a Godly and supernatural way. I was
not immersed in Christ when the preachers told me about Jesus, they just guided
me to know Jesus properly, but the spiritual conversion happened only when
Jesus began to build a relationship with me, which can’t be explained in words.
As I said, it’s a purely Godly affair, human can never comprehend that, and
should not even try to!
the religion of christianity is fake, false and Immoral by late Christopher Hitchen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA55jGyq2C8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02iQpxnxhw
the lies of Christianity exposed by Richard Dawkins
If really these missionaries converted people as said in this article…there are thousands of educational institutes run by then and cores of people study in those institutes..if all of them converted then half of country wud have been christian…please stop spreading false message and divide
the country
Hitchens believed that everyone’s religion is false, fake and immoral. And I agree with him. When all forms of superstition, delusion and pseudoscience, regardless of what brand (i.e. religion) they are marketed under, have been discarded in favor of rationality and scientific thinking, real progress will be made.
Well you are a Christian and from a missionary family, so you better know that what you people are doing. My only question to you, Does your Religion require to go to other countries, especially India and China where there are lot of people and ask them to change there religion. If your religion and God is so powerful then people will automatically come to your religion. Many of you say that you are helping poor people by giving money or job or land, well that is a very good thing you guys are doing but why ask them to convert the religion on cost of giving the money. You people are just trying to break the unity among Indian Hindus. Because you know that they are very powerful and there religion is very powerful.
Hinduism converting all over the world too. Propageting and converting is a free right in any democratic country. Check this out: http://www.daijiworld.com/chan/exclusive_arch.asp?ex_id=2119
If we ask Indian students to read Bible in “Christian schools”, you call it converting, then what we should call this? Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4kdjHFBvd4&feature=youtu.be
More links how Hinduism is converting people in the whole world. Check this out: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/general-multimedia/17155-world-converting-hinduism-africa.html
What nonsense. How would India be before the Christians pillaged us and destroyed India’s educational institutions and then claimed to “save”? Try Japan, who did a much better job at driving missionaries out.
Christians are responsible for the genocides of natives and cultures throughout the world. India is simply the final assault.
You are a good man and a good christian.
The largest genocides in human history have been committed by Christians:
1. Genocide of 12 million native Indians on the American continent by Christian white settlers from Europe
2. Genocide of 6 million Jews in Europe done by Christian Hitler and the Nazi party
3. Genocide of Indians in bengal – 5.6 million Indians perished – Christian Winston Churchill
4. Genocide of 15 million Africans in Congo – by Belgian Christian King Leopold
5. Please read up the role of the Church in the genocide in Rwanda
Not sure how their relationship with Jesus helped these perpetrators of Genocide in this regard!
Excellent article….Superb!!!! hit the nail at ryt position!!!
Is there any point to only writing articles if it doesn’t translate into policy. This is an excellent article, but unless we can collectively force the BJP into passing anti-conversion laws, Hindus are doomed. The Hindu organizations cannot hope to merely educate the masses and hope they won’t convert . I live in Tamil Nadu where each and every cultural practice of the Hindus, be it Carnatic music, bharata natyam, even harikatha, is appropriated by Christians to spread their faith. I heard one Mr. Devanayagam talk of ancient Tamil Saivite scriptures being pre jesus Christianity (seriously). Not only is their public disdain for the Hindu point of, it has become fashionable to disparage every Hindu practice. Recently there was a tv show debating the necessity of the mangalsutra. It was being defended as free speech.
I agree. Fora such as Indiafacts should work to make the voice of India heard, and force the Government to act.
I request Indiafacts team to think about this.
Respectfully to you, please don’t get hurt but this general naivety in Hindu masses is their fodder. Today, any country that’s not in good book of US must be targeted. India’s Modi isn’t their favourite bit. US is trying to dominate the world and Church is working in tandem with US govt. US isn’t a democratic country, know it for sure. Do ur home work my dear to find more.
Naive as I am, I still comprehend that the US has a lot of control over most nations, but there is obviously a struggle or there wouldn’t need to be this kind of pressure on Modi and Hindus.
International relations, just like human relations, are complex and even the tiniest nation can, with patience and dexterity in foreign policy, negotiate with a large superpower like the US.
I was talking about the will to change first, not the challenges involved.
Exactly, I was speaking that will to change shall come with awareness. Only perhaps difference in understanding, not different in any case. Thank you.
You see, awareness in mass is first step for any policy making. Can’t you see these sick secular brigades crying on top of their criminal US head to malign us. hindus suffer5 because of their “chalataa hai” attitude and never bother for any ill done top them. Need is to open more n more educational institutions to spread the awareness.
I think this is what we should do -first and foremost, share this article on social media. two , in general, Hindus are indifferent when it comes to community service, we should and must start helping hindus (first ) and then other community folks without expecting any Ghar Wapasi from them. Basically three step approach – Stop (stop further conversions by exposing them using power of social media) Provide Immunity ( by starting more schools/hospitals for needy and having strong community service) and then propaganda- advertise the glorious Hindu culture
Simply forcing BJP into anti-conversion law will backfire ! The method to do this is similar to what Xtians have perfected over the last century or so ! Create a context for strong policy ! Xtian countries like US do that always – Iraq & Weapons of mass Destruction Or Vietnam, Korea, Russia & Communism ! Create a strong enemy and ur side automatically becomes strong ! We need to build a narrative against evangelism so that world (neutral countries at least) will agree with us ! Otherwise we will end up as the next Muslim enemy – always on the wrong side ! The first step is to collate all the relevant data and build a comprehensive database against their gimmicks !
With facts and exhaustive references, excellent Article. Very rare to find such on Outrage Industry’s pseudo news sites.
A lot of ignorance and assumption in the article. The overall picture remains the same attack Christians because you are incapable of confronting Islam. Hinduism survived for three reasons the resistance of the Hindu rulers and peoples the military victories of the sihks against Afghanistan and the victories of the British against the Muslim princes. Hindus are ungrateful for the contributions to others and this attitude towards Christianity is but one example.
north observer then spoke about sihks against Afghanistan and then stating British victory against the already dying muslim princely states.
your last account is total lie.
good peddle more lies which christianity teaches you.
Now we should be grateful to the British for governing us? I believe some voices in the pre Independence Congress would have agreed with you!
Islam and Christianity work in different ways, but are extremely alike. In fact, Islam views Jesus as a prophet. Mohammed is only seen as the last prophet in the line, that’s all.
Both “religions ” have served well to make the colonials rich and powerful.
It’s not a question of gratitude for being ruled by others, no people can embrace that, but what mental attitude you take into the future has consequences. I am always amazed at how much of a difference this can make. Let’s take Algeria and Vietnam as two former French colonies with bloody liberation struggles. The Algerians are bitter and self obsessed with France, while the Vietnamese have moved on and don’t think too much about it Guess which country is thriving and which is backward and struggling. I just think it would be sad to see India, which is one of the World’s great cultures, embrace this embittered, vindictive and vengeful attitude as a matter of intellectual orthodoxy. It’s a dead end.
As for the Islam and Christianity, Islamic propaganda would have that they extremely alike, that has been the line since 700 AD and from a Hindu perspective revealed religion may all look alike but if you read the texts you become aware very quickly that what Islam offers and expects from its believers is completly different for what Christianity offers and expects from theirs. And Christianity has no concept of Jihad, rulers have been happy to use God as a justification for conquest (just like hindu princes) but there is no command for violent conquest and despoiling of non believers that exists in orthodox sunni islam. In fact Christianity seems to “work” best when it does not hold power and power does not use its authority, but that is another conversation.
Good article.. Thanks for the truth.. God bless u and keep going. We are with you
A brilliant and incisive analysis of what the Lord’s faithfuls are up to in India. A pretence of victimization, magnifying insignificant incidents , false sense of persecution ,sexual perversions,insubordination by Christian govt. servants …… These are some of the bogies being put forth by the leaders of this Christian faith which needs to be countered by the govt. There is a pattern to this orchestrated campaign against the majority population , to paint them in demonic colors and picturise them as blood-thirsty beings. All Hindus , beware !!!!
Wonderful article , may the Hindu word Enlighten .
Grt article, a small point. China despite being Communist has seen its Confucious, Buddha and Communism getting consumed by the Catholic propaganda. Warning bells for India.
A well summarized article. The number of incidents are profuse and defy the covers of a book. So, the only serious criticism coud be the lack of comprehensiveness. Consider the Hanuman Jayanathi Yatra, April 2015 where 19 Hindus were killed and nearly a hundred injured by a Moslem acid attack which was entirely covered up by the media and Government as were the All India Ramzan Riots of 2012, the Ethnic Cleasning of Kashmir in 19999 and the Moslem Rape and Video Gangs that roam in Bangalore under the protection of Moslem Police Officers and the secular media and cabinet. Hinduism is no longer Hinduism. The Sepoy Mutiny was
led by Brahmins and supported by Moslems. after the First World War the Indian
Political Service launched “Divide to Rule”. The British saw better than today’s
“Hindus” that “Hinduism” was nothing but myriad religions wrapped around a core
of Brahmanism by the notions of Karma and Dharma. In 1921 they launched a canard
against Brahmins via the Justice Party (which gave birth to the “Dravids”) and
pomulgated on ordinance through their stooge Rao Bahadur Sir Patro the Dalit
Oriyan Zamindar who they appointed as Chief Minister of the Madras Presidency to
discriminate against Brahmins in all walks of life including education,
employment, court cases, land ownership and so on,which continues to echo till
today. The Brahmins were easily identified by their culture and had neither
power nor wealth, so it was easily accomplished. They then recognized Non-Hindus
such as Dalits to be Hindus and co-parceners in the Congregational Temple
Welfare System. This met with resistance from the Non Brahmin Hindus who
actually controlled and therefore constructively owned the temples and common
land. and wealth. So, they nationalized the heritage Temples, swamping the
Hindus. With the Brahmin soul of religious guidance and leadership discredited
and persecuted, religion became what the Government said it was and the courts
permitted. In 1949, the Indian Republic, as a surrogacy of the British Raj,
continued this “Four legs good, two legs bad” policy by drafting a grandiose and
meaningless preamble to the Government of India Act (1935) and inserting
inequality under law and exceptions to the rule of law to conjure up a
“Constitution”. In 1959, the Republic nationalized the temples throughout the
“Union” including the erstwhile Princely States. So, instead of temple wealth
being used for the education, health and welfare of those who were Hindus in
1921, it is now used for the welfare of Dalits, Churches, Mosques, Madrassas and
Haj pilgrimages. While the annual Karthikay Deepam is banned at an ancient
Subramanya Temple because a mosque has come up within a few Kilometers,
illegally amplified Aazan ricochets through every Hindu home five times a day.
While Jallykatt is banned for “Animal Cruelty”, Halal is celebrated in every
Moslem Home. Today “Hinduism” is driven by notions of Khilafat Gandhi, Dalits,
Communists, Secularists, Rationalists, Atheists and worse. i.e. the Government
and Courts of the Indian Republic. Crores are plundered from the temples for the
pelf, pleasure, pomp, perpetuation and perversions of India’s ruling scum. To
survive, there must be a “Hinduism”. Effectively “Hinduism” was brought to an
end by the Indian Republic pursuing the policies of the British and their
surrogates from Periyar, to Khilafat Gandhi and Jabberlal Nehru.
Excellent comment except for one issue – why on earth would Hindus inflict the despicable cruelty of the obscenely commercialised jallikattu simply because Hindus in politics and Bar and Judiciary do not have the spine to ban halal?
Have you, personally, witnessed a Jelly Kattu, or are you speaking like a typical Indian Supreme Court or High Court Justice who is as ignorant of reality as of the English Language and words such as secular, democracy, vandalism, hinduism and, most articularly, their meaning? I have watched Jallykattu as a young boy and several times since then.
You grew up watching jallikattu. This is like a butcher’s child watching his/her father killing animals for a living. You are de-sensitised to pain. You see it as something, I see it as something else.
Thank you for the compliment. Now, have you ever seen Jallykattu or not?
Have you seen rape? And the slaughter of animals in slaughter-houses? Does one have to see something with one’s own eyes to hold the position that it is wrong or evil?
So your beliefs and reliance on “secular” propaganda about Jallykattu is more true to you then an eye witness account because it suits your political proclivities to dismiss the eye witness as the “son of a butcher”. Congratulations! You just qualified to be a member of India’s higher judiciary.
You have not answered my question. And being a member of India’s higher judiciary is an honour, not something to scoff at.
Radha Rajan, I have been watching Jallikattu for many years. Trust me, the bull does not stay in the arena for more than 10 seconds. The amount of time it takes to zip from the gate to exit path is not more that 10 seconds, and some time even less. The bull is not mauled or cut or thrashed or dismembered. It is tamed, with only one person being allowed to catch its hump. Some times, we have two to three people trying to tame it at one shot, but ultimately there is only one person who runs with it.
So, what is your objection in this?
Also, you need to get the facts right about our judiciary.
The Judicary will be most delighted that you imagine so. Both Justice Ramaswamy and Justice Dinakaran will lead the pack that will wish to exalt you in the annals of India’s gullible. Your question was answered but you are not sensitive enough, being qualified to be an Indian “Justice”, to perceive it.
I dont get it why you all are fighting over off topic..
Absolutely. See how quickly the subject got shifted to Jallykattu by a “Hindu” who knows nothing about it other than hear say from convented secularists! This is, in many ways, a prototype of why Hindus are nothing.
Correction. You raised jallikattu.
If a fellow hindu raises his concern over his personal culture and identity than we shdnt bewilder him/her dear friend.. you also know that, we have loads of differences not only in the culture and language but also the way we treat each other.. especially this aryan and dravadian devision is very huge, thn we have north south devide, thn we have states maharastrian and tamilnadu and thn languages tamil and telagu, and thn socio economic differences.. if we all will fight even on the topics related to local traditions which are deffinietly alien to each other as it has to be and which also makes us the most tolerant religious population of the world but only to other religions and invaders but to each other we are venomous..
I raised about which I am personally aware in a particular and apposite context. You dispute this on the firm basis of your ignorance, assumptions, imagination and peer beliefs. You are truly absurd . Every whit a fit and proper person to be a member of India’s Higher Judiciary.
Ok for you both i would like to add that, this must be a misread concept by people who have no idea of it, however it is also shows the vast division btwn us, which is basically we need to part in order to become something from nothing.. And the something fr me is to defend our respective culture and identities.. which also comprises all such local sports, rituals, festivals.. I hope you agree on that?
Respectfully gentleman, “I admire your power of stretching ur thoughts meandering from Jallikattu to SC/HCs. Really admirable. Have you heard the Spanish Bull Fights? Is it any different from it?
I have seen Jallykattu, I have had the misfortune to witness Halal. I have not seen a Spanish Bull Fight. But a Jallykattu is worlds different from the videos I have seen of Spanish Bull fights on You Tube. So, I cannot answer your question. But I maintain every word I have written. Jallykattu does not comprise cruelty to animals. India’s less than erudite, prejudiced and ill informed higher judiciary is as much a cruelty to those dismissed as “caste” Hindus” and India’s pre Moslem, pre-Christian and pre-British traditions and culture as India’s grotesque Constitution and laws.
If you look at, Hindus are not majority by any sense as being divided in so many factions. Consider it diligently.
India is notorious for manufacturing politically convenient mythology. to
eradicate History and truth. In 2013, Parliament unanimously removed pieces of
truth from the Govt approved NCAERT text books! That same Parliament that made
“retrospective laws” conceived by the present President of India unanimously
also included several current Ministers! It is a Non-Partisan and Universal
Indian malaise. I have already referred to it above. Here is a compressed
extract of the Shroutha Smartha (my religion) traditional History as I have
received and understood it:
The nomadic, pastoral, bracycephalic, ruddy
complexioned, non-proselytizing Aryans were Brahmins (worshipers of Brahma) with
an advanced law, astronomcal-navigational, and military science but without
agriculture or architecture, who held the Sun to be the living idol of Brahma
and all of nature to be his temple, originated from Central Asia. The Dravids or
Druids were tall, fair, encycephalic, semites, with advanced agricultural and
architectural skills from Mesopatamia, they are the polytheist, idolatrous
Lilith (Lalitha) worshiping lost tribes of Israel who refused to bend their knee
to the jealous, androgynous God of Abraham and worshiped Vishnu, Shakthi, and
Shiva and also experimented with the Kabala that had its origins in Brahmanism.
Harried by the Aryans as well as their own apostates who had embraced Yahweh,
the Druids scattered from the Ur civiilization in Mesopatamia. (Ur is prototyal
word for City, Town or Village in many parts of contemporary India) Some of them
entered the Indo-Gangetic plain, over laying the Negroids who worshiped
Ganapathi, Kali and various forms of Mother Goddesses and among other things,
created the Indus Valley Civilization contemporaneous with the Aryan Rig Vedic
and Shukla Yajur Vedic periods. The Aryans (the noble or “those who know” the
Prathamo Upanishad or the “Covenant of Brahma” given to their patrilineal
ancestors, the Saptha Rishis) then over laid the Druids and settled in the
Indo-Gangetic Plain, exacting tribute (the fruit of the agricultural and
architectural skills of the Druids). The Chief of these Aryas. Bharatha, entered
into a treaty with Arya Mihira, the Chief of the tribes of Central Asia that
protected the Indo-Gangetic Plain from further invasions in return for tribute.
Simultaneously, a “one for all and all for one” treaty of laws and code of
chivalry was entered into by all the Aryan Chiefs in the Indo-Gangetic plain.
Here began the joyous tones of the Krishna Yajur Veda fueled by plenty and
welded the Aryans of the Indo-Gangetic plains into a formidable force that kept
India free of invasions and adventurers including other Aryan tribes till Ashoka
dismantled the treaty of Bharatha. The Krishna Yajur Veda was succeeded by the
decadence of the Sama Veda that gave rise to classical Indian music.
Subsequently, the Atharva Veda included Dravidian agriculture, temple worship,
architecture and so on through the Agama (that which came from outside)
Shastras. This saw the formation of the Dravido-Aryan civilization with the
Dravidians and Aryans freely inter marrying till Ashoka drove Brahmanism
together with the Vedas, Guru Kulas, and Brahma Suthras under ground, and
destroyed and looted the temples and other Dravido-Aryan institutions,
persecuting them in revenge for having been declared an out caste. This ossified
the caste system. Till today, orthodox Brahmins look down on the Atharva Veda
without really knowing why. Adi Shankaracharya revived Sanskrit, and wove the
various religions into the Panchayatana (the five deities) comprising the Aryan
Sun (idol of Brahma), and merging the Aryan Narayana with the Druid Vishnu, the
Aryan Shankara and Rudra with the Druid Shiva, the Aryan Sandhya, Savithri,
Gayathri and Sraswathi with the Druid Lalitha, Lashmi, and Parvathi with the
tribal Mother Godess into Durga Parameshwari and included the tribal Ganapathi.
This might be the origin of “Sanathana Dharma”.That the culture, religions and
civilization managed to survive and procreate here though eradicated in the
places of origin was due to the treaty of Bharatha and the long period of
stability enjoyed by the Indo-Gangetic Plain and because of this, in the lands
South of the Vindhyas which also aped many of the Dravido-Aryan cultural, social
and legal aspects though osmosis and beyond into South East
Asia.
Subsequently, we had the dark ages of Islamic rule. Comparatively
balmy British rule and then the darkest age of the “Indian” Republic that have
confused the matter thoroughly for political convenience.
The confusion has
been fomented by western educated revisionists of the British period who are now
venerated as beatified authorities, their intellectual and political
descendants, such as the strident “Dravid-Dalits”, the Marxists and the
“Rationalist-Scientists” who brandish DNA to beunk the theory of racial purity
that was never claimed in the first place; the hostility of the Republic to all
politically inconvenient truths and History, and the fact that no History or
Knowledge was written till the Atharva Veda Period and that there were long
periods when the Shroutha-Smartha (heard and remembered) Brahmin tradition was
driven underground through persecution by Ashoka, other invaders and the
Moslems.
Fundamentally the devolution of Brahma (the one) into the
pantheon arises from the reasonable premise that Brahma operates his creation
through an organisation. In the Brahmanical i.e. Non Puranic, Vedic tradition,
Brahma is not part of a trinity. From Brahma comes his light Mitra who together
with his fluid Varuna and matter Aryama form the cosmos. Mitra forms and
sustains 12,000 types of Suns. From the Sun comes his light Savitur (father)
comprising the three Gunas of Virinchi (creative etc), Narayana (sustaining etc)
and Shankara (transcreative etc), who, as light, warmth etc (Sandhya), life etc
(Savitri), sound etc (Gayatri) and knowledge etc (Sarasvathi) forms and sustains
life here in unison with water (Aapa) and soil (Bhu) the two mothers: On this
planet, the officers of Brahma resolve themselves into the guardians of the Ten
directions (Agni, Vayu, Yama, Niruruthi, Varuna, Kubera, Indra, Rudra, Virinchi
and Narayana) which are all forces of nature. The Druid deities of Lalitha,
Shiva and Vishnu who preceded Yahweh and Abraham in Mesopotamia and came to
India took root in the Indus Valley civilization and elsewhere, When the Druid
skill of architecture and agriculture entered the Vedas via the Agama Shastras,
in the Atharva Veda period,
In the AryanBrahmin Vedic construct, Tantra
(Methodology and techniques), Mantra (Encapsulated concept) and Yantra (Tools)
are equally essential ingredients for any Sadhana (practice) of any discipline
from governance to warfare to spirituality. That Tantra has come to be used as a
justification for various pre Aryan and pre-Dravdian negroid practices and has
captivated the imagination of alien observers beginning with Arthur Avalon and
has resulted in an original conceptual vocabulary that has taken over the
narrative is typical of most contemporary views (or misconceptions) about
“Hinduism”. After Ashoka destroyed the Dravido-Aryan temples and Guru Kulas and
drove Brahmanism under ground, Adi Shankara, whose ancestors had fled to the
deep South to escape persecution by Ashoka, revived Sanskrit, the Vedas, the
Brahma Sutras and amalgamated the Aryan Rudra-Shankara with the Druid Shiva, The
Aryan Narayana with the Druid Vishnu, the Aryan
Sandhya-Savitri-Gayatri-Saraswathi and the Druid Lakshmi-Parvathi-Lalitha, with
the tribal-negroid Kali; with the tribal-negroid Ganapathi, and with the Aryan
Sun (or the living idol of Brahma) into the Panchayathana. Not all subscribed to
this, and various archetypal religions and their derivatives from human
sacrifice, necrophagy and cannibalism to Vasihnavism, Shaivism and Shaktaism
continued to flourish to this day. After this, the Moslem invasions added to a
chaos that has become utter and complete after 1947 with the nationalization of
Temples and the extermination of Brahmanism. However, the various resultant
indigenous religions, wrongly dismissed as “Hinduism” (which is actually a
defunct nationality) resolve themselves into a five by five matrix. The 64
“Tantras” or methodologies resolve into the five principal ordinates of
Kaulacharya, Vamacharya, Samayacharya, Dakshinacharya and Shivaacharya while the
philosophical orientations resolve themselves into five principal co-ordinates
of Dwaita, Vishista Dwaitha, Adwaitha, Shaankhya and Shoonya. With any number of
deities (Ishta Devathas) to choose from . The notions of Karma and Dharma,
though, which originated in the Prathamo Upanishad has been passed down father
to son, in secrecy, since the Saptha Rishis (Seven Sages- the ancestors of the
Aryas) received it from Brahma and was the sole double helix that bound what
used to be known as “Hinduism” until as recently as 1921 when the British
swamped the Hindus by including Non-Hindus (Dalits etc.) as Hindus to eradicate
Brahmanism and the congregational temple welfare system and so break the back of
what they (and their successors, the Indian Republic) thought was “Hinduism”,.
I just post an extract here:
“India is notorious for manufacturing politically convenient mythology. to
eradicate History and truth.”
I feel that India is nothing if you peruse the ignoble history of these Abrahamics, only lies, crimes, gender humiliation etc are their basic traits. Yes, India being the most persecuted country (US say so), such influences are bound to take place but are nowhere near to these criminals who purport to excel in revelling that they ruled us. They didn’t rule but looted us. They also looted us of our culture.
most of the things written in that extract above are hogwash.
Anybody raised on the “Four legs Good, Two Legs Bad”, Orwellian liturgy of the PANGOLIN*s would find an incontrovertible panorama of Historic events deeply disturbing. Their only recourse is denial or an appeal to the Politically Convenient “Sensitivity” PANGOLINs. It is rather like having grown up to believe that Milk is made by Plastic Cans in a factory and that Beef grows in plastic trays in Super Market shelves, and then, feeding a cow, patting it, seeing it milked and then slaughtered for beef. I have long held that words like “nonsensical”, “rant” , “hog wash” and so on are the first recourse of those who have been requested to retake their Kindergarten Examinations.
*Note: PANGOLIN: An enemy of India who believes in inequality under law, exceptions to the rule of law and persecution of some for the benefit of others. At present, the sole purpose of the Indian Republic, Constitutional or otherwise, is to pamper and provide for certain constitutionally preferred sections of society who the British found useful to hold and exploit India at the cost of those who the British hated and persecuted. The Pangolin is a creature that is unique to India and feeds on ants that are known in nature to be industrious and hard working if not quite as fruitful as bees who flee to better climes. (PANGOLIN is an acronym for the Periyar-Ambedkar-Nehru-Gandhi-Other (alien) Religions-Communist Consensus that usurped the British Mantle and has worn it with elan to loot, plunder, and rape India since 1921 and re write History and laws to their exclusive benefit since 1947
Aryans didnt come from Central Asia.From Brahmins to Shudras, common gotras.
The Out of India Theory- Part 1 Chronology of the Rigveda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J63Udr_cuaA
The Aryan Invasion Theory- Part II Textual Evidence and Archaeology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2tWy9WJ7mw
The Aryan Debate : 200 Years Old Question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPaCUJsZyPU
Humbug. The response of a truly brainwashed Indian. Brahmins by religion, irrespective of Varna are patrilineal descendants of the Gothra Rishis. Brahmins “by caste” and others derive their Gothras from those of the presiding Acharya or Adhyapaka of the Guru Kula or Pathashala where they were intitiated and inducted into the Vedic system. The Druhyus entered the Guru Kulas in the Atharva Veda peirod after the great Civil War at Kurukshetra broke Aryan Power, with Varna mobility thereafter. The temples and Guru Kulas were destroyed by Ashoka bringing Varna mobility to an end.
How will you have archaeological proof of a nomadic, pastoral, multi racial people? Even after they integrated with the Druhyu (Dasyus) after the Civil War of Kurukshetra, whatever temples and universities they created were destroyed by Ashoka. The only proof is the oral tradition of the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa that is corroborated by linguistic traditions and genetics found all over the world.
What is Aryan Invasion Theory? It seems to be something that Neo-Integrationists or, “Gen Next” Jabberlal Neckscrews have drummed up as ar Redicsovery of India? I am classically educated in Sasnkrit and subscribe to Shrotuha Smartha Ithihasa. I personally think that those who have not had a classical Sanskrit education and are busy trying to remove the words Brahmin and Arya from the Indian dictionary or, to recast them in consonance with or in opposition to the Periyar-Ambedkar-Nehru-Gandhi-Imported Relgion-Communist consensus should not be tampering with the History of the Druido-Aryan civilization of the Indian Subcontinent.
All allusions to an Aryan Invasion theory are baseless because there could not have been any “invasion” when there were no “nations”.. The intoxicating Soma integral to some Rik Vedic rituals is juice crushed from a creeper that grows along the highlands bordering the Aryan stamping grounds from East Prussia to Mongolia and is not available in the Indian sub continent. What does DNA prove? That there is no racial purity. Racial purity was never posited in the first place. The Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa states very clearly that after the Mahabharatha War, the Idolatrous, agricultural, temple worshipping Druids who originated in Mesopotamia and the Caucasian to Mongoloid nomadic, war like pastoral Aryas of the Eurasian steppes who had settled in the Indo-Gangetic Plain under the treaty of Bharatha, exacting tribute from the Druids, inter married after the Mahabharatha War and that the agricultural, architectural and temple worshipping methodologies entered the Vedas as the Aagama (that which came from outside) Shastras of the Atharva (the chronologically last or fifth) Veda. The Vedic Period that came to an end with Ashoka’s fratricidal war and tyranny that put an end to the Treaty of Bharatha. Legends see many counter migrations out of what is now known as India. After the Mahabharatha War there was a great Exodus of Aryans from the Indo Gangetic Plain towards Europe with written Sanskrit. Sanskrit is still spoken in Lithuania but with an entirely different script and accent. After Ashoka’s genocide and persecution of Brahmanism many went as far as the Urals and beyond while some, like Adi Shankara’s ancestors, escaped to the deep South. Again during the Islamic invasions, many slaves were transported to the Middle East and Europe. The Romanis are descendants of those who escaped from Islamic slavers and plunderers. So, really given the time scale, the geographic scale and the many migrations inwards and outwards, what conclusive “scientific” proof is there? Precisely what does this prove or disprove? All available data fits in to the Shroutha Smartha Ithihasa and none contradicts it. THEORIES constructed out of selective or limited (in time and space) data contradict the Ithihasa. The earliest written (inscriptions) in Sanskrit are found in the remains of the Mitani Kingdom in Northern Syria (!500 – 1350 BC) in the Tigris-Euphrates Basin. Ofcourse, Sanskrit had NO written script in the nomadi,c pastoral Rik Vedic and Shukla Yajur Vedic Period when all knowledge was passed in the Shroutha (Heard) Smartha (remembered) tradition, but borrowed Devnagiri from a conquered Agricultural and Architectural civilization in the Krishna Yajur Veda Period. There is worship of theDruido-Aryan trinity in Yugoslavia since before the advent of Christianity there.
The Rik Veda evolved in the Aryan Grazing grounds between East Prussia and Mongolia. They had interactions with agricultural civilizations all around them and, therefore, cultural influence when they raided them for food during times of Kshama (scarcity) for themselves. The Druids of ancient Ur escaped their harrying as well as their own apostates who had embraced Yahweh and migrated all over. Some of them brought, agriculture, architecture etc (i.e. civilization) to the Indo-Gangetic Plains. Some Aryans followed them, conquering them during the Shukla Yajur Veda Period (invention of Archery, Chariot use in warfare). During the Krishna Yajur Veda Period, they settled under the treaty and laws of Bharatha. They exacted tribute from the Dasyus (Druids) in terms of agricultural and archtiectural produce and other forms of labour. This led to the decadence of the Sama Veda period. This led to the Mahabharatha War. This civil war broke Aryan hegemony giving rise to the Athrava Veda Period when the Dasyus and the Aryas inter married, the Shudra Varna entered the Guru Kulas and a great number of Aryas migrated back to their home lands and beyond. The Atharva Veda (Vedic period) came to an end when Ashoka destroyed the Druido-Aryan temples and dismantled the Gurukulas (thereby putting an end to Varna Mobility) in revenge for being declared an outcaste by the Supreme Council of Kashi when he contravened the treaty of Bharatha that established the consensus of Ashwamedha Yajna during the Krishna Yajur Veda period in place of the Rik Vedic Rajasooya where the heads of opposing kings are offered in the sacred fire by the victor. Ashoka waged war on his fellow Aryas (like the US waging war on NATO). At this time too a great number of Druido Aryas migrated to the North and the North West from India. Markers, there is no older structure than Saranath in Ashoka’s former empire. The back lash to Ashoka’s tyranny destroyed Budhism is India together withn the Ashoka Chakra with which Ashoka replaced the Swastika of Aryavartha Dharma whereas, Budhism prospers in South East Asia and Japan with the Swastika emblazoned on Budhist temples. Adi Shankara whose ancestors fled deep South to escape Ashokan persecution revived Sanskrit and the Brahma Sutras. .
“India is a complete mix of Asian and European genetic components. The Caucasus hunter-gatherer ancestry is the best match we’ve found for the European genetic component found right across modern Indian populations,” – http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/fourth-strand-of-european-ancestry-originated-with-hunter-gatherers-isolated-by-ice-age#sthash.XYiQWXRy.dpuf
I dont care about Asoka, he was the second biggest scumbag after Buddha whose Rule affected the practice of the Vedic Rituals of Indians. And as a proponent of Buddhism, he made India susceptible to numerous invasions(the first happened during his reign that too by Greeks to whom he had sent peace emissaries). Every Buddhist Majority Regions(Afghanistan, Region around Bihar and Bengal) was destroyed by islamic invaders and the Last one, Tibet was lost to China.
I) Untouchability
Aryan Hegemony was broken because the Vedic Brahmins lost all Intellectual ground to Buddha whose philosophy through Asoka destroyed the Chanakya dream/vision/idea of India.
Inter Marriage has nothing to do with weakening Aryans because Intermarriage between Vedic Tribes and the surrounding Tribes has been happening thousands of years prior to that because many of concepts appearing in later portions of Rgveda were apparently borrowed from the Religious Concepts of other surrounding tribes.
Fact:The concept of Untouchability is not unique to India.
My theory: Like various other Civilization like Japan and China, India’s untouchability was because brahmins, vaishyas(money lenders, merchants) tried to shun various segments in society whose survival was dependent on killing animals,herding animals, creating leather, fishing, eating meat. menial jobs, waste sewage management whom they started considering as inferior thus introducing original rigidity in the caste system.
Had muslims not Invaded India, there would not have been a rigid caste system that is presently practiced in India. The present rigidity as witnessed in India is because of islamic invasion where the Indian society as a whole was more concerned about its survival than bringing in reformations.
II) Effects of Buddhism on India
738 CE(A.D.): The Battle of Rajasthan – where a coalition of Rajput kings and the South Indian Emperor Vikramaditya II of the Chalukya dynasty, and other small Indian kingdoms. defeated the tide of Arab conquest from India and thus blunted the wave of Jihad from India for a further 300 years. Arabs were never able to Conquer India. And the North Indian Kings kept on strengthening Buddhism by giving patronage to Buddhists.
1033 CE . The Battle of Bhairach – where a Rajput army under Raja Sukhdev surrounded and slaughtered the Ghaznavid Turk army under Salar Masud Ghaznavi thus avenging themselves on their bitter enemies. they Beheaded every turk in that battle. But the ideology of Buddhism affected their follow through plans.
1191 CE. The First Battle of Tarain – where Muhamad Ghori(one of the many raped children created from Buddhist to islam Afghanistan) was defeated and captured by Prthviraj Chauhan
Buddhism made North India weak but the Marathas of South Western region of India reclaimed India back from the muslim rulers and ended the muslim Rule reducing the mighty mughals into mere vassals.
British were able to colonize India only because they interfered in the ongoing Hindu-muslim war (500-600 years), which was never their(british) war to begin with, that too when the tides were turning in Maratha’s Favor who had received a major setback and were severely weakened after the 3rd Battle of Panipat.
British interference in India is the actual reason behind the present day crisis of International Islamic terrorism.
Another reason is Europe went through Age of Enlightenment whereas all the Universities in India were destroyed by muslims sending India into a dark age worse than Europe.
Nehru(Brahmin) was a muslim @ssl!cking dhimmi due to jealousy tried to put down Ambedkar(Shudra) in every which way possible turning him vehemently anti-Brahmin. Brahmin Nehru jealousy stemmed from the fact that Dalit Ambedkar had completed Post Graduation from Columbia University. Dalits would not have been Dalits today, had there been a reformation period instead of continuous struggle for survival.
Keep the scumbags viz. Buddha, Asoka. Nehru, Gandhi, Periyar and Ambedkar out of this discussion because I hate them more than you do. You can cite Asoka and Buddha if they are really important to the discussion.
So on to the important Discussion about the Aryan Homeland which is India.
Important: Do watch the first 2 videos I have linked in my previous Reply.
The Central-Asian/South-Russian aryan theory has been debunked by Mr. Shrikant Talageri using the Linguistic(a Scientific Proof) similarities in nomenclature between Mesopotamia, Mitani Kingdom and North India(Indus Valley) which goes onto indicate the travel route taken by the Aryans(Indians).
One of the many Names of India is Aryavarta and Hinduism is the continuation of Brahmanism(not brahminism).
The identity of soma creeper is unknown and debated among scholars so your above statement is not factual.
Mr. Shrikanth Talageri uses Michael Witzel,the present proponent of aryan invasion theory, proofs against his aryan invasion theory citing only Rgveda which also form the basis of his Out of India Theory.
You are just making wild accusations and baseless theories without citing any Evidence about Brahmins escaping to Urals.
India as is North India(Indus Valley) is the original Aryan Homeland. Aryans migrated to Europe in west introduced Agriculture and Animal Husbandry there.
You will also find European gods sharing similarities with Vedic Gods with them. You will find Indra becoming Zeus in Greece and Odin in Norse religion in the Nordic regions.
I’ve seen all these videos earlier and read all of Shri Talageriss works. Shrikant Talageri is very clever chap, very logical – and his arguments are very well made when he speaks, but for some reason his books appear very combative.
I personally have gone through tomes on materials (some of the texts in original, Pargiter, Pradhan, Kazanas etc) and based on genealogy/ relative & absolute chronology, synchronism, I am convinced that Mbh war happened in 1150 BCE and Ramayana events around 1625 BCE – have not considered any astronomical references. Beyond that synchronism becomes tough – but even then we are looking at early dates like 3200 BCE (or more) for the beginning of recorded ancient Indian historical tradition – which corresponds to early Harappan phase in terms of contemporaneity.
And in one respect I agree with Shri Aiyar – the Rig Veda early phase is focused on the solar divinity, Sun God – I find Shri Kapali Sastry’s views very appealing.
And now a controversial / contentious opinion – I also very firmly believe that if one were to meditate (in bold) on the Rig Veda and looks into its very core, he/ she may get glimpses of earlier layers/ symbolisms, which Shri Aurobindo often talked about – that unraveling needs to happen within. I am trying to work on that,but I am an insignificant being and making little progress.
Finally I also believe that the caste system is a myth – it is a fraud of the highest magnitude perpetuated on Indians, whose origins can be traced back to 1800 Lord Risley race experiments and prior to that the repeated Moslem invasions. Brahmins have been an indpendent group of people like Jains, and would have been so. Instead Brahmins sect got clubbed with Pandits and Pujaris within jatis, and gave rise to Brahmin caste. True Brahmins are a very rare species today – but anyway thats neither here nor there.
I really enjoyed your narrative and I could relate to the parts after Ashoka. It always struck me as strange, why we have no monuments before Ashoka, and the answer is obvious that being the genocidal maniac that he was he would have destroyed all such Hindu monuments, and would have spread his chakra everywhere.
If you ever happen to publish a book with all your findings/ hypothesis, please do let me know.
Shall do.
Apparently the Chakra symbol also doesn’t belong to Ashoka. He had borrowed/appropriated it from the Samhkya philosophy, another Hindu school of Thought as the concept of Chakravarti(universal ruler who turns the wheel) is in fact much older than Ashoka, and the 24-spoked wheel can also be read in other older sources of the Sankhya philosophy’s worldview, with the central Purusha and the 24 elements of
Prakrti(Nature)
Thanks for the information. Ashoka was a genocidal maniac – he was no different from later day tyrants like Mahmud Gahzni, Bakhtiyar Khilji, Akbar, Babur and all the savage desert ud-dins and so on. My red flag was raised that day when I re-read Nehru’s work and found out his fulsome praise for Ashoka.
read my other reply to Suchindranath Aiyer. You will understand my opinion on Asoka as well as Buddha.
Casteism together with religious, gender and linguistic discrimination is enshrined in the Indian Constitution and laws. Those who claim to be against “caste” are those who wish to take advantage of what the Constitution and laws steal for them from the “caste” Hindus, but at the same time, want to included among their victims by the prey.
Agree. I always maintain that caste in India, (not just Hindus) is perpetrated by two major forces: 1. Indian corrupt mean politicians for vote bank politics. 2. Christians who want to practice soft proselytisation (compare Islam using hard crimes) by defaming Hinduism. They have no positive spiritual philosophy to advance. Hence use backdoor method of malignant defamation tactics. Hence caste, monkey God, lingum, etc are their major tools in innocent poorly informed tribal belts.
Sir, I acknowledge your intellectual capabilities and wisdom. But I have just one objection to your discourse. I am of considered opinion that caste system is greatly responsible for the decadence and degeneration of Hindu Dharma. I firmly believe that the abject subjugation and persecution of our own so called Dalit brothers over the centuries has had a demeaning effect on the entire religion. A Dalit, is also our brother, and so, he should not be put to social ridicule and ignominy. Through this post, I would like to acknowledge the immense contribution of our Dalit brothers in our cultural and social history. Just imagine, despite being subjected to persecution and tyranny, a large section chose to remain within the fold of Hindu religion, despite the fact that the followers of Abrahamic religions lured them, intimidated them and influenced them. Yes some section was proselytized, yet large section remained and dutifully and relentlessly followed their social chores and served the society with great alacrity and without complaints or demur. If the Hindu Dharma has to survive the onslaught of Christianity and Islam, it is incumbent that we come out of the antediluvian principles of Jati Pratha and unite in letter and spirit.
You are quite right. The caste System that was created and embedded in the Indian Constitution in 1949 and the subsequent laws have created “Many Nations”. I am a Fifth Class citizen of an India that has created these many nations
with inequality under law and exceptions to the rule of law in the
Constitution and laws. First Class is IAS, IPS, MLA, MP, SC, ST, Second Class is B.C., OBC, MBBS, LLB, Moslem, Christian etc. Third Class is B.Tech, MBA,
Corporator, Police Inspector etc., Fourth Class is Non Brahmin Hindu.
Fifth Class is Brahmin. My daughter was refused admission in Medical College with 96% marks in
2007 because she is a Brahmin. The lowest marks admitted that year was
47%. She teaches robotics in Germany now. I declined the NDA (1970), IPS
(1973) and IMA (Direct Entry 1975) because I refuse to take an oath to
uphold India’s grotesque and ugly Constitution. Almost all my cousins
are now US citizens, German Citizens, Australian Citizens and even
British Citizens. My only mistake was not taking Khilafat Gandhi;s
advise to “Quit India” when I was young. For a member of the Neta-Babu-Cop-Milard-Crony
Kleptocracy, India may be fine. Not for me. But I am delighted that many
of my class mates and cousins do the R & D and production of the most
up to date aircraft, tanks and weapon systems in the World while India is still
struggling with the LCA that it began work on in 1963 (HF-24).
Yes Sir, you are right to some extent. But I can assure you that despondency does provide the strength to bring about a cultural and social upheaval. The discord in the society needs to be addressed, forums need to be created to bring about change, voices have to be raised so that they are heard and heeded to. Your comments provide a moment of reflection and god willing, action should follow. After all, the evils that crept into the society took hundreds of years, so the emancipation shall also be time consuming. The need of the hour is eradication of social, political and cultural barriers, created or self evolving, through sustained efforts and perseverance. In the meantime, these enlightening notes from your sea of wisdom shall keep many informed of our glorious past and reasons for gradual degeneration of social and moral values into the present mess.
Just as East India is still to recover from the genetic hole created by the British retribution that blew the Brahmin remnants of the disbanded Bengal Native Infantry from the Cannon’s Mouth in 1857; it is unlikely that India will recover from the genetic hole created by the Indian Constitution
Ur angst is understood but not ur conclusion because it means to run away froim the problem. I’m glad that you didn’t emigrate because you would have been soon disgruntled there too. Be here satisfied and don’t criticise for the sakle of criticism, Be a part of reform and show ur muscle to do something for ur country instead of hoping ur country to do for u. It’s ur country and you need to be part of it. We have been voting a rotten lot to rule us. Nobody’s fault ut our.
If I ever wanted your condescending advise, I shall ask for it.
Good that u know ur guru. Thanks.
With my due respect to you. Your aspersions on caste and Hinduism is a little half informed as I have written plenty on this subject. I shall make two points here:
1. Every religion has caste but Hindus are deliberately defamed. The reason again lie in conversions by humiliating Hindus that makes it easier for these criminals to convince their victims in rural India.
2. Politicians use it for vote bank cheap politics but the same politicians never raise their voice for caste in Abrahamics.
You can write just as much as you wish. So shall I.
Why r u jumping up n down? I didn’t comment on your post. Did I ask u 2 stop writing? U r free, so I’m.
Sir, I think you misunderstood my sentiments. I cannot in the wildest of my thoughts, ever hope or intend to make any insinuations against our religion, which is based on “Vasudhev Kutumbakam”, loving everyone, even its detractors. That is the beauty of Hindu religion, it is compassionate and all encompassing. But, somewhere down the ages, the caste system that involuntarily crept in, began dividing the society. The Abrahamic religions in their eagerness to bring large chunk of populace to its fold, preyed upon the resentment of the so called lower castes, with a promise of a caste less society, where they shall be treated on a level footing with the highers, brought about a demographic change in the Indian society. I think you would appreciate that the type of injustice meted to the lower castes, was appalling and gruesome. The abject disregard to this class in the social discourse, has definitely inured these people to the point of discarding the status quo. I am definitely inferring that caste or class struggle is attributable to Hinduism alone, it was prevalent in even Western society, in England. But somehow, these westerners were able to substantially overcome this menace, where as we Hindus, are still trying to cling onto it. Thus, though we cannot definitely move to a hypothetically egalitarian society overnight, yet a concerted effort is required to instill the feeling of equality amongst all sections of society, so that none is betrayed into believing that Hindu religion is wrought with doctrines of social discrimination.
Your second point is well taken, I share your sentiments, and I hold the same views. Please read my other comments on this very article below a few comments. These politicians contrive to influence the masses on caste lines for their personal benefits. They build a smoke screen of caste prejudices within the Hindu society to muster the electoral majority. The fact remains that unless Hindu society rises to the occasion and sees the heinous nexus of proselytizing missionaries and power hungry politicians, the Hindu society will be exterminated in not very long future, and Hinduism shall also be relegated to the oblivion of ages, only to be referred to in the books of sanctimonious western Illuminati as an old pagan society, full of evils whose adherents were mercifully evangelized and liberated. So, it is the clarion call of time that ALL HINDUS DESPITE THEIR MUTUAL MISTRUST OR DIFFERENCES, MUST UNITE AND SAVE OUR NOBLE SANATAN DHARMA FROM THE NEFARIOUS ONSLAUGHT OF ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. REMEMBER, UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.
I agree with your comment. Although some of his points are right, overall his views are casteist in nature.
Bigots/casteist among the dharmic society are the biggest problem for uniting our society/country.
There may have been injustice with Tamil Brahmins, but according to my personal experience it’s not just an one sided story. The people I came across while growing up (including prof. and batch-mates in collage) I often sensed a superiority complex among many people of Tamil Brahmin origin… for example, if you asked a Malayali or Bengali his/her background they would say “I am Malayali/Bengali etc” and never mention their caste, but Tamil Brahmins mostly answered ‘I am Tam-Bram’ with some air. They acted as if they are from a superior culture/community and the brightest by birth even though some of them were not particularly bright. This sense of subtle and harsh bigotry was not limited among just the young students but older professors as well (in fact they were the worse in my experience).
I should mention that I have come across some wonderful and bright people who are Tamil Brahmin but without a sense of bigotry and false pride and I don’t mean to say only Tamil-brahmin are with the problem of bigotry. But we should recognize that casteism is perhaps the biggest reason we are not united to protect our civilization… and if it’s not eradicated ASAP it will be the biggest reason of the complete destruction of our civilization.
Thanks.
Casteism together with religious, gender and linguistic discrimination is enshrined in the Indian Constitution and laws. Those who claim t be against “caste” are those who wish to take advantage of what the Constitution and laws steal for them from the “caste” Hindus, but at the same time, want to included among their victims by the prey.
Some ‘caste’ chauvinists continue to live in their imaginary world where they deserve to be on top just because they are born is a so called high-caste family… for them other are just born low to do manual scavenging etc. Funny to see that these people everyone else is also bigot like them!
I am a born Brahmin married to a so-called SC for 16 years and I am surprised to see that her family and relatives are far more educated and cultured than my side of the family family and no-one goes after any SC/ST quota!… even though that’s what we ‘high caste’ people would like to believe.
When my cousins are not able to get through engineering entrance they blame that SC-STs are taking it away but it never occurs to them that perhaps they didn’t put enough effort.
I would also like to have equal right for everyone but when I come across people like you I feel SC/STs really need support or else they would have never get a fair chance.
One thing I would like to suggest – you can continue to think that you belong to some superior race who deserves better than others and you are doing a favor to India by not leaving like your extraordinary relatives. But please don’t put all Bramins in your extraordinary category of bigots.
Casteism together with religious, gender and linguistic discrimination is enshrined in the Indian Constitution and laws. Those who claim to beagainst “caste” are those who wish to take advantage of what the Constitution and laws steal for them from the “caste” Hindus, but at the same time, want to included among their victims by the prey. Running withe hare and hunting with the hound. i.e. Dalitism.
Great article. Congratulations and many Thanks.
Bless you and bless you again and again.
Many more blessings for Ms. Sumedha from me also ….