Published On: Wed, Aug 26th, 2015

Raza Rumi – When Silence is Murder

In Pakistan, there are liberals and there are fake liberals. An average Indian does not recognize this distinction. The true liberals uphold a sense of ethics and morality in speech and writings and work for the benefit of people  irrespective of their nationality, ethnicity or religion. Generally true liberals believe that eliminating jihadists from Pakistani society is in the interest of Pakistani people. You can cite names of Pakistani authors and commentators such as Mohammed Taqi, Ambassador Husain Haqqani and Dr. Ayesha Siddiqa who are widely respected for their defence of Pakistani people’s interests. Indians will be even willing to take a rebuke from Husain Haqqani about their failings because his concern for people is extraordinary.

Then there are fake liberals; they too are liberal in some sense but their objective is to save the Pakistani state, not the Pakistani people. The easiest way to identify the fake liberals is this: they promptly get offended by any criticism of Pakistani military and its Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. Like true liberals, the fake liberals also advocate democracy and women’s rights, but they are intentionally silent on the Pakistani military’s role in Balochistan. Their criticism of ISI’s protection of jihadist hideouts in Bahawalpur, Muridke, Rawalpindi and Muzaffarabad is shrill and cosmetic, not beyond a few passing remarks. In their writings they advance the ISI’s narrative of foreign policies, especially with regard to India, Afghanistan and the U.S.

Raza Rumi, who is hosted by Indians regularly, is a Pakistani commentator who wrote a piece on August 23, in which he blames PM Narendra Modi for Pakistan’s cancellation of the talks between the two countries’ National Security Advisers (NSAs), shields the Pakistani military and ISI, and denounces any support for Balochs. In the article which appeared on liberal-leftist Indian website Catchnews.com, Rumi thinks that the cancellation of the NSA talks took place due to the “major roadblock” that “came in the wake of Pakistan’s desire to engage with Kashmiri separatist leaders”.

Not at all: the major roadblocks are the Pakistani jihadist terrorists being armed by your state, your military and your intelligence agency, the ISI – the lead tormentor of Pakistani people. As a senior journalist, you would know that much. Also, he thinks that this “desire” of Pakistan to meet separatist Kashmiris is Pakistan’s birthright that Indians must honour.

“This is a pattern set by the Modi administration: Look tough, act tough when it comes to Pakistan,” Rumi observes. The fact is this: Modi is looking large-hearted, too suave and too lenient in the face of Pakistani jihadist infiltration. The truth: India hasn’t been acting tough; even an equal response would have been to shoot one person in lieu of each jihadist infiltrating into India. In fact, even under the Modi government, as new research by journalist Praveen Swami shows, India – being a responsible member of the international society of states – has been returning Pakistani jihadists back to Pakistan because India adheres to strict due process in Jammu & Kashmir and it finds it difficult to produce evidence that could be admissible in Indian courts. So, instead of telling Indians, what about telling ISI to stop infiltrating jihadists into India and there wouldn’t be need for a tough policy?

In the rush to beat up Modi and Hindus, Raza Rumi’s intellectual memory remembers this: “Exactly a year ago the Indian government called off its Foreign Secretary’s visit to Islamabad when Pakistan’s High Commissioner in Delhi met a group of Kashmiri separatists.” But simultaneously, his memory chooses to forget the following: Modi did send his Foreign Secretary Subrahmanyam Jaishankar to Islamabad for two days on March 3-4 this year. Rumi thinks that Indians should insert the ISI-sponsored Hurriyat leaders into India-Pakistan talks because India used to do this earlier. He adopts silence about any role for popularly elected leaders in Kashmir because the elected Kashmiri leaders are not approved by the ISI.

Pervez Musharraf

Rumi writes: “Even during the time of the previous BJP government under Atal Bihari Vajpayee, General Musharraf met them during his 2001 India visit.” The Pakistani writer is right. General Pervez Musharraf who launched arguably the largest jihadist invasion of India in Kargil in 1999 was indeed hosted by Indians. Musharraf’s interviews are still sponsored by the ISI in Indian media.

Indian television journalists still long to have a photograph taken with Musharraf on whose watch the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks were planned. But if the past were the criterion for today’s foreign policy, here is another past: Pakistanis arrived in Kashmir as jihadist invaders; they still occupy a part of Kashmir; the Pakistani army is in illegal occupation of Kashmir, not even backed by an instrument of accession. And under the UN resolutions, the Pakistani army is required to vacate Kashmir first before next steps can begin.

In his article, Rumi is totally silent on the ISI’s jihadist hideouts in Bahawalpur, Rawalpindi, Muridke and Muzaffarabad. These jihadist hideouts are fundamental obstacles to talks. But in the Indian media Rumi advances the ISI’s narrative: “But Pakistan is also concerned about Samjhauta Express that killed 68 (including 42 Pakistani nationals); and the covert support given to Baloch insurgents. In recent years, there is also an allegation of Indian links with those who support the anti-Pakistan factions of Taliban operating from Afghanistan.”

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Baloch Women Protesting

Over the years, Pakistan has not produced any evidence of Indian hand in Balochistan, but if you are morally concerned about the people of Balochistan, why to even oppose any support for Baloch rebels? What about writing a few sentences in support of the Balochs, even the missing Balochs? Rumi observers complete silence on ISI’s brutalities in Balochistan due to two reasons: one, speaking about Balochs will anger the ISI; two, the article is written with the purpose of advancing ISI’s viewpoint in Indian media and to influence Indian journalists.

In September 2012, Pakistan’s Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry was more honest than Raza Rumi when he called for: “an end to military operations against the Baloch and for the disbanding of the ‘death squads’ of the intelligence agencies operating in Balochistan.” It will be good if Rumi imbibed even quarter-of-a-percent of Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry’s honesty on Balochistan, especially because not a week has passed in the recent decade when a Baloch man hasn’t been picked up by ISI, only for his dead body to be found by roadside.

Writing for the ISI, which is the creator and nurturer of jihadist organizations and as per WikiLeaks revelations was classified by U.S. officials as a “terrorist organization”, Raza Rumi accuses India of supporting “anti-Pakistan factions of Taliban.” It is true that a faction of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) is more ideological and deems Pakistan as insufficient Shariah state; but the mature writer Rumi chooses to blame India and picks up the Pakistani army rhetoric and inserts it into what he presents to Indians as a serious article on India-Pakistan relations.

The fact is this: the closest Pakistan came to producing evidence of Indian support to jihadists in Pakistan was when some suicide bombers were found in Pakistan who were not circumcised. Pakistanis blamed India saying they were Hindus because Hindus do not circumcise. Even that lie was exposed. Kamran Khan, a legislator from Waziristan in Pakistan’slower house of Parliament, went on record: “People are either circumcised in hospitals or barbers do the job. Neither we have hospitals in Waziristan nor institution of barbers… I don’t deny there are uncircumcised people in Waziristan.”

Still from Video showing ISIS chief Baghdadi in first video sermon, 4 July

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

Being a keen observer of Pakistan, Raza Rumi would have not failed to notice how the ISI co-opted several jihadist commanders into its fold after it began the façade of Zarb-e-Azb operation in North Waziristan: Asmatullah Muawiya broke away from the TTP; Saeed Sajna left the TTP and joined ISI; Hafiz Gul Bahadur was persuaded by Sirajuddin Haqqani to remain with ISI; and Afghan Taliban leaders, including the new emir Mullah Akhtar Mansoor, are protected by ISI. And Malik Ishaq was recently killed in a staged police encounter because he was about to declare his bai’yah (oath of allegiance) to Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi of ISIS, not ISI.

It wouldn’t come as a surprise if the ISI attacks some people, especially those with liberal-looking credentials, so that they can get permanent visa in the United States. Soon after the terror attack on Wagah border in November 2014, a Christian couple were burnt alive to shut down any likely criticism of Pakistan’s ISI by diverting the international media focus. Raza Rumi wasn’t attacked by the Taliban.

Raza Rumi’s unstated objective is to insert ISI’s narrative into Indian media, especially because he maintains silence on ISI-protected jihadist hideouts. He writes: “The sifting of fact from fiction can only come if both sides were to place evidence…” What about doing the same in your article – about Balochs, about Maulana Masood Azhar’s protectors, about Hafiz Muhammad Saeed?

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Yes, Rumi’s point is valid on the Samjhauta Express court trial, but three points here for you: one, you adopt silence on the trial of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi in the Pakistani court because mentioning this in your article will mean displeasing your masters at the ISI; two, there is indeed a due process failing on India’s side in the Samjhauta Express trial but it does not automatically follow that Hindus are being sent into Pakistan as suicide bombers as you send jihadists into India; three, you insert the point regarding Samjhauta Express because the ISI wants you to do so.

Your silence is murder. Because it can displease the ISI, your article is silent on Dawood Ibrahim, the Indian terror mastermind of the 1993 serial blasts in Mumbai now residing in Karachi under the ISI’s protection. Because it can hurt the ISI, you do not speak a word about Naved, the Pakistani terrorist caught in Udhampur and being held by India. Rumi thinks that Modi was voted to power by “rightwing Hindu extremists.” In this country of 1.25 billion Indian people, how many Hindus do you think are extremists in your opinion? Sometimes learn about Indians’ sensibilities from movies: even a Bajrangi is willing to take a beating to return a lost mute Pakistani girl back to her home in Pakistan. You have an inadequate and lopsided view of the Hindus’ humanity because this is how the ISI and jihadist textbooks in Pakistan have taught you.

Raza Rumi writes: “These fundamental flaws of a policy – necessitated by domestic appeasement of the Hindu Right – confound the task of securing normalization in the region.” Unfortunately, for you, confronting Pakistani jihadism is tantamount to “domestic appeasement of the Hindu Right” – you might be right because the Indian seculars have always turned the other cheek: each time you send jihadists into India, secular Indians have invited you, hosted you and served biryani dinners both at official levels and at unofficial levels. This biryani politics will end, not because secular Indians want to end it but because common Indians are getting more knowledgeable about ISI’s jihadist role in India. Rumi views every Indian writer whose articles could be critical of ISI as Modi’s supporter. No surprises here either: for generations of Pakistanis, Indian nationalism was always limited to Hindu nationalism, as taught throughout Pakistani curriculum.

Raza Rumi writes that Modi’s supporters “consider that India’s rise on the global stage will ensure that Pakistan is sidelined and ultimately cowed down.” Cowed down from what? Why Pakistan should not be cowed down internationally for its support of jihadist terror organizations? Morally, you should also support it. Granted that you have a concern for Pakistan’s reputation, but it is not for India to salvage Pakistan’s future. The fact is this: the Pakistani military is fully capable of unilaterally ending its support to jihadist organizations overnight and salvage a bright future for the Pakistani people but it wouldn’t do so – to understand this, you can read C. Christine Fair’s authoritative book, “Fighting to the End – The Pakistan Army’s Way of War.”

Narendra Modi in UAE

Raza Rumi is also uncomfortable at Modi’s “visit to the UAE” and dubs it as a “grand nationalist posture.” He writes: “Modi did pursue the ‘isolate-Pakistan’ line in the context of SAARC and his recent visit to UAE. But this grand nationalist posture…” The fact is that the institution of SAARC was rendered meaningless by Pakistan because it always inserted bilateral issues into its agenda.

Rumi writes: “isolating Pakistan is not going to work out.” There are two points about this: one, Pakistan is isolating itself through its jihadist sponsorship; two, are you sure that isolating Pakistan will not work out? In fact, it is Pakistan’s international isolation that it has been reduced from a better-than-India economic record. It is indeed unfortunate that the people of Pakistan are suffering due to Pakistan’s own isolation. You can’t end isolation by supporting jihadists.

Raza Rumi thinks that “Nawaz Sharif is considerably weakened by last year’s turmoil” – what about writing a sentence that the turmoil was engineered by the ISI? The protesters led by Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri were supported by the ISI, most recently testified by Pakistan’s federal minister Mushahidullah Khan who resigned after openly admitting an interview in mid-August that ISI plotted the anti-Sharif protests. Even during the protests, the Urdu daily Roznama Ummat reported that the anti-Sharif protests were engineered by ISI through the good offices of former ISI chief Shuja Pasha. As a senior journalist, you understand the ISI’s repeat role in Pakistani politics but in your article you very carefully choose to ignore ISI’s role because the purpose of writing is to serve the ISI.

Here is a point: It is not for India to nurture Sharif.

Raza Rumi writes: “Within Pakistan, there is broad support for Hurriyat. So Sharif cannot afford to alienate anybody.” Frankly, how many Pakistanis voted Sharif for his support to the Hurriyat? Rumi adds: “Modi’s 56-inch nationalism actually strengthens all those in Pakistan who prefer status quo.” Do you believe this nationalism is only 56-inch, or are you speaking in received language, received from the biryani analysts of India? In fact, there are numerous instances to indicate that Sharif surrendered before the ISI-led deep state: remember the first bombshell that came in this act of surrendering was when Sharif’s adviser Sartaj Aziz went to the BBC Urdu in 2014. A Pakistani media described this surrender in the following words:

“A senior aide to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Monday [November 18, 2014] appeared to turn on its head the conventional wisdom of indiscriminately targeting all shades of militants in the ongoing military operations in the tribal regions, arguing in favour of a more selective approach. ‘Why should Pakistan target those who do not pose any threat to its security?’ asked Sartaj Aziz.” Before Nawaz Sharif and Sartaj Aziz, there was case of a young Pakistani leader being rebuked by ISI when he had begun talking of good ties with India: Bilawal Bhutto.

Speaking of vacuum in bilateral peace process, Raza Rumi observes: “This space is now filled by cacophony by the media, which likes to sell conflict rather than peace.” In writing this, you choose to create a gigantic black hole in your long article and turn a blind eye to the jihadism of the ISI and the jihadist groups protected by it in Bahawalpur. It is interesting to note that you want talks at every cost but talks for what? You are intelligent enough to insert a few points on climate change, but couldn’t you have filled the vacuum by uttering a few words such as: Dawood Ibrahim, Masood Azhar, the ISI, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, Lakhiur Rehman Lakhvi, the Balochs, Syed Salahuddin, Pakistani military and coopting of Asmatullah Muawiya and his type, and so on?

Raza Rumi’s article is titled: “Be mature guys; there’s a lot at stake in India, Pak.” He is indeed very mature, shielding the ISI and its jihadists very maturely, very intelligently. It is possible that the title may not have been written by you, as is often the case in journalism. However, its ownership belongs to you. You are asking both the ISI and Indians to get mature, the former by continuing to nurse jihadist sanctuaries in Muridke, Bahawalpur, Rawalpindi and Muzaffarabad and the latter by continuing to hold biryani talks. How do Indians become “mature” – by turning the other cheek? You are also silent on Sartaj Aziz’s recurring threat to use nuclear bombs.

It may be time Pakistan, like Libya, handed over its nuclear weapons to the international community.

Rumi adds: “Citizen activists on both sides have to drive home sense into their respective government.” And not a word to drive sense into the Pakistani government – by a Pakistani writer? Some Indian writers are using phrases like “civil society” and “non-state actors.” There is no civil society in Pakistan, only a handful of progressive writers, especially women; if there is one civil society in Pakistan, it is controlled by religious groups and shepherded by the army. Not many Indians grasp this: Pakistani army chief is the king of Pakistan. There are no non-state actors in Pakistan either; there are only state-backed actors, other than the TTP for the time being.

Pakistani people’s interests will be better served if India prepared a list of 100 Pakistani terrorists and hired Italian or other mafia to eliminate them $1 million per piece. It is indeed in the interest of Pakistan and a concern for Pakistani people will mean that Raza Rumi should support such a move.

Narendra Modi

It is time Indians also understood this: Pakistani diplomats are doing much better than their Indian counterparts. To the Indian youths: have the patience of a Buddhist monk; do not expect Modi to deliver a permanent peace; Modi is not a superman. The Pakistan conflict is rooted in Pakistan’s religious identity and cannot be resolved as long as it exists.

The purpose of this article is not to argue that India and Pakistan should not talk, but to identify the black hole Raza Rumi created in his article. Liberals dish out the argument: you cannot choose your neighbour, you cannot wish away your neighbour. So, this is what this writer wrote recently on how to deal with neighbours: learn from how neighbours live in villages.

Sometimes, you boycott a neighbour’s marriage and at times, you persuade your neighbour to grace your daughter’s wedding; sometimes, a neighbour erects a fence and you do the same; sometimes, you break bread together and at times, you turn away when your neighbour is passing by; at another time, your neighbour encroaches on your land and you break your neighbour’s nose.

About the Author

- Former BBC journalist Tufail Ahmad is the executive director of the Open Source Institute, New Delhi. Ahmad is the author of "Jihadist Threat to India – The Case for Islamic Reformation by an Indian Muslim." He tweets @tufailelif


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  1. PimpMediaMukt Bharat is next steps after congressMukt Bharat

  2. all bomb blasts in India handiwork of Congress ISI Muslims and Dawood.No Hindu orgs does such inhuman acts.We Hindus are peaceloving,pliable friendly but if attacked we are also like lion. We Hindus are tolerant to an extent and allows all to attack us but if it is intolerable we will finish the enemies.

  3. Abhishek Bedi says:

    Very well written, hats off!

  4. Virendra says:

    Well written article Tufail,
    Pak has been ruled by Military since its inception, self serving people whether Civil or Military has been ruling the country, and it has now been so deep rooted that a miracle will require to change the tide. In the meanwhile country is rotting & people are the sufferers & victims.
    Basic necessity, Infrastructure, Education, Judiciary all are impacted. Jihad is the only known product of Pakistan besides Garment & Sports good. Country is running on a begging bowl, but youths are totally misguided and brainwashed.

    Country like UAE, KUWAIT, SAUDI do not accept Pakistani people as their own, and consider them sub standard. It is the truth very well in display if you visit such places.

    The country is imploding from within, and the day is not too far where India will see current Syria like situation of refugee crisis where Pakistani people start abandoning their own country, and trust me all their neighbouring Islamic country will not accept them, because they are not their own

    Upper class people already are migrating out of Pakistan for years.

  5. Akber Shakil says:

    Hilarious piece of shit, Pakistanis whenever allowed to vote never voted for right wing religious parties more than 4% of electoral votes in history Pakistan electorate, while Indian elected a mass murderer fanatic with thumping majority who presided over the pogrom where thousands of Indians burned alive under his watch in any other civilized country that man would have been barred from contesting election even for a union council let alone for PM, a person who was heading the demolition of babri mosque, a person who have life long association with fascist organisations a party which generates its political power from hate speech against minorities and neighbors and fascist organisations such as RSS, bajrang dal, vhp.

    In Pakistan Hafiz saeed can never even dream of being elected into office, just imagine how Pakistanis feel when you elected your Hafiz saeed as your prime minister that too with thumping majority which only tells in which country extremism is mainstreamed.

    And please stop crying over Kashmir, what happened in 89 on wards can’t equate for what you did in east Pakistan in 71, similarly what happened in 99 can’t be call foul play for what you did in 84.

    • Vikram says:

      what is it about the air of Pakistan that makes conspiracy theories and outright distortions of facts so easy? How can you lot lecture India about rights of minorities when the Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Ahmadis in your country live in such mortal fear that they DARE NOT raise arms in defence at daily injustice they face. Where girls like Kajal Bheel and Rinkle Kumari are abducted, forcibly converted, and highest courts protect the criminals? Where you teach your children that Hindus are inferior to Muslims, and untrustworthy, uncultured people? India has people of different faiths – Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Muslim, Christian living in much better harmony than anywhere in Asia. I know it is pointless trying to reason with a person like you who is so blind-sided by the bigotry that has become mainstreamed in his society, that he doesnt realize that Pakistan doesnt need to elect a Hafiz Saeed…the Army/ISI writ which runs in your country ensures that elected politicians hardly matter…Hafiz Saeed probably has more of a say on matters related to India than Nawaz Sharif. And dont get me started about temple destruction…destroying a Hindu temple or grabbing its land is so common place in Pak that it hardly makes any news.

      • Akber Shakil says:

        640 cases of kidnap and forced conversion of hindu minor girls in interior Sindh which took place from 2006 to 2011 is black mark on Pakistan as a country and as a society, for a country which was built to protect minorities of subcontinent from the tyranny of majority behaving with their minorities in a similar way,(though its nothing compare to India where 1500 dalit women on average get raped every year by higher caste hindus, and around 1000 dalits butchered every year in caste related violence but still I consider it matter of shame for me as a Pakistani you would never find me or for that matter any Pakistani justifying it under any context) but if you actually looked at the cases instead of pushing up the couple of names you heard in RSS distorted exaggerated hate speeches you would know that these despicable crimes are not done by religious zealots or mullahs but waderas the local landlord against the poor peasant hindu families, as like all other 3rd world countries with weak law and justice structure state unable to protect the weaker segments of society,
        you’re also right about the burning of 3 temples in Hyderabad couple of years back, but the point is unlike India how many of those despicable miscreants who committed such grave crimes against humanity condoned by any political party or running for elections in line to become Prime minister of Pakistan.
        on other hand in india the very political party and the very person who actually led the procession to demolition of babri mosque is your prime minister that too with thumping majority, that shows in which country the extremism is mainstreamed cause they collectively elected a fascist as there prime minister with thumping majority and that my friend makes all the difference.
        we as a society are fighting the militants in Pakistan, while you are electing yours in power.

        • Vikram says:

          A state where ANYONE can be arrested and hanged just on accusation of blasphemy, where non-Muslims are officially regarded as second class citizens….and still you have the gall and chutzpah to chest-thump on how Pakistan is better than India when it comes to minority rights? If this is the severely deluded and schizophrenic state of Pakistani society, then we should just cut all relations until some sense prevails in your country….any engagement with Pakistan is a sheer waste of time and energy

  6. Satish N says:

    Tufail’s article nailed FakeLiberals on both sides of the border.
    he very reason why this article gets published in Nationalist site while RazaRumi’s pro ISI article gets published in alleged “Mainstream media” websites like Fcukpost, Deal_O, Troll_in ? shows who is working for Pak from India.

  7. lucshet says:

    A good attempt to depict the stark reality. However, one must take into account that the political class is not interested in resolving the issue. This results in the average human being on both sides of the border who perhaps have no vested interest being made targets. The political boundaries separate them but that their social and religious boundaries are inseparable is quite obvious. Not only the liberals or moderates in Pakistan choose to be silent, but even the civil society in India is silent on the atrocities committed on the under – privileged irrespective of the religion they profess. Today, to seek answers to any question is considered a crime – to be termed as working against the national interest. This applies to people of good will on both sides.

  8. Hamad says:

    What really bothers the Pakistan-haters is that Pakistan has nukes, they know India can’t run over Pakistan so they come up with a lot of garbage to defame Pakistan.

    • gp65 says:

      There was no reference to nukes in this article. It is only Pakistani leaders who keep making bombastic claims about being atomi taaqat. Have you seen Indian or Chinese or Russian or French or British or American leaders ever do that? Instead of becoming secure now that you have nuclear weapons, you have become even more paranoid that people will snatch them away from you.

      • Hamad says:

        Go read what Indian leaders said after their nuke test

        • Krispy K says:

          Lol. I hope your demented leaders are never stupid enough to actually use those cheap Chinese trinkets that make up your “deterrent”, they’re liable to explode on the launch pads. Irradiation is the last thing you people need, you already have enough deformities through inbreeding.

          • Hamad says:

            I think the real nuke is watching you guys drown in your own sewage from lack of toilets and exhaust yourself from raping every woman you see on the street.

          • Krispy K says:

            LOL! Why do Indians need to build toilets anyway? We have the world’s biggest toilet on our Western border. We can dump all of our shit there. And as for “rape” – you probably don’t want to use that particular example of empty propaganda, seeing as it was one of the favourite pastimes of your “prophet”.

            Anyway Abdul, I sense your misery and understand it. May I suggest suicide as an option to alleviate your pain? Without the exploding vest, that is.

          • Hamad says:

            Mmmmmmm, this beef burger tastes so good.

          • Krispy K says:

            Makes a change from sucking your mullah’s “pork”, eh Mustapha? Twat.

          • Hamad says:

            Oh hanuman monkey-boy, are you upset that your wife won’t jump into the fire with your burning corpse?

          • Krispy K says:

            I don’t have a wife, I just use yours. She’s so fat and ugly though I much prefer her to keep on the full-body blanket. It helps with the odour too.

            Now run along Hacccchhhkkkmed, don’t you have some goat/kafir/woman to slaughter/rape etc? And next time you think about hauling your fat, hairy pork-eating Arab-wannabe backside onto an Indian website to talk crap, think again. To the extent you people are capable of thinking at all, of course. Degenerate.

          • Hamad says:

            Why are you so vulgar? Oh yeah, I forgot, you guys worship a penis. Makes sense now.

          • Krispy K says:

            Funny, I would have thought “vulgar” was an appropriate term for the behaviour of that demented psychopath you call your “prophet”. Isn’t he the “ideal” you autodetonators look up to? I don’t think the worshippers of a child molester, wife-kidnapper and brutal mass murderer have any business calling anyone else “vulgar”.

            Now run along Waqas, your mullah is calling and it’s time for you to stick your fat arse towards Mecca for the 786th time today. Your Arab overlords demand it.

          • Hamad says:

            Don’t forget to feed some milk to Ghanesh today!!!! It gets very thirsty

          • Krispy K says:

            Oh dear! Is that the best you can do Hakeem? Too much time in your madrassa learning how to murder kafirs/sucking off your perverted mullah and not enough time developing your communication skills. Pathetic.

            Anyway, I’m bored with you now. But before I leave you to lurch around your pigsty, here’s a tip. Try to avoid blowing anyone up for one whole week, see if you can do it. It would be a great achievement, wouldn’t it Mahmood? And you never know, if you can’t resist the temptation (we both know it’s next to impossible for you maggots) maybe you’ll kill yourself and you’ll get the chance to be born as a human being in your next life. Fingers crossed!

          • Hamad says:

            Nah, I would not follow the methods of the hindu tamil tigers who were suicide bombing civilians.

          • Krispy K says:

            Typical bullshit from a bullshitting Mussalman. “Hindu” Tamil Tigers? The Tamil Tigers are not a “Hindu” organisation you Mohammedan fuckwit, they are an ethnic Tamil organisation. They are not made up exclusively of Hindus, either. Understand the difference?

            Stop trying to divert attention from your mass murdering ways Mustapha. You are an inbred fuckwit who follows a backward cult created by a demonic child-molester and mass-murderer. Period.

            Now, go get that vest on Abdul, don’t you have a marketplace to bomb or something?

          • Hamad says:

            Tamil tigers were mostly Hindu and who liked to kill civilians-in fact the mid-east terrorist groups drew inspiration from them. And you should be glad that Muslims ever came to your filthy land, they gave you tourism (Taj Mahal), military strength (Abdul kalam) and even Bollywood’s biggest stars are Muslim. If not for Muslims, you guys would be only doing what you do best- marrying dogs to humans and hindu tribal elders judging that girls will be gang-raped if their brothers run off with women.

          • Civil War says:

            LOL Hamad. Abdul Kalam is military strength? What about the fact that India has defeated Pakistan in 4 wars – 1947,1965,1971 and 1999? Or do your textbooks/madrassas tell you that Pakistan won those wars? LOL.
            If you want military strength, how about Shivaji, who started the annihilation of the Mughal Empire. The best you Muslims can do nowadays is reproduce like….dogs….and suicide bombings. But the main thing that population growth will really do is lead to civil wars within your own countries.

          • Hamad says:

            Lol, the only war that was a clear-cut victory was 1971, which is pretty pathetic considering the quantitative advantages india has. How did the 62 war against china go for you guys, lololol

          • Kafir says:

            HAHAHA
            Are you Chinese? You are so desperate to score a point that you have to lap the coattails of the Kafir Chinese?
            You act like victory in war is akin to a cricket match. War victories need not be clear cut; they are determined by the objectives of the respective armies. Thus WWI did not see the same result of WWII (the conquest of Germany) but in the first, the Allies still were the victors since their objective was different than in WWII.
            Thus in the Indian-Pakistani wars, the Indian objectives were accomplished while the Pakistanis failed, miserably, in all 4, to achieve what they wanted.

            Now if India actually wanted to conquer Pakistan in each of the 4 wars, your point might have some validity. But so far that has not been an Indian objective.

          • Hamad says:

            The Chinese example is to show how India fares when it has no qualitative advantage. And the Indian generals were boasting about capturing Lahore in 65, did not quite work out that way 🙂

  9. IndiannotAmused says:

    One of the most well written articles on the issue of Porki terrorism.This article gets to the roots of the problem and exposes the so called “Pakistani state” in all its pink [or grren] J….ist underwear. It is hard to add anything to such a piece.If I were to insert just one point,it would be this.The ISI does have a support constituency.It is found in the Pakistani diaspora based in UK. This class is wealthy,shops in Harrod’s stores and travels business class or higher by air.They also sport British accent and are socially suave.Aaaaand………they are Terrorist-Sympathizers. This is what is referred to as the RAPE class…………Rich Anglophone Pakistani Elite. Any targeting of ISI has to necessarily include this class of people. Sorry if I hurt any liberal-leftist-politically correct sensibilities.

  10. Lalit Ambardar says:

    Well articulated Pakistanis’ intellectual perfidy that India’s so called secular- libs especially the media celeb men and women have been feeding gullible Indians. Pakistan’s bleed India Kashmir Jihad not stir India’s liberal conscience, nor does Kashmir-Jihad led genocide of aboriginal minority of Kashmiri Hindus. Even 26/11 Mumbai massacre stands forgotten. Name one so called moderate or liberal in Pakistan who dares challenge Pakistan’s two nation inspired India policy. There is none ! Even SAFMA was hijacked and it had become another ISI tool to pursue Pakistan’s interests while Indians unabashedly collaborated. India’s peaceniks are compulsively Pakistan/ Kashmir Jihad apologists , nudge India bend to satiate Pakistan and kashmiri Islamists; Pakistan’s obediently follow Rawalpindi line on India and Kashmir.

    Claims of liberalism & adherence to pan Islamism led Two nation theory that Pakistan is based on, is an oxymoron.

  11. VeVePe says:

    As regards the Samjhauta attack, Tufail should have pointed out:

    (1) The person indicted by the UN for this is Arif Qasmani of the LeT
    (2) Headley’s wife has also confirmed the LeT role in the Samjhauta attack

    The arrest of Indians for the Samjhauta attack is an unfortunate consequence of the Congress party’s traitorous vote bank politics.

  12. Dr. MS says:

    Good article Tufail. But why use the word “liberal”? The word liberal does not only apply to “political party positions, but to a range of economic issues connected to social service, social security, universal social aid or support and social responsibility for all members or disenfranchised struggling members of the community”. I suggest another word for what you are saying in stead of “liberal”…”Liberal” should not become a dirty “L” word. But your distinction between people and the State is correct.

    There is a tendency to want to protect, promote and expand the Islamic state by some. Months ago a Pakistani journalist said “the first ISIS is Pakistan…not Syria, etc.” I never thought of it that way before but his argument was quite persuasive. Thanks for a well researched insightful article. And I do not like Indians, who get so excited, that they start hitting out at their liberals in a silly shallow way causing a new kind of divide and rule. That too needs to be avoided.

    Thanks for the article.

  13. AAtifGoraya says:

    and india is full of fake liberals like tufail who fail to see indain atrocities in kashmir

    • Chetan Chauhan says:

      Islamofascists in Kashmir use some of these alleged atrocities to commit many more of their own and are brainwashing Kashmiri Youth to hate India because it isn’t an Islamic Country like Pakistan.
      Religious bigotry is a Pakistani hallmark.

    • Mukul Mittal says:

      You do not have anything to factually counter what is written by Tufail Latif, and just claim victim hood. Wonderful logic indeed!

    • mack says:

      no wonder after Indian atrocities you can walk around with suit boot

    • gp65 says:

      Unlike FATA where Pakistani army is bombing its own territory and citizens, Indian army has NEVER bombed Kashmir. A million Pashtuns have been driven out of their homes in FATA. Kashmiri Muslims were however not driven out of their homes – only Kashmiri Pandits were. That should clarify the source of the violence.

    • krishnakumar says:

      Ha ha Aatif bhai, by atrocity, you mean the Hindustani soldiers helping out our kashmiri moslem brethern during floods in Srinagar. Syed Ali Shah geelani trying to prevent Bharat sena distributing relief materials but getting their help to get out of a flood hell is no atrocity.

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