Abrahamic ideology inspires extraterritorial loyalty
The Mongol empire founded by Chingiz Khan and furthered by his sons and grandsons was remarkable in practicing religious freedom as a state policy. The early Khans did not enforce their ancestral Altaic religion of Tengriism on their subjects and allowed them to follow their own religions towards which they maintained a curious but largely non-interfering disposition.
Indeed, when asked by Christian missionaries from Europe to convert, Möngke Khan, the grandson of Chingiz Khan, at the pinnacle of Mongol power, told them that the Mongols held that there were several valid paths to heaven even as the five fingers of the hand are all not the same. This policy of the Mongol Khanate was the same as what is peculiarly termed as true “secularism” in the modern Indian state. Many Hindus are of the view that this is indeed to solution to India’s religious fissures and the ideal policy for a state. However, history teaches us that Islam was successful in destroying the religiously tolerant system established by the Mongols and establishing itself as the exclusive religion of many of the successor Mongols states.

Chingiz Khan
With that in place many of these states became Jihad states which waged war for the establishment of Islam, for example the Timurid state, which gave rise to the Mogul empire in India. Thus, in the match between “secularism” (as desired by many Hindus) and Islam, the verdict clearly favored the latter. Moreover, despite repeated overtures of the Mongols to the Christian Europeans form a common front against their Islamic enemies, such an alliance never fructified. The cause for this is largely attributable to Christianity coming in the way of a meaningful alliance with heathens.
By and large, Hindu rulers, even when they had their own strong personal religious preferences, followed something similar to the practice of the heathen Mongol Khans. In the early historical period, this applied both to indigenous religions with divergent views from the āstika core, such as the systems founded by the Tāthāgata, Maskarin Gośāla and Vardhamāna, as well as foreign religions brought by culturally and linguistically related peoples like the Greeks and Iranians.
Notably, the early Greek and Iranic immigrants were entirely integrated into the larger Hindu system, while contributing some elements to it (e.g. horoscopic astrology). Thus, they were assimilated (of course one can still detect some genomic signals of their origins) with only a few distinct cultural traces remaining behind (e.g. the śākadvīpin brāhmaṇa-s). Hindu rulers also extended similar freedoms to the Abrahamic religions that reached India at different points in history. While some followers of these religions might have outwardly acquired Hindu paraphernalia, we argue that their case is rather unlike that of the earlier heathen immigrants.
To get a picture of this, we may start with the case of the southern Indian province of Cerapāda (roughly modern Kerala). In 1502-1503 CE the Portuguese marauder Vasco da Gama was visited by Kerala Syrian Christians from Kodungallur. These Christians had been living there for centuries, having been given shelter by the Cera rulers. They imitated many Hindu practices such as pūjā and the infantile rite of annaprāśna. When they met Gama, they offered him a red wooden staff with silver ends and three silver bells on it as a ceremonial indication of their accepting the overlordship of the Portuguese king Manuel. They proposed an alliance with the Portuguese marauders on the basis of their shared faith against the Hindus under whose refuge they had so greatly prospered.
Further, four Syriac bishops Mar Jaballaha, Mar Denha, Mar Jacob and Mar Thomas wrote a letter to the Portuguese calling them their brethren, expressing their wish to bring spices to them, and seeking the support of the “King of the Christians” against the pagans. Ironically, the first Syriac Christians to reach India were fleeing the Zoroastrian Sassanian emperors, who clamped down on them for aiding their enemy, the Christian Byzantine Empire, from within. After being provided refuge by the Hindu rulers for long, they now turned against them, even as they had done earlier against the Iranians. This happened right after their first ever contact with the alien Portuguese, who ironically were to eventually declare their own church as being full of heresies.

Vasco Da Gama
Moving forward a few centuries, in 1766 Nawab Haidar Ali, the Mohammedan warlord from Karnataka, made an incursion into the Malabar region of Kerala. Here, he was joined by a force of about 10,000-strong armed Moplahs. These Moplahs as their name indicates (from māppilai: son-in-law) were Mohammedans of mixed descent from Arabs and coastal folk from Kerala. They had been provided shelter by the Sāmūtiri for centuries. Thus, they had thrived as a community, achieving a high degree of mercantile success under benign Hindu lords, and had even been appointed to high commissions in Sāmūtiri armed forces. However, at the arrival of an invading Mohammedan, they turned against their neighbors, joining arms with their coreligionists to commit terrible atrocities against them. It did not end with that—the Moplahs continued the war against their neighbors all the way until they established the Caliphate in Eranad and Walluvanad under Mohammad Haji as part of the rebellion to revive the dead Osman Empire of Turkey (1919-1924 CE).
For the next exhibit from Cerapāda we shall move even closer to our times. The shrine atop the Śabari hillock houses the image of the god Ārya, who is rather popular in Southern India. In 1950 CE this ancient shrine was broken into and set on fire. The investigation by the team of Kesava Menon, the Inspector-general, CID revealed that this act of arson was the deliberate handiwork of Kerala Christians, some of whom ran a poaching ring in the forests around the shrine. This is what the Hindus got in return for their peaceful coexistence – indeed the very epitome of what is today called “secularism” in India.
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The case of Cerapāda is important because it is one place where both the Christians and Mohammedans initially came as refugees or peaceful immigrants and had coexisted with their Hindu hosts for a long time. Yet none of this mattered much when they indulged in violence against their hosts inspired by their religions.
Not surprisingly, similar events have repeatedly played out all over India. For example, one could cite the critical betrayal of the Vijayanagara army by two large Mohammedan divisions at the ill-fated battle-ground of Talikota. In the early 1800s, during the Anglo-Maraṭhā wars, the intelligence leaks and unreliability of European mercenaries against their coreligionists, the English, were major factors in the loss of the Maraṭhā-s. In both these cases the Hindus acted keeping with the tradition of “secularism”, hiring only by merit and not based on religious considerations. However, the religion of their mercenary hires played a major role in precipitating their ultimate actions contrary to the interests of their employers. In contrast, one might note that the Mongols who joined the Rājpūt ranks during the life-and-death struggle between the Chāhamāna-s and Alla-ad-din Khalji were faithful to their employers despite many attempts by the Mohammedans to entice them to their side with promises of high office with the Islamic system.
A person with a secular bent of mind might post a retort saying that we are being selective and point to a list of examples such as Āmbhi of Takṣaśila, Jayacandra, certain Reḍḍi-s, Śilāditya or Sūryājī Pisaḻ. We argue that these are acts of individuals and very much unlike the religiously approved betrayals of trust by the Mohammedans or Christians employed by religiously tolerant heathens.
To understand this better, one must get to the pith of what is termed the principle of Mosaic distinction (vide Jan Assmann) which sets apart the Abrahamisms from the natural religions of the heathens. To quote from Assmann’s work on the topic, The Price of Monotheism:
Before this shift [i.e. origin of monotheism and the Mosaic distinction] there were only tribal and “polytheistic” cult and national religions, which had evolved over time; afterwards, new religions emerged to rival and increasingly supplant these historically evolved religions, several of which still survive in various cultures today. These new religions are all monotheisms, religions of the book (or revealed religions), and world religions… What all of these religions have in common is an emphatic concept of truth. They all rest on a distinction between true and false religion, proclaiming a truth that does not stand in a complementary relationship to other truths, but consigns all traditional or rival truths to the realm of falsehood. This exclusive truth is something genuinely new, and its novel, exclusive and exclusionary character is clearly reflected in the manner in which it is communicated and codified. It claims to have been revealed to humankind once and for all, since no path of merely human fashioning could have led from the experiences accumulated over countless generations to this goal; and it has been deposited in a canon of sacred texts, since no cult or rite would have been capable of preserving this revealed truth down the ages. From the world-disclosing force of this truth, the new or secondary religions draw the antagonistic energy that allows them to recognize and condemn falsehood, and to expound the truth in a normative edifice of guidelines, dogmas, behavioral precepts, and salvational doctrines. The truth derives its depth, its clear contours, and its capacity to orient and direct action from this antagonistic energy, and from the sure knowledge of what is incompatible with the truth. These new religions can therefore perhaps be characterized most adequately by the term “counterreligion.” For these religions, and for these religions alone, the truth to be proclaimed comes with an enemy to be fought. Only they know of heretics and pagans, false doctrine, sects, superstition, idolatry, magic, ignorance, unbelief, heresy, and whatever other terms have been coined to designate what they denounce, persecute and proscribe as manifestations of untruth. [Underlining added]
The key point here is that with the Mosaic distinction, which defines the Abrahamic religions, there automatically emerges an enemy who needs to be battled. When the followers of such religions live in the midst of heathens (e.g. in Hindu India, the ancient Roman empire, the early Mongol empire, pre-modern China or late medieval Japan) this enemy becomes very visible to them in the form of the heathens who surround them in flesh and blood. No longer are these heathens a matter of mythic satire alluded to in their religious book. Thus, the potential to fight this enemy, which is inherent to their ideologies now openly manifests itself. This is especially the case whenever they sense gaining the upper hand as seen in the cases alluded to before.
In the past decade, the UPA government with its Italian leader used the Hindu fascination for what is called “secularism” in Indian usage to sneak in a wide range of individuals and provisions to favor the cult of Jesus and Mohammedanism.
Even before this, the fascination for secularism under the earlier Congress and NDA governments had led to some such appointments. This included people in positions of power and influence, such as the chief of the Indian Navy, a high-ranked police officer, a chairperson of the Censor Board (all three Christians), a chief justice of India (a Mohammedan) and other judges (Christians). With the coming to power of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, two of these have made statements claiming persecution of Christians by Hindus in India – the martyrdom narrative is an inherent feature of Jan Assmann’s “counterreligions” evolving with the emergence of the Mosaic distinction. These statements have clearly been made in response to incitement by the West, which has always used Indian Christians as an extension of their power to force decisions in India.
In light of the evidence from history as well as recent times (e.g. the West-backed Christian role in protests against a nuclear power plant in Kudankulam, Tamil Nadu), and the ideological foundations of Mohammedanism and the Jesus cult which derive from the Mosaic distinction, appointments of followers of these religions can prove detrimental to the Indian state. In particular, appointments to the judiciary have the potential of being doubly pernicious in their effect. The renowned legal scholar Werner Menski states in Comparative Law in Global Context:
Hindu legal concepts are inherently inimical to strictly monotheistic revelation-based legal regulation or Austinian positivism. Current fears that a resurgence of Hinduness would lead to dramatic legal changes are therefore quite baseless, even frivolous. Some academics seem to have become masters at playing with such confusions for the sake of academic profiling, without checking their understanding of Hindu law.
Such dramatic positioning on many stages shows that Hindu law is still being challenged, and is on the defensive today, over specific issues and as a legal system in its own right. To many Hindus, however, their concepts of truth seem so universal that they are unchallengeable. All others are happily invited to state their own positions within this universalising Hindu ambit, one aspect of the well-known Hindu ‘tolerance’ towards other traditions. Thus, as long as Christians and Muslims are prepared to accept that their respective Gods are but one of many, and respect the Hindu method of postponing final judgment on Truth into limitless eternity, co-existence and toleration can be practised. But if non-Hindus seek to ridicule Hinduism and its underlying values, insisting that they alone are right, then defence mechanisms can be triggered off and there may be violence.
Thus, the appointments of Mohammedans or worshipers of Jesus as judges would not just be a weak link in system but would also threaten the very fabric of law of India by unthinkingly forcing fundamentally incompatible legal positions on the underlying Hindu system. This can take India closer to violent upheavals.
In conclusion, going entirely against “secular” positions, Hindus should limit the role of monotheists in their political, legal and administrative apparatus. Failure to do so will only help the West use the Christians as a potent force to tie down India and help Mohammedans control even larger chunks with of territory in Jambdudvīpa. Finally, it should be borne in mind that the demographic projections suggest that the issue is only likely to worsen rather than improve going forward.
Further reading:
- The Career and Legend of Vasco Da Gama by Sanjay Subrahmanyam
- Malabar and the Portuguese by KM Pannikar
- Recruiting, Drafting, and Enlisting: Two Sides of the Raising of Military Forces By Peter Karsten
- The Price of Monotheism by Jan Assmann
- Comparative Law in Global Context by Werner Menski
- https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/some-notes-on-rashid-ad-din-bin-imad-ud-dawla-abul-khair-and-his-times/
- https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/yuddha-vyuha-s-mlechcha-s-and-vanija-niti-in-the-last-hindu-empire/
- https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/sveta-tvaca-raks-asa-s-portuguese-in-malabar-religious-intolerance-and-treachery-of-syrian-christians/
- http://www.firstministry.kerala.gov.in/pdf/bills/Reports/tmple_arsn.pdf
- https://storify.com/blog_supplement/arya-or-shastr-i







AMAZING!! The discussion in the comments column (now a days, in every news column…) seems to be more to satisfy personal ideological thirst or agenda (not to forget, the magnificent gift of modernity–Arrogance and Ignorance), rather than arguing intellectually regarding the relevant topic of the article!! RIP to INTELLIGENCE!!!
Anyways, a perceptive and important article, Thanks to the author.
I just recall a small incident–
Recently,I met a small boy(may be of age 8–a christian), after a fine conservation, started saying “You know–my Jesus is greater than your Ram?!”.
I was shocked,Humble Jesus would have never anticipated it.Why did this little kid, who like many of us can never understand the concept of God, said it? This is purely because of missionaries–who are not spreading faith, but hatred.
It is the job of we patriotic Indians, to resist such divisive ideologies; at least, initially by arguments.
In my place(Bengaluru), I can already notice an increasing presence of them…..
Need of this hour is to sensitise more n more Hindus to read n write on such subjects and try to use their wit unlike these Abrahamic brutes. This is the only way to secure Hindus’ future. Support Modi and protect him from these predating Abrahamics and he will guard and get you what you want. It will take time but surely victory shall be at ur feet.
Must read
A perspective from the Abrahamic religions – Part 1
https://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2015/03/12/who-am-i-a-perspective-from-the-abrahamic-religions-part-1/
A perspective from the Abrahamic religions – Part 2
https://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2015/03/14/who-am-i-a-perspective-from-the-abrahamic-religions-part-2/
A perspective from the Abrahamic religions – Part 3
https://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/who-am-i-a-perspective-from-the-abrahamic-religions-part-3/
A perspective from the Abrahamic religions – Part 4
https://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/who-am-i-a-perspective-from-the-abrahamic-religions-part-4/
A perspective from the Abrahamic religions – Part 5
https://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/who-am-i-a-perspective-from-the-abrahamic-religions-part-5/
Ghenghiz Khan practiced religious freedom as state policy. This is remarkable and as remarkable as Jayalalithaa’s description of Haidar Ali and Tipu Sultan as freedom fighters deserving of a state funded memorial in Dindukkal in Tamil Nadu. Hindus as revisionist historians of arch jihadis; that’s a new one.
Ghenghiz Khan was a mongol pagan who prayed to a god called tengri; Hardly a Jihadi by any stretch of imagination. It will do a world of good to Yindoo warriors to read up history properly before venturing out to make very strong snarks based on even more loud ignorance. You, madam, are advised to cease assuming every Khan is a Muslim!
The reference was to Haidar Ali and Tipu Sultan. We speak of Ghenghiz Khan and Timur the Lame in the same breath too. For the brutality of their conquests and how they decimated, massacred the local population. The Mongol Empire which was the largest empire in history, and unlike the British empire was the largest empire of contiguous territory, wasnt built on ahimsa. So speaking of religious freedom after this bloody empire building seemed an irony. Pl read my comment in this context. And why this hostility and personal attack?
Right from the dawn of civilization terrible examples have been made of enemy cities and states,even in Bharata(peninsular india has some examples,though not very common).Compared to how abrahamists ruined and depopulated entire regions,the few cities that the mongols cleared out dont count.In fact,some historians estimate that the mongol empire killed far less people to make an empire of its size than any other,and the terror inspired many cities to just surrender rather than slug it out. Mongols never reneged on their promises made to cities that surrendered(proving their motives to be political),which were spared unlike abrahamists whose goal was to impose their religion on heathens.
To accuse it of being bloody misses critical features of the mongol empires’ open mindedness, and sense of fairplay that so many ethnicities lived in it and prospered,with genuine exchanges between cultures that led to the formation of the modern world,which would not have been possible had the ruling authority been of a fanatical disposition,and framed policies accordingly.Indeed the routes between the east and west had been blocked by the muslim rulers (who impeded the actions of all except their own traders and armies and placed severe restrictions on non muslims) were opened up by the mongols’ own needs of communication. and trade.
Timur was of mongol-turkic extraction and took massacring to new heights,but hindus were not the only sufferers.His actions in central asia were equally horrendous and reshaped the ecology and geography of those lands.But there is no doubt of his military and strategic genius and high intelligence,which was used in furthering islam at great cost to Hindus and others.We need to study his methods and find counters instead of just gaping and accusing a dead man of barbarism and then gloating at our supposed civility or moral superiority.
“We need to study his methods and find counters instead of just gaping and accusing a dead man of barbarism and then gloating at our supposed civility or moral superiority.”
True, but in consonance to your advice, Hindus shall need to become as brutal, if not more, to match or surpass his crimes. are you prepared to accept these?
first survive;then worry about civility,nobility etc which can be recovered.if we survive,we can recover our nobility;but if abrahamists win then there is no chance of “goodness” existing as can be seen in their brutal societies
T suggest, kindly reread my post. Thank you.
“The Mongol empire founded by Chingiz Khan and furthered by his sons and grandsons was remarkable in practicing religious freedom as a state policy. The early Khans did not enforce their ancestral Altaic religion of Tengriism on their subjects and allowed them to follow their own religions towards which they maintained a curious but largely non-interfering disposition”
Is the author crazy?
It appears to me, IndiaFacts, like so many media in India these days slowly begins to only “pretend” independence within a few years or few issues. It starts out sensible and then it goes into the direction of revisionism without facts or reliable data.
Is it not possible for two parties to be wrong? Chingiz Khan was a terror. Why elevate him to prove a point on some Missionary misconduct. Just because 2 plus 2 is not 6, it does not automatically become 5.
Strange arguments from the author. I despise revisionism without research, truth or facts, and any argument that attempts to prop up old terrors as “not so bad” to confront new terrors.
This is like the old feminist joke, “The Atheist demanded gratitude from his wife because he only ignored her, but did not verbally abuse her like the Hindu next door. The HIndu man demanded devotion from his wife because unlike the Christian man next door he only verbally abused his wife but did not physically hit her. The Christian man demanded obedience from his wife because he only hit her in private…never stoned her in public like the Muslim next door. The Muslim man demanded total awe and subservience from his wife for being kind enough to only stone her and not behead her”.
Revisionists who prop up one religious idiot for another religious idiot…are idiots.
You are an utter imbecile.
Anyone with basic familiarity with the Mongol empire knows that religious tolerance was a well established policy of theirs, so its not the author that’s stupid but you who went off on a tangent because the author merely stated a well established fact.
You have a “Phd and 3 other degrees” you say lol.
I am well read. You are the idiot. You could not understand what I was saying. “He was ruthless” and “he launched many military campaigns”, but he was tolerant to religions within limits…as long as they worked for him, his expansionism and his authority. So, his tolerance to religions does not rule out his ruthlessness. Praising him sky high is probably not a good idea. He is credited with creating the Silk road and he is revered among some groups. But he was ruthless. In some places population declined by 50% because of his slaughtering. But many of the groups he fought against were equally and more ruthless. In fact some of the nomadic groups he met in Central Asia and Middle East he found to be brutal. He even admitted that he learnt torture methods from them. That was then. One US officer involved in torture said that he learnt some of his methods in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. This is now. Do you get?
You are so well read that like a halfwit you went off on an unrelated tangent to the author’s point which was how secularism fares vs Islam (using the Mongol Khanates as an example).
I wonder what your Phd is in, being a pompous gasbag?
out of Bharathakhanda, subjects were treated inhumanly and were either made to adopt their faith or were killed. Even in India during the medieval era and British era only Hindus, the natives were thus treated badly not the aliens and their subjects. Hence no question of Ghenghis Khan being a secularist. Only reason in our land Dharma was the guiding light permeating every phyche of people of all status i.e. poor, rich, learned, illiterate etc.
What are you babbling about you moron?
Patelji actually Galactic Overlord is making a lot of sense. He says outside of Bharata’s national borders, that is except for Hindus in whom dharma was ingrained in some form or the other, even non-Abrahamic conquerors did not treat their victims well. And the British government treated only Hindus with viciousness precisely because the idea of dharma ingrained in every Hindu was frightening to them. Non-Hindus simply cannot fathom the depth and reach of dharma.
u piece of shit who the hell r u to judge me ????
If you make irrelevant comments which make no sense, you will be judged. You replied to me first in case you forgot you illiterate imbecile.
Now go learn some basic history and what terms like secularism mean.
With low IQ retards like you filling Hindu circles, no wonder we never get anywhere.
why dont u shut the hell up? SCUMBAG ,you started it by commenting on my post, so u better shut ur hole loser
Go back and look at who replied first, you or me or are you too stupid to even look at the screen and figure that out?
Galactic Overlord Shatruntapa Patel • 7 days ago
7 days ago you replied to my comment with some gibberish.
Now go throw your tantrum elsewhere, by capitalizing words you are not scaring anyone you moron.
no one asked for ur opinion u piece of trash
Are you so insecure Mr. Patel you spend all your time writing insults to women, especially on their education? You bring shame to Hinduism. Men like you should convert and spare us your insecurity, complete lack of civility and maturity. How sad Hindus have to deal with such crude, uncultured and uncivil men. Lot of educated smart women would either not write on these forums because of the likes of you, or they would convert. And then we would end up with not so intelligent communicators like you. That may be the problem we face now. Qualitative research of the comments reveals insights into how unsucessful some people are in communicating their point, or why conversions would be attractive to people who like civility, politeness and respect (without losing objectivity or confidence or assertiveness). Good luck Mr. Patel…kindly improve your writing etiquette.
Pompous gasbags like you don’t deserve civility but only ridicule and contempt. Low quality types like you who have contributed 0 to Dharma try to show off against an author who knows far more than you ever will in a 100 lifetimes despite your worthless degrees. Its not me but you who went off on a tangent to the topic and started your comment with “Is the author crazy?”
It is ass wipes like you who should convert and do us a favor, or better yet, go jump off a cliff clutching your degrees and relieve the burden of the planet a little bit.
What is wrong with you Patel? Are you mentally sick, that you actually degrade a woman by calling her garbage and words like that? What is wrong with you? What has happened in your life to make a man hate a Hindu woman so much…that he becomes, behind the computer, a thug, an uncivilized brute, cruel and abusive beyond words. I am convinced that Patel might not be your name. I shall not write anymore. I am convinced that men like are dangerously anti-nationalist who will rape their own women but slavishly compliment Anglo men and women. I have met the likes of you with my Anglo husband …when he used to speak a few words in Hindi or Tamil (that I taught him) which will receive accolades…but their own confident women, who are not cooking or cleaning for the Indian man, or boosting their petty ego or marrying them, they will flog. Thank goodness I married out…and may you never rise to power. India will suffer because of it. You are a disgusting man. Get counseling. And there are millions like you with pen, computers and English language in India. That is what is worrisome. Who the hell do you work for…that you insult your own women, who never wrote to you personally, but to the author? What is wrong with you? You need serious help.
Hilarious coming from a woman who married some gora and babbling about other peoples inferiority complex. Yes I am glad too, we don’t need your worthless kind.
And this has nothing to do with you being a woman, how the hell would I know what you are. In fact I assumed you were a man (as indicated by your DP outline).
You seem to have some mental problems, go sort it out instead of posting your personal life anecdores (“ooh I am glad I married an Anglo”, “ooh I have 3 degrees and a Phd”). No one cares, either stick to the topic and contribute something useful in the comments or shut your mouth, that applies to everyone man or woman.
Marrying the likes of you would have been an achievement? The fact that you bring it up, not me, shows your deep seated inferiority complex. Why do you hate others so much? I have not seen you say one good word about anyone…except for those you agree with 100%. And mind you everything you write is going into psychoanalysis. If you don’t care so much..then why comment on it? Why follow me around on the net if some obsession does not exist? I was followed and obsessed by men like you…and I had to call the police. I know the type…which is why you are a great fodder for psychoanalysis. Anyway I do not want to get to your ghetto level or some repressed lonely-ugly-male-seeking women to bash type. I’ll leave that to your likes. I’ll say it again…men like you give India, Indians and Hindus a bad name. I received five letters from educated intelligent women telling me to get out of these forums as these places, the women claim after reading your letters, are for reactionary men with deep seated hatred of women: due to rejection or repressed homosexuality.
This is the opinion of educated Indian women in India after reading your letters. What do you have to say about these women? Please write as much as you like.
You received 5 letters did you? lol
Must be from similar worthless garbage like you with low self esteem issues or may be you wrote them to yourself.
The only one’s who followed you must have been imaginary. You seem to be off your meds.
There is actually something extremely wrong with you, not anyone else. You remind me of this pompous gasbag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgUq_Wdc898
No one gives a rat’s ass about your Phd or your degrees, and from the looks of it, they don’t seem to have conferred any kind of sense to you. Now go suck some pink dicks and boast about your degrees somewhere else, you stupid whore.
With names like Bazubumba you’d be sane? How juvenile can you be? What are you: eleven going on in a thirty-five year old man’s body? I notice that you have placed a black featured woman with blonde hair. Do you hate black women? Are you that racist…though you probably ran after Brahmin women or White women or Anglo women or fair-bride wanted? I am sending this to some Black, Anglo and Brown women friends of mine. They have to see how some Indian men respond to Indian women in India and these weblogs. Then you get upset about all the coverage Delhi violence gets.These kinds of net violence and insults are part of the continuum. For some women it feels like Pakistan. If you write once more using your foul awful language…I shall call the police and I am suing your magazine for harassment of women. . You would never do this to a woman in the US or with non-Indians…but you would say such awful things to an Indian woman you don’t even know. What does that say about your upbringing? I have collected all your writings, and it will be used in a class on “gender and sexism in modern India”…on and through.technology included.
lmao, net violence. What next, are you going to go to counseling sessions for PTSD? Go eat a dick you dumb whore. Yes, use it for the class. I’ll take this opportunity to let all the softcocks in your shitty class know what chumps they are for wasting money on useless shit, and supporting oxygen thieves like you.
I am happy if I am wrong in considering that your opinions are biased.Thanks.
At least thanks for being civil. You are welcome to disagree with me or even argue with me…but to call women “garbage” and use words like that are horrific. It can only come from deep seated hatred of women. It is disgusting what passes for discourse on these weblogs. How many women do you see writing? That is shameful.
At least based on your comments here, there is absolutely no evidence that you are as well read as you claim. Nobody is stating that “ruthlessness” or “cruelty” is a monopoly of abrahamic monotheism. It is not even the point of this article. Chingiz Khan was ruthless when it came to expanding his empire. So? Rome destroyed every trace of Carthage. So? The primary motivation behind these conquests had nothing to with religion of either side. When Rome subjugated Egypt they built shrines honoring the local gods. The point is the role of religion in the administration of the rulers and the behavior of the subjects. Whether secular states can keep aggressive monotheism in check. If you are indeed a “Dr” this should not be too hard to comprehend.
Madhavji Hindu tradition of war defines three kinds of victors – dharmavijayi, lobhavijayi and asuravijayi. Without getting into too many details here because the definitions are self-explicit, pre-Christian Rome and Greece rebuilt the temples destroyed by warring kings. I make reference to this in my article “European. American Museums – Fortified Havens for Plunder”. Ghenghis Khan is the best example of a non-Abrahamic predator. He was certainly not a dharmavijayi; his conquests and he as victor can only be defined as asuravijayi. Srikrishna exhorted Arjuna to be steadfast in eliminating the enemy. But this ‘ruthlessness’ was still driven by dharmas – as objective and as methods of war. The Pandavas, Srirama did not kill women, children, the aged, the infirm or civilian populace. Our ithihasas are historical narratives of kings because ultimately – the personal character of the king determined the face and character of the rashtra and rajya. We already have the Hindu ideal in rajadharma and have nothing to learn from Genghis Khan, Timor, Tipu or Haidar. Srikrishna’s education of Arjuna will suffice Hindus to deal with enemies of Hinduism.
The rules of war changed with the advent of monotheism as you yourself mentioned. Hindus if they follow their age old practice of not targeting non-combatants WILL NOT be able to subdue monotheists. For starters, Hindus should start dealing with Hindus solely. Should Hindus worry that Christian children will go hungry? I don’t think so. http://www.ccciindia.org/ Christians already are promoting their own.
And that religion had nothing to do with wars was true only until the advent of the Abrahamic cults. Can non-proselytising, non-asuric societies keep the Abrahamics in check? Yes. A Hindu state can; ‘Hindu’ being the definitive word here, with Srikrishna’s clarioty of vision and determination to eliminate enemies.
Smt Radha Rajanji, I think there is a slight miscommunication here. It seems we are on the same side on this point. When I said that the author’s point was whether secular states can keep aggressive monotheism in check, I meant that I also agree with the author’s assessment that the answer is an emphatic NO. I agree completely that secular states do not have the mechanisms to deal with expansionist, aggressive cults aka monotheism. A Hindu state will definitely be more suited. As far as the mongols are concerned the central takeaway is not how they waged war but what role their religion played in state administration. The state under them was similar to what is now called a secular state and in spite of their “ruthlessness” they were devoured by Islam precisely because of this. This is the lesson we have to draw. I am not saying that their methods of waging war should be adopted by us.
You are not a visionary are you? If you argue the way you are then the very objectives that have to be achieved will be lost. Processes count, definition count, perception count and collective agreements count. If you wish that to change then you must start from a different premise…The author should have argued your point. Good luck.
“I am well read. You are the idiot.”
Such self-glorification is a sign arrogance and exhibition of lack of knowledge.
Bharat, this was in response to insults hurled by someone who cannot argue civilly, Read Patel’s comments. It was rude, impolite and discourteous. It seems when confronted by comments some men cannot challenge civilly they resort to insults and making fun of women’s education. Why don’t you teach your men manners…in stead of constantly preaching to your women about humility? This is why India and Hinduism never rises…the deep seated sexism and arrogance of its men, and the need to preach to and infantilize women, is what has weakened sensible debate, female intellectual participation, strengthening of issue and evolution of the mind. Good luck.
You are not well read. Mongols were pagan idol worshippers. Their empire never stretched into India. They killed Muslims en masse.
IN FRANCE
the majority religion imposes every decision on the Hindu Pondicherry and sri
lanka minority; they tell us not to build temples with BIG COLOURFUL GOPURAMS
forcing us to keep LORD SHIVA in a garage like temple in “SAVIGNY LE
TEMPLE” this French town has in its name itself the word
“temple” may be destined to welcome a LORD SHIVA temple! ; Often, people see no sign of a Hindu temple
externally but once they get inside we can build small gopurams and decorate
copiously but not outside forcing our expansion in a “closed vase”
(vase close in French ) etc all these rules and regulations only for Hinduism
not even to MOSQUES which is very strange ;
they also restrict our processions (except if you are a rich temple and
if you can pay the MAYOR a heavy sum to
keep him happy, that’s why the “vinyagar chaturti is well conducted in the
heart town of PARIS , a payment of a heavy sum ensures this ) ; they give money to people who visit churches
indirectly by funding ” gites communaux” sort of municipal lodges
welcoming freely the pilgrimage people ; they give money “subvention
” of 20000 euros or above to church
maintenance and pay the meals of the priest while nothing similar is given to
Hindu temples in “GARE DU NORD” OR elsewhere and every time you visit a town mayor hall,
nearby you will find a church why ? Is this separation of church and state? Is
THIS “laicité” or French secularism? When SARKOZY talked about France
as a chrisitan country, that made no one protest; they say school should be
“laique” how come the school history book speaks of bible? And how
come the same school gives more marks to those students who attend catechism
classes????
if FRANCE
can impose the “law of the majority” on HINDUS from INDIA (
pondichery , karaikal, mahé , yanom ) and SRI LANKA LIVING IN FRANCE , why
can’t India on an imported “European religion OVER INDIAN PEOPLE forcibly
converted to an alien religion while in FRANCE the Hindu minority has been
always Hindu and never been converted to it ? Please share the lamentable conditions in
which the Hindus are living in Europe so that Indians can counter them when
they tend to give us lessons on secularism.
http://indiafacts.co.in/india-is-not-the-vatican/
Mr. Canaga…you raise a very good point. It is interesting how well Muslims of France have fought for their mosques, burqas and even the right to cover their face while walking, attending school, college and driving. And how well they have succeeded in pushing the French government and parliament to accede to their demands. Yet, others find it hard to even build one colorful temple. Why? There are Tamilians who speak French living in Quebec and in France. Some are also people of Indian origin from St. Martinique and other French islands. Do they not have influence?
A very good read but what should be done and can be done?