Yoga has a religion: it is Hinduism
My immediate response to the assertion that ‘Yoga has no religion’ is a flat denial. Because I know Yoga, Yoga is a friend of mine and I can truthfully attest to the fact that Yoga does indeed have a religion. He’s a Hindu. Therefore anyone making the claim that Yoga has no religion is either ignorant or is a liar (maybe both) since it is categorically and emphatically false. Do I make myself clear?
Oh, they mean the practice of yoga, the set of physical and mental exercises that originated in India and is widely used across the world for improving physical and spiritual well-being? Well, well, then let me address that ‘Yoga has no religion’ claim. Spoiler alert: it is a stupid, meaningless statement made by the congenitally ignorant demonstrating a mentally disabling but well-deserved inferiority complex.
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‘Yoga has no religion’ belongs to a category of statements that are syntactically sound but semantically empty like the statement ‘Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.‘ (Briefly hold the cursor over the link for a reference. Always a good idea to do so.)
The statement is indeed well-formed and has the usual English subject-predicate structure with ‘Yoga’ as the subject and the predicate ‘has no religion.’ And unless the subject refers to a human being (real or imaginary), the statement is semantic nonsense: it is neither true nor false. Meaningful statements are either true or their converse is true. Consider the statement ‘Cars have no possessions.’ It is meaningless because neither it nor its contradiction is true. People have possessions; inanimate objects don’t.
Cars can be possessions, however. Or a car may be abandoned and therefore have no possessor. Cars can be possessed but cars do not possess. That distinction is important and worth keeping in mind if one is interested in not coming across as an imbecile.
Yoga is a technique (I am not referring to my aforementioned friend who has a PhD in material science, not spiritual science), a way of doing or thinking about things just like modern science, or motorcycle maintenance, or psychoanalysis, or minimalism, or gymnastics, or terrorism. All of those things are not people. Only people have the capacity to understand, believe in, and profess ideologies such as a religion. Thus it is meaningful to say that James has or does not have a religion. If James is a self-identified atheist, one can truthfully assert that ‘James has no religion.’ But saying ‘Material science has no religion’ is revealing asininity.
A related cretinous statement to ‘Yoga has no religion’ is ‘Terrorism has no religion’ — usually made by the same retards. Terrorism is a technique or a strategy, not a person. A terrorist is a person. Therefore a terrorist can be said to have or not have a religion. Thus, for instance, when a terrorist asserts that he is following the commands of Allah as revealed to the prophet of Islam and preserved in the Islamic holy book the Koran, and kills innocents as he blows himself up, it makes sense to say, ‘the terrorist is a Muslim’ but it makes no sense to say ‘Terrorism has no religion.’
Those statements are just plain abuse of language. One does not have to take a course on general semantics or become an expert on Korzybski’s thesis to stop misuse of language. I argue for the proper use of language, and basic sanity in general.
Anyway, let’s get back to yoga — note the lower-case ‘y’. Yoga is a technique that was developed in India centuries ago, and belongs to Hinduism (and its theological off-springs such as Buddhism and Jainism) in the sense that those who created it self-identified as Hindus (regardless of whether they used the word ‘Hindu’ or ‘Sanatana dharma’) and is preserved in the sacred scriptures of what is known as Hinduism. All of yoga’s ancient practitioners have been Hindus and only in modern times, have non-Hindus started using the technique. Practicing yoga does not make one a Hindu. But merely because non-Hindus or non-Indians can (and do) practice yoga does not alter the fact that yoga is a Hindu tradition and its provenance is entirely Indian.
Let me use this analogy. I love bhajans. I love Buddhist chants. I love Christian sacred music. Mozart’s ‘Requiem in D minor‘ or Bach’s ‘St Matthews Passion’ or Handel’s ‘Messiah’, move me to tears. That music is absolutely, distinctly Christian. My appreciation of it does not make me a Christian, and the fact that non-Christians can relate to the music does not uproot the music from its Christian ground. Music does not have a religion but different religions have different musical traditions. Meerabhajans are Hindu; Tibetan chants are Buddhist; Gregorian chants are Roman Catholic.
Yoga is Indian and more specifically Hindu in that sense. Hindu sacred texts contain its principles; Hindus were its principal authorities; Hindus, and only Hindus, practiced it for centuries. The yoga asanas such as the Surya Namaskar are Hindu practices. Wikipedia notes, ‘Its origins lie in India where its large Hindu population worships Surya, the Hindu solar deity. This sequence of movements and asanas can be practised on varying levels of awareness, ranging from that of physical exercise in various styles, to a complete sadhana which incorporates asana, pranayama, mantra and chakra meditation.’
Also, here’s an everyday clue that yoga is Hindu: only Hindus name their children Yoga or Yogananada; Christians, Muslims, Jews don’t.
Indeed, many prominent Muslim and Christian authorities have issued religious edicts prohibiting their coreligionists from doing yoga. These people are quite understandably wary of yoga — it is a Hindu practice and is more than likely to ‘corrupt’ them. Yoga is a gateway, a mechanism, a means, a road to reaching enlightenment. Enlightenment is a uniquely Indian spiritual goal. Unlike in the Abrahamic religions which focus entirely on pleasing a monotheistic god who demands absolute obedience, the Indic religions’ goal is liberation or moksha, the removal of the illusion that one is not the Supreme Being.
Spiritual advancement, not obedience to some super-big-daddy-in-the-sky, is the goal of yoga. Etymologically, yoga is a cognate of ‘yoke’ — to unite, to bind. The idea is to yoke yourself to the ultimate principle behind the universe, the universal consciousness. Yoga is essentially about mind and its control. And if one starts with the physical bits, who knows whether one will gravitate towards the non-physical bits. And that would not be very good for the proselytizing religions.
My position on who should do yoga, who should be prohibited, who should be forced, etc, is very simple. It is in keeping with my fundamental principle: do what you will. I don’t like coercion and I do not coerce. If you want to do yoga, fine. If you don’t want to do yoga, fine. Do whatever you want to do, do it to your heart’s content but don’t coerce — in yoga or anything at all.
You may ask, what brought on this rant. Well, wonder no more. It was this tweet:
No sir, yoga is an integral part of Hinduism. Yes, it may be practiced universally but it is and will remain Hindu. Get used to it. I guess it sucks for you but you just have to suck it up.
[Free language lesson thrown in: ‘Suck it up’: Idiom — to accept whatever calamity, pain, suffering, anguish or whatever unpleasantness is occurring (and stoically endure it).]
I am not familiar with Shahid Siddiqui’s work but I have a hunch that he may have claimed ‘Terrorism has no religion.’ Bombs have no religion too. Nor do planes, and automobiles. Come to think of it, my derrière has no religion, too. So what.
(This was first published on the author’s blog)






Thanks for taking astand on what should have been obvious. While idiotic “secular: Hindus seek to delink yoga form their faith, others are only too happy to co-opt and digest it. Hence oxymoronic things like Christian Yoga, Son Salutations etc. In a few centuries Christians would like to claim yoga is as Christian as the easter egg, xmas tree and so on-all porud pagan traditions they also stole and debased
Yoga without chanting of OM ,Gyatri Mantra and devotion to Shiva,the Adiyogi ( who gave the concept of Yoga), is mere PT drill..
whites are illegal in america since 1492′ and british are illegal in eastern kanata since 1775.french also dont belong there.
people of Israel are all illegal occupiers and should be kicked out of Palestinian territory.the british aided them Europeans in to stealing palestines land and America illegal whites who stole America from native Indians were the first to illegally recognize Israel as a official country not even a century ago on the date of May14,1948.whites dont belong there.
Copernicus published his theory of the revolution of earth in the year1543,1000 years before Copernicus was Aryabhatta in 5th century(400-500ce) who stated that the earth revolves around the sun. the radio was invented by Jagdish Chandra NOT marconi.the arithmetic,number system,number zero all invented in IndiA,the first university in the entire world was invented in North IndiA (Takshashila university)Busddhism invented in IndiA(Gautam Buddh siddharta)Jainism,hinduism sathanam dharam invented in IndiA,iron ore(for traintracks)are property of IndiA,trigonometry is IndiA,pharmaceuticals are intelectual property of IndiA.swastika originated in IndiA(Vedic-svastika)’svasti’.the shampoo invented in IndiA (Vedic-champoo)the word ‘arya’ is a sanskrit word and comes from IndiA.just letting you know now that british and greeks as well germans stole some sanskrit scriptures and lied about their Aryan invasion theory led by max Mueller so there is no coincidence whites plain off stole some vedic scriptures and try to claim it for their own as if they were the ones who invented vedas when they definitely are not nor do they have anything to do with our religion. there is no such thing as indo European so that proto indo European fabricated garbage theory is all lies. whites were not in IndiA during Aryan time frame.abrahamic religions are not ancient at all and sathanam dharam is older than judaism,christianity and islamic religion as the swastika is older than the egyptian AnkH .all muslims should be kicked out of IndiA they don’t belong there as they are invaders since1100 ce.christians should also be kicked out. these inferior religions are to be taken out of IndiA and send those people back to middle east and europe.christianity and Islamic religion dont belong in IndiA
yoga definitely does NOT belong to white europeans.whites should f off and quit bastardizing our intellectual property and marketing off it.whites tried stealing our achievements and our religion. they have hijacked our swastika and claim they are aryan when they are mlecchas. they also tried stealing our turmeric powder,ginger and cumin and had to reverse the patent the European scum tried to steal it which is outright theft.dont allow white filthy scum in our country whites should not be allowed a travelling visa.also whites should be kicked out of kanata and America as they are native lands and natives are trying to get a bill to be implemented to kick all europeans out.hawaiians hate whites as well and call whites HAOULE,mexicans hate whites for annexing their lands state of texas Arizona and california. Thailand people murdered two whites and 38 british mainly got killed inTunisia (North Africa)whites are hated everywhere for their lies and missappropriation and straight out mockery of other races heritage.whites have no respect for anyone.boycott whites and never hire these discusting germbags of herpes.gora tutti.
yoga does belong to hindu religion as shiva (shiv) was the first yogi
Absolutely, Yog has religion and its ethos firmly rooted in Sanatan Dharma (later known as Hinduism )
Only those dalaals who trade Yog, sell Yog for money by investing in large Ashrams like SriSri, Jaggi Vasudev, Bharat Thakurs etc sell Yog telling it has no religion. These are Dalaals whom Modi was cautioning today that lets not degrade Yog to an extant that we need to advertise ” Pure Yog taught here” just like we now promote “pure ghee”
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well written…congratulations!
I should have posted a more detailed response in the first place. After reading part of the above article and some of the responses, I realize that too many different points have got mixed up. I will post a clarification, probably this weekend.
There are two different impressions of Yoga that are being addressed. The physical practice and the philosophy, which includes other paths such as Bhakti Yoga, Jnana Yoga etc. As it has been in the news lately, I originally assumed that it was the physical practice that was being claimed as inseparable from Hinduism but responded with a reference to philosophy.
That said, Hatha Yoga was never intended to be simply physical “exercises” for good health but it is possible to practice it that way. So, whatever its origin, it can be practiced without any religious affiliation.
My other points still stand:
Please study logical fallacies. Then you will know better than to make spurious arguments such as because only Hindus name their children Yoga…. or Cars have no possessions. Completely irrelevant!
i think those are relevant points.
Good for you! Keep living in your illogical fog!
Terrorism is now becoming synonym of Islam. Islamic jihad is spreading like a virus from south west Asia to rest of the world. Islamic ideology of Jihad is the major threat to world peace.
well written …
Hello all. Here is an interesting link that discusses about IS YOGA A RELIGION. Check it out. http://www.swamij.com/religion.htm
The very question is bogus. Yoga was never a religion in itself. So to ask a fallacious question and then give a fallacious answer is to insult the audience. The question is Is yoga Hindu? Of course it is unless Patanjali was secular. And Yoga is not Hindu is like terrorism has no religion and beef ban is not religious. All of this should be compiled into a book, Political discourse for Idiot Hindus.
Madame Rajan,
Alacrity of your short, admonishing reply surprised and honoured me. However, your labeling
– IS YOGA A RELIGION as ‘fallacious’ and ‘the link’ provided, equally fallacious, did not surprise. With due respect to you, same label can be tagged to this article or its purpose can be questioned, but I desist.
However, here is my surprise to your surmise: I am neither a SECULAR nor an Intellectual but neither a fool nor a stupid to label Patanjali a Secular. With little wisdom that came my way, I can only discern and differentiate that: 1] YOGA was developed by a Hindu seer Patanjali 2] But not exclusively for Hindus since us Hindus [I am proud to be one] believed then and believe still in “Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam or 4] Certain aspects turn Universal irrespective of Religion of its creator.
Ergo, why panic and label it ‘Hindu’ – if YOGA is gaining Global popularity [though not recognition] and is being exploited commercially? Can such labeling stop the world from benefiting more from YOGA than us? What did we do with Vedas which were used more intelligently by the West by stealing the knowledge therein?
And what have we done to stop Christians from appropriating Bhagavad Gita; showcasing Lord Krishna as Incarnation of Christ or maliciously using such emotive legends to woo unlettered Hindus into their fold? [Ironically, I have learnt all of it and more from your earlier articles on this site and respect you for the same.]
Last but not the least; I am looking forward to the Book for Stupid Hindus you mention, with an humble request though: let that book be worded simply sans intellectual verbiage. Because…stupid Hindus [yours truly included] can be reached only through simple language they can understand. With warmest regards
– KRV
Oh dont worry. Because this book is for Idiot Hindus it will be in words of one syllable.
Yoga is quintessentially Hindu. It blends with Indic world view and is antithetical to Semitic religions. Yogic world view and Semitic world view are mutually exclusive. Yoga’s aim to join Jivatma with Paramatma.
Aim of Islam and Christianity is to go to heaven, and cast all others (Yogis included ) into eternal hell. So irrespective of whether Yoga is a religion or not it is a part and parcel of Hinduism. And can never go with exclusive chauvinistic claims of Islam/Christianity.
When expanding the term Abrahamic religions kindly include “Judaism’ as well. It is extremely unfair to somehow think of Semitic religions without including the oldest among them which is Judaism. Judaism came first, then came Christianity and then came Islam…in terms of historical timeline.
Here is a brief history from Wikipedia which got this subject quite right
Abrahamic religions (also Semitic religions) are monotheistic religions of West Asian (now Middle Eastern) origin, emphasizing and tracing their common origin to Abraham or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him.
As of the early 21st century, it was estimated that 54% of the world’s population (3.8 billion people) considered themselves adherents of the Abrahamic religions. Hindus are about 13% of the global population only. Though Jews are about .23% they are part of the 54% Abrahamic religions
The largest Abrahamic religions in chronological order of founding are Judaism (1st millennium BCE), Christianity (1st century CE), and Islam (7th century CE); the Bahá’í Faith(19th century CE) is sometimes listed as well.
It has been suggested that the phrase, “Abrahamic religion”, may simply mean that all these religions come from one spiritual source. Christians refer to Abraham as a “father in faith”. There is an Islamic religious term,Millat Ibrahim (faith of Ibrahim), indicating that Islam sees itself as having practices tied to the traditions of Abraham. Jewish tradition claims descent from Abraham, and adherents follow his practices and ideals as the first of the three spiritual “fathers” or biblical Patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
All the major Abrahamic religions claim a direct lineage to Abraham:
Yes, Judaism is the first Abrahamic faith, Second is Christianity, third is Islam.
Old Testament: “And the Lord said to Abraham, do you see the sands and the stars, so shall be the number of your descendants.” Interesting his descendants spiritually speaking, are getting close to that number. All the more impressive is the fact the oldest record of these words were written when the Hebrews were a few hundred thousand.
The aim of neither religious groups is throw any one into hell. That is done by the individual. Let’s be fair here. Only Jews want to send people to hell. Now. Lol.
that’s correct, no white faux hippys should be trying to distort our country’s intellectual property let alone market off it.
This is as senseless as the basic premise that YOGA or GRAVITY can have
any religion. At best, this article is Intellectual
gobbledegook…confusion confounded.
Thanks to Atanu Dey for coming up with this much needed article.
Of course , Yoga is very much Hindu. I cannot comprehend why Hindus are in denial. Gravity too is mentioned in Vedas as has been pointed out by Kaanchi Paramacharya.
Yoga is a technique,it doesn’t understand religion!!!!
Congrats Dr Atanu for calling the secular bluff. YOGA IS HINDU.Lord Krishna is called Yogeshwar.
HAF came up with the great logic that the Hindu crib is not about ownership but about origin of yoga. Which means things that H create are for everybody (which is what the seculars have us believe anyway) while others have their respective “sectarian” properties. Another problem with the fake universalism of neo-Hindus.
Good article. Delinking Yoga from Hindu-roots is good for yoga business & anti-Hindu politics. So both, Selfish Businessmen & anti-Hindus, are busy doing it.
JaggiVasudev is using false-analogy like ‘if yoga is hindu then gravity is christian’. A more apt comparision would be ‘if Zero is Hindu then gravity is Christian’ or ‘if yoga is hindu then 10commandments is Christian’.
Few years back Hindu American Foundation ran a Link Yoga Back to Hinduism campaign. In response,
Deepak Chopra claimed that Yoga is several 1000 year old but Hinduism is just few 100 year old.
Check http://www.hafsite.org/media/pr/takeyogaback
Stupid comment by Deepak Chopra.
I have never understood Deepak Chopra’s popularity in the US or among the “Indian business class in the US”. He always appeared to me as a fake, a shallow man and one who merely borrows and likes ‘money, selling and attention”. But at least he provided some knowledge about Hinduism, though basic, to people who were clueless in the 70s and the 80s. Beyond that he is useless. When people develop an overly simplistic definition of love as only “within the family” forgetting that families need community, communities need country and a country needs a strong smart efficient reliable visionary government that provides and protects, they are a danger.
Studies have shown that those countries where there is good government, good services and good support for the young, the old, the sick and the marginalized….people are healthy and happy, and they are also effectively community minded and productive. When everybody relies on family exclusively for everything (economic needs, physical needs, social needs, cultural needs and emotional needs…) exhaustion sets in…and we have family stress, arguments, divorce, anger, depression, resentment, discord, drinking, debt, distance and detachment (without love. but lot of duty and obligation only).
One needs family and community. And in the modern world, that is not feudal or village bound, community includes “government and good governance with good social programs”.
How come it is so hard for some to understand this?
And US is no longer providing this to people who gave to the country as residents or citizens.
Somebody said, “In stead it is now taking money from Indian banks that are giving away loans to third rates to study in the US, US has no intention of employing these people…but merely taking their money. Why do idiots do this? Can they not see the set up under this? Why is India giving these people loan when they are going to be unable to pay it or they will be working in the US for US economy and interests returning very little to India. India is so stupid that it is allowing their own people to become bonded laborers, and giving money to rich countries”.
actually laws of gravity was founded by a indian astronomer named Bhaskaracharya 1200 years before sir Isaac newton.
First my dear friend- yoga fled to Imdia im exile from Egypt…the earliest Yoga was Egyptian…maybe Hinduism embraced the practice or what ever, but Egyptians around 354BC were not Hindu…so the first evolution of Yogic art was not Hindu
That is the limit.Yoga is India is older than that.
Absolute nonsense. Are you guys just picking things up from air…and fa&^%$# it out of your backsides? Really? Yoga from Egypt? What will you say next? It is from Northern Territories of Canada, or Alaska?
Did that come to you in an LSD-fuelled haze or something?
I think the trouble is in how Dharmic people see what is called “religion”, and how the Abrahmic faiths see it.
These viewspoints are completely at loggerheads with each other.
One of them gives you a substrate upon which you’re supposed to build, and the other is mundane and tells you that someone trying to prove the current doctrine is a heretic.
Once again, the Indian world uses self styled hypothesis to try and uphold or challenge a position. Yoga is not Hindu, because Hinduism has little if anything to do with the Vedas on which it is supposedly based.
Yoga comes from the root yuj which means to connect. Yoga involves several levels of personal discipline and philosophical inquiry such that one becomes aware of oneself, the world and eventually God. Where throwing powder at each other on Holi, eating sweets on Diwali, and getting stoned on Sivaratri fits in is anyone’s guess.
Once again, the lay Hindu pretends scholarly when in fact he doesn’t even know what he is saying. “Hinduism” “Veda” “yoga” three different spheres first mixed up and related, and then separated with pretense of knowledge.
That is the height of stupidity.
This is ABSOLUTE nonsense! Yoga developed as a non-theistic practice. Sankhya philosophy was linked with it later.
PS Please study logical fallacies. Then you will know better than to make spurious arguments such as because only Hindus name their children Yoga…. or Cars have no possessions. Completely irrelevant!
PPS Not withstanding my username, I am an Indian who studied Yoga with B K S Iyengar and Indian Philosophy in college, in India. I know whereof I speak.
As an Iyengar, BKS should have recognized that true yoga ended with Nathamuni. His yoga is as commercial as anyone else’s.
Explain what you mean, if you can.
Dear clueless,
Yoga, like everything else, is handed down through a guru-sishya paramapara, going back thousands of years.
According to the Sri Vaishnavas – the Iyengar caste of which I am a member – their connection to Karma, Jnana and Bhakthi yoga and its ancillary Hatha yoga, ended in 1100 CE with the passing of Yamuna, one of the preeminent teachers of the faith. All that was left was prapatti, the path of surrender, which all Iyengars who understand the faith practice.
I am quite well-read thank you, and have learned under an Acharya. So, show some respect, dufus.
The only thing you seem to know how to do is to engage in ad hominem attacks. You say nothing of relevance to the writer’s claim that Yoga is inherently Hindu or to my response.
1. Iyengar’s Yoga is commercial.
2. Dear Clueless
3. Dufus
Ad hominem attacks are a clear sign that the poster has nothing of substance to say.
All your noise about when Yoga ended and the Iyengar’s history is irrelevant. Iyengar studied with Krishnamacharya. He also read Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras and wrote a book on them. He also studied other ancient Yoga texts. As for your claim of commercialism, unlike Bikram and other scammers, Iyengar only charged a nominal fee for his classes. Moreover, he, his children, and his certified teachers did not/do not charge those who do not work–such as school-age students.
Your Acharya must be hanging his head in shame at your behavior.
There is nothing non-theistic or atheistic or theistic about yoga, it is a different cross section. Most traditions have yogic component, both in theistic and non-theistic levels. Sankhya did not get linked to yoga, yoga develops from sankhya giving methods to realize what sankhya propounds.
I do not have the time to refer to my texts, right now. So, I will provide this summary from Wikipedia:
Yoga is closely related to Samkhya in its philosophical foundations.
The Yoga school derives its ontology and epistemology from Samkhya and adds to it the concept of Isvara.[91] However, scholarly opinion on the actual relationship between Yoga and Samkhya is divided. While, Jakob Wilhelm Hauer and Georg Feuerstein believe that Yoga was tradition common to many Indian schools and its association with Samkhya was artificially foisted upon by commentators such as Vyasa. Johannes Bronkhorst and Eric Frauwallner think that Yoga never had a philosophical system separate from Samkhya. Bronkhorst further adds that the first mention of Yoga as a separate school of thought is no earlier than Śankara’s (c. 788–820 CE)[92] Brahmasūtrabhaśya.[93]
I do not intend to base my view on second/third rate views, definitely not from online version of britannica an xtian venture. For those who upturned our entire past and knowledge, it is not difficult to reverse these things.
Coming back to Yoga and Samkhya, Yoga post-dates Samkhya and explicitly mentions it has no worldview to propound which is different from Samkhya. In fact it was not even proposed as a worldview so its “later getting associated” only indicates the lack of dArSanic knowledge of the white folk arguing in the quote above.
The internet would be a much better place if everyone was required to pass a test on Logical Fallacies before posting a comment.
Here are your fallacies:
1.on second/third rate views
2. definitely not from online version of britannica an xtian venture.
3. For those who upturned our entire past and knowledge,
You will find the same information, as in the Western texts, in well-known Indian texts such as those authored by Dasgupta or Radhakrishna or other Indian authors–Hindus, no less. Your prejudice is truly pathetic.
I think, Rajiv Malhotra`s book– Indra`s net, has a good description of the relation of Samkhya system with Yoga.
There is a recent work, that explain these issues, from a historical perspective–
http://www.amazon.com/History-Yoga-Deepika-Kothari/dp/B00LORWW5Y
{And,as everyone would have known by now, Wikipedia is not at all a genuine source for Historical information}
Thank You
Well, of course, you do. Malhotra, like some of you here, presents a distortion of facts, an oversimplification of Indian history and thought, etc. It is good that he questions the Western approach but bad that he presents biased and simplistic nonsense as an alternative.
Can you give examples of ‘Simplistic Nonsense’ by Rajiv Malhotra?
PS Another logical fallacy: And,as everyone would have known by now,
Start educating yourself: http://www.logicalfallacies.info
PS start putting forth valid arguments and state the specific logic fallacies Sree Charan R guilty of instead of pointing towards a list of logical fallacies.
There is no fallacy baba, get your basics what means a fallacy and what is not. That Radhakrishna or Dasgupta went by or say the same things as those doesn’t make these any better quotable, does it? That does not make Dasgupta the one who upturned our knowledge and past, it just makes him a product of his troubled times when clarity was lacking and colonial thought was predominant. That does not take anything away from the white christian west’s perversion and upturning of our knowledge and past. To call a century of western record my prejudice shows how defensive you are on behalf of white christian western predators.
You obviously do not know what a fallacy is. So, you commit some more:
1. the one who upturned our knowledge and past
2. a product of his troubled times when clarity was lacking and colonial thought was predominant.
3. the white christian west’s perversion and upturning of our knowledge and past.
4. on behalf of white christian western predato
As usual, you have nothing to say of substance and no knowledge of what you are talking about. You simply attack the person or the source.
It is quite obvious that you and some of the others posting here hold rigid beliefs about Indian history and thought. Anything that does not fit that worldview, is dismissed as white, christian, western, perversion, or any other dismissive term you can think of.
Is it your comprehension problem or ignorance problem? 1, 3, 4 are about white xtian west. 2 is a victim of it, can’t you make out this much?
As for substance, when you talk of darSanas it is not history but a living tradition whose insiders know its evolution of “thought” better than second and third rate outside-in commenters. There is no question of “belief” here, leave alone “rigid” one.
“You simply attack the person or the source.”
I did not “attack” any person. Nor did I attack the source – I judged the source as second and third rate and if you know what first is first hand, you would know that too.
But anyway, you seem too shallow to understand either the subject or the problems with white christian historic notion of Hindu past. So let me stop here instead of arguing further.
You just keep making yourself look dumber and dumber.
“1, 3, 4 are about white xtian west. 2 is a victim of it, can’t you make out this much?”
I know that 2 refers to Dasgupta. However, you are too stupid to understand that in all 4 cases you are engaging in logical fallacies. Which was my point.
“As for substance, when you talk of darSanas it is not history but a living tradition whose insiders know its evolution of “thought” ”
Even if that statement is true, you conveniently disparage Dasgupta and ignore that the majority of Indian philosophy scholars say the same thing.
“You simply attack the person or the source.”
“I did not “attack” any person. Nor did I attack the source”
Once again, you don’t know what an ad hominem attack is.
The real problem is that you and some others here are so self-deluded and narrow-minded that you cannot accept the facts of Indian history and thought.
“I know that 2 refers to Dasgupta. However, you are too stupid to
understand that in all 4 cases you are engaging in logical fallacies”
You said it thrice without being able to point out any.
“Even if that statement is true, you conveniently disparage Dasgupta and
ignore that the majority of Indian philosophy scholars say the same thing.”
If “that statement is true”, it means you need to get your definition of “Indian philosophy scholar” as to what is primary, what is secondary, what is “scholar” in tradition, what is insider view, what is not. If “that statement is true”, your second and third rate sources cease to be sources. Once your sources are discredited as not primary, all that YOU are saying is nonsensical, less authentic and more authoritarian, deriving strength from numbers and noise. To understand this requires *knowledge*. Not second rate information.
“Once again, you don’t know what an ad hominem attack is.”
No I don’t. Its you who know and do.
“The real problem is that you and some others here are so self-deluded
and narrow-minded that you cannot accept the facts of Indian history and
thought.”
Don’t repeat, ignoramus. You rant “history” and “thought” with no clue whose version and definition of “history” and “thought” you are parroting, how valid it is, what versions exist and what is applicable where.
Like I said, you just keep getting dumber and dumber.
You now say that you do not know what an ad hominem attack is. Yet, your first response to me was “There is no fallacy baba.” How interesting! You do not know what an ad hominem fallacy is but you said that there is no fallacy.
“I know that 2 refers to Dasgupta. However, you are too stupid to
understand that in all 4 cases you are engaging in logical fallacies”
You said it thrice without being able to point out any.
Point out any what? Fallacies? I did. I also provided a link for you to educate yourself on “what means a fallacy and what is not.” to use your comical English.
You can apply your “logic” to Rajiv Malhotra, whom someone else cited. Thus,
Malhotra was trained as a scientist. Therefore, he is not qualified to understand and explain Indian philosophy
Malhotra lived and worked in the USA. So, he has been corrupted by Western thinking. He is a victim of White, Christian society. So, he is fifth-rate.
Malhotra is a Hindu. So, everyone knows that he is biased.
That is your illogical approach applied to someone who must be your hero.
PS. One of the things India Facts says is “We seek to protect our dharma against all attempts at Distortion & Appropriation of our identity & culture, through rebuttals backed with rigorous research.” You need to learn what “rigorous research” means.
PPS. India Facts researchers include Konraad Elst and Yvette Claire Rosser. According to you, Westerners are second, third, or whatever rate “scholars.” So, why are these two allowed to work with India Facts?
PPPS. You really should spend your time promoting and preserving Hindu superiority. So, get PM Modi to permanently ban Maggi noodles. After all, Indian food … sorry, Hindu food, is the best. Maggi noodles are a product of White, Western, Christian people. Please purify India, O great Jishnu!
[In case you don’t recognize it, please also look up “what means” sarcasm!]
“You now say that you do not know what an ad hominem attack is. Yet, your first response to me was “There is no fallacy baba.” ”
Is ad hominem attack a logical fallacy, you ignoramus?
“Point out any what? Fallacies? I did.”
No, you liar. You did not point ANY fallacy in what I said. Nor did you point out where there is ad hominem in what I said, you liar. You pretended that you found out one, and repeated that claim thrice. You have NOT pointed out any.
Rest of the nonsense you produced, demonstrates you do not even know what logic means. If YOU distort an argument under the fashionable label of sarcasm, does it become a “logical fallacy” in what I said, you know-nothing? DO you even know that sarcasm does not make for a logical counter, you ignoramus?
You really must like making a fool of yourself.
1. Do you know the meaning of the word “ignoramus?” That is what you are.
a. You say that you do not know what a fallacy is.
b. Yet, you say that “there is no fallacy baba.”
c. You now ask “Is [an] ad hominem attack a logical fallacy…?” Yes, ignoramus, it is. I provided you with a link to educate yourself but, obviously, you have no interest in learning; only in displaying your stupidity.
2. An ad hominem attack is a logical fallacy in which a person attacks a proponent instead of discussing the merits of the argument or thesis. You have done that repeatedly, as I have pointed out, attacking me, attacking Dasgupta, dismissing Wikipedia, etc.
I applied your illogical approach to discredit Malhotra, only as an illustration of how it can applied to a Hindu, born into the tradition, Dharma, or whatever else you would like to say. The point being that he can be discredited on the same basis as your unsophisticated ranting.
” I provided you with a link to educate yourself”
No, liar. You gave me a link so that I can “educate myself” what a logical fallacy is, like a pompous prick, but where exactly have you demonstrated any logical fallacy in MY comment?
“The point being that he can be discredited on the same basis as your unsophisticated ranting.”
Not based on my unsophisticated ranting, liar. Based on your logic that you claim to have gotten from my unsophisticated ranting. That too after switching stand having first claiming sarcasm. That is not even a point. That shows how much you lack basic comprehension.
I even categorically mentioned that you first need to *understand* what primary means and what first hand means, to be able to understand what second rate and third rate means. Which you will not, because your learning is itself third rate. Which is why you try telling me what is “fourth rate”, what is “fifth rate” etc.
“Do you know the meaning of the word “ignoramus?” That is what you are.”
Which is why for four times you made claims without being able to show ANY single “logical fallacy” in my post and kept ranting. Having demonstrated it for four times, having shown no comprehension of logic, forget what you think of big words like “rigorous research”, what primary, secondary, second rate or third rate means in understanding traditions, I do not intend to waste any more time on a proven ignoramus like you.
You appear to be functionally illiterate.
“where exactly have you demonstrated any logical fallacy in MY comment? You have NOT.”
I have done that more than once.
“That too after switching stand having first claiming sarcasm.”
I did not switch anything. The sarcasm was only referring to the suggestion that you purify India of Maggi noodles.
“I even categorically mentioned that you first need to *understand* what primary means and what first hand means, ”
Hey, Donkey, that is exactly the point I made. I showed that your illogical rantings can be used against those who supposedly may be considered “first hand.” So, Malhotra may be a Hindu and he thinks he knows better than well-educated scholars. But, by your “logic,” he can be dismissed as fifth rate because he was trained as a scientist, lived and worked in America, etc. Likewise, one can dismiss IndiaFacts as it has White Westerners contributing research.
You are too stupid to understand that the flaw is with your “reasoning.” Any objective person reading through our posts can tell that you making a fool of yourself over and over again. You just don’t know it.
if Samkhya was artificially foisted upon by commentators such as Vyasa then Jakob Wilhelm Hauer and Georg Feuerstein may also be artificially foisting more nonsense theories
if Samkhya was artificially foisted upon by commentators such as Vyasa then the same can be said about western scholars like Jakob Wilhelm Hauer and Georg Feuerstein because they too may be guilty of artificially foisting more nonsense theories.
BTW are you a communist atheist who wants to dissociate Yoga from Hinduism and make it secular for christians
Here we go again! Another individual badly in need of studying logic. http://www.logicalfallacies.info
1. “if Samkhya was artificially foisted upon by commentators such as Vyasa”
I said came to be associated; nothing about “artificially foisted.”
2. “then the same can be said about western scholars like Jakob Wilhelm Hauer and Georg Feuerstein because they too may be guilty of artificially foisting more nonsense theories.”
Given error 1, this is pointless. Also, “they too may be guilty ..” does not necessarily follow even if 1 were true.
3. “are you a communist atheist” and “has a agenda” and “make it secular for consumption of western christians.”
Ad hominem attack and other nonsense.
4. Devil worshippers?
You do the same thing Mahlotra does sometimes:
1. Engage in ad hominem attacks.
2. Distort positions that does not agree with your own.
3. Make gross generalizations about Western scholars.
etc
Given India’s rich culture and tradition, it can easily be claimed that we have some of the most sophisticated, if not the most sophisticated:
Thought
Literature
Language
Music
Dance
Art
Cuisine
and more
And, yes, this has not always been appreciated by many in the West and even in India. However, the appreciation and promotion of all of this greatness does not need to be done in black-and-white terms. It does not require distortion, oversimplification, denial, overgeneralization, etc.
you wrote:
I just want you to specifically tell me the which logical fallacy are you referring to in the first part of my previous reply.
BTW the communist atheist was not a ad hominem attack but it was just a question.
Oh, no! You have quoted from Wikipedia. Didn’t you learn from Jishnu that it is a second or third rate source that is Christian with a hidden agenda?
And, Sree Charan claims that “as everyone would have known by now, Wikipedia is not at all a genuine source for Historical information”
Are you not the one providing the summary by quoting from Wikipedia (read back on the replies you posted) because I am not guilty of any logical fallacy as I simply used the same source provided by you as the base.
Hey Bhagwan! It was a joke! I was making fun of the two clowns who took the easy way out by simply dismissing Wikipedia.
“that is Christian with a hidden agenda”
the “agenda” isn’t hidden unless one chooses to be blind – whatever “logical” tautologies that might have caused that choice.
Mr. Kaleok, Sankhay philosophy is part of Hindu philosophies. And Hindu meta philosophy has many philosophies…but the six major ones are (not in this order) that I grew up with are, also known as Astikaa schools are:
Samkhay
Yoga: …
Nyaya: …
Vaisheshika: …
Purva Mimamsa: …
Vedanta:
Samkhya is the oldest of the orthodox philosophical systems, and it postulates that everything in reality stems from purusha and prakriti..
Yoga stems from Samkhya philosophy…but it got separated into a distinct philosophy among key Hindu philosophies, and when Samkhya philosophy disappeared Yoga remained by absorbing a lot of Samkhya philosophy.
The Nastikas philosophies are:
Four other nāstika schools don’t draw upon the Vedas as authoritative texts, and develop their own traditions of thought. The nāstikaa schools of Indian philosophies are:
Cārvāka, a materialism school that accepted free will exists
Ājīvika, a materialism school that denied free will exists
Buddhism, based on the teachings and enlightenment of Siddhartha Gautama
Jainism, based on the belief in ahimsa or non-violence towards all living beings
Each school of Hindu philosophy has extensive epistemological literature called Pramana-sastras.
What is the point of this?
Perhaps, you missed that I studied Indian Philosophy in India?
In any discussion, what a person grew up with is irrelevant.
Oh…may I know where you studied Indian Philosophy? And how is philosophy that is learnt, while growing up or through formal education, irrelevant? Who do you make relevant…all Western philosophies that are well published and well marketed?
Are you aware in many colonized countries, that have been colonized as long as India has, lot of history remains as “oral, within families, in the domestic sphere, through few learned people who are strict and orthodox and did not allow their customs or rituals to be contaminated, and those who are in remote places, or isolated from invasions, occupations, exploitations and colonialism, Sometimes only selective knowledge gets retained (through oral history), but those who can read and write will keep their texts and treat it with utmost respect. Unfortunately very little gets developed…because invasions, occupations and colonialism destroys cultures and removes it from history time line or heritage continuity.
Lot of research no doubt has to be done. But I find it strange that you deal with your own history with contempt and total disdain. Why are you on this website, may I ask? Just to irritate, or do you come with some ulterior or hidden agenda?
Blah! Blah! Blah! What you said originally about the 6 schools, etc is accurate but you cannot use personal experience as the basis for making a general point.
“…I am not familiar with Shahid Siddiqui’s work but I have a hunch that he may have claimed ‘Terrorism has no religion.’…” – Ah yes, he did it on one of the debates’ on Arnab’s “Noisehour”. There were a few more who chipped in.
Good piece though! Although, on a different note, I’m not quite sure why government is being apologetic and removing ‘Surya Namaskar’ from the process, when the Muslim board has clearly specified that Muslim kids won’t participate.
SN missing is like “have you stopped beating your wife type question”. SN was not part of the common Yoga protocal designed by Morarji Desai Institute of Yoga. A 22 min video is available for beginners.
SN was a controversey generated when schools in some states particpated in SN marathon during ratha sapthami- febtruary. Media is trying to generate controversy by suggesting that it is missing this time
That was not my point. I merely indicated that this was originally a part of the process to be adopted for schools but later dropped since Muslim board protested. Media hasn’t made up the news out of thin air.
I guess the fear is not from muslims, but from seculars, the kind who keep saying yoga has no religion and terrorism has no religion.
Agree. It’s the hidden enemy that causes much damage.
Thank you for the article. This problem of denying Yoga’s history, culture, tradition and philosophy by some people in the West or by some Western societies has been recognized for awhile..
Again and again…kindly find another word besides religion. Hinduism is not a religion…and thank goodness for that. Yoga has a Hindu philosophical, scientific, intellectual and cultural origin and tradition. Abrahamic faiths have religion….with strict clear dogmas with one God or Prophet, one sacred text and a hierarchy of institutions that control their subjects or flocks.
When did Yoga become a “he”?
The author means well. but again the circular writing takes it away from the punch line.
And the punch para is simple, “Listen folks…Yoga originated in the Indian subcontinent and is connected to people, places, experiments, customs, knowledge and philosophy known as Hindu or Hinduism to the West and the world. But the real native name is Santana Dharma. Anybody who does not recognize Yoga’s origin, birth and its primary creators or developers is an idiot. It is like saying Einstein, with his student Leo Szilard, did not invent an absorption refrigerator which has no moving parts and requires only a heat source to operate. It was U.S. Patent 1,781,541. If we can recognize individual inventions, discoveries and creations…we should be able to recognize the theory, the people, the creators, the culture of an entire system of integrated health practices knowns as Yoga. And its first, early and primary creators, inventors, discoverers and developers are Hindus, or people from Santana Dharma philosophy. Full stop..”
And we can end this punch para with a punch line, “If one does not know this history, philosophy and truth about Yoga….then one is an idiot”.
“Dr” MS,
You ask “When did Yoga become a “he”?”
I am happy to answer but I am somewhat puzzled that you need to know precisely when my friend Yoga became a male. Truthfully, I don’t know. But I can give you a general answer. I suppose Yoga became a male at some stage of the fertilization process that usually occurs in the mammalian life-cycle.
Thanks to you, I looked it up on the Web. Here are the main points that refer to “Sex Determination in Humans”
• Chromosomal sex is determined at
fertilization
• Sexual differences begin in the 7th week
• Sex is influenced by genetic and
environmental factors
• Females (generally XX) do not have a Y
chromosome
• Males (generally XY) have a Y
chromosome
Sex Differentiation
• In early embryo there are two internal
duct systems
– Wolffian (male)
– Müllerian (female)
• At 7 weeks, developmental pathways
activate different sets of genes
• Cause undifferentiated gonads to develop
as testes or ovaries
• Determine the gonadal sex of embryo
REFERENCE: http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/classes/heredity/Lecture%20Powerpoints/chapter7-2.pdf
You can stop your sarcasm. You should have used a different communication style to “refer to your male friend as Yoga” versus “describing Yoga” itself. The article was so convoluted that I just bypassed it the first time, but clenched my teeth and went through it, line by line, the second time. You are raising points that have been raised many times before,
Your article provides a defensive explanation rather than a persuasive example. Some would say, “It also offers no suggestion or recommendation for policy interventions to stop ‘violation of intellectual property rights’. Yoga belongs to Hindus and Hindu India. Full stop. We need legal system to protect this intellectual property right”.
Whether you agree with what that person said or not, you can stop with the sarcasm and start writing better.
Did you or did you not ask “When did Yoga become a ‘he’?
You did ask, and I answered precisely. Attempting to sidetrack the question you ask, you reveal that you did either did not read or if you did read, you did not comprehend what I wrote.
You asked, I answered. What is the problem?
So your entire Yoga premise is your friend the he…with a name Yoga?
I full comprehended it.
Kindly write better.
Kindly comprehend that suggestion.
Good luck,
Now I have to go give a lecture on declining standards in higher education…I shall certainly use some articles from this weblog, including yours, to show circular reasoning, also known as circular logic…which is a logical fallacy. You cannot use deductive and inductive arguments, and commit logical fallacy on deductive arguments and somehow extrapolate that to inductive arguments that do not even follow the same reasoning of deductive arguments.
Do you see your fallacy…or like a quota boy (and I am talking about privileged manhood here) do you only know how to get defensive, argue, attack and play dirty politics?
This will be my last comment on this thread.
Good luck…
Hopefully this will be your last comment on ANY thread. When are you heading back to USA and educate the unwashed mass there?
There is a lot of uneducated unwashed minds in India, and educated third rates in India too. It helps to have a little self awareness and social awareness. Too many Hindus spend their time criticizing other Hindus while outside their narrow world they are impotent, inadequate and totally useless. Damaged Y Chromosomes cannot do much but pontificate, preach and pursue those whom they are jealous of or are envious of (a petty quality of the colonized Hindu male minds).
Feminism is Hindu…but for third rates, damaged by centuries of culture that they mistake for Hinduism, such things must not exist.
Why do I feel ashamed of people on these websites…for they seem to be so damaged and need centuries of mental health services.
See the name, skip the post. Debate is wasted on trolls.
None of us really knows if you are man or woman whether you are using a fictitious name and a fictional biography just to make some noise. You have just anout told every author on this site that we need to write better, you shake with embarrassment, you are livid with rage, you are crawling in shame, you are writhing in pain, cringing in distaste. Why dont you pen just one article and educate us all in writing? That would be putting the pen where your mouth is. And pl let not the response to this advice be I am fat.
Did you just ask the troll to pen an article? Please don’t, it might take you up on your suggestion.
Oh I am dead serious. This person has told us all the colour of her ex-husband’s skin, where ‘she’ lived, where ‘she ‘ is living now, even the suburb in Chennai, that it has a mother, sisters etc etc, as if the world is waiting with bated breath to know the personal and private details of this person. But if this person really is genuine and has a doctorate, let the person give us details of her work – which college, which university, where did she study, where is she teaching now, what exactly she teaches, her papers published, books written. If the name is genuine and the family details which no one wants to know, let her be as generous about giving us details of her work, work place. And let her write one cogent, intelliigent, analytical piece on any subject except rocket science. This is an offer I make. Let he her it take it up.
Good luck. I’ll be skipping over whatever garbage it writes either way.
Satire and satirical humour can be created and understood only by few. So dont trouble yourself Shri De.
When I read the “he” part of your article…..I was expecting the usual ‘western feminists’ & ‘distortionists’ to raise muck on you….Here we go…
You do me injustice. I loved the satire. And that really was a riveting beginning to the article.
You are neither western feminist nor distortionist – how is it injustice to you?
The gender of the word in Sanskrit is पुल्लिन्ग। I agree with your point completely, the semantics of the word “religion” is defined by the Semitic faiths.
I wish it were kept as its intranslatable form as “Dharma”.
Patriarchy is older than Methuselah. As old as Sanatana.. Yoga became a “he” long before they named that city Manchester. If the men who named it were non-sexist, they’d have called it Humanchester. The same patriarchal system gave the history-books the Ottoman, rather than Ottoperson Empire.
I guess Abrahamic religions must be very non sexist for you? No…patriarchy is not as old as Santana Dharma. Santana Dharma’s several philosophies do not make any mention of gender at all. You say these things because It comes from your inferiority complex, or some hidden agenda where you pretend to be a HIn, and take information from these websites, and then use it for your spying game or conversion programs.
Am I correct Mr. Contrarian?
I guess there is Sarchasm – chasm between my intended meaning and your not getting it.
You hit the nail the head, Atanu-da! Hope all read it, especially the smart-ass folks who came up with the oxymoronic metaphor comparing Hindu Yoga with “Christian-Newtonian” gravity….