Questions for Amnesty International’s Christine Mehta
In an article in the Hindu dated 2 July 2015, a certain Christine Mehta, an employee of Amnesty International and an American citizen, has interesting things to say.
She describes the situation in which her OCI card was revoked and she was required to leave India.
We would like to place a few questions before Ms. Mehta, solely on the basis of the conditions under which OCI cards are granted and revoked.
All questions refer to conditions described in the FAQ available in the website of the Ministry of Home Affairs, Government of India, available here.
Q1: Did Ms. Christine obtain permission from MHA for undertaking research?
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Q2: Did you visit any restricted area without permission?
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Q3: Did you furnish information that was proved false for the purpose of obtaining the OCI card?
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Q4: Did this information relate to permission for conducting research?
Q5: In your article in The Hindu , you state you had knowledge of the need to seek permission, but you and your employer wilfully decided to ignore this requirement. On what grounds do you feel you have a grievance and are entitled to redressal?
Finally, a question for the editorial staff at The Hindu, which we assume is a fair, objective, and honest newspaper: in the article relating to l’affaire Christine Mehta, a damning statement is made about the UPA Govt – that it wouldn’t enforce the law!
What were you thinking when you published this as an “Exclusive” dear The Hindu?
The Hindu is a deliberate law breaker and proud to announce it. Shameful but not surprising.
For the “followers of Abraham cult of Genocide and sex slavery called Christianity”
https://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/marriage-in-the-bible-captive-virgins-polygamy-and-sex-slaves-valerie-tarico/
“The God of the Bible explicitly endorses polygamy and sexual slavery and coerced marriage of young virgins along with monogamy. In fact, he endorses all three to the point of providing detailed regulations. Based on stories of sex and marriage that God rewards and appears to approve one might add incest to the mix of sexual contact that receives divine sanction. … Furthermore, none of the norms that are endorsed and regulated in the Old Testament law – polygamy, sexual slavery, coerced marriage of young girls—are revised, reversed, or condemned by Jesus.” – Dr Valerie Tarico
Sex Slaves. Concubines are sex slaves, and the Bible gives instructions on acquisition of several types of sex slaves, although the line between biblical marriage and sexual slavery is blurry. A Hebrew man might, for example, sell his daughter to another Hebrew, who then has certain obligations to her once she is used. For example, he can’t then sell her to a foreigner. Alternately a man might see a virgin war captive that he wants for himself.
• Polygamy. Polygamy is a norm in the Old Testament and accepted in the New Testament. Biblicalpolygamy.com has pages dedicated to 40 biblical figures, each of whom had multiple wives. The list includes patriarchs like Abraham and Isaac. King David, the first king of Israel may have limited himself to eight wives, but his son Solomon, reputed to be the wisest man who ever lived had 700 wives and 300 concubines! (1 Kings 11)
This Christine Mehta is a crook. If she misbehaved like this in the US, they will put her in jail. The Hindu is not a fair, objective, and honest newspaper.
The Hindu is a leftist lie propagator. Total nonsense….. their news selection itself is highly biased.
The Amnesty International does not bother about the violence white countries like USA and France and to some extent UK have unleashed all over the world. In USA blcaks are living in mortal fear of being gunned down by the white supremacist National Militia.
Ms. Christine, no doubt, has done some good work. But she was asked to leave because her documents were not in order, and there were some contradictions in what she had stated would be her “work”…particularly concerning NGOs that were already under investigation for “a range of national security reasons”. This is no different than the Indian embassy diplomat who had lied on the immigration form of her domestic employee. It was different in that Ms Christine was not strip searched or handcuffed in front of her daughter’s school as Ms Khobragade was in the US. The Indian government officials were very nice in helping Ms Christine leave without creating a drama, or harming her in any way.
No need to talk about how Indians burn garbage…blah, blah, blah…Very stupid, sick and playing right into the hands of people who’ll use this to disparage this news website and present Indians as “violent”.
Ms Christine did not face any violence or harassment…Because her documents were not in order and there was some serious discrepancy she was asked to leave. Simple.
And you are probably violating some law too. What she did was uncover the truths about issues that India does not want to face!
Truth? You call half baked reports and suppression of some facts while blatantly propagating some others, truth? The fact of the matter is, countries like US use this skewed data to publish reports in organizations like UNHRC & USCIRF and make it an alibi to attack sovereignty of such nations, even invade in some cases (Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.). Well, the world is waking up to this reality and hence, the heart burn in apologists. We’ll fix our problems our self, we don’t need politically motivated Amnesty International to do the “pious” work for us.
Every proselitiser violates laws in Hindustan, Pastor. And you do not have right to viloate laws of Hndustan.
They are openly saying now that anything that is anti-India would be taken lightly by Congress.Such is the reputation of Cong as an anti-national party and true to its reputation,there was no precedence of Cong opposing these sepoys who are breaking the law and getting away with it.
And she had the gall to openly say that she knew she was breaking the law in the article but thought as Cong was in power,she wouldnt be taken to task.She is crying now that the govt asked her to leave the country because she broke the law as if her OCI card with her American citizenship gives her the right to break Indian laws.Maybe she should study more about her homecountry’s record in human rights regarding African-Americans and in W.Asia,Afghanistan.
The law she broke is like a speeding ticket. You do not deport someone for that!
You are right, she should’ve been jailed in India. She was let off too easy.
What about people who ‘accidently crush’ puppies under their car 😉
They dont accidentally crush puppies you scum, they drive murderously. And if your reference is to Modi, get the words right. He didnt crush puppies, he said he cries even for puppies crushed under murderous vehicles. See, typical Abrahamic lies – you twist a truth to mean the exact oposite in the hope we are all idiots. Dearie this website is the wrong place for Abrahamic cultists.
Thanks for the abuse. You can never progress beyond that. So the website belongs to akhand bharat eh? Sorry its not written anywhere. You can approach UN for provisional membership of a hindu rashtra.
@ saba, all the while your posts have been abusive and full of misinterpretations and you are trying to cry victim. shame.
All I asked these people was if they had read the report they are dissing so triumphantly. To which they have no answer.
Saba, this article is about whether deportation of Christine is under the laws of the land or not. To deviate a meaningful discussion on this topic, you are unnecessarily invoking her report.
Are you claiming that she would still have been deported if she was working for Ambanis search for minerals? Would there have been such zeal in deporting her. Stop pretending about some rule of law and regulations. The ones with the right contacts and interests always find a a way through. The MEA is very good at that. The author has very well highlighted with red her statement about ‘little known and apparently rarely used provision’ yet fails to take into account the very next line about being denied permission on the basis of the subject of the research, which admit it, is not a something the government is comfortable with. Corporations and businesses do it all the time to cut paperwork and regulations, consistent with all the hype of ‘single window clearance’ . It is exactly what free market fanboys would call ‘red tape’. But no, it becomes a stick to beat with and launch personal attacks.
the point is straight. Kashmir has issues and India WILL not allow some 3 party to exploit the situation. there are elections in J&K ( Jammu is also there which supposedly has no issues only MUSLIMS have) now there is an elected govt. if you ppl have issues report it to the elected representative and not some Nobody Christine Mehta with an agenda of her Masters.!
AFSPA is foisted on JK, not a state ordinance. Of course, since you cant ever be objective in your outlook, you believe no one else can do the same. Keep believing in fantasies and paranoia about the west trying to break up India(While paradoxically simultaneously salivating at opportunities to invest in Indian economy) Sorry I was hoping for coherent and sane and human responses. I expected too much. Your claims of being a rational, tolerant believer stand shattered. You are not even the true Hindu you profess to be. I have been with truer Hindus who are rational beings and ambassadors of their religion and culture. You are just a bigot tarnishing an ancient way of life
exactly , now when asked the pinching question , RUN RUN RUN and call names and branding. i asked your what is the problem is Kashmir and why is AFSPA engaged! why only in Kashmir and why not Jammu ? i am not a Hindu you are right i don’t care who you have been coz i have seen and been with Kashmiri Muslims who are indoctrinated from their birth that who is a kafir and who is not .
The very crux of the problem is the lack of fair elections and democracy in the state, and incidents which were used by both extremists and the state to polarise people, and commit atrocities in the name of a higher cause. One can very well dismiss extremists as barbarians, but no such excuse can hold good for the armed forces which are supposed to be disciplined and professional. Now they have a law which safeguards them from civil trials for their wrongdoings, and on the other hand the citizens lose al right to judicial redressal, and can be shot and jailed on mere hunch of a soldier, to end up either as an encounter or a secret grave. That is the problem. You can accept it and come out of denial if you want solutions.
don’t call it a state i’am telling you repeatedly , its ONLY Kashmir not Jammu & Laddakh. why is ONLY KASHMIR having these issues ?! dont beat around the bush., the fact is the problem is with general Muslim population who dont have have moral or mental compass and as you say have given authority to such people who can polarize them. now if you expect someone else to fix thing which are their own creating and then put the blame also on the people who are feeding you (Kashmir is the gulper of the highest central donations in the whole of India with no tax paying population!) is surely regressive and convoluted.
The state was used as a blanket term for all authority. And as for why their is no issue in Jammu and Ladakh is because the armed forces have never been concentrated their like they are in Kashmir. Despite reduction in violence AFSPA has still not been repealed. Most of that central donation goes into the upkeep of huge paramilitary. As for taxes, J&K revenue were comparable with Bihar, a state with eight times population.
again don’t beat around the bush, and for the nth time why only in Kashmir and why no need in Jammu and Laddakh?
It is because Kashmir falls under disputed territory and has been bifurcated, not Jammu or Ladakh.
LOL not you have resorted to blatant falsifications and finding corners. Kashmir has been bifurcated? what is Kashmir a piece of land or a population ? u aren’t going anywhere!
Another propaganda. It was Governor Jagmohan who who egged them on to move so it would be easier for the Army to comb. Pandit casualties in anti insurgency operation were unacceptable considering the whiplash from the right wing.
I was aware of your constant pushing of the loaded question trying to prove it is a problem of religion, of the Muslims who are demonised and reviled. It is through your narrow world vision that you see people as Hindus and Muslims before seeing them as Kashmiris or Indians. Go ahead, make this country a HIndu Pakistan. Why not talk about the India wide polarisation and the introduction of religion into national politics?
funniest part is that the conspiracy theories and confusion the people like you create and if told that u may be talking to a kashmir Pandit, you will go and start a on a different tone and different theory and try to prove we are all one and must stand for Kashmiriyat, , the Hypocrisy of the people like you and your creed. You say it was jagmohan who did it, what basis do you have ? is it what the general population has the perception there to wipe the bloody hand off what they did in the 90’s . did Jagmohan raise and demolish hundred’s of temples and changes the name of Anantnag to Islamabad and hundreds other renaming to Islamic names. People like you should indeed be sent to the gallows for the kind of hypocrisy and irresponsible and shameless behaviour they bring along . Pathetic. The God’s wont let the deeds go unpunished. and that is Karma, the immutable Law of Nature!
vhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAyHtKFl-kY
So you accuse goverment of india in interfering in election in JK. Have you ever wwritten pakistani interference in kashmir with he same fervour as you write about indian goverment? A bigot calling others bigot! What an irony!
That she violated law of the land has been explicitly written in this article. Is it not? If you feel that she has not………why don’t you explain that? ………… Pretensions…… Do not pretend as if you have done a research on the decisions of MEA.
What you had written about MEA is simply an expression of your aversion. Why should that be taken as a matter of fact.
To divert discussion on wrong doing of christine, you are invoking Ambanis, report of christine et al et al. Why do you expect other participants in the discussion to deviate from the main topic.
If you feel that Christine has not violated law, explain it out. As simple as that.
Law cannot be selectively applied on certain conditions, and conveniently ignored on other based on political priorities. If only law enforcement in India was as watertight as you make it out to be.
Ambani doesn’t do anything anti national….. and yes …spoiling the image of army is antinational….. our army functions in democratic norms….. they were called in because situation demanded so….. when law and order problem becomes grave in a society then extraordinary tools are required. …. and even AFSPA is used by a democratically elected government…. to protect the whole society from collapsing sometimes few are rightfully crushed. It would be better if you ask seperatist tto calm down and progress underr the umbrella of democratic india. Army is maintained to crush anti social elements….. AFSPA is an extraordinary remedy for an extraordinary law and order problem….. in the line of such critical duty soometimes mistakenly few innocents are crushed….. but when law and order situation is grave it is almost impossible to recognize who is innocent and who is not. You are able to blabber your nonsense here because our brothers and husbands are defending the borders day and night. People like you cannot be allowed to sully the image of a professional army serving under a Republic.
What else do I make of people who want to burn and incinerate those who are ‘garbage’ and those who do not agree with them. Can they stop making ad hominem attacks and counter for real? There is no harm in professing views differently. But that shouldn’t make you indifferent to human plight. If India’s heart bleeds when Pakistanis infiltrate into J&K, then should it not also bleed when the civil liberties are bottled up and extrajudicial killings are the norm?
I wonder who are you to decide, what is the gravity of the law she broke.Literati like yourself who have shallow intellectual capacities are engaged in menial jobs by their Masters as is evident.
Yes she was responsible for murder rape and disappearances, right?
Very grave crimes. Paranoid nationalists.
indeed labeling and tagging is the secret weapons of low caliber low intellect junk literati.
In my article Academe as battleground I make the point political ideologies pretending to be religions which have conquest of territories not their own as the core, are nationless cults and peoples. And that is why they are terrified of Hindu nationalists – because we have a nation and we know you dont.
I really want to give the whole list of crimes she has done but knowing your reputation as a ricebag convert pastor,I think it would be a futile attempt.
Get back to your pastor job.Sinners are waiting in line to get ‘rescued’.
Hostile nations and their civic fronts will continue to use western educated Indians to harass India, now they have an easy route through OCI/PIO
India needs to be harassed to get the truth out!
That was damn quick. And, what a slap on the face of The Hindu and the author of that piece who had written such a vacuous, yet prejudiced article.
Thanks to both Surendra Chandra and IndiaFacts for being so quick on their feet.
Thanks, sir.
Facts are she is putting out the BJP bull crap!
Amnesty International recently appointed Aakar Patel as their India chief. Their credibility is tarnished anyways.
One more kochin to Christine in addition to the five kochins already asked – Will you or Amnesty International do a similar study on the Patriots Act and its draconian provisions? On racial profiling, on religious profiling, On Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram? Christine can come to India after she has wiped the white christian spittle from spittle licking in America off her face. And Christine should read this: http://www.vigilonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2063&Itemid=72
Racism and incarceration: African-Americans in US Jails
And Amnesty International should clean its own toilets first before inspecting mine in my home.
read more before posting such irresponsible comments :”She is the author of more than 50 research products for Amnesty International”. She has even done in-depth projects on subjects such as racial profiling – “http://www.christinemehta.com/projects/the-south-side-a-series-on-racial-profiling/”
In her very ‘balanced’ article ( very controversial & hotly contested by the police dept) she portrays a Thomas Derrick who very courageously declares that -“It’s more your appearance and how you carry yourself in the streets” he said. “If you look like you’re -ing ready to cause trouble, that’s when the police -e you. Black people are dominant in the violence on -treets. It’s not like it takes a rocket scientist to figure -hat it’s more black people who are doing the crime”
You need real ‘guts’ to produce such ‘research products’.
waste commnet
Vicarious spittle licking.
Bhai in world ROCKET SCIENCE is only pronounced by paki……people you are paki people…..
Thank you for your truthfull comments as the author wants everyone to believe that deportation is the way to hide the truth!
Hey you son of a Bitch White skinned gutter swill get lost from here, you filthy asshole pig.This is India, not Iraq, your white skinned asses were roasted in small Iraq, world’s “strongest” army of child murdering white skinned KLANNISTS running like deep holed ass..KLANNIST PIGS KILLING COMMITING GENOCIDE OF BLACKS IN UNITED SNAKES OF AMERIKKKA, Where is AI..Laying with Klannists??
What kind of sick human being are you. I will have you know I do not live in a gutter but a beautiful home with an outstanding view of the Chesapeake Bay and Susquehanna river. I will also let you know that some of my relatives actually fought on the Union side in the civil war. Oh and by the way the article is about a non resident Indian researcher that is very has a lot of knowledge about the subjects she writes. You Indian need to go back to the sewer hole you were in before you went to the free wifi spot and got online to speak trash!
Bullocks!! Authoring 50 research projects for Amnesty International doesn’t give her any more credibility. What matters is the quality and objectivity of that research. This organization AI is only interested in propagandizing the already established biased opinions about various issues especially ones that promote the viewpoint ONLY FOR SENSATIONAL MARKETING AND POLITICAL PURPOSES. They don’t give a hoot to show a “balanced”view and are ONLY the voice of the group of people that the global leftist media portrays as being “targeted”.
A true balanced view would need “GUTS” to include objective, unbiased research and analysis of why a certain group is in certain situation e.g. with respect to kashmir, why is there only focus on muslim separatists/terrorists “plight” and a dearth of any real concern for the plight of kashmiri hindus, who in reality have suffered the most in kashmir. Are they less “human” that their rights are not valid?? This biased and partisan attitude shown by AI has been condemned by kashmiri pandits many times e.g. an AI team went to J&K and completely sidetracked the kashmiri pandits and only met with the separatists. More info here http://www.outlookindia.com/news/article/kashmiri-pandits-criticise-amnesty-international-team/683043
Until AI starts publishing some real,objective,unbiased research and really start caring for human rights of all “humans”, I forone shall not take them seriously at all!
Here come the Anti National Desert bloodsoaked ideology of christianity, ITALIAN SLAVE..Hey get out of India you you bastardized products of keeps and prostitutes and the Portugese and British, Chinese and Italian white skinned b..ts..Hey Hindus eat with mouths and shit from the ass, you start doing the opposite. RESTRICTION ORIFICE..Whom was this RESTRICTION ORIFICE (Sorry Oversized Overused Orifice) laying and where was AI when Sissi the darling butchered 800 people?? Oh she was laying with some White skin then.Get lost from India, offcourse to Christian mass murdering Nazis, the white skinned christian Italian VATI-CUNT gang even does not consider important to eat their white shit which you will love. The bastard Aakar Patel loves Italian dogshit
What type of insanity are you spewing. Go get a real life and get an education.
Agree….very cool..
So what if she does that will not get here deported!
She write about it all day in the USA and will not get deported! Only nations that want to distort the truth deport researchers.
Dearie deporting unpleasant humans is like throwing out garbage. In America you make a national virtue of collecting all garbage into the melting pot and show it off as national virtue. In India we throw out garbage or burn them in incinerators.
Learnt burning people from Mein Kampf?
well if we have to after all foul smelling garbage is detrimental to health of general public
So Mr Hitler did no wrong to the Jews huh? After all he was just a patriot who was burning garbage.
don’t change the goal post , literati Junk. if you want to have a debate take specifics , else go to some dumb TV channel and shout your vocal cords off, this is not a place for dumb people.
Have you even read the report?
is it about jews and Nazis.
Its about AFSPA.
exactly its about “58” families account with no data to substantiate that they were telling the truth and not under any facade. and you call that a Report? Now go hide under your intellectual liberal blabber
Thank you for calling 58 bereaved families liars. Thank you for calling the mass graves a facade. It is based on RTI applications. Go check your own National Human Rights Commission. The central ministries have refused to cooperate and give data for the same. They are more worried about image and prestige. That is paramount to them than justice, and they have actively shielded the guilty.Data is also sourced from daily news monitoring, including your own press, however controlled and censored it maybe.
you don’t have to thank me . and call the victim card . Report is based on RTI or communication with families ? what are you doing here your prejudices is not allowing your mind faculties to function.I dont have to check any thing. the matter of the fact is if ANYONE is indulging in anti India Rhetoric and activities ( burning National flags, showing ISIS flag, Pakistani flags, arms smuggling and storage, aiding terrorist in any way), such people will not receive Humane treatment or any kind of Leniency. and to invoke human rights in such scenarios is Stupid at least and malignant to the max!
By denying justice and fair inquiry into abuses you are aiding these very elements which use violent means to serve their ends. You are clamping down legitimate channels of redressal, and that provides only more ammo to fanatical elements.
LOL. legitimate channels, Amnesty international is an legitimate channel? . since when does an NGO become a legitimate channel for redressal ? and what are those ends that you are talking about ? can you elaborate and what is the problem in Kashmir , mind you not Jammu (J&K is one state only Kashmir has problem)?
I was talking about civil courts and trials for the accused.
Civil courts and trials. Acknowledging things will be a start, something the Indian state has refused to do, and continues to be in denial.
Terrorists and their families should not seek justice. You cant sow a hurricane and expect to harvest a zephyr.
Alright just drop a nuke into the valley if its teeming with terrorists.
You are mentally unfit to live in a democratic and just society if you do not believe in the ideal of modern justice.
HA HA HA HA Democracy call from the ones who do ethinic cleansing and cannibalisticly eat the hearts of “enemies”, as JIHAD, which so called Islamic country is a Democracy..What about the lakhs of Kashmiri Hindu families who were wiped out.The Desert Cultists, call fro democracy when it suits them, same for “secularism”. ANd by the way what about the Genocide and Mass Murder and gang rapes of Bangladeshi Hindus, in the same name of “ISLAM” cult, and the AI’s incestuous silence? Hey BUT THAT IS THE INJUNCTION NO.SHARIA
Let me out it in words of one syllable so that you get it. So long as Christian terrorists and missionaries, so long as jihadis pose a threat to our religion and our territory, our military will deal with you. Let Muslims state openly that they give up jihad in Hindu nation, and Christians declare they wont do conversion and there wont be any need for AFSPA.
It is surprising that a woman is vociferously defending the cult in spite of having beena granted less than second class status.
If you want to spread the argument I can talk about the cult who rape and burn pregnant women, throw young windows into funeral pyre, beat up women for ‘cultural values’ and kill daughters for falling in love. A cult which fetishises women as honour, something to be owned and possessed. What about dharmik kings in your epics who wager their wife in a game of dice. Patriarchy and right wing fanaticism share a deep bond, pity you can’t see that.
I am not spreading it. I aam ending it. All these are done in Islam with sanction. Sanatan dharma does not give sanction. practices cannot be blamed on religion.
I request people to end this argument here itself; spine-less arguments(referring the commenter by the name “Saba”) do more damage than what is intended !!
What a joke! Someone show her what is happening in middle east. Yazidi women getting what treatment! Are you a blind deaf! Aurangzeb rule…. result of third battle of panipat…… oh please ma’m…. first question your own practices then perhaps you will have some iota of right to comment upon others! Whole world is witnessing “islamic civilization” ….. why don’t you try living in caliphatic utopia? Please kindly spare us from such nonsensical statements
HA HA HA AND THE DEATH CULT WHICH CIRCUMSCRIBES CHILDREN AND WOMEN TO “CHASTITY” , BLEEDING THEM TO DEATH..HA HA HA HA Oh again that is the “culture”. 4 Wives and Big Harams religion
Army hasn’t gone there willingly. … it was sent when anti social elements created havoc with lives. Human rights doesn’t belong to just one religion. Kashmiri pandits too have humanrights. AFSPA is only an action to a reaction. Don’t try to portray terrorists as victims.
You have to agree conflict situations are not black and white affair. Militarised zones are no stranger to human rights violations, as history has shown. Long periods of occupation has adverse impact and alienation for both occupiers and occupied. No army, however professional in the world is immune to committing excesses. The Indian armed forces (including paramilitary and JK forces) are no different from any other force. Perhaps its time everyone accepted that, instead of cloaking the affairs with arguments of discipline and professionalism. Its time enforcers of law respect what they claim to uphold and defend for positive dialogue and confidence building. It is the right time for conciliations and avoid the cycle of violence the state has been caught in for a generation now, a generation that has seen nothing but guns and blood and which is increasingly alienated.
The military is always called in only where there are Abrahamic cultists. Goes to show the cultists wont let Hindus on Hindu bhumi live in peace on their land.
There is no Hindu Bhumi. Go read your own constitution first.
Bharat is hindu bhumi…. muslims came from outside…. either you are convert or outsider. If you are convert then shame on you for not being original and if you are outsider then the door is open kindly go wherever you belong. And every atom of bharat is filled with hindu dharma and devotion. So kindly keep your ignorance with you.
Why would 58 families make up the same things happening to each one? There is no way that would be possible.
i never said that the 58 families made it up, its the the people who report it give the flavor that suits the agenda.
You would have to say that about every story that is written. All reporters use their own judgement to write so they all cannot be looking for an agenda.
Madam go into your ancestory….and take some pain to find out whether your roots too belong to hinduism. And if yes then why burden yourself from an alien religious philosophy? Had I been at your place then I would have surely enquired. Because ultimately truth matters. Find out truth and that truth no matter how inconvenient liberates you. Important question is why some of us were forced to convert….and why those converts kept on propagating something forced upon them. Isn’t these questions worth asking and contemplating? In UP there are tyagi muslims….. in kashmir there are pandit muslims! Please dig out the past…find out the truth and be who you originally were! Above everything I value only truth. Truth brings peace of mind.
When we know something is human poop, you dont need to pick it up in your hands and hold it to your nose to know it is human poop.
Say people who don’t clean their poop, and instituted a caste system for their slaves to do the same. First, you don’t clean your own mess, and then you brand people who clean it as untouchables. What a great religion.
Pakhanas came into existence after the arrival of Muslims. Otherwise people defecated in their fields.A certain area was reserved and marked. This would help creating manure.Do not hold wrong flags based on misinformation.
Atleast do not Butcher the fellows and Rape their women and sell them Like the Great Religion of Genocide. From Pakistan to MOROCCO what a Great Religion of Bloodthirst and “Codeified:” Jihad
Hey you Islamic Terrorist what is your ISIL doing. Picking from Quran, which codifies genocide as Jihad, and selling women as Sex slaves . ISIL Ramadan awards: Sex slaves (Jannat kee hoors will be afterwards), who mugs up sick Quran. Bomb Shia masjids because even Shias are Infidels.QURAN. Untouchability of the ISLAMIC WORLD “Kill Ahmediyas, Shias, Sufis, and other “non followers’. HA HA HA
You need to be taken off the internet because you are not intelligent enough to have a conversation with!
Have some sense and integrity. Dont compare apples and oranges and make such derogatory and outrageous allegations!! Everyone knows the racist, supremacist Aryan theory that Nazis propagated to further their idea of a pure Aryan nation. They exterminated jews and others that didnt fit in that destructive theory. On the other hand Indian/Hindus welcomed Jews and all other faiths into their folds and still do. For this we paid a heavy price especially regarding Muslims and xtians as the corrupt among them who took advantage of this open mindedness.
Oh not at all. We have always burned garbage. We show the way, the rest of the world follows.
Are you saying people learnt racism from the example you set by untouchability?
Oh no, untouchability as it originated in our society was punishment for offenders of dharma. That it ossified and decayed into something else is natural to anything in nature. And as for racism I give credit to the Abrahamic cults for original invention. Christians and Muslims genocided, subjugated and enslaved non whiteskins, non christians and non Muslims. Please you can take full credit for racism and all its attendant evil. That is one credit you dont need my permission to own.
Nothing ossifies or decays ‘naturally’ without the will of privileged ruling class. Who is the keeper of dharma? Surely the savarnas and the brahmins, who certainly are no fan of democracy and equal rights. One can surely gauge that from the scorn showered on Ambedkar by hindu nationalists in the 1950s. It is ironical that the same nationalists are now rushing to claim his legacy for vote bank politics. One cannot call inhumane regulations shoved down the throat of people by ruling elite as dharma.
Are you telling me Hindu kings did not keep slaves or harems?Blatant hypocrisy. You cannot whitewash your creed and deriding everyone else. All religions have murky sections. High time you acknowledged your own.
Here, take my tissue.
Strange that you ask, first find out what Dharma is before asking who is the keeper of Dharma. True all Kings who ruled in kingdoms within Bharat historically have not been dharmic as they deviated from the path of dharma but again they paid the price for their actions. No one denies bad apples in every society but a mature society and civilization is the one that has intrinsic ability based on prevalence of universally applicable dharmic principles based on power of human conscience and consciousness to root out such bad apples.
All religions have murky section…. fully agreed. But yours is far more murkier buddy. And since yours stands so out for murkiness it would be great service to your own society if you put your efforts in cleaning out your closet instead of preaching others. At least we have freedom to reform our religion. And despite all murkiness( which is fraction of your religion’s murkiness) hindu dharma has produced several intellectual and philosophical gems far exceeding what you barbarians can’t even dream of. So don’t bother as we will clean our closet soon as it isn’t that dirty afterall…. bettet you worry about yours.
Like racism? You taught the world racism from manusmriti?
u preaching Manusmiriti on internet. which no Hindu knows of. 🙂 Have you Read Quran, and this is just the starters for the barbarians that Muslims world-over are with more than 90% of terror attacks in the world being carried out by Muslims, ever wonder y ?
http://quran.com/9/111
http://quran.com/5/33
http://quran.com/3/28
http://quran.com/8/12
Ever wonder y Women are less than dogs in Islam.
http://quran.com/5/6
wonder why Mulsmis trade women as sex slaves , remember ISIS
http://quran.com/4/24
just a breather there are a hundred other gems.
Dearie you really should not flaunt your ignorance with such pride. Hindu dharma will not collapse if you reject Manu Smriti whereas the Abrahamic cults will be nowhere without their One Book, Last Prophet and the Son of Male God with flowing beard. And as for Manu Smriti it is brilliant documentation of society of the times. But then you need a sense of history to understand history.
Alright you must be talking about Vedic vimanas, plastic surgery and wifi.
More likely than not the garbage is on the streets. What we do have is a thriving group of Indians that are making the USA a great nation. The real issue is India cannot stand for anyone to tell the truth about what is going on within the government! They cannot stand to be told the garbage stinks!
Great Reply Maam GREAT